Why I Hate "Manga vs. Comics"

[@troyoboyo17]

What are your thoughts on the "Manga vs. Comics" discourse? And have you seen/read One Piece? You should try One Piece. One Piece is really cool.

[@Wally_MD]

So glad you are finally reading Peak Fiction.

[@crediblesalamander8056]

One piece is incredible. I think it's only natural to compare comics and manga because they're ostensibly the same medium. On the whole I have a bit of a frustration with comic books, because while there are some amazing comics (superhero and non-superhero), it still feels like the medium is under-explored as a whole and the overuse of superhero fiction has really bogged down the medium. The same could be said about Shonen battle manga, but the disparity in popularity between Shonen battle and other manga is not nearly as large as the one between superhero comics and everything else. Marvel and DC's chokehold on the industry has done little good to the medium and while again the same can be said about JUMP, even within JUMP there's a very diverse catalogue of stories that don't have to be burdened by sharing the same universe and characters. Marvel and DC also have smaller arms publishing more indie/experimental stories, but that stuff gets very easily lost among the avalanche of superhero stuff, while with Shonen even new series can get magazine covers and share the same space as the big hitters. I honestly think comics would have benefitted tremendously if the magazine format was more popular. But these are just my thoughts as a very occasional comic book reader (that shit's way too expensive).

[@invisiblefan2387]

Opinion is that manga is a lot easier to read. I can just start with vol 1 to whatever the end is. Trying to plan out buying comics is WAY harder.

[@HelterCas]

I’m currently going through one piece rn. But the real question is have you read Berserk? You should try Berserk. Berserk is REALLY cool

[@theknightdraws]

One piece is indeed really cool

[@BloodBathhhh]

I like how you have the picture of Superman and goku as friends instead of rivals like the internet wants RIP Akira Toriyama

[@mynameisalta]

When I was in high school l was constantly called an “American weeb” since I love superheroes and comics so much 💀💀

[@wolfmilk1016]

Well I guess I'm an American Weeb too lmao

[@crediblesalamander8056]

well, there's americaboos, but that has a slightly different meaning.

[@funny-gv3ml]

You every hear of one punch man you will love it

[@mynameisalta]

@@funny-gv3ml oh don’t worry, that’s my favorite anime

[@funny-gv3ml]

@@mynameisalta W

[@jonieljoestarzawarudo8172]

Reject pointless rivalry. Embrace companionship.

[@Cyborg_Ninja_13]

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[@bananajuice3494]

W comment, W reply

[@dredgenbore2731]

W comments. W replays

[@iraford5788]

Yep.

[@eyelessnosea1413]

L take Manga HAS to destroy comics. They've gone to woke shit and must be erradicated...

[@cheesydawg371]

I very much agree. While there are many differences in overall production I think the hard divide of "manga/comics" and "anime/cartoons" is ridiculous. That mindset bars people from potentially enjoying really good stories that I think need to be seen.

[@MiguelGonzalez-du8de]

What I hate the most about this discourse is that they don't even talk about Mangas in general vs Comics in general, it's always JUST about shonnen manga vs superhero comics. Saying that the entire comic book industry is just Marvel and DC comics is like saying that the entire manga industry is just Naruto and Dragon Ball. There's a lot of variety, genres, writers and artists in both mediums, and judging them based on the current trendy genres is pointless cuz you're only talking about a very very small and curated picture of the medium.

[@leonardomiguita8261]

That’s probably because most of the discussion is being done by Americans

[@jabe8821]

DC and Marvel comics both have make a good amount of non superhero comics which usually also get ignored in these comics vs manga discussions.

[@jojomond7828]

When it comes to manga vs comics I've never see anybody bring up hellboy on the comic side Damn shame

[@deandravilla]

@@leonardomiguita8261this comment makes no sense as many American comments aren’t super heroes? Comics didn’t even start out as super hero. This generalization is part of the problem the video and OPs comment is talking about. Completely ignoring the bigger picture.

[@leonardomiguita8261]

@@deandravillamany aren’t, but that’s what dominates de market around there. If I hop online and see any English speaking person talking about comics, they are almost always talking about superheroes and are American. What’s a shame, since the USA has names like Will Eisner and Chris Ware. But that’s what you get when the two major industries lobby out the competition. And also, many of those people talk about “western comics” only taking the North American market into consideration, they never bring out how Bande Dessinés, Fumetti, Álbuns or Hqs are doing in their respective countries, but what to expected from the country who thinks they gave comics a literary recognition by creating the term “graphic novel”

[@iammatthewdavid03]

It’s really hilarious with the whole “manga vs comic books” debate is when Manga is literally just the Japanese word for comic books and this is just redundant. Plus they’re both awesome.

[@theradionicrevival8068]

Pretty much the anime club nonsense fights over anime and cartoons. Pretty much any point you could give on what’s exclusive to one can be debunked and found in the other, especially now.

[@gameframeinc.3389]

Actually it means whimsical pictures in English. There is no actual Japanese word for “comic book”. It just says “comiku”

[@ant-man9018]

They're very specific with it with the term Amekomi (American comics). And oddly enough, most of them call Spongebob and Rick and Morty, anime.

[@slaphappy6705]

​@@gameframeinc.3389you're totally full of shit. Manga means comic, full stop.

[@slaphappy6705]

​@@ant-man9018 I mean, it is just short for "animation"

[@tyrian9471]

The "I started reading One Piece" to "Luffy is now my favorite character in fiction" pipeline is always so funny. Like, it happens so often, it's crazy.

[@troyoboyo17]

Literally happened within knowing him for less than 5 seconds it’s wild

[@sarov7658]

Luffy saved me from all the interview I failed😓

[@bdletoast09]

I always love watching someone get into One Piece because it usually goes like that "People are always going on and on about this manga, maybe I should try it... Oh okay, this might be one of the best stories ever told"

[@eonragnarock2366]

Yet for some reason fans of other main characters are afraid to even get into it due to them knowing that Luffy will end up being their best.

[@FiniteMan1933]

​@@eonragnarock2366​Cant relate, Ussop is my favorite strawhat

[@Literally_SpiderMan616]

As someone who's still slowly starting to read comics and wants to get into manga too, thank you for this

[@SpyJamz]

Glad to see newcomer into the world of comics and manga. He's right in this video, the debate is pointless as it's unrealistic to generalize an entire medium. Just don't feel overwhelmed and the desire to "catch up quick". It'll lead to burn out and make it feel like a choir. Enjoy the ride 👍

[@theradionicrevival8068]

I’m not an avid reader or anything but as a fan try getting into stuff that’s not marvel and dc Anything from Calvin and Hobbes to webcomics like one punch man, Scoob and shag lore olympics, foreign stuff like tintin or the adjacent but popular stuff like Scott pilgrim and watchmen It’s a shot on the dark because everyone’s read it, but the series bone is maybe my favorite lowkey It’s just regular Sunday comics meets lord of the rings and it’s only 9 volumes long and segways from one genre into the other pretty seamlessly. If soft fantasy ain’t your thing, the comedy and characters sure as hell will be

[@theradionicrevival8068]

Holy shit I completely forgot about ninja turtles

[@JuanPablo-su6vw]

​@@theradionicrevival8068you could try transformers IDW

[@darksideofevil13]

I agree. People always want to divide mediums. Same with DC vs Marvel, Anime vs Cartoons or even the idea all animation is for children. A story is a story regardless of the medium. Thanks for making this, it was a video that was long overdue.

