The Dilemma of LEG TRAINING | Calisthenics

[@shathaan1763]

1- why i train? (to make my body stronger) 2- are legs a part of my body? (yes) Solid argument (?)

[@dontletmememandie6506]

Id rather lie and say it is not a part of the body. It doesnt count lol

[@H12457]

Agreed

[@xBio420]

@Joost Broek why not try and improve the way your body looks and improve your overall strength tho? I'd say training just to have fun is kinda pointless just add some fun stuff your workout but have a purpose, you gotta push yourself to improve. Also it's not impossible to do callisthenics whilst having more weight on you (muscle/fat) as the video says. Search iron loo on KZbin, the guy's a natural beast of a power lifter and does calisthenics and it goes against every single law of physics

[@hassanradoine4228]

I train for the parts i want

[@xBio420]

@Joost Broek i think I'm at the part of KZbin that's owned by kids, as I said, it's pointless to workout JUST to have fun, just do a normal workout programme with weights if they're available to you and just add some fun shit to your workout but your number one goal should be to improve yourself

[@extremedragon255]

you're not as famous as FitnessFaqs or Athlean X, but your potential in informative videos is awesome

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Haha im just a micro creator brother. But thats why i appreciate so much words like yours and that someone actually cares. Take care man!

[@Benzzzy.]

@@FrinksmovementTV use facebooks ads brother, so you'll get more audience. Your vids are better than other famous fitness content creators.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

@@Benzzzy. Thank you brother I really appreciate it

[@joshpalao6466]

That's someone who doesn't wanna sell you anything and just purely helping people out

[@ermis2639]

@@FrinksmovementTV One day we will be able to say "oh hey i knew this guy since he had like 3k subs", just like we did w austin and daniel. Such powerful videos with so much effort are generally very much appreciated in this community and promise a huge growth in your channel. Keep doing what you do

[@Limbaugh_]

If you grow legs you won’t need weighted vests to overload 🤷‍♀️

[@emmanuelguerra8126]

I agree it will be the same as adding weight to yourself. That’s why weighted calisthenics increases your strength and your muscle mass. Although even if you train legs and have decent muscle mass in your legs adding weight to yourself and performing body weight movement exercises/skills will help you drastically on improving your physique, muscle mass, strength, etc.

[@manuman5319]

Or you should only focus on upper body so you'll get so massive that each time you'll go for a walk it'll be like a leg workout.

[@eduardo.calistenia]

That's so true lol I have been focusing on legs since Jan/21 (today is 30/July/21) and also been lean bulking since them. I've seen my reps DROP like flies in almost every exercise, before I managed to do about 15-20 pull-ups, now I can barely do 8 with the added weight. Have been strugling also with the front lever, it's WAY harder now, but I also feel that my core has gotten a lot stronger due to training some exercises with the slow increase in weight. Overall though, I feel pretty satisfied with my actual physique and having skinny legs always bothered me (my thigs measured 54cm back in Jan, now they measure 60cm, it's where most of gains went to in this bulking).

[@Keldeo-gx]

And you may need weighed vest to grow your legs

[@Limbaugh_]

@@manuman5319 that’s not how it works

[@fitness60plus52]

I use Cali to get in good shape. Therefore, I include legs training. Nonetheless, despite this may affect some skills, I train those skills, too. That’s coherent with my overall approach, since I am not interested in competing, and don’t need to be the best.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

I think its really really awesome, the fact you do what you want at the same time being aware of good sides and limitations. 👍

[@aldosalthren]

I love being good at calisthenics, but I could never sacrifice legs outright to get better at it. Cranking out dips and muscle ups is great, but so is hitting a deadlift pr - not to mention the fact that thicc thighs are aesthetic af

[@nikoflow_fm9541]

i feel the exact same way. if people want to solely work out upper, and doing that makes them happy, then so be it. but i can’t be satisfied with that personally :0

[@lucasbarroilhet7237]

i just think one thing sacrifices the other, if i have huge good looking strong legs, youll sacrifice your strengh with calisthenics and if you want an insane strenght in calistenics you just cant have huge legs

[@danakidanfo9511]

@@lucasbarroilhet7237 damns, but what to you is considered huge legs?

