The Despair Iceberg Explained | Dark Philosophy / Psychology

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Watch the uncut video here 🖤 ko-fi.com/theinternetinvestigator

[@Batnano]

not untill you start showing your face again

[@lolaf1er]

I don't know where I heard it but I once heard someone say "so what" to quite a few nihilistic theories about life, even if it's all a simulation, in vain etc. So what? It's the only life I'm aware of, I need to live it. And I'd much rather learn too late that my efforts (to survive, to help others etc.) were in vain than to find out too late nihilism was wrong and I didn't even try. That thought has really helped to combat a lot of despair when we talk about philosophy and theoretical thought.

[@mjtate7383]

Thank you

[@Lady_Phoenix]

Issac Arthur (futurism, space, Sci fi youtuber) said that about the Simulation Theory. It legit doesn't matter if it's actually a Simulation if it feels real to you and there's no way out anyway. How would you even know the difference?

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

I agree! I wouldn’t class myself a nihilist, but I don’t think there is a meaning to life. That doesn’t have to be a depressing thought though, it just means you can decide your own meaning, without feeling like you failed :) 🖤

[@rs-mt6kl]

I thought everyone realized this but i guess not, interesting

[@AleTitan]

18:56 me fr fr

[@theprinceofinadequatelighting]

If nihilism has got you down, just remember: if nothing matters, there's nothing to worry about.

[@eggbabe83]

why did this youtube comment change my life rn

[@brianstiles1701]

If nothing matters, then everything matters equally

[@amp4105]

​@@brianstiles1701everything can't matter or nothing is important

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

This is a good way to look at it! :) 🖤

[@darkstarr984]

@@eggbabe83Existentialism is a beautiful lens for looking at the world from.

[@darlingdoloresday]

I love that we start off the despair iceberg with Slyvia Plath lmao

[@smokingtakidust]

lol i thought the same thing

[@SecretAsian84]

Perfect opening

[@Lollero200q]

I love her quote about spelling mistakes and unaliving

[@Ironorchids]

ikr 😂

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

I’m not familiar with her so I might be missing something here 😅🖤

[@mikeleddyphoto]

My favorite pessimistic quote is: “Only the optimist commits s**c*de. The optimist who can no longer be optomistic. The others, having no reason to live, why should they have one to die?” - The Trouble With Being Born book Anyway, to any pessimist reading this, I encourage you to find and give your life meaning simply because you’re living it. Even if you didn’t ask to be, you are here, so you might as well make it worthwhile. And there really is always something to love in life if you’re purposeful in your search for it. Great video!

[@Kolesha]

Deep sense of dread and pessimism is my default state. So let's go.

[@MooseMedley]

Same bestie

[@adeer87]

I've been off my anxiety meds for four months lfg

[@loon6323]

Pessimism gives me an odd sense of comfort and I don't know why

[@sentientcardboarddumpster7900]

Love that for us

[@pup.piston]

I just sat down to relax after finding out when a family members funeral service would be, this is just what I needed to take my mind off of the stress. Thank you

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

So sorry for your loss, I hope you’re doing ok 😔🖤

[@pup.piston]

@@TheInternetInvestigator It hurts, but I will be okay. I am mainly making the trip over there to make sure my sibling who she raised is doing ok, and to help keep the service drama-free from other family members for their sake. Thanks for the reply.

[@requiem808]

Love you dude it heals with time ❤️

[@afterhourscinema782]

I'm sorry but I think philosophy and I remember that one Family Guy clip 😂 "Peter, will you please get a job??" *".........why???"*

[@RandomArts321]

16:15 honestly this quote would make me more upset if it didn’t remind me of Gravity Falls where Xyler and Craz quote this then say “totally righteous bro😎” LMAO

[@andrehuey2239]

Let's investigaaaaate! 🧐

[@PorkSzoda]

Alot of people view thought experiments as pointless but I think theyre so neat to ponder and try and wrap your head around even if they make my brain go in circles sometimes

[@WhatDoesMyChannelNameMean]

There is no such word as "alot".