[@SonGojit456]

Mediums don't need Division All are the Same Thing to prompt us.

[@darksideofevil13]

@@SonGojit456 I mean for clarity it's good to divide things (animation is different from live action). But the idea that some mediums of storytelling are belittled while others are held as superior is objectively silly. But I agree with what you mean.

[@Prosperity-e8i]

Manga and Comics are objectively the same, but or cultural, social and business understanding of the two are different.

[@gameframeinc.3389]

If only he understood that

[@mohammedsuliman8072]

Thank You for this So many people try to act in bad faith and it really pisses me off American comics aren’t the big 2 and Manga is not just “battle-shonen”

[@xiiir838]

Smaller stuff doesn't matter, that's why people only talk about the mainstream.

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@xiiir838Shojo and Seinen are also hugely popular

[@somik-i3x]

It does matter. This were creativity and smaller genre can be explore. Chainsaw Man author was recognised for his work on other manga that where more experimental. Heck some great mangaka never wrote big stuff like Battle Shonen. Juji Ito and Naoki Urasawa are amazing writer and don't get anime adaptation that often (and in case of Junji Ito they are bad)@@xiiir838

[@superherochestsymbol1032]

From my experience, it’s a lot of manga and anime fans that love to regurgitate this bad faith negative narrative about western comics or anything outside of Japan, while comic fans just enjoy whatever story fascinates them, though they’re not in the clear either, every fandom has their quirks, but idk what the huge issue is, both comics and manga have strengths and weaknesses, good and bad, it’s a simple concept. They claim they don’t care about comics anymore yet make 500 videos on why they think they’re bad and inferior.

[@diefty94]

As a hardcore manga reader It pisses me off how bad faith actors try to use manga for their narratives.

[@bensmith9984]

This, so many groups with so many agendas. I wish everyone could just enjoy the stories without the need to get tribal about it.

[@SonGojit456]

As a More Die Hard Manga Fan It infuriates me that The Subs Vs Dubs Is still ongoing

[@giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947]

I want to tell them that manga have had agendas since their creation, to expel these fake fans from the media.

[@bensmith9984]

@@kwayneboy1524 what are you even trying to say? It obviously has nothing to do with what I said.

[@nevaladder]

The "it's good bc it's not political" line really gets my goat, as if art isn't political by its very nature. When I see the One Piece live action being co-opted for some anti-woke agenda, it just tells me they don't know what's in store for them in the future.

[@tacoshop7722]

The big two are so interesting to get into for me because it feels like your are a historian a lot of the time. Engaging in close to a 100 year tradition that no one quite knows everything about. Going back and reading older stuff can be very eye-opening as a time capsule and many times can show you were a certain idea in pop culture even came from. There is a mystical feel to reading Action comics 1 and seeing it all done for the very first time! Also I really like art and western comics have a larger range of kinds of art/art styles than manga typically does.

[@ajdynon]

I'm more of a manga fan, but I try not to hate on American comics. That having been said, I did also buy a fair amount of American comics, but the lockdowns 2-3 years ago broke me of my "buying weekly comics" habit, and I'm feeling very burned out on Marvel and DC. I mean, I like superheroes, but in moderation, and I'd also prefer to see new characters rather than "new" takes on old ones.

[@keremmazman3761]

You can find that kind of comics from publishers like Image and Dark Horse.

[@Comicbroe405]

Completely agreed! My main reason for hating it is just cause of goofy the comparison is. They're pretty much the same thing with the main difference being just how they tell the stories. Both are incredible.

[@pickedceasar1216]

And the artwork

[@Jack_Steelhart]

I'm really glad you addressed this debate because it's so annoying and I'm glad to see you put a spin on the flaws of manga and comics to paint them as strengths. Which brings me to another question, does this mean you'll cover mangas more on the channel or is this a one time thing?

[@vanhunts6238]

I still think it's a problem that Marvel and DC own a majority of the comics industry. You made some excellent points about "jumping in wherever," but if people really want sequential stories not set inside a larger mythology then every other company is doing better than the big two in this regard. Every independent studio in the country is creating their books like manga companies, with a beginning, middle, end, and consistent creative teams. If we want comics to have equal success to manga, then we should start platforming more independent books of differing genres, and maybe make more animated adaptations of them, since in animation they don't need to take as many liberties with the story (like Invincible).

[@ProjektTaku]

Marvel and DC owning the majority isn't even a bad thing. Like, 99% of the manga people talk about come from Shonen Jump or one of its spin off magazines, which are all owned by Shueisha. They just need to make some new book's that aren't superhero ones and are original stories, but DC's has already been doing that for quite a while, with The Sandman, IZombie and Sweet Tooth.

[@Claude-wd8hi]

Finally someone who knows how to use his head but I think that in the future it will change but I think that the problem is also the authors who accept this system who already have their salaries as soon as they have made series with the bigtwo while mangakas have to make a lot of effort to be successful

[@ender7278]

As a Doctor Who fan, the whole "start anywhere" approach feels comfortably familiar.

[@Pencilman246]

Doctor Who is so similar to comics to me. Long running, multiple creators, every new Doctor or showrunner is a jumping in point without totally rebooting everything. The classic series moreso, because each story arc was told in multiple episodes, like how comics tell stories across multiple issues. If you missed last week’s episode, oh well, you’ll just start from part 2 or whatever. And similarly, you don’t have to watch the first decade of the show to start with the Fourth Doctor because it’s an entirely different creative team by then. Not even the people making the show or reading the comics have seen or read everything that’s ever been made in their franchises, they just tell the stories they want to tell and make a few references to the past to delight older fans. I think prior generations had less of a “where do I start?” crisis that I think binge culture has given us and instead they used to just roll with not knowing things. Look at how many decades-long soap operas there are… you can’t binge watch Days of Our Lives to “catch up” you just start watching one day and never stop.

[@skyleafgreen7997]

3:30 what you say about manga is literally about every comic in the world that isn't American superhero comics. Take it from me, who is not an American and lives in a country that welcomes the medium from every corner of the world. I've read Manhua, Manga and French comic books. I used to read Marvel and DC comics, mainly Batman and the X-Men from when I was in middle school right up until my early college years. I even thought that Jack the Ripper was a Batman villain when I was young and stupid. But I grew out of these kinds of comics because they are just so inconsistent, and they never end. A character can change from day to night to day again, depending on the writer's mood. Also, western comics are not just DC and Marvel. I've read classic Archie comics, Sabrina, and I loved Josie and the Pussycats. Western comics include Lucky Luke, Asterix & Obelix, and the ever-impressionable TinTin. I actually got into Manga pretty late because I could not stand Dragonball. I was perplexed that a Manhua comic like Dragon Tiger Gate can lose out to a bunch of juvenile-looking characters that always seem like they're constipated. Then I discovered Naruto and grew from there.

[@keremmazman3761]

Also there are creator owned American comics too, most comic creators stop doing superheroes at some point and do creator owned work. Some popular creators even have exclusive deals with Image comics.

[@zionleach3001]

Thank you it's mainly DC fans, Marvel fans, me anime/manga elitists saying how it's superior. There's more to comics than superheroes.