[@CarecaRusso]

@@danakidanfo9511 60cm

[@HahahaGotcha-e3y]

I work out all my muscles as a matter of fact I love to work out and train any muscle cuz it makes me stronger

[@tominbar59]

When you'll get famous I'll go with the knowing that I have been watching you since the beginning of your channel and I 've saw your potential. Keep the great work!!

[@FrinksmovementTV]

😍😍 Thank you for these words brother. Its so motivating

[@captainkidney8577]

Rip to all my dutch people out there biking 20kms to get to school everyday

[@techfury03]

Cycling sucks

[@OhMyCabbages]

Ov

[@LuukJuuh]

School is dicht maat

[@trevordias7]

@@techfury03 cycling is ❤. I love cycling.

[@trevordias7]

@@techfury03 I do weighted squats two times a week and I love cycling

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Tsup fam! Couple of words to you. First of all - THANK YOU! The number of you guys got more then doubled since last 2-3 videos. Its crazy for me, even tough im still micro creator it really gives me that drive and power to continue, and maybe get somewhere in the future - as i see people actually enjoy this content. So the 1K mark seems to be reasonable to pass now and im extremely happy about it. Secondly i want to thank all people who support me - from the ones that provide me footage to make these videos possible to those of you that share my content on your social media or let me use such an awesome music that creates the whole vibe (shoutout Wavyb0i). So now couple of words about my consistency... or rather lack of it. So the videos on average take A LOT of time to make. Thats why i try to add some activity on the channel through podcasts. However the biggest factor was a hard and absorbing period in uni that im going through (exams). Good news - only till this week so gonna have MUCH MORE time to put in the videos. Definitely follow my instagram as i post there consistently again. frinksmovement.com/coaching/ - book consultation / apply for coaching / programming frinksmovement.com/contact/ - questions regarding coaching, cooperation/business, videos www.gornation.com - 10% Discount on Calisthenics Clothing & Equipment with the code "frinks"

[@jaysonkstone]

Killing it

[@muhammadkamil6083]

can calisthenics stunt my height 17

[@witherfly5811]

But considering we try to get our calisthenics skills natural, training legs just for testosterone and growth hormone release might be a good idea. Also leg training can, because its so taxing and uncomfortable when you get close to failure, help you get trough the pain/burn in upper body excersises better.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Training legs is definitely useful. I talk about a very small percentage of athletes who will not benefit from it as much - due to specificity of their sport. Thank you 👍🙏🏻

[@bbqseitan7106]

The “training legs increases testosterone” is clickbait at best and an already debunked claim in actuality The increase is so minimal-negligent and only last for the duration of the workout it’s not even worth considering It’s not like you hop on a cycle of Test if you meaocycle squats.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

@@bbqseitan7106 I agree with that.

[@sampainter05]

@@bbqseitan7106 personally I don’t. The legs are such a big muscle so I believe it would release a large amount of testosterone.

[@bbqseitan7106]

@@sampainter05 well it doesn’t really matter what you think the science is clear There IS a small momentary spike in test for the duration of the workout, but it’s not enough or long enough to impact your results in any meaningful way. Could it give you a 1% increase? Sure maybe. But will hitting squats, getting that 1% increase help you master the planche? No

[@orangeiceice12]

Have to. Legs drive metabolism, as largest muscle groups. Run sprints. Do pistol squats, maybe with a kettlebell. Box jumps. I deadlift or squat a heavy bag that's about 80lbs. Hip flexor lifts. I also do martial arts specific moves, like throwing kicks and doing sprawl burpees. Ten round kicks, side kicks, or push kicks each leg at full power will get some juice in there, as well.

