The Difference Between 2900 & 1200 Elo | AoE2

[@gnochhuos645]

I'm 500 elo and there's no way the second guy is 2900

[@AnthonyPerez2008]

2:56

[@Jartran72]

@AnthonyPerez2008 Yes that is literally why he wrote that... Some people have so little understanding of jokes it makes me wonder if you are an alien organism infiltrating earth.

[@AnthonyPerez2008]

​@@Jartran72I am nga

[@ryanforgo3500]

@@Jartran72 when he said the second guy he was takling about hera i assume cuz he is hte only guy at 2900 :p

[@Eksands]

Hera looks more nervous trying to beat a 1k ELO player in efficiency than playing live on RBW

[@Johnnybravo40]

to be fair in RBW he had 7 chances, here he only had 1 XD

[@chrism6539]

To my fellow 900s: I often estimate my own idle time until feudal age to be about 10 seconds when it's really 40 seconds. Reviewing your own games is a great reality check.

[@maciejd.3782]

Yeah, totally agreed. "Perfect DARK age" rewatching its a minute of idle time.

[@SirFunkyton]

remember that in game clock is faster so if you have 10 seconds of real idle TC time thats like 15? seconds in game

[@JimCullen]

@@SirFunkyton game runs at 1.7x, so 10 real seconds is 17 game seconds.

[@Saeda88]

Also, don't review just your wins, review your losses. It will help you understand what to improve. And if possible, have a friend review them with you. An outside perspective can be invaluable.

[@thescottishtraveller]

@Saeda88 above this, losses doesn't need to be an actual loss. It can be a point within a game where you were raided and didn't expect it, lost a big fight, or even just didn't have the resources for that knight transition when you needed them. Win or lose, it's still good to analyse these things.

[@grandengineernathan]

Virgin pro player: I will take georgians they are very meta Chad 1200: haha 45% win rate civ goes brrrr

[@federicomarroni7713]

Playing random civ at that elo i must say i always had great fun with bulgarians! you can be very aggressive

[@michaelfisher2064]

He chops the tree while the boar is being brought in but he doesn't drop off the wood before sending the vils to boar. In other words, the vils weren't idle but the resources weren't collected either :/

[@freedomhonkhonk5169]

This makes 0 sense to me

[@PierSilver]

he meaning hera or he meaning the player hera spectates at the beginning?

[@Johnnybravo40]

@@freedomhonkhonk5169 Villagers physically carry resources that they gather in batches. It starts at 10 resources as the max a villager can carry (this is increased by upgrades). The game does not allow a villager to carry two separate resources at the same time. When villagers gather one resource (ex. wood) but then swap to a different resource (ex. food) , the original resource (wood) is lost. This is because the amount of resources being carried is Reset and NOT Tallied. The only way to keep the wood originally gathered, the villager has to first Drop Off that resource manually to a town center or lumber camp. So 5 wood and 5 food can NOT be carried together. A villager that is carrying 5 wood and told to go gather food will reset the wood to zero as soon as it touches a food source.

[@michaelfisher2064]

@@PierSilver the player, sorry for the confusion 😅

[@tomscorpion6288]

@@Johnnybravo40 They also drop the wood automatically if they build a mining camp, a mill, or a farm.

[@EagleTopGaming]

I like these videos where Hera uses is authority to cut through people's egos and move us towards improvement. It is clearly coming from a good place of wanting people to get better and not wanting to tear anyone down.

[@SolidNate99]

I've noticed a lot of differences between Hera and the way I play. He's just better in every way haha

[@FerRangel-t6t]

Let me tell you, dear HERA, the only difference, the 2900 has 2 hands with 10 fingers, we 1200 only have 1 hand with the thumb and index finger.

[@alexvsoul4489]

i'm 300 elo but play 10 times better than those guys

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

11

[@alexvsoul4489]

@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 to be honest I don't play since childhood but I love watching your videos keep it up

[@jatinsingh1856]

300x10 = 3000. This makes you 3k.

[@gamingpcgamer459]

@@HeraAgeofEmpires2what does 11 mean

[@miket7286]

@@gamingpcgamer459 its the communities equivalent of 'lol'

[@jaseytv]

I'm 800 elo, I play 20x better than these players you review. I only lose because I'm lagging or something

[@juandaniel7267]

Hi Hera! I will watch my recs and practice my dark Age. Great video champion!

[@rovsea-3761]

Hera: talks about how 900 elo players are mistaken about how well they play Also hera: "damn, I just roasted my entire community" also also hera: doesn't realize that he just roasted his entire community again.