[@SpyJamz]

Great that you're in the Arabasta saga. Don't know if it'll mess with the KZbin algorithm but I would enjoy hearing your manga journey from time to time.

[@Ultravenom1]

Manga's biggest benefit is the fact there is no mandated Status Quo that the author must adhere to. When comic books are ALLOWED by editorial to actually change over time (like Batman/Nightwing) the stories are outstanding even under separate authors. However, when they aren't (Spiderman post-OMD) it creates a stagnant story that complicates itself to maintain the status quo.

[@mttylerdurden9]

3:09

[@Whoisthatguy906]

Like one piece doesn’t do the same shit. After a big ass battle it’s back to sailing the Thousand Sunny

[@TheFLAMEXD]

That isn't necessarily true. Even manga authors aren't immune to editorial interference with their stories. It's been known to happen.

[@Ramona122003]

@@TheFLAMEXD The Android/Cell Saga is a famous example where Toriyama had to changed his main villain villain several times before creating Cell, only to have to change Cell's appearance twice because his editor hated how Cell looked. As lesser known example is that the Supernovas from One Piece were created by editorial demand and Oda created them, their backstory, and powers within a few days.

[@jiggusfiggus]

@@TheFLAMEXD There's also the fact that the Manga industry is grueling to the author's both mental and physical health, with Shonen Jump demanding new chapters every week.

[@phantom3146]

The benefit of different comic writers in movie terms is like Ridley Scott’s Blade runner vs Blade Runner 2049 by Denis Villeneuve . It’s a great way to keep things fresh and you can jump into either one first

[@crediblesalamander8056]

It's not really the same. you have 2 versions of Blade Runner, but there are perhaps dozens of versions of Batman. And unlike blade runner, it's the same character, so changing things too much results in lots of backlash and fan outrage. It's cool to see different interpretations of the same character though.

[@phantom3146]

@@crediblesalamander8056 you’re too literal , doesn’t have to be the characters specifically the way BR is still the same franchise and has writing elements they can’t change

[@giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947]

It would be if 2049 wasn't a sequel that explained the protagonist of the first BR 🇧🇷

[@raisofahri5797]

yeah that also makes things so overly complicated for no reason

[@bakublade1]

I pretty much agree with you and I'm happy to hear you're getting into One Piece. I mainly go to American comics for the shared universe stuff of Marvel and DC. I am disappointed in the lack of progression and endings for characters though. They could also handle continuity better.

[@sawkchalk6966]

I do love the diversity of interpretations of superheroes. So great to have so many different readings of the same characters

[@arturopineda1997]

Although they do share the same medium of storytelling, I am intrigued by how comics have developed into their own unique industries within each country. I wish the historical context in America and Japan was explored more when comparing the two.

[@CapLives]

Great video. I agree that this this debate has become nauseating. I personally don't read manga, but I know its popularity. I think a big price with comic sales right now is distribution. There should be 1 off stories in Target and Walmart. DC tried a few years ago and it failed, I say learn from that and improve, don't just give up on expanding the reach of your product. I do think James Gunn has definitely made strides with putting trades at the end of trailers, putting out a list of what to read for the new movies, etc.

[@jabe8821]

Purely sure DC is bringing those back this year. The main reason they failed last time is they were stocked in the card hobby section of walmarts and not marketed while.

[@Mr_bukowski4435]

As someone who has always wanted to get into comics I have found manga easier to get into because like he said its easy to start. I always wanted to start reading Spiderman comics because I've watched alot of Spiderman media and played alot of games. Thats why I started reading Spiderman Fake Red and it shocked me because it was litterly a deconstruction of Spiderman with a clear ending and I loved it. So ya I'll give Ultimate a try

[@theradionicrevival8068]

Tbh it’s about the same with western comics. The issue is a lot of people’s image of comics is marvel and dc in the same way (while dying out) a lot of people’s image of anime is just shonen that are 4 billion chapters episodes long like one piece, dragonball, Pokémon, naruto etc. Just like anime and manga, comics are a medium, not a genre, so there’s tons of stuff outside the big 2 (and within it technically) “Getting into” most comic series are: Starting at chapter 1/issue 1 and reading from there. Most comics end in literally one volume and 3 to 12 being the general average. In the same way you’d look into a new anime via surveying the kinda things you already like, and do the same for comics. The reason you don’t hear about bone, titntin, Moomin, the watchmen, melusine, scoob and shag and I hate fairyland as much as iron man and spiderman is about the same reason you don’t see much push for yu yu hakusho in the modern day. Aka not owned by a big megacorp like Disney to plug them, and the series just straight up ended decades ago. It doesn’t have much to do with quality.

[@calvinboucher5741]

I recently got a massive collection of Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-Man comics. There are some gaps but I’ve been able to follow along and it’s been really fun to read about his adventures before the Spider-Verse movies were made. I didn’t think I’d enjoy reading the comics as much but I think I’m going to seek out more Spider-Man related stuff and beyond as a result. As for manga I’ve read two different Zelda mangas and if I can find more of them I’ll read them. It seems weird to gatekeep when they’re both fundamentally comics they both seem cool for their own reasons.

[@andz]

Ultimate Spider-Man was my first Spider-Man series… couldn’t recamend it enough. It was a great jumping point to getting into comics

[@marcofioretti6908]

A thing most people ignore is that most comics have a little paragraph at the beginning telling you what's happened in the story before that issue. They also often tell you which characters are involved and some of their background

[@TextosyGraficos]

U know why? Simple, bc they never read, even i suspect they also never read mangas, they just listen anime is always loyal to manga.

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

Don't forget the reference notes on the panels, a thing they've been doing for decades.

[@huynguyen3953]

So does manga

[@michaelbleich6873]

I mostly agree, but I think comics and manga do compete. My local bookstore once had a comic section, but since a few years it’s completely gone. Now there are three big shelfs with manga. I enjoy both, and I honestly don’t care about the “rivalry” between comics and manga (if it even exists), but these two products face each other on the same market and I do think the comic industry should do something to gain more popularity. Being easier to get into is a step that would certainly help in my opinion.

[@zionleach3001]

I do feel they could release volumes instead of single issues. Trese is a Philippine comic that releases volumes of connected and stand-alone stories.

[@mc.gemstone]

As someone who enjoys both I love seeing different stories from different people from different places. Everyone has a story to tell in there own unique way and that should be celebrated more.