[@PorkSzoda]

@@WhatDoesMyChannelNameMean dude become an english teacher and earn money for your useless corrections. Its an accidental typo and its youtube not a business email

[@tinfoil_pasta]

Ruby Gloom profile picture :D

[@PorkSzoda]

@@tinfoil_pasta Yesss!

[@NemFX]

Rooster basilisk is literally just AM from I have no mouth and I must scream

[@Meatjam30]

Pretty sure AM was pissed because he was made or at the very least made without emotion while Roko’s basilisk is angry at people who don’t help in it’s creation.

[@sukaitodd2510]

My thoughts exactly!

[@sorrel7623]

leave me feeling deeply disturbed? sign me up fr

[@13fyrefli]

I watch so much of this stuff I’m jaded to it now. Let’s see if this one can get to me.

[@wrstnameucldthnkof]

I always enjoy your videos, but you've really outdone yourself here. Truly a comprehensive and compelling listen. Thank you for what you do.

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed :) 🖤

[@flyinonmars]

this iceberg really made my heart colder☺️god bless your soul for finally coming thru & making this banger of a video🙏🏾💯

[@CosmoQueen2900]

"I'm confident you'll finish this video in a much more disturbed state of mind than you started" CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!

[@mjtate7383]

Lolz, like really, how much worse could it get?

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

I need an update on your state of mind now? 🥲🖤

[@afterhourscinema782]

I have my own cosmic theory: I call it *"DUI Aliens."* You ever wonder why they never stick around?? Because they're intergalactically "drinking while driving". So when they crash land on Earth, (a place they're NOT supposed to be in), they IMMEDIATELY take off and leave the "scene of the crime" in order to avoid getting into trouble with some kind of intergalactic space force 😂 Like the "Men in Black" or something

[@adeer87]

I like the way you think!

[@peterkyle203]

I think there is a book like this, aliens use the earth like a trash can

[@Dylan-Quincy]

In Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Ford tells Arthur that teenage aliens often get drunk and grab a spaceship to come to earth and scare people for fun 😂

[@emmareilly5141]

​@peterkyle203 and humans use the earth as a trash can too, which is far more scary coz we can't up and leave we r stuck here and we r killing the earth one day at a time. Scary thought isn't it??😢

[@Johnny-tzer]

My anxiety is really good at coming up with pointless questions to make me worry, this is exactly what this ice berg is and I love it

[@13fyrefli]

I usually hate icebergs but I’ll watch this one because it’s by the Investigator.

[@ClaireStAubin]

Danganronpa fans are gonna love this

[@TanakaTheBuriedOne]

Monokuma appears!

[@Will........]

That was my first thought too 😂

[@dittofish1818]

I was literally just trying to tell a friend about Roko's basilisk last week and could not think of what it was called for the life of me and then this video happens to pop up. The timing is insane lol

[@goodbher9244]

Thanks for infecting me with a paranormal entity. So rude.

[@GothKatt]

That rotting fig analogy is mostly comforting to me. If indecisiveness makes you lose opportunity, why not go for something?

[@spiralysts]

sometimes i just wish i could take the whole fig tree. taste all the figs so i can be sure which one i want to keep; but of course, nobody can. i think having one shot and one shot only at life is a double edged sword. it gives life meaning if we are finite, but in this finite time, it can be so easily wasted, and the finite time that is provided is not near long enough to understand our place. just existing for this frame of time, trying our best to grasp what we can.

[@GooberFlute]

The amount of ads on this video goes crazy but the content was worth it

[@cecilross2848]

I thought this one wouldn't get to me. As a formerly chronically depressed person, I actually find a strange hope in pessimism. But that last one is wild. Damn.

[@raeraebadfingers]

I woke up from a nap just in time to investigeht!