[@majdalslaiti5925]

You’re very skilled at presenting information. You do not bias one single argument and allow the viewer to form his/her own opinion while still presenting the discussion in a very productive way. Keep it up!!

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Man thats EXACTLY what i want to do with these videos. I wont judge anyone for their opinion. I respect all of them. All i want to do is to make people THINK. Thats gonna make us all better athletes and more critical thinking people. Inform me how the flag is going on brother

[@bananapeel892]

I’m an obese person currently trying to lose weight and hoping to start calisthenics one day, so take my comment with a grain of salt. After doing lots of research on calisthenics over weight lifting, one of the biggest arguments against calisthenics is that you can only lift so much weight. You are limited by how light you are. However if training legs and gaining muscle in the legs is so easy, this problem is easily fixed or lessened. I think you made a good point about the purpose of training calisthenics. If you are doing it purely for a sport, then I get it. However, if you are trying to use it as an alternative to weight lifting, I would say that not training legs will only hurt you. My motivation is sort of in between. I like the idea of the sport, but that comes second to my overall health and physique. I like exploring outdoors and walking and running, so training legs is both good aesthetically and practically.

[@arashi1574]

When i first started calisthenics it was very easy for me to progress cus I'm a really thin and light person. I weighed only around 40-42 kg which isn't even flyweight in UFC. After which i started leg training more seriously and increased my muscle mass. Which made my calisthenics moves much harder but that just means I'm gonna get more strength gains from them now

[@perecollfdz]

That video was sooo good!! I know the effort needed to edit that mate, incredible job, as always!

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thank you man!! I got lots of DMs about the podcast. We gotta make it happen in the future brother. 🙏🏻

[@perecollfdz]

@@FrinksmovementTV sure we will 😏

[@Korzonus]

Let's consider training legs for general functioning: I think that if you're training for general strength - training your legs is obligatory. If you are doing any activities besides calisthenics, for example football, rugby, skiing, skateboarding, running (especially sprinting !), I think that you should train your legs - maybe not for their mass, but for strength and nervous system adaptation. Let's see: you train calisthenics without training your legs and sometimes you like to play street basketball with your friends. Your friend passes the ball to you and you're doing a sudden 180 deegres turn and after a moment you can't stand on your leg - propably you snapped your anterior cruciate ligament in your knee. By training your legs and giving them some strength, you can back to your activities faster during your rehab after injury if you trained your legs earlier - thanks to muscle memory and your CNS. Also fun fuct: big powerlifters with big legs sometimes even don't feel the effects of ACL injury thanks to their leg muscles, because muscles stabilize the knee so strong that the ACL is not necessery !

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thank you. Good points ;)

[@alfonso6096]

I saw that doing leg day can deliver 70% of the testosterone so that means you will have more gains in the upper body too. Sorry for my English,im from Spain 🇪🇸

[@zzzzeed3349]

I'll add that's the main reason id do heavy leg load while doing calisthenics, noticable is out of breath and core when adding legs (atm all endurance) used to have sprint like legs, big diff in feeling while doing calsthenics.

[@deadlyalpaca8548]

It does increase testosterone because our lower body has big muscles but if you're aiming for gymnastics strength Elements only and want to become a strong statics athletes or rings specialists it will interfere with your progress nonetheless like explained in the video.

[@Chlevistav]

i dont train legs be cost my goals are front lever, hefesto, planche, imposible dip. But i use my legs every day in work, hiking, cycling and so on. Have respect for every athlete, who has a different goals.

[@onytay-]

@Zoot jitsu Lol i train because I enjoy calisthenics not because I want a healthy and fit body. I want a healthy and fit body so that I can be good at calisthenics

[@amirulshah8584]

@Zoot jitsu never heard of the term half athlete. Should i pursue for phd, because i dont wana be half smart. P/s: i dont usually comment about exercise training but your comment intrigued me.