[@MrReset94]

The main issue for me when it comes to comic books is indeed the multiple writers, not so much for the continuity’s consistency (although that also infuriates me), but mostly cause I’ve come to hate the constant reboots and retcons. Don’t get me wrong, there have been plenty of those that fixed characters and gave us incredible stories I agree, but I’m fed up of seeing characters progress only to revert back to their original status and render all of their arc pointless and a waste of time and commitment on my part. I’ve lost count of how many times Tony has successfully relinquished his alcoholism only for it to bite back at him, not in an interesting and contextual way, but just cause it was convenient for the new writer to revert him back and have him face the same ol’ hurdle once more. Marvel (and I believe DC too, but no sure cause don’t read those) have a problem with progression and letting their characters evolve and go. And I’ve seen plenty of readers agreeing with me and using this as their reason for dropping them. I have come to prefer reading a very mid if not bad manga from start to finish and be done with its characters and story, rather than have to stick with them only to see them go back to the beginning and do things a little differently than before 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ExeErdna]

The problem is comics get expensive and I like you get tired of reboots. Where it feels like commitment is punished. This run was cool oh shoot now it's cancelled. Now there's a reboot, oh the main writer is leaving afer 10 issues, Here's an cool event oh issues come out slow, oh there's another event that 5 other comics cover. That's messy

[@aaronwentz3190]

I find that a lot of talking points within this debate are bs. "They have definite begginings and endings" I don't care about finality in stories I read and reboots/retcons never bothered me. Besides, if something does not interest me that much, I'm not going to read it all anyways. "it's created by one person" this ignores a lot of creators who have been both writers and artists (like Jack Kirby, George Perez, Frank Miller, etc.) Even then, there are inconsistencies with how some of them write certain characters (like with how Frank Miller wrote Batman in the 80s vs how he wrote him in the 2000s). "One of them sells more" sales aren't always an indicater of quality. I don't like a lot of pop music (especially from the last decade and a half), but I guess by the logic of sales mattering, it must be better than music I do like apparently. "One of them is cheaper than the other" vinyl records cost more than CDs and MP3s, and they made a comeback. It's not publisher's fault that inflation exists. And that's not even covering the culture war nonsense some people push and buy into.

[@danielasarmiento3101]

Thank you

[@zionleach3001]

Exactly. It's worse than "console wars." Neither is superior and let's be honest there's a lot of bad manga. As popular a it is, everyone's not gonna like it.

[@rosemangofairy]

I honestly agree with all of what you're saying. They're both fantastic storytelling mediums. But, as a 30 year old Asian woman, I do agree that comics were seemingly harder to get into, and there's an image of a community that was more "gatekeep-y" compared to manga. I don't think that's the case though, all storytelling mediums have their own share of toxic and positive communities. I do think the whole "rebooting character" system of American superhero comics is its own worst enemy though. Sure, you can say that you can read any volumes and not feel too confused, but, err yeah, that was not the case for me 😂. I also feel that in terms of reading, I want to be somewhat of a completionist- that is, I want to read all of the main histories and origin story of the main character! That is why I read in the first place!Reading a random volume on a comic is just so unsatisfying to me, even if the stories in the volume itself are self-contained and wonderful. I think that feature limits good storytelling at its core. You put that system in shonen mangas, and I would think people won't like them as much, and I honestly think its popularity would go down.

[@zionleach3001]

That's why I read indie comics. Even with occasional prequels they have a beginning,middle,and end. Sometimes artists may change, but it's still 1 or 2 people in charge.* *Just like manga.

[@Movienerd092]

I recently got into comics, my comic shop and KZbin helped me how to start reading them. I already knew about some events, ex. crisis on infinite earths, civil war or secret wars. I’m getting the popular stories from each era. 80s 90s 00 some 10s and picking my own stories. Something is Killing the Children is dope. I’m on vol 1 .

[@ZevsMika]

Finally someone who is not going the "comics bad woke, manga good not woke" route when discussing comics and manga.

[@xiiir838]

It's still true tho. I'm yet to find a single woke narrative that's good.

[@danielasarmiento3101]

​@@xiiir838then clearly you haven't read any manga past the popular titles

[@TheFLAMEXD]

​@@danielasarmiento3101They're just a conservative who knows nothing. Like all conservatives.

[@ZevsMika]

@@xiiir838 in 2009 in One Piece, the character Ivankov whose power is using hormones to change people from men to women and vice versa, gave a whole speech about gender being a construct and them being over that barrier. By today's standards you would read One Piece and that speech and you'd angry rant how One Piece has gone woke

[@xiiir838]

@@danielasarmiento3101 no, I've read a lot. Still waiting to find one (Edit) And you know what? It's really telling that even tho you said that outside the most popular things there's lots of "woke" representation, you couldn't mention a single one to prove me wrong. Leftists are all pathetically predictable

[@thomasffrench3639]

I feel like there is plenty of comic in the west that are similar to how manga writes a story, but they are overshadowed by super hero comics. I don’t think it’s fair to just think of manga as the only comic industry that has multiple different genres of stories, and that is what is frustrating.

[@zionleach3001]

Yeah that's mostly manga elitists. There's plenty of fantasy and sci-fi comics.

[@superherochestsymbol1032]

@@zionleach3001 Manga/Anime elitists are beyond annoying.

[@zionleach3001]

@@superherochestsymbol1032 Can't even watch Dubs without them acting all butt-hurt.

[@rockleesankleweights1268]

While I agree that the debate is meaningless. The idea that you can just “pick up comics at any point” is an extreme oversimplification. Heavy comic book readers get frustrated when they have to read a complementary book to understand what’s going on with 1 specific panel. I can only imagine someone who’s only seen the MCU Spider-man picking up a Spider-man comic going “he’s not in highschool?” “Where is Ned?” “MJ is WHITE?!” “WHO TF US PAUL???” and putting the book down. I think us internet rabbit hole nerds overestimate how much normal people enjoy looking up things. IMO the easiest way to fix this is for the actual publishers to make public reading orders that are in stores and on their online marketplaces so you can open a Spider-man section and see “Ultimate Spider-man 1” at the top instead of the most recent release

[@spheremode3271]

The biggest strength of one is the biggest weakness of the other one, IMO. Western shared universe superhero comics are so enthralling because the shared universe makes uncovering the entire story so fulfilling, but also it is a huge barrier to entry. Manga has the advantage of being one continuous, unbroken story that you can read from beginning to end without needing to look things up on the wiki. Obviously, this is not the case for all manga and comics, it is a generalization. Also, manga is willing to distribute to places like 5 Below, while comics are only in LCS and bookstores.

[@Dylanisa_BasketCase]

I personally agree. This debate is stupid. I have reccomending Comics to my friends for about a year now. And so far they're really enjoying it.

[@dylantaylor603]

I have loved watching this channel grow overtime as you have consistently put out amazing content. Def helps me get through long shifts at work!

[@cauaviniciusguedes2004]

Why people still are fighting this 'who is better, DC or Marvel, and Star Wars or Dragon Ball and Comic Books, Mangás, Cartoons and Anime?' and with every fandom? Who cares! Who even still cares about theses types of things. The World and people always fight each other to prove who is better, the world would be a better place if people just stop fight everyone and just enjoy everyone.

[@M.R._BlueVO]

I decided to get into comics more while in high school and my philosophy/process was always as follows: 1. Pinpoint my favorite characters (Hawkeye, Superman, Captain America, etc.) 2. Research their best out of continuity comics (Superman: Red & Blue, Spider-man: Life Story, etc.) 3. Do a bit more surface level research. I.e: does this tie into an event?, how long is it?, how much does it cost? & where can I find it? If a comic meets all those criteria, then I'd try to find it, buy it & read it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But it's a procedure that led me to incredible stories like Kingdom Come & Matt Fraction's Hawkeye run. As well as great artists & writers like Alex Ross, Mark Waid, Francis Manapul, Daniel Warren Johnson, & many others.

[@thedoglovinggamer5825]

Manga and Comics are the same thing but made in different places by different cultures. There is no rivalry.