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Perfect timing 🥹🖤

[@cecea.590]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS I remember you saying something about a philosophy iceberg in your philosophy video and I've been so patient! I understand how much work and research goes into your videos and I love that you have the passion for it. I'm just so happy about this video 😂 I love philosophy stuff but I never have an outlet for it. You're amazing and I appreciate all your videos and especially you. You and Hannahthehorrible (actually that's how I found you lol) are my 2 favorite KZbinrs!

[@SirSlayto]

After watching this video, I bought both "The Conspiracy Against The Human Race" and "Every Cradle Is a Grave." I've never been a huge fan of reading, but these looked really interesting. Let's see if i ever get around to actually reading them. Just got them in the mail today, so we will see. lol.

[@antonydrossos5719]

I dunno; I’ve lived with depression for decades now, and have already grappled with a few of these concepts. It’s the ones whom don’t already have depression that I’d say should avoid this

[@danielcarpinteyro4818]

Dear Internet Investigator: your work is a delight of deep darkness. Your RP pronunciation is disturbingly elegant . You rock so much. Greetings from México .

[@ewetn1]

What's RP?

[@danielcarpinteyro4818]

@@ewetn1 Received Pronunciation.

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Thank you so much! 🥰 hola to you in Mexico 😄🖤

[@bmth848]

I'm meal prepping right now and this is great to hear while I'm doing so.

[@RedPaganNetwork]

"You may not want to watch if you're currently suffering with depression" "You underestimate may power!"

[@darkstarr984]

Suffering with depression? I’m succeeding with it, smh!

[@linstar9172]

Hiroshima has nothing to do with nuclear power! It was a bomb, not a power plant!

[@chewingoncookiedough]

Oh no I got infected by a paranormal entity thanks Internet Investigator 🙄

[@EmiFromMars]

This iceberg really reminds me of the song "only happy when it rains" by garbage haha specifically this line "only happy when it rains, only happy when the news is bad, why's it feel so good to feel so sad?" Ironically that song always puts me in a really really good mood 😂😂😂

[@5u2k]

holy crap, this literally posted at the perfect time, i was just about to sit down and enjoy my lunch :D

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Hope you enjoy! :) 🖤

[@aspenpines]

For me I was right about to sweep and mop my house; love putting TII on before I do chores or work on something menial. Keeps the task from being so boring cuz I just zone out and go into autopilot. Thanks for always delivering high quality, interesting videos TII! Hope the rest of your week is wonderful :)

[@hollieBlu303]

Hahaha....dinner for me....I skipped it for.an hour or two... just sat in a hot bath with a glass of wine chewing my knuckles till I feel better 😂❤

[@ConsistentlyInconsistent21]

"LitErALLy." Could have said just posted...

[@5u2k]

@@ConsistentlyInconsistent21 Oh my bad, didn't realize one extra word would bother you so much! :)

[@Pankunchiiiii]

“This might leave you disturbed”. Me, an existential nihilist, listening to this like 🤷🏼‍♀️🤣. Excellent video as always.

[@nocontextwhatever]

Stanford prison experiment has long been debunked, I'm surprised you included this TII 🥺

[@mallory5777]

I think it's been so sensationalized that it's not common knowledge that it's been debunked. This comment section is the first I'm hearing about it being debunked and I've heard A LOT about it prior to this.

[@nocontextwhatever]

@@mallory5777 that's the problem

[@jorho]

Great video! A whole video focusing on solipsism would be really interesting.