[@EdwardStone-wt5ie]

I really liked this video. I’m now gonna do the same maa build (I’m 1400) and see what I get Edit: I got 2623 with perfect uptime (1762 food, 849 wood, 12 gold) but I pushed deer and delayed mining camp; I made the range though.

[@Lofwyrf]

Write it here :)

[@gherlwinfireson8582]

Was thinking just yesterday that my Dark Age is horrible… 😂 Now I’m sure it is

[@QuintemTA]

It's not enough for Hera to beat us 1 vs 3. He's coming after us on the ladder to spectate our dark age play. (Great video by the way, did not skip).

[@mrb3nz]

every time I watch replays of my games I'm shocked by how much idle time I had

[@tomscorpion6288]

Actually, I'm usually surprised by how LITTLE idle time I have. However, this does not translate into more wins as I just don't enjoy being aggressive.

[@UmutKaradabann]

bro this is like Messi going to a street in Argentina and saying I run faster than all of you guys haha love the content

[@NowhereMan7]

Bad analogy. A pro athlete has been training for years or decades to be in their physical condition. They cant just tell people how to be as skilled as them. Dark Age however is the one part of the game that is simple and routine, and there's no reason any person cant practice it till near perfect. There are no per-requisites, like being in top physical form or having played for years in order to be as consistent in this part of the game.

[@alijabevrnja4310]

A small spectating pro tip: if you select multiple villagers, the sum of the resources they are holding will be shown in the corner. Even if the resources are different (it will show the sum, and if you hover with your mouse over, also the breakdown).

[@Peetovw]

@Hera A stream setup and background has become much better! And the diffirence is very clear to see.

[@AnakinTheWeird]

dang i wish we could have seen chat during that first game. that was WILD

[@mitsokotronias2551]

difference? Nah there's no difference bro u trippin... See you next tournament you better come prepared

[@lisandrodaldoss8183]

Genial este video.

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

gracias

[@metathanatos]

Checking this video in my morning, math wasn't easy for me either Hera. But I tried 2 times with Bulgarians, the same build order approach, and twice ended up in 24xx range. I guess that extra walk, how vills are distributed on resources makes a bigger difference than expected. Great idea and great video to point this out.

[@gagegogo]

I love the resource comparison, it brings a huge perspective on things we mortals cannot see during build orders.

[@3398-i3f]

If deer were in, that would be 400 extra res, 2 vils more so better res collection, 1 min earlier to opponent's base so further gap in potential disruption, an extra military building and easy full walling, also time to delay farming and get horse collar. Also I am 1300 and just throw all army on castle age or just boom with advantage and allergic to siege monk 11

[@coriakin532]

I'd have to guess the difference is about 1700 ELO

[@DagarCoH]

@Hera would have been good to get some tips on how to improve. Do I play five Dark Ages against AI every day and compare my uptime and res? Do I play normal games and focus on specific things?

[@LuxMasakrator]

Counting with Hera

[@DagarCoH]

Count Hercula

[@JesusChristoph-xo9ov]

The japanese video may be recorded but not published on YT I think :D

[@Dawnrim]

lovely easter egg there :D

[@LuisM_Santana]

Hera triggered by the town bell but then scout kill... top moment

[@quasital9025]

Being 1150 elo, consistency is everything, I dare to push the deer only on maps that are close by, in Arabia it is an invitation to disaster and if I'm not mistaken Hera once told me not exactly like this, if it's to generate idle time, don't do it! We noobs can once in a while make a good build and fill ourselves with pride and delusion. Aoe2 is easy to have fun and very difficult to play well. Great video Hera!

[@gagegogo]

I like the fact you mention people can't complain about the mistakes you see on this high elo player. It brings up how you can not only grow as a player with just better decision making instead of perfect eco microing, but also points that even high elo players can make grave mistakes.

[@danielmaar8683]

Well @Hera: You forget, that not all 900 elo players are due to the same reasons 900 elo. I (1000 elo) really really focussed on a strong dark age, and I therefore can confidently say, that my dark age is indeed definitly better. BUT I really struggle to multitask economy and military while under pressure. Therefore if I'm not the one who puts preassure I melt... Thats why I'm 1000 elo and not because my dark age is not strong....

[@orhanmehmed7794]

OMG! I am literally one of those guys Hera is pointing out! I just took the challange - the result is : Feudal Time 10:14mins + Res Collected 2363 + 20 Vils = 850 ELO

[@noahmiller91]

@15:20, I would love to know how many res you had when you hit feudal, would this have been the same, or less due to 1 min less working time, or will efficiencies make up for that? Ive not seen the end of video yet had to pause and comment, but I'm hoping you smash it!