[@aliminator1310]

Personally, I'm just not into superhero comics OR manga, mostly because that wasn't what I was into. Honestly, I was more interested in the stuff outside DC and Marvel, like "Bone" by Jeff Smith, or "Copper" by Kazu Kabushi.

[@ryanm7239]

THANK YOU! It's so stupid, they're not at odds. It's like when people argue over if Avatar is an anime or not

[@lulu_TheWitchBoy]

I just find it funny that when I was in middle school people told me Anime/ manga was weird, and then when I hit high school, Covid happen, and they switched up all of sudden lmao.

[@Megatrømus]

There is no longer manga vs comics, because manga won, proof of this are the comic stores, the ironic part is that they no longer sell comics, only mangas, in fact it can be verified The only two comics that are sold globally are Spiderman and Batman, since the rest are mostly mangas, which says a lot about the current situation of comics.

[@sakkoyaba4482]

Manga aint sold globally either what are u on? 5 countries doesnt make something global also both are read online & comics are so shiteee nowadays that it would be shameful if mangas didnt win

[@laragallahue7127]

As someone who got into comics though wanting to read my more of my favorites like the Riddler - I usually jump from run to run. Personally that works for me as I just hyperfixated. The Star Wars marvels comics were big thing getting in me into reading entire runs and getting more into classic DC stuff The only thing I have issue is 90’s Batman comics as disabled reader the fancy hand writing is annoying I kill for those comics but a way to read the boxes without the fancy writing I have tried many times getting into manga but never really got into it

[@bringmetheapostles5953]

What i find funny about this whole pointless discourse (and something that completely discredits it) is the fact that neither side of the argument takes into account independent creators or publishers. The comic bros only complain about shonen manga and the manga bros only complain about cape comics. No discussion of indie comic creators/publishers, European comics (or comics from any other region), webcomics/webmanga, independent or more obscure and experimental manga. Its not a discourse that's interested in talking about the medium of sequential art as a whole, its a pointless culture war propagated by different factions of right wing nutjobs that have nothing better to do with their lives. Anyways, glory to comics and manga, and sequential art as a whole. Peace out ✌️

[@dekmikasa4366]

People just don't care about comic they didn't know

[@MWhaleK]

To me one of the great things about Marvel and DC? Is that there is just SO MUCH lore, so many cool and interesting obscure or minor characters to discover, so many crazy bits of lore that one can learn as well as so much stuff to laugh at because it is just so stupid or crazy. Like Hostess fruit cakes Spider-man or Frog man or Kite man or Signal man or Zebra man or the Polka dot man or the Man-Elephant or The Word or Doctor Bob Doom or the Band of Bland.

[@ChaseBuck]

I think what hinders the big 2 in the West is the idea of Canon… it just seems so odd to me, especially like you mentioned with crossovers, feeling like you’re missing something cause you didn’t read another issue not in your series that’s numbered maybe? “Superhero fatigue” is likely influencing these people’s opinions when they say manga is taking over tbh too

[@ExeErdna]

Since in the 90s there was a comics crash. It's why a lot of IPs were owned by Fox, Hulk was own by Universal and Disney had Avengers. Then whomever was left went to whomever had the money. That's why the Blade movies happened. So canon simply means consistency people want to be able to pick something up and not wonder WTF is going on. Depending on the comic it's easier. If you don't care about overall lore of a character and WHY or how they got to this point. That's why crossovers can be toxic to some people because of the price point, then FOMO and finally retcons. These things are what cause burnout, you can't afford so you skip if you skip FOMO happens. Then if you stick with story they still risk of being retconned during a reboot/relaunch. The dislike of comics isn't simple

[@iceloveanime]

This debate is exactly the same as the "Anime vs Cartoon" debate. At the end of the day they're both animation based media with characters, story, and settings. I grew up watching both and if i like a show i'll watch it. If i don't like a show i'll drop it. It's just that plain and simple for me.

[@TheFLAMEXD]

I think the anime vs cartoon debate is somewhat more valid, because there is a difference between how those two are treated in Japan and America. For the most part, I'd say Japan has more variety in genres and is able to appeal to all kinds of demographics. America, on the other hand, really only has two demographics for cartoons; kids or adults. And the ones for adults are usually raunchy comedies that try to copy other raunchy comedies like South Park or Family Guy.

[@LawalStreet]

I actually like the idea of having one main creative team that tells their story, leave and some time later, let a new creative to to tell theirs

[@SparkShadow212]

I get that, I just don't like the inconsistencies that comes with it.

[@LawalStreet]

@@SparkShadow212 that's fair. This method of sorry telling has its own set of problems, but it could depending on how invested the people making the book are.

[@jabe8821]

never understood why a lot of manga readers frame the idea of a series have different writers/artists on it over times is a bad thing when most tv shows have different writers for different episodes and directors

[@keremmazman3761]

​@@SparkShadow212 you could just treat each writer's "run" on a character as a different series.

[@kinoire]

I think there's definitly a middle-ground, like the abudent light novel spin-offs for series where you take a side character that didn't do a lot or get a lot of screen time and tell a story focusing on that character

[@slp1857]

Never got the political "argument" in this debate when some of the best selling/rated Manga include the likes of Fullmetal Alchemist, Attack on Titan and One Piece. (P.S Luffy is also my favorite fictional character and he only manages to somehow get better after Alabasta)

[@Shanook]

The thing that frustrates me most about comics is that you can't put them on a shelf, and sometimes they have way too many advertisements in the middle of the books. When I buy manga, or manga sets they look really nice. They're more durable because most of the time they are in a book form, and way more comfortable to read. Whenever I buy a comic book I feel like its a waste of money because they're so fragile. The only positive I can think is that most of time Comic books have more dynamic cover art, and the pages are colored. But Manga covers are also usually just as interesting to look at, and at least for me I don't mind black and white.

[@DJmouchi777]

My advice? Either pick up a storage box or start buying trades over single issues. I had the same problem with comic storage, so I picked up a long box to better organize my comics. You can buy them online or get one from your local comic shop.

[@Pencilman246]

Both comics and manga first come out in flimsy magazine formats before they get collected into books. It’s just that in the US we get manga collected already while comics take a while to collect into a trade paperback. But it really is the best way to read anything that isn’t “current.”

[@realjpegmafia]

Knew of this video because of ur Twitter and it delivered ! Hope there’s a better discourse about both these wonderful medias

[@supervideomaker9136]

Honestly what annoys me about the discussion is so many people use manga to attack comics, but it’s so obvious they don’t even read manga. They complain about “SJW” content in comics but don’t realize that manga also has a ton of “SJW”. I don’t know, just so many comic KZbinrs seem to love to rage bait and participate in a dumb culture war

[@aintthatapotofeffluck8926]

No they don’t. Lmfao nothing compared to American comics. For example, you’ll never get something like Ayakashi Triangle in America 😂.

[@Fancyether]

​@@aintthatapotofeffluck8926you definitely don't read manga or you just read shonen (which is fine)

[@aintthatapotofeffluck8926]

@@Fancyether again inuniverse politics are not the same as identity politics, which is what most people have a problem with and something Japan barely does unless it’s a series meant to talk about those issues.

[@Fancyether]

@@aintthatapotofeffluck8926 that is just factually wrong

[@aintthatapotofeffluck8926]

@@Fancyether uh huh. Provide the proof buddy. There’s a reason why comics are being shatted on while manga are not. These things don’t just randomly happen. There’s always a reason.