[@Chlevistav]

Actually i trained legs for a lot, doing weigted pistol squats, hight jump, running hills, endrurance workout for legs, etc... But recently i imagine, i cant be good at training legs And geting my front lever And planche ať the same time. I stoped training legs half year ago And my front lever progres skyrocket. Boys i have strong legs in order to normal People. But if i traing them for mass i Will Never learn front lever or planche. Im 184cm And 77kg now. Respect every ódy Who has a goal. Theres is no rules in our sport. Doing Street workout About 7years.

[@gtrrohit5078]

@Zoot jitsu lmao that logic is indeed intruiging XD You cant be half an athlete just because you dont train your legs. Am I half the human if am born without legs? No I am still fully human lmao And the guy has literally told you he does leg work in other ways - his main focus is not leg work so he doesnt put it as a focus on his training regiment yet he still trains them. Is this a sign of chicken legs? Probably not. Different athletes have different goals and this probably means their focus tends to lean towards specific body parts

[@gtrrohit5078]

@Zoot jitsu you arent half the human because you're alive mate! And leg work is important yeah to increasing testosterone but is it a good idea to make it the main focus for something like calisthenics? Im not saying it isnt important but would it be wise to make it your main focus. Probably not. The guys trying to achieve a planche not trying to get a heavier squat

[@mattmckeown6519]

You are criminally underrated. You deserve at least 50k subs for the quality of your videos!

[@FrinksmovementTV]

I appreciate that! Maybe, MAYBE one day ;)

[@SmileyDAce]

honest transparent information, communicated perfectly. that's the good stuff, keep up the good work and good luck with your exams

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Much appreciated brother! Oh and thank you so much only 2 left 👍

[@Zspader]

Thanks for this video, its my intro to your channel! If you train your legs, duh you'll be heavier. If your weight (arms & legs) are heavier, you'll have bigger upper arms from lifting yourself. Bigger legs = heavier mass and weight = bigger arms; which is the point of calisthenics. Plus symmetry is healthy, we don't walk on our arms. Check 0:41. Supports my stance perfectly. 7:13 opines that a complete athlete has developed both a strong upper and lower body. "Lower body strength is the foundation for most sports on this planet." At the end of the day it depends on your personal goals as an athlete. I respect you for making a vid on this controversial topic, subscribed!

[@dcqec111]

Great video! I like to see videos on the philosophy of exercises. Someone needed to make this. I am glad someone talking about this very fundamental aspect of calisthenics.

[@Ligatmarping]

Nice video! I totally agree. In my case, Im 34 years old, Kung Fu instructor and Table Tennis teacher, and after years of competting Im in a point without an specific goal, so the past 2 years Ive been doing general physical training, including legs, running, lifting, calisthenics.. I think there is a lot of people with no clear goals in a specific moment in time, and fot that people, I would totally reccomend a full body preparation, with all types of training (strength, endurance, cardio...) so to forge the best base for whatever you decide to do next. But whenever you hace a specific goal, go for it! Sorry if my english isnt good enough, greetings from Argentina!

[@stayontrack]

i'm a runner and i only do calisthenics for fun, not for "calisthenics performance" or whatever you said in the video. So I train everything

[@pd2180]

That is whats missing in calistenics, sprints, running, jumps, etc, to me calistenics is not well defined as a well packed human conditioner without some sort of running.

[@mikepastore1777]

Bro I got 2 exercises for you especially if your a sprinter but they will increase your stride a lot too if your long distance runner, Nordic hamstring curls, and reverse Nordics they are game changers

[@ChrisFranklin.2260]

For me, my goal is to reach high calisthenics levels with powerful and respectful and capable legs. The ridiculous level skills are cool, but not that useful. There’s plenty of guys out there who get massively good at Planche and levers, and have massive legs.