[@rovsea-3761]

Cool tip: did you know that in capture age, you can simply select all of the villagers, and it will tell you how many total resources they're holding?

[@furciorifa]

Thanks 😂

[@IanMainBliss]

Great vid Hera :)

[@tlfearofthedarkhun387]

An 1300+ elo player generally stomps an 1100/1200 elo player with a start like that imho. Can't really afford these dark age starts at this level.

[@chuy27arts]

Hera counting some random 1100 wood for a video. Hi has truly lost it guys

[@Omar-do4ti]

More like these please Hera !

[@minikawildflower]

I'm 1200 ELO and I play EXACTLY like this

[@kenostrife8423]

plain and simple: playtime as well as priority status in your life.

[@matthewb2365]

9:35 Allow cheats checked! What are you playing at, Hera?!

[@Phazur]

I’m around 1100 and usually have about 30 secs idle time before feudal usually. Some games way less, but other games I lose a vill to a boar or kill the boar with tc, so there is a lot of room for perfection. The dark and feudal age is biggest point of improved. I played DM for years and now transitioning to RM. If the game goes closer to post imp it’s always more in my comfort zone.

[@shacolin6546]

The thing about the "I'm xxx elo and I play better than these guys" is that they CAN play a smoother dark age. But lets be real here, we all do our oopsies from time to time, whether we're 600 or 1200. The smoothest dark age from a 900 player will most likely look better than a randomly selected dark age from a 1200 player. However, over a large sample size, such as 20 games, the 1200 elos' will be better on average. Personally, I can't lure boar and push deer at the same time, that makes my dark age slightly less optimized. I keep an extra villager on food and that allows me to not have idle TC time, but I often fall short on wood in feudal, or if fast castling, I often won't have enough wood for 3 TCs right away.

[@DAT1METALROCKER]

Use a hot key for your scout, for your villager luring the boar, and also have your select all tc Hotkey down so you can, push deer, lure boar, and que villagers without looking away from those things if needed

[@Dr.Macrophage]

Finally someone said it

[@TokurErdem]

Hera's reaction to ringing bell was😂😂hilarious

[@jankelar6714]

Some of us have very clean dark ages, okay! Its when the first hint of red on the map appears it goes south.

[@milagros_miraculos]

camon Herardo, i'm 1100 and my games really are not like these.

[@milagros_miraculos]

besides the jokes, nice content!

[@dimpie1000]

Great vid. I am between 1k-1050 so I am even a little worse. I am always trying to analyze where I make inefficiencies. I have now some ref values, thx.

[@dwsg1990]

Not watched this yet but ... Me: can't even get passed 650 🤣🤣🤣

[@jacobwood3326]

I am 1100 ELO and can confirm my dark age is worse than this 1200’s. 🙋

[@karmandev]

Quick question: If my villager is carrying food and I send them to chop wood, do they lose the gathered food? Never paid attention to this before 🤔

[@Dawnrim]

yeah they do lose. however, if they build a lumber camp first, they don't (villagers finishing mills/folwarks, mining camps, lumber camps, docks, TCs and farms drop whatever res they're holding into the stockpile)

[@chinhvns]

not really. If you send them to the wood, nothing happens, but as soon as them touch the tree, you loose the food. Like in the video, there is one time the 1100 player gather wood when he ran out of animal, he use the lumberjacks to kill the boar, it's totally ok, even the wood still on vils' hands on the way they move to the dead boar, but as soon as they touch the dead boar, the wood disappears.

[@bradleyscott6304]

I am 900 elo and I play three times as good as this guy

[@johncohnor9655]

Excellent stuff!

[@grandengineernathan]

I feel like this was slightly under average for a 1200, I feel like most have smoother builds and less idle time (I am saying this as a 1300 on a good day) Then again he was trying a pretty advanced build order and maybe he wasn't on point with it and the civ or he compensates with other skills

[@faultier3215]

To his defense - he walled a little bit in dark age, so his vils were not collecting res but still doing something useful. Might be another 50 extra res.

[@arn0000]

HERA CHECK THIS - 2:30 - not sure they recovered at all. rewatch it hera, if he didnt drop off the wood, thats a desaster since itd be like the vills were idle (cuz ressource switching means losing them if like him, you go from wood straight to food. bad dark age due to that mostly)

[@arn0000]

pps hera : watch me, a 900ish average elo do much better than this guy in dark age 11 review a game of mine and we will see ;))) but ya in general, any game contains imperfections and things. but town bell + losing the res due to the boar is stuff i wouldnt expect at 1200 elo

[@micheleeichstetter4627]

I practiced my Dark age (20 pop Scouts, no loom). i got no idle time and always around 2k res (without counting what vills have in hand).