[@diefty94]

"i've started reading One Piece" One of us One of us ONE OF US!

[@The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World.]

This is why the New 52 Batman run is one of my favorites. It has a clear beginning and end, 10 volumes that anyone and jump into and is a good story. Oh yeah, and I feel you, One Piece can feel like a chore to catch up on. Also if you want to get into another anime then I recommend Trigun if you haven't seen it already! I feel like it shares quite a few similarities with western comic stories.

[@mttylerdurden9]

3:09 manga elitist ignore the existence of non big 2 independent comics because most there arguments against comics (self contained, different genres, etc) are proven wrong. Thus rendering the entire argument pointless.

[@xiiir838]

Wrong, It's because Japan ALSO has a wide range of smaller publishers, and honestly, completely more vast catalogue of story types than America will ever have. That and the fact that the smaller comic books popularity is laughable. If people is comparing the most popular from both sides, they're comparing the most popular from both sides, not your path£t!¢ imaginary reason

[@mttylerdurden9]

@@xiiir838 "Japan has more vast catalogue of story types than America will ever have" that would only be true if you deliberately ignored all the stories that have come out of American comics both big 2 and non big 2.

[@mttylerdurden9]

@@xiiir838 and people only compare the most popular from both sides because they aren't made aware that there are other alternatives (or they don't want to take the time to look into them) and because larger corporations backing the popular stuff saturate the market.

[@xiiir838]

@@mttylerdurden9 I doubt it. Do you think America will have graphic novels about a girl buying a motorcycle and becoming popular? Or one about a group of friends working their a$$ up to afford a trip to Antarctica? Or one about girls attending a pottery making class? I seriously doubt it. The true is that Japan offers a bigger catalog of stories than America, counting indie things too, since Japan also has a huge indie market. Even in the LGBTQ+ department they are better, they have a specific line for gay, lesbian and transgender stories since the freak!ng 80's

[@xiiir838]

@@mttylerdurden9 exactly: the smaller things do not matter. Of course, It's obvious that if one dig in deep enough there will be amazing stories far from the mainstream, but Japan also have that, that's what xenophobes and leftists don't get, even counting everything, Japan keeps being a huge contender and a lot of times they're better by virtue of having more diversity

[@PNDasa]

Okay so my stance on the Comics vs Manga debate at the end of the day i just prefer the medium where i can get the whole story from beginning to end under one continuity under one writter... A lot i dont care about the political stuff either but the constant rebooting or sudden turns a situation takes at the switch of a writer can be a turn off for a story you're already invested in... take "Who's the Hob Goblin" for example... comics are a great medium and i have been able to enjoy some runs, but preferably the way Manga is written feels stronger and more meaningful. A second point i feel about Manga being better than comics, is that with Manga you know your investment will pay off, be it years in the making... with comics, you literally have to drop it because they're in purgatory with a revolving door of writers, with different interpretation of characters maybe beloved by one writer's iteration over another... but the characters dont grow because if they did, and it was respected we'd lose out on characters forever... But it doesn't have to be an issue, to bring up your Green Arrow point... that the character of Green Arrow you and many other love today isnt so much as the quality of green arrow as a character but the quality of the writer for Green Arrow in that time of publication... he could have done the same work or worked the same ideas into Plastic Man for example and you have a new beloved interpretation, or had be be let to make his own character from scratch as a member of DC's roster... such is the comparison that Goku could be just as good had it not been for Akira Toriyama's story and idea... but it really could be better or worse or much the same, but its because DragonBall and Goku is Toriyama's idea and character that instead of taking his story and continuing it... many other writter get to create their own characters and stories with DB as an inspiration to build off of, and better in the beginning for it.

[@keremmazman3761]

Comics writers sometimes work on non big 2 stuff, stuff they created. Look if any of the writers from runs you enjoyed has done something like that. Those creator owned comics are singular vision of the creator, like manga.

[@ExeErdna]

That's why GT and Super has it's fans yet Dragonball was supposed and needed to end. I can feel the same with Boruto. Sometimes the best thing is for it to end. Then you can play around with what ifs, people like consistency. Manga has that now

[@KurapikaStan]

I agree that the debate is largely dumb its like comparing apples to granny smiths or Movies to short films But on the topic of large productions of never ending stories vs stories with clear beginnings, ends, and continuities (which btw both Western and Eastern comics fit into) I think they both have their own strengths and weaknesses that make me enjoy both the former due to variety you can get in stories and each writer has a different writing style and a new different story to tell while showing a new side to old characters and the latter for being able to immerse me in a new story with a new cast of characters and a new type of writing that reaches a corner to far for the former to stretch those are really what I value in each type of comic and that’s why something like Hunter X Hunter has been so fun to get into by being both at the same time

[@kierendale8659]

I feel that American comics biggest issue is advertising. Like the big two barely talk about new and upcoming books outside of putting teasers in current comics.

[@ExeErdna]

Also the issue they tend to spoil comic stories before they come out more than ever. Due to ragebait articles that barely have 3 paragraphs and cramed full of ads. Why would somebody read something that gets leaked by the people that supposed to help sell it? Manga often does well due to often times getting an anime to go with it. Then all the merch covers a larger demographic. Comics would do better if they made better video games. There was a point Super hero games were booming yet now they're trying to make a comeback. That'll help them since imo the movies and shows aren't really helping since the tie-ins are so different.

[@kierendale8659]

@@ExeErdna I feel that would only work if they made games based on the most current run of whatever book they adapted. Like I don't see people picking up Kravens Last Hunt just because he was in the new Spider-Man game.

[@verskarton]

True the manga vs comics discussion is a bit outdated. Especially now webtoons and webcomics are now taking over the market.

[@notbot5360]

As someone who basically follow one piece from the very beginning (im 41) im glad more young people starting to read one piece, many people from my era dont have the blessing to see what exactly THE ONE PIECE is, and i pray for oda's health to be able to finish it, thats the last manga that i read since a kid and left to wonder what the end would be (not joking, it'll end.)

[@michaelpalmer537]

I recently started read invincible. It’s really good and the artwork is amazing. I definitely want to start reading more comics. Any recommendations?

[@drineman9517]

Art a little similar to the start of invincible is Hawkeye 2012 22 issues just need to know that there are two archers on the avengers team named clint and kate

[@skyyswaggstudios2934]

Honestly if there’s one thing for western comics to learn from Japan, it might just be to have a book that collects several new issues from different titles in a cheap package in order to gain new readers. Grabbing one book with a bunch of titles for a few dollars is probably more appealing to new readers than one title for the same price. And also yeah, I hate the debates as well since it really is just the same medium. I mean right down to the biggest ones being about superheroes beating up bad guys and having several places to start reading, like yeah dragon ball and jojo start from chapter one, but I’ve seen so many people go “you can skip to z” or “you can start with super” or “skip to part 2” “skip to part 3” and it’s like… That’s no different from western superhero comics lol

[@thomasffrench3639]

It actually used to be really common in the west. Look at 2000 AD.

[@BWSStudios]

Honestly the best way to get into comics is to just jump in and forget about trying to be caught up on everything. Me personally I’ve jumped into multiple books at random numbers. Waiting for a number one is kind of a rouse, just start reading.