[@klokmedia]

Absolutely brilliant video. I fall I to the 2nd category. I definitely aim for some performance goals though but these are secondary to full body fitness. Actually, setting the goals still helps me strive towards full body fitness. Pistol squat ftw! Another aspect that is somewhat related is your personal body type. I am a lanky, long limbed person and I have noticed that this puts me at a disadvantage in calisthenics compared to proportionally shorter limbed, nugget bodied athletes. The reason I bring this up is because of the center of gravity issue. I know that I will always have a harder time with more advanced calisthenics skills so I just don’t worry about them so much and feel good about leg training :) Thanks for the thoughtful content.

[@greenpowertemple]

next level editing man! really cool and creative^^ especially the pistol squats part^^ great topic! Calisthenics is like Parkour it is almost infinite in terms of ways to train or things to specialize in But yes training legs is awesome for so many reasons and it should be considered to reach a full form

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thank you brother! And thank you for stating your opinion! Oh and that pistol squat part haha. Yeah i got in the zone for this one. Hope Han will enjoy it haha. Cheers!

[@kuba.rozycki]

yea! also liked this part very much :D

[@natcomber13]

Great video mate - I hate the dogma surrounding legs training in calisthenics, and the fact that some people go as far as to discredit the acheivements of others based on their physique and the training they have done, or not done, in order to acheive their goals seems completely unfair to me. I love your point about how cyclists don't get criticised for having small arms - adaptation is sports specific and calisthenics is primarily an upper body event. Not everyone needs to be fully developed in every area to be considerd a 'good' athlete - I hope that your example puts that idea into perspective for people. Ultimately it comes down to your goals, like you said. If you want to build whole body functionality and health, train legs. If your goals are all upper body based and you blindly train legs because you've been told you 'should' - then that clearly isn't optimal. Me personally, as a gymnast, I do train legs to help with tumbling, vaulting and landing, but a lot of my goals these days are upper body based, and as a naturally quite tall and heavy gymnast anyway, I need to carefully plan my leg training so that it doesn't interfere with my other targets. Generally I do either very low volume work or plyometrics so that my legs are healthy, explosive and powerful without adding undesireable size - I know a lot of gymnasts who adopt this approach and for me it is the best of both worlds. You clearly put a lot of effort into these videos, and your audience, including myself, appreciates it a lot. Keep the quality content coming man!

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thanks Nathan!!! Its so awesome to hear that from you

[@natcomber13]

@@FrinksmovementTV you're welcome dude, I'm currently catching up on all your stuff that I've missed and really impressed with your knowledge and thorough approach! ☺️👍

[@roberttaylor8906]

when i was training exclusively calisthenics consistently, my go to workout format was 4 exercises: an upper body push, single leg squats on one leg, upper body pull, single leg squats on the other leg. at one point i was doing 50-100 single leg squats per leg per day for 5 days with the easiest upper body exercise often being handstand push ups against the wall. i never got over 140 pounds. maybe i just wasn't eating enough but i suspect single leg squats aren't as apt to pack on leg muscle as barbell squats, but they're a good exercise to keep your legs lean, athletic, and strong enough. if pull ups are "good enough" for the muscles involved for someone who is just trying to be fit and healthy and fairly strong, then pistol squats are even better for the legs for those things because they are harder than pull ups on a one to one basis - at least for men.

[@pixmma9627]