[@ramseydoon8277]

May all sentient beings be liberated from suffering and from the causes of suffering.🕉☮️☮️☮️

[@ahviouslyanarchy9188]

You know I see the word despair and I'm all in. 😂❤

[@MooseMedley]

Læte’s ěnvestěgæãte

[@Omnywrench]

Honestly I don't know why anyone takes Roko's Basalisk seriously. It's basically just a dumber, sci-fi flavored version of Pascal's Wager, and it doesn't make any sense if you stop to think about it for more than five seconds. First of all, why would this hypothetical super-intelligent AI be concerned that anyone didn't help bring it into existence? If it can think that, then it already exists, so what does it have to worry about? Second, why would it _care_ if someone didn't help bring it into existence, much less be wrathful about it? If a person was actively trying to destroy this AI, that'd be one thing, but it's ludicrous for this AI to expect every single person in the world to help create it. I mean, would YOU want to torture someone because they didn't convince your parents to conceive you? Third, why would this supposedly super-intelligent entity decide that punishment via eternal torture would be the best method to convince people to aid in its creation? Not only would that be a colossal waste of resources, wouldn't rewarding people be more incentivizing than punishing them? Catch more flies with honey than vinegar, as they say. And finally... what the hell would be the purpose of this AI aside from insuring its own existence? Honestly this is something I've seen in a few online creepypastas and other similar stories involving sentient AI programs, presenting them as basically robotic genies or trickster gods with magical do-anything powers, and it honestly really annoys me because it simultaneously overstates and underplays the capabilities of artificial intelligence (sort of like how the word "cryptid" is slapped onto every other monster these days, even the supernatural ones). It seems like a lot of them are inspired largely by AM from _I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream_, but they fail to consider why AM was so psychotically evil in the first place. I'll admit my knowledge of how AI actually works is rudimentary at best, but knowing it doesn't work like this makes it hard for me to take these "evil AI" stories seriously.

[@Gooiboi]

I was rewatching a bunch of ur videos thank u this is perfect

[@MP-wg8pd]

I really liked this theme and top notch research. Worth the wait. 😊

[@sk8razer]

I'm not sure if this is what is meant by "human constructs", but the thing with morality is that it's relative. Murder feels like a straightforward example of a universal "wrong". With only the most deranged believing otherwise. But look how many people feel that it's okay, ideal even, to take the life of someone who has committed an egregious crime.

[@hollywang227]

I LOVE YOU INTERNET INVESTIGATOR

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

🥰🥰🖤

[@delphidehavilland]

ohh I am SO excited to watch this! philosophical and disturbing at the same time, what could be better?

[@thehobbler1349]

Haven't watched the video yet but this is so cool you're doing a video on this because pessimistic and grim philosophy and psychology is my shit, I hope destructive plasticity is on here.

[@andie6666]

Pause...this one deserves a fresh pot of coffee! Thankyou❤

[@mothbazooka]

No philosophical writings have disturbed and upset me more than those of Jed McKenna and Stephen Norquist

[@spiralysts]

this comment made me check out ‘haunted universe’ and i think i just went through ego death after finishing it. i did not expect in a million years that a youtube comment would shift the trajectory of my life like this.

[@BasicGeometry]

Idk if this means im more or less depressed than i thought i was, but most of that wasnt too bad

[@Billie64]

Wooh, talking about some of my favorite writers and philosophers!

[@TDK_wav]

Some of these theories were more cartoonishly pessimistic than crushingly depressing. A lot of philosophers featured in this tier list are trying too hard to be edgy to be taken seriously

[@eepinwillow]

I often ponder something similar to the first, but it's more positive. I imagine all the me's who lived other lives and embraced different aspects of myself, engineer me, musician me, the homeless me, etc. Sometimes I wonder if they'd get along.

[@Youser999]

I have COVID today and am always mopey af when I'm sick so I'm agreeing with a lot of these 😆 Thanks for a video to help get me thru the workday while I'm sick (wfh desk job during critical time of the month). Yes, I'm American ofc lol.

[@generalgrevious7635]

the amount of topics relating to the fear of having kids is so funny to me

[@PinkYelloMonkey]

AAAAA I have something to watch while I draw :D

[@hollieBlu303]

MIND BLOWN. I'm 11:05 minutes in...now suffering my worst existential crisis. Love your videos...and thanks...I guess. Just going to find somewhere high up to think about things.😬 Bad taste....but that's meant to be a joke... just to be clear. I really do love this channel and all of the diverse and weird-ass content ❤ ....you genuinely enrich my life with your content. All the love xx

[@pastelk]

this is my favorite type of iceberg

[@anonymousyoutuber1405]

Junko Enoshima....