[@CyberVirtual]

How different Artists react to the phrase: Let’s Start Over Mangaka: Why should I? Do you know how many decades I have been working on this? The end goal is so vague I have to milk it till I drop. Head Animators: ok so that last adaptation was fucken trash because it wasn’t faithful enough. It’s not my fault the manga wasn’t finish by the time I had to make the final season of episodes. I mean as a guy who understands underpays all my employees until their fingers don’t exist why can’t this manga artist “just draw faster” like I have been. (Ignoring the fact that telling a story takes years to build up). Anyways Time to reanimate this corpse of a show and pretend I didn’t screw up the first time Comic Illustrator: Creams a River. Sorry I couldn’t help hearing the sound of making money. New Comic Book Fans: Definitive Version of a character? Wait what is that?

[@taskdon769]

Well, not many mangaka can actually milk their work to dry.

[@ew8831]

I can’t help but feel like most people complaining about american comics have never actually touched one in their entire lives….

[@RarutoUchiha2]

Yeah, because they suck.

[@josef.ramoss.8457]

​@@RarutoUchiha2 like u

[@marshyboy4637]

As a new one piece fan, I finished the manga a few months ago after binging it for two months. It's amazing. A genuinely amazing story, especially later in the story cos where its at now, it turns into alot of a conspiracy esc plot. It is demoralising when you start one piece cos it's so long but when I hit chapter 100, my mentality shifted. I saw the landmarks of 100, 110 exc and along with feeling like I was making progress quick, I didn't care how long it was cos I was having a fun time. I was genuinely enjoying it now, I want one piece to be longer. 1093 chapters is not enough. But for those who still are nervous that it's so long, one piece is in it's final saga now and it'll prob end in at least 10 years

[@xavierxop]

really cool to see you pick up one piece and love it, enjoy the journey while youre in it because once youre caught up you just want more 😭

[@Jack-ud2ym]

Is anyone not seeing the bigger point of this debate? The fact that creator-owned works aren't being pushed in mainstream american comics is a grave failure. Can the guy behind this video would atleast try to ACKNOWLEDGE comics outside of the big two. This burying the head in the sand most comics fans do is ridiculous

[@zionleach3001]

Yeah Spawn, Rippaverse, Something is killing the children, and much more are being over-shadowed by anime elitists and the fumbles and failures of Marvel. People don't hate comics it's bad writing. Like are we not gonna acknowledge that there is bad anime and manga?

[@parsleyisthicc]

​@@zionleach3001>rippaverse lol

[@derrenjames9460]

lol i dotn like the comparisons either, but that meme you put in the vid says it all. Manga has consistent story lines, where as comics are a fan carried idea so its more like the comic book characters stand for something universally relatable and manga character are just a part of their universe. lol idk if i put that in the best of terms but 🤷‍♂

[@jabe8821]

I really don't like the idea that manga readers push about superhero comics focusing on telling different stories with a superhero character being a bad thing like some manga readers like to say when I think it a valid form of storytelling

[@jabe8821]

@@kwayneboy1524 I miswrote what I meant to say. I was meaning to say that I dislike the idea idea that manga readers push about it being bad that superhero comics don't tell one overarching story but various stories when I think that is a valid form of storytelling.

[@zerox6x7]

the ultimate series doesn't get brought up because it ended years ago. it's more like a reason to quit because the story you follow has ended. kinda like i quit DC a year after Rebirth because it feels like the gate i'd already crossed came back again and i have to start from scratch. like the journey as a reader didn't matter.

[@AhmadAli-uk3sh]

One of the reasons I hate the comparison so much is the fantasization of Japan and the manga industry cause pple don't realize how bad it is for a lot of mangaka since its common for them to suffer from severe health complications or even pass away because of the very demanding schedule from big publishing companies especially weekly series

[@gameframeinc.3389]

Who says they don’t? People literally are understanding when ever a mangaka takes a break because they know how rigorous being a mangaka is.

[@harsyahhanif7878]

There would another whole different conversations if they take european comics, korean webtoons, and others into consideration

[@FreshmanGrimm]

oh for sure, but at the end of the day its controvery what sells, so they will keep on with these childish fights

[@senspideyfan]

Yoooo this is what I voted for on Twitter. I agree wholeheartedly with the video btw. Shit sucks and I would love it if more people understand that comicbooks aren't that different from manga.

[@jhonandrews2674]

Read the first Idek I think 15 issues of new 52 Aquaman before the throne of Atlantis arc a couple months back, man, it was really so good. I’m glad I’m not the only person who’s read it. I mean from the new characters with the different treasures to the depiction of black manta? That shit was COOL and made me so interested in Aquaman

[@firstlast9846]

*Imma be honest* : Im sick if everything being anime nowadays.. from Lara Croft, pacific rim to King Kong if it’s an animated adaption it’s always Anime - and it’s getting old. Arcane and LDR are a breath of fresh air.

[@superherochestsymbol1032]

Honestly same.

[@thehobbyist7275]

For me, I'm never generalizing that ALL Western Comics are bad or don't compare as well as manga. I think that my main gripe is more with Marvel and DC in its lack of variety from a genre perspective. The multiple interptetations are great for comics of which I can certainly agree with because for example, Stan Lee created Daredevil, the Fantastic Four, debuted the Punisher, and the X-Men. But let's be honest: Frank Miller, Chris Claremont, Johnathan Hickman, and the Jason Aaron run on Punisher GREATLY helped the characters if not defined them for most people. "Born Again," "God Loves, Man Kills", Johnathan Hickman's run with the FF and Secret Wars, and the entire Punisher Max run are some of my favorite comics of all-time. My reason for disdain for comic from Marvel and DC nowadays and perhaps it had to do with reading the wrong runs, but they had a run for a while that felt too politically in your face with defining a character by their race, sexual orientation, or something to that effect(whether it was satire or not I cannot say) or changing a character for the hell of it. I've never wanted a character to be defined as "look at me I'm (black/gay/ muslim)." That's not interesting. Miles Morales being the mixed Spider-Man? Wasn't too big of a fan(this was prior to Spiderverse and the games btw). The fact that his relationship with his uncle is very different from Peter's with Ben? Incredibly interesting. Same with Kamala Khan being a massive Captain Marvel fan. She's relatable because she's a quirky nerd like a lot of us. Where I argue with manga in comparison to SPECIFICALLY Marvel and DC is that the comics feel as though they are just superheroes. There's superhero manga too of course (My Hero Academia and One-Punch Man are two big names), but that's not all I can find. I can find romance, comedy, action, sports, slice of life "episodic" manga, fantasy, isekai, harem, mystery/thriller, manga about music, the human body, the actual creation of manga itself, sci-fi, and so many more that not only has its own sub-genres but different demographics can get an appeal out of them( shonen vs seinen or a shoujo vs josei) . Marvel and DC do the same with their runs, but I swear that there's literally a manga for nearly everything under the sun and have found it easier to recommend to people than Marvel or DC Comics. Are there things like the overworking mangakas and health issues? Sure. As the thumbnail shows, One Piece has made this weekly schedule and high pressure situation work just fine as it's normal in his[Ochiro Oda] world. Its length intimidates people. Is there a "typical" anime girl who's sexualized and there's fanservice around technical minors in some titles? Yes, but that's not every story. Big boobs and butts on covers sell and attract your attention whether you want to admit it or not. Literally both Manga and Marvel and DC have and sometimes continue to do today. That's also why a lot of male characters are ripped. The more "attractive" look is more visually appealing than one who's skinny with jo muscles or overweight. Certain genres in manga and titles will elicit certain expectations. For example, all of the Big 3 (One Piece, Naruto, Bleach) have elements of fan service and use a "two-year timeskip." They all came out in the same era where a lot of that was popular. There's a pervert/simp character and "edgelords" in all of them in some form or another. Sometimes a title is cliche and predictable to where you immediately know how the story will end. In comparison to Marvel and DC, I only ever have to ask two questions to help people to read manga: what sort of media are you interested in? What do you look for in a story? You like ___ genre with x elements, here's a list of 3-4 different series I'd recommend. Overall, I lost interest in Marvel and DC Comics and found manga to be superior because of the variety of genres and easier access not only from a where-to-start perspective, but from a cost one. I can get a comic issue for about $10-20 for about 20-32 pages of content(which is the average page count for most comics) or for about $10-11- about the same price, buy Bleach volume 1 and get 100-200 pages of content? I don't know about you, but that feels like a steal😅