[@SyonaraSenorita]

So other than completely removing idle time, what exactly can he say he's doing to up the res collected?

[@drleopoldopires]

He could say it all but then it messed his coaching and members bussiness. Some details u have to notice by urself. Watch him play in slow mode 😅

[@KyleBc95]

When's the next hera vs multiple lower elos video coming out?

[@matthewmcneany]

The 1155 ELO puts you in the 69% (nice) percentile of players, so the top 30% effectively.

[@tomscorpion6288]

Of players who are actively playing online games though, which I think is a really, really low percentage.

[@matthewmcneany]

@tomscorpion6288 iirc it's 10 total games and 1 in the last month (ish) to have a valid rating.

[@tomscorpion6288]

@@matthewmcneany Okay, I imagine that's not a big requirement. Still, I play the game all the time and I played some competitive games in March and now in October, so...

[@orhanmehmed7794]

850 elo here, challenge accepted

[@wfaddwadadw]

interesting stuff mr hera.. Ima try to improve my dark age ... didint think it was that important

[@DeepMoonWave]

that boar almost got you!

[@thescottishtraveller]

This is the exact thing I was told by FoxValentine when I first started. He was 2200 and told me he was still trying to get his dark age like Viper's. Unfortunately it's considered a toxic message with todays community but dark age is key to climbing.

[@tomscorpion6288]

Well, the question is: why do you want to climb?

[@thescottishtraveller]

@tomscorpion6288 for me, personally, I enjoy learning and climbing evidences that learning. Everyone is different, but in general, it's human nature to want to see progress in something you invest in. Be that time, money, or anything else.

[@lukasvideosify1596]

Hey Hera! I am not a 900 ELO but 1200 myself. And I think that 1min of TC idle time in the dark age alone without early aggresion or laming is just kind of crazy. I would say that 95% of the people on my ELO play better than that. Just wanted to say that. :)

[@rileyharris1406]

4 on wood vs. 3 on wood, totally unreasonable comparison.

[@CoconutJewce]

9:30 Allow Cheats is on. Hera cheated. Heard it here first. 1200 > 2900.

[@ПолОтто]

I'm 1600 and I often have this situation: I want to build a third scout but I don't have the 80 food Then I watch you play the exact same build, and you have 2 scouts queued, an extra eco upgrade and walls up at the exact same point in game time So frustrating

[@anirbansahavlogs]

Awesome video. Thanks!!! Can you please raise the issue of not being able to see idle TC in recorded games, I dont have CA as i play on MAC and CA does not work on MAC. Microsoft can easily add that feature to recorded games. I would even love to have it in game like a beep sound when TC idel which can be turned off if needed.

[@alexanderjames6934]

im 1600 elo. Imanadged to get 2579 resources im unpausing now to see what ur result is gonna be, however i did my try right after his so i lured 2 deer bcs i didnt know u werent gonna lure. Not sure if u did. but i limited myself to 20 vils

[@Lecuack]

I am 15++ and still have a lot of idle tc

[@capablemachine]

"If anyone says this guy isn't 1200 elo let me tell you something, you guys all suck!"

[@smellyhhh]

I am around the elo of these guys and in a regular game, I really do not have these amounts of idle time in dark age (Checked with CA and also seen some casts of my games). But I slip up later and lose then:D

[@noxious8]

I am not saying i would do better but you should mention the first guy in red wasted all the wood bc he did not drop off before eating the rhino. So chopping the wood was actually idletime for 5 villagers.

[@cuauhtemocricardoorlandosa2188]

I am 1300 and I play 10x worse

[@jaredSS2112]

😂

[@theblackknight6405]

3:45 i had same reaction lol

[@BillyBlaze6907]

I am sorry, I know you didn’t want to hear it, but I am the exact same Elo, so I play against 1200ish players all the time. I have NEVER encountered a 1200 player who rings the town bell or leaves a tile gap between the wood line and the lumber camp. My only explanation is that 1200 in EU is different from 1200 in the Americas… When I play late at night I face lots of players from SA, the matches are definitely different.

[@dmastor]

I do NOT appreciate Hera forcing me to practice!