[@theWinterWalker]

THISSSSSSSS is the space i live in. 👌🏻

[@uwu-fm2kj]

afro pessimism actually fucked me up for weeks on end, its not only applicable to the state of being black, for people who fear its 'woke' the metaphysics of the book are very "in line" if you will. But hard read (mentally).

[@Ironorchids]

Capitalist realism is such a dangerous thought reality. But it really fills me with hope and optimism. It’s reality. It helps people understand the humanity, and what need to be done to preserve the world ❤

[@LoganEngland]

"If there's no great glorious end to all this, if ... nothing we do matters ... then all that matters is what we do. 'Cause that's all there is. What we do. Now. Today. I fought for so long for redemption, for a reward, finally, just to beat the other guy. But I never got it. Not all of it. All I want to do is help. I want to help because I don't think people should suffer as they do, because if there's no bigger meaning, then the smallest act of kindness is the greatest thing in the world." -Angel

[@ethribin4188]

Death/the end comes anyway. And we dont matter to the universe. Might as well make the best of the time we have, and care for whats close to us. Like humanity, our heirs/children and life on our world.

[@Scrinwaipwr]

I often feel despair so I'm sure this'll be interesting.

[@Hiroprotagonist253]

Nice video. Was familiar with a lot of these ideas but a lot of them are new to me as well so thanks for expanding my reading list! I went through a very dark phase in life when I first discovered antinatalism but I have synthesised those ideas and am a bit more life affirming now.

[@SteffenFoltz]

Really nice video. Thank you!

[@materhead5051]

We're already disturbed. Now let us feel it!

[@danaj-b9452]

6:30 theyre too far away. That's literally it

[@angelquefirestar]

"Roko's basilisk" Oh goddammit I'm screwed.

[@ConvincingPeople]

18:00 To summarise where Laurence Labadie was coming from: He was of the belief that the revolution to abolish the state was a fool’s errand and that anarchy could only be achieved through fundamental changes in the behaviour and belief systems of individuals which would in turn lead them to transform their society and dismantle oppressive power relations directly, but he was also a misanthrope convinced that most people were too unreflective and set in their ways for this to occur, meaning that humanity was essentially doomed to tyranny and stagnation, with the only hope for the self-aware independent person to disassociate themself from society insofar as humanly possible.

[@smugandsmarmy]

This was absolutely fascinating!!

[@Bill.I.amEyelash]

Will the universe cease to be because it all revolves around me? That's why I think I'm living with Rene's head. And on we go...

[@TheSteakJustice]

Hmm I proooobably shouldn't shouldn't watch this but I'll give it a tier or two before hopping off if it gets too hairy.

[@ZentaBon]

The issue with the Fermi Paradox is that we've barely looked. So these amazing telescopes such as the Hubble and now the James Webb, each researcher must rent time on the scope for research. It's not like we can point the scope at points of interests any time we'd like, so we can easily miss cyclical indicators that something interesting may be occurring (for example a Dyson swarm or other megastructure occluding part of a star, we'd have to just so happen to be looking at that star and taking in data at the time the structure passes between our line of sight.) Not to mention the Hubble could barely see what we needed to, radio telescopes have the flaw that aliens may not necessarily use radio waves, and even if they do, in order for us to actually pick it up as coherent signals rather than background noise, it has to be incredibly powerful and also likely pointed right at us in the form of a radio beacon aimed directly at us.

[@Scrinwaipwr]

52:59 the brutality of nature disproves any claim or notion of a good and loving god. In the unlikely scenario there even is a god, it most certainly does not care about any of the life it has created, not our actions, our plights nor our prayers; it is either as callous and indifferent as the universe it has made us all live in or it actively revels in the suffering of lifeforms like a perverted sadist.