[@Iamrooq]

“… they’re both comics” Discourse: *”REEEEEEEE-!!!”*

[@zionleach3001]

Pretty much.

[@Lumbum21]

Someone probably have already said it in the comments. But some people have to realize that manga is also not perfect like a manga can/will be cancelled at anytime, plus some older manga's just don't get a re-release or there's no official english translation which makes the reader having to see if there's a fan translation out there. Like some of my favorite manga's just doesn't have an official translation and I think I'll end it there until someone with more knowledge than me can talk about it and talk about the manga industry better than me. Also I'll give two manga recommendations, but you will have to read fan translations the first one is called "Kinnikuman" but a bit of warning on this one some parts of it has not aged well in the beginning, but it does get better over time plus it goes from a gag manga to super hero wrestling and the other manga is called "Hajime no Ippo" which is a boxing manga and again only fan translation. Also both manga is still going on to this day with one of them getting a new anime.

[@ExeErdna]

That's something a lot of people accepted with comics they simply end. There's a lot of interesting manga that's honestly just not done. Then some manga where the creator passed away. Comic run can end often do end yet then they're rebooted. Often times these days not learning why it was cancelled in the first place. Honestly only kept running to keep the IP in check. Personally Kinnikuman needs a solid wrestling game due to the surealism of it. So a well-made create-a-characer would put so many eyes on it since it's a cult classic. Ippo is also a classic, yet I honesly like how fun the Japanese have with sports. That's shows the weakness of comics due to The Comics Codes were' stuck with "cape-shit". Where Mange was able to properly develop genres and demographics.

[@fenrirsilver6441]

The way I have always seen it, is that they are the same medium, but born from different cultures... simple as that... I do tend to prefer how Manga, Manwha, or Manhua tend to set up their stories more often rather than the mythologizing of the characters like mentioned before, because I am perfectly fine with fanfiction... but thats also because I am a large proponent of "death of the author"

[@nathancarter8239]

Glad you got into _One Piece._ Hope you enjoy it! I haven't seen this take before regarding comics, and I think it's legit. Though I will mention that occasionally comics bend into their lore to write new stories, which can be confusing for new readers. Getting into comics isn't necessarily about knowing where to start, but not knowing whether or not you'll understand what's happening. Also, I have a friend whom I used to be pen pals with who read every _Spider-man_ issue ever. I've read _One Piece_ but you've got to be some kind of nut to read the entire history! (I will also be doing this with _Green Lantern_ shortly.)

[@beno2002]

Hot Take: Anime is Cartoon, and those who disagree just don't want to admit it, and I for one love Cartoons.

[@TienNguyen-ky4dx]

Chicken is just beef. Pizza is just bread. Vegetable is just weed. Drug is just medicine

[@triagoo526272]

Bro, you've really changed my mind about comics. Thank you for this video

[@mashymyre]

Maybe people should just appreciate comics of every country!!

[@And_Rec]

Problem are stakes, not where to pick up... you know in the end nothing will ever change, Gotham will be taken over, Peter will become spiderman and so on... everything has to reset for the next run ... I don't wanna say they are not good, but difficult to "attach"... Anyway yeah elsewhere stories are diamonds to be found

[@3rdstrikestan930]

I disagree, apples and oranges are more different than comics and manga are

[@josedehoux1588]

I honestly agree with you because as a 17 year old new comic book reader who wants to read Seinen mangas like Berserk and Vagabond, I don’t get the whole debate when they are basically the same thing. You did a good job explaining about this debate.

[@DumisaniPhiri-do1vj]

There not the same though

[@josedehoux1588]

@@DumisaniPhiri-do1vj come on, it’s easily the same expect which pages you’re reading. But I don’t want to create an argument so I’ll just stop right there.

[@sofia4388]

@@josedehoux1588its not the same i like mangas but i hate comics if they were the same i’d like them equally

[@josedehoux1588]

@@sofia4388 they are the same and plus like he said the comics and manga is like apples and oranges. Many people says comics is very long even though they read One Piece which takes too much chapters and very difficult to jumped into, the fact many people says comic is too long but they still read something that’s equal long is very hypocritical if I’m going to be honest. Again, like I said the only difference them is which page you’re reading. Again, like I said I prefer not to make an argument because I don’t want to waste many people’s time with this pointless debate between comics and manga.

[@Paddster]

I know you intentionally only talked about Marvel and DC but on this topic specifically Indie Comics are important. They are formatted exactly like Mangas in that there is a clear starting and ending point told my one consistent creative team.

[@sajithm4699]

I love your take on the topic I pretty much have the same opinion, and when you said that 'Start with something like an else world' I loved it as I am a new comic book fan. Even though it was my brother who Interdused me to super hero media he he tried to start from the 'Beginning' while I started with the 'cool' thing that interested me and now I am the only one who is still keeping up with comics

[@munanchoinc]

It also makes it even funnier when they lump Manhwas, Manhuas and Mangas in the same category. Oblivious to cultural, writing format and distribution differences. Treating everything in asia as a collective.

[@goom-]

literally who tf is doing that? never seen that in my life. Manhwas and Manga are way different from eachother(idk much about manhuas but i'm sure that's very different too)

[@giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947]

I like manga, the narrative, the art, the use of comic book languages ​​from other countries in their graphic language, I am created from this universe and that being said, I exponentially like North America comic book, closed series from Vertigo, the great Frank Miller, Marvel Epic, Hellboy, Clavin and Hobbies, Bones. But in the end, apart from Calvin and Hobbies, everything else has a counterpoint in the manga, which I prefer more because my heart is in that approach and certainly the same happens on the opposite side and a third side that only likes comics made by a country other than Japan and the USA. In the end I think this popularity of mangas in the fight against comics is purely political, they just don't know but mangas also touch on these themes and those from other countries do too and if it's not because graphic language and storytelling formula that you like manga and because they are free from Woke, you are in the wrong place.

[@yash_kapoor]

Why would I read a book backwards lmao Edit: this is a joke

[@krunchykat9249]

i mean it's not that difficult...

[@akiraeatsguitarpicks491]

What if you’re Bizzaro?

[@yash_kapoor]

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