[@niklask7635]

I think we can all agree that a normal 1200 knows how to place a mining camp so this might indeed be a very bad example

[@saimonewd]

would be good a video about how to do a proper push

[@raphaelguerin2691]

Could you do the exact same build but luring deers to see the difference ? I personally tried and got 2685 ress with deers( i m 1450 elo)

[@Kluft3]

how can i review see the Res Coll and IDL TC time as Hera in the video? perhaps to review my games easier

[@ryanberry5020]

My dark age is bloody good. I have on average between 3 and 15 seconds idle every time. But my downfall is my knowledge on other civs etc. Just hit 1100 the other day. But last couple days i have fallen back to 1030. Its my mid-late game that lets me down

[@jeremyfox4186]

I'm too scared to play ranked, so I don't know my ELO. I played 2 games, and kept making so many terrible mistakes, so I just stopped (for now). At the time, I had only about 100 hours in the game. Now I have about 290 hrs. Maybe I need to try again... I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT "ELO" STANDS FOR!

[@kudoushinichi1412]

The ELO is just a number that means where you are in the statistical distribution of all players (represented in a gaussian bell). The ELO is used to calculate “how likely is this player to win or lose against this player of X ELO?” and thus get players to play with people of a similar level to themselves. There is no reason to be afraid of rankeds, because after a certain amount of games, you will be able to establish your “real elo” and play with people with your skill level, where you will win and lose 50% of your games. It is normal to lose the first 10 qualifying games, they are matchmaking games to find your real ELO, don't be scared.

[@ORy652]

thank you!

[@hakobminasyan3671]

Im 1000 elo, played 300-350 games…I always do 25 pop and go to fast castle, i do it like more than 50% all of the games, so i think I master it

[@mattsmilenot6778]

How can you watch a game with this exact menu on the bottom with the IDC TC and all??

[@Slashixuz]

You need to download the aoe2 spectating software called "Capturage", then it's easy, there's even a button ingame in recorded games menu called "spectate with capturage"

[@Anthony-wd3dl]

2645 res, low elo maths @Hera

[@basstscho1400]

While the premise of the video is interesting, the chosen method is not good. Too many variables like distances to ressources, gathering rate of build order and reacting to opponents. Here is what i recommend to redo: get the mirror-map-pack for fair walking distance and building positioning. Challenge different ELO (them against each other or you against them). Further you could have no attack rules or drushs allowed to see how effektive idle time is due to falling apart from multitasking at different ELO. For keeping it accurate i recommend a buildorder that both have to follow or adding a multiplyer according to the gathering rate.

[@Anklarr]

I'm 2900 elo and play way worse than the 1170 guy way better than hera tho, i don't get it

[@agustinfranco0]

Hearttt is that you?

[@xtriggermortisx7881]

“Luring deer is part of having a good dark age” “We’re not going to lure deer” Where is the meaning of this

[@martijnbouman8874]

To demonstrate the difference in resources collected even without luring Deer.

[@thomasmuller546]

There is a difference?

[@gebhard128]

No way there is a difference in players 1700 elo apart from each other, must be troll vid

[@lalolopez1702]

what am I doing with my life?? xd

[@specialmentalproblem]

the diffrence is 1700 elo, youre welcome, until we meet again!

[@ryanforgo3500]

looking back at a few of my games i am at 2550-2600 rss, i should be at 2800 , righttt? 🤨🤔🙃

[@heineseeki]

That was honestly a very sub par dark age for a "1200" elo player. Most guys have more like 10-20sec idle time and it's very rare to see someone fuck up the first vills with 4 on wood and forgetting the boar + ringing the town bell like wtf? 11 And then he has space at the LC and no space on mining camp? Nahhhhh... I would love to see a comparison between a "1200" dark age at a 8/10 performance in which the player doesn't fuck up as hard and has like 15sec idle tc or so. You would probably only be 100 ish res ahead!

[@kudoushinichi1412]

They always say the same thing “this is not a real 1200”, “the 1200's I play against are better than this”. The truth is no, that's how bad 1200's are most of the time, and the faster we accept how bad we are, the faster we are going to get better.

[@heineseeki]

@@kudoushinichi1412 I hover around 1150-1300 and watch almost all my replays with capture age, what I said is 100% accurate. I have almost never seen this bad of an dark age on that level - period.

[@kudoushinichi1412]

​@@heineseekiI coach a lot of guys at that level and, in my experience, it's not like that. It is very normal for them to have these kinds of starts.

[@dmytropanchenko8812]

My game is not exactly the same, because I personally prefer to lose at least one villager on a boar and scream in agony

[@andrewharris890]

I really wanna know if you would still collect much more resources than a 1700 elo player with a solid dark age

[@Jartran72]

Short answer no Long answer: Dark age is the easiest part of the game eveything else is build upon. Everyone can learn how to not have idle time, lure deer and boars at the same time.. 1700 are pretty good already they probably have close to perfect dark age. Now the actual army comp, switching, micro, defending etc. ... Is important now. At that point the dark age is great and pretty much flawless save for the occasional mistake.. But even Hera makes those so whatever.