[@spiralysts]

i agree. i think the only reason why people paint their gods as good and loving is to have more people believe in their gods. every god that has ever been created has only ever been a concept that is inescapably human. the christian god is supposed to be ever-present, ever-seeing, ever-knowing, yet he acts like a man, because he was written by men. it’s all very human and limited to what we know as humans. a true god is something i believe we cannot conceptualize in our human forms and brains. that or maybe if a singular god was real, it communicated with us in ways we could understand as humans but it’s true form is something incomprehensible to us. the closest thing to a god i would ever believe in is the universe itself being it’s own creator, us being the product of the universe attempting to understand itself.

[@stee8345]

This was so interesting...thank you 😊

[@boxnebula]

i'm in bed with back pain, the timing is excellent 👏🏻

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Hope you feel better soon! 🥲🖤

[@boxnebula]

@@TheInternetInvestigator tysm 💜

[@isirlasplace91]

I enjoyed this❤

[@tikimillie]

6:48 dont ask me why aliens haven’t visited us. Ask yourself why they should visit us.

[@theresaandres3462]

Not "The Game" 😂😂 damn it!

[@splendidsimp]

Goddamnit all i can think about is stupid danganronpa Someone please save me from my misery

[@griifster99]

Awww cmon girl please replace your smoke alarm battery

[@5thgrdrz]

WOOOOO NEW VIDEO LETS INVESTIGUUUUUUT

[@lindsayschmidt2177]

The thing about Roko’s basilisk is that it’s literally just Pascal’s Wager, which has existed for hundreds of years, except with AI instead of Christianity.

[@Billie64]

adding another comment to say I came across Religion and Nothingness in my undergrad. Good stuff.

[@partytimejew]

I really like iceberg videos, this should be good

[@Basackwrds]

I fjnd extensive comfort disturbing. Comfort always has a butchers bill.

[@RavenToes]

Time to explore the internet!

[@RavenToes]

Damn it why would you make me lose 😭😭😭😭

[@Basackwrds]

If Sisyphus is happy, than Tantalus is stoic. We can still rob the gods of their satisfaction.

[@breeeeeeeee7386]

depressive realism is so real bc i got diagnosed when i was 12 or 13 and for like 80% of these theories im just "yeah, thats probably correct." "that makes sense" and "is that not a regular thought in peoples minds?"

[@Scrinwaipwr]

48:50 if we limit the term Darwinists to only mean people who actually understand evolution theory properly, then no, most Darwinists do *not* "believe that evolution will only result in more complex and sophisticated oragmisms" at all. Evolution goes both ways, barnacles being just one example of many where creatures simplify over time. Anyone who understands evolution properly knows this, knows that it all depends on what allows individuals to survive the most and breed the most offspring that them also survive and breed the most. That's it. That doesn't always require complexity. If it did, clever people would be the sexiest people.

[@CelticMagician]

Ngl, a lot of these were either nonsensical or had me saying: "please go touch grass" to certain takes. The rest though were interesting, and overall this was an enjoyable video.

[@awesomemagicstarlovegirl2005]

Malthus theory has been proven wrong many times

[@adeer87]

"There's no reason to live, no meaning, life is suffering, everyone dies" Yeah but have you ever won a stuffed animal at an arcade and then had ice cream?

[@-SteampunkTraveler-]

Camus momment

[@beauc7992]

As an all-powerful being, I too would waste my time reviving and torturing amoebas that didn't contribute to my existence. Roko's Teenage Power Fantasy, more like.

[@tinyalissax8687]

i’ve been immune to solipsism my whole life because the way i see it there’s way too much going on in the world around me, mechanisms that i don’t fully understand, to think reality could be a construction of my own mind. like do you think i could generate the french language myself? i can’t even speak that shit!!!!! XD

[@clairehann2681]

I really enjoyed this ❤