Hey Robert, I hope you see this comment because I know it's a year old but I am very interested in your story. TLDR at bottom. I have been attempting a fitness journey on myself to see how big and muscular I can get with body weight only exercises. I stumbled across some research that found that you can really big muscles using higher rep ranges such as 25-30. This was great news for me as I had almost given up on gaining size. Most body building advice online said it had to be sets of 8-12 reps for building large muscles. Further, most of the top tier calisthenics guys and gymnasts were athletic but not big. Even Calisthenics youtubers tend to agree that you can't get big with bodyweight only but they train for skills not size like Frinks. However, if it's possible to get big with repetitions into the 30+ range...have you ever seen someone who can do 30 1-arm pushups in a row? What about 30 1-arm pullups? Shouldn't there be an insane amount of muscle building to get out of those exercises?? And I'm talking about training like a bodybuilder not a gymnast who is doing skill work such as grease the groove and stuff. So...you mentioned doing 50-100 repetitions of pistol squats and your legs not being big and I want to know more about that. Did you train to failure? How many sets did you do? How many repetitions did you do per set? How tall are you and how old were you when you were training that way? I am so very interested to learn more. TLDR: I found some research that says that, in theory, you can get big legs from high rep sets. You said you were doing 50+ pistol squat repetitions a day and your legs were small. Please tell me more!

[@roberttaylor8906]

@@pixmma9627 thanks for the comment! for pistols iirc i was keeping it somewhere between 8 and 15 reps (i don't think i ever did more than 20 in a single set, although alternating legs each rep is a reasonable way to chip away at that), although i focused more on form than increasing reps. the thing about pistol squats: i find it easy to keep the form tight for the purpose of apt muscle loading through the eccentric phase *if* you hold your extended foot with your hand (i would typically thread my middle finger through the Xs in my shoelaces if i was wearing my chucks - flat shoes are best if you're wearing shoes as thick heels makes the exercise easier and effectively gives you elevation, which isn't ideal for difficulty and optimization), but if you're doing it without touching your free foot, you can increase the overall challenge thusly, requiring your hip flexors of the free leg to do more work to keep the form tight (the exercise is harder if you keep your leg parallel to the floor throughout the rep), and furthermore by progressing your hand position (arms extended out in front of you is easier than arms crossed is easier than hands crossed behind your head is easier than hands behind your lower back). i don't think i went on long periods of time where i was doing high rep pistols, but i did start adding weight to pistols at a certain point. i don't really remember the specific details of how many days/weeks/months i did specific programming for that exercise, i was in my mid-20s and trained calisthenics consistently for probably about 5 years. im 34 now and currently focus on armwrestling training. i suspect that some of it has to do with age, but in the last 2 or 3 years i shot up to 150-160, and am floating between 150-155 with zero extraneous effort to maintain that. although, unfortunately, my training motivation isn't as consistent as it once was. currently i've been consistent for about 5 weeks, and i just went to a tournament on saturday. i'm about 5'8 and want to get to 176.

[@Philipp_-cp2xw]

I trained legs long time ago and I was able to squat 160kg for like 5 reps or so. Then I started calisthenics and I neglected legs to achieve skills faster. Now I can do a full front lever, one arm pull ups, Handstand, back lever, victorian and other skills with 184cm and 82kg.But because im now more interested in boxing l, I will start training my legs more again.Doing planches and stuff is cool, but I want to be a complete athlete, so legs are important. Also, my upper body is huge, my legs are okay, but they need a bit more size now.

[@CarecaRusso]

@theeditor1072 I am 185 and 75kgs. 🤣

[@antboooy]

I've been into calisthenics for a couple years now. I enjoy the convenience, minimal equipment, can be performed almost anywhere. Lately I've been including body weight squats, lunges, and coss hack squats, various other leg mobility/flexibility movements. As a kid and teenager, I had more muscular legs because I was always walking, biking, skating everywhere. So far my 20's have been spent driving a lot more and walking and using my legs a lot less. Literal chicken legs (at my lightest I was down to 110 as a 5 foot 9 adult) Lately thanks to the likes of k boges, the pioneer and other like minded influencers, I've taken a more practical approach. Addressing weak points, building strength and mobility back. I'm up to 120+ lbs and I've solved back pain issues due to tight hamstrings. Literally I started stretching out, and getting muscularity back in my legs, back pain GONE. I've been feeling the best I've been in years and the gains are sickkk Movement is medicine, it will provide longevity.

[@jonhy1398]

I think that not training legs just for win competitions is ok, you can think its something neccesary and i agree. But the people that dont train legs and dont compete, that is really stupid. Of course everyone can decide what to do, but lets be honest the most part of them dont do it because they dont like it, and the rest are excuses, because they dont compete in anything

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thanks for sharing your stance! 👍

[@FacePullTiToX]

WORD. Unless you are a competitive athlete whose performance can negatively be affected by leg training, you should train your legs in some capacity (if only for overall health and once every 7-10 days). The idea of strength training cannot be separated from the human body and since the musculature of the lower body could take up to 60-70% of your mass, I don't subscribe to the idea of skipping leg day altogether. Some stimulation that is not conducive to hypertrophy in the legs could always be justified. Just my two cents.

[@tstreino]

Great video as usual my friend! and i 100% agree it all comes down to goals, specificity and most important respect! me myself i like to train legs even tho i do realize they can make progress in calisthenics harder i guess from a health standpoint over life should be considered, if anybody one of the specialist just don’t focus too much

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Yeah Iago! Thank you 👍

[@FacePullTiToX]

Amazing content. Your editing skills are as great as your calisthenics game. Congrats on the subs surge. Keep it up, bro.

[@NewAgeWorkout]

TRAIN LEGS MAN. New sub 👊

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thank you so much!

[@AM-dn1iq]

U didnt mention how If skip something like glutes ur posture will worsen

[@MassimoKokhno]

Interesting topic and well covered in the video. I'm grateful to people with untrained or atrophied legs for unlocking some almost impossible upper body moves and showing them to the world. Though some short guys like Matteo Spinazzola have pioneered some new upper moves despite huge legs. With things as they are, for most competitions (except some streetlifting ones where squats are included) stick legs are an advantage, and being good at that stuff makes some people a living with prizes and sponsorships etc. It would be cool to have some competitions where both upper and lower bodyweight moves matter, I've only seen rawsthenics rewarding completeness of that kind. Quality of life during old age is very related to limiting muscle mass loss, I don't know if leg day skippers are at risk of missing out on that and having trouble to walk or being unable to stand up from the toilet without assistance or if it's unlikely to be a problem. I don't have the attitude to become a professional calisthenics athlete so I train for myself and I'm trying to reach the level where I can do both one arm muscle ups and one leg Nordic curls, even though they are goals that interfere with each other.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thank you Massimo! Ive been waiting for your comment. And as always im not disapointed. Given the fact i talked about calisthenics only in terms of upper body - completely skipping legs part i thought you might be a bit negative towards it. But it just shows how you are not biased towards anything and just care about a good discussion. Thank you so much once again.

[@mansouriamine94]

Hi! It's super important to work on legs cuz imbalances creates injuries,the legs are supporting the whole body after all but i understand people who are really into calisthenics will disagree!

[@look.k12]

if i run a lot that's still good?

[@doriansw305]

They do not support your body while you're doing calisthenics skills. Strong and big legs are necessary if you're gonna be using them for skills such as postol squats, and high jups. Otherwise it is counterproductive to your goals.

[@erickpatino9221]

Great content! And I agree totally with you, it all certainly depends on your goals and not to feel yourself obligated to train in some way because anyone else says so. I am actually more interested in upper body strength but for aesthetics I frequently do BW squats or Step ups along the week. Enough to mantain active and balanced that area but not too much to take out from me that useful time to train for my main goals

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Yes exactly! Glad you agree with me and thank you ;) Already planning on new stuff

[@STEELPHIT]

I always recommend to calisthenics athletes (as I used to be one from age 12-20) who come into my clinic/office for treatment, the core needs to be able to support the weight of the legs. A lot of high level male gymnasts have well built legs, and can still support the entire body with upper-body closed chain drills through an integrated core. Core, legs, upper body - it is all to be addressed and integrated! Keep working brother! I like your channel - Just subscribed! Let’s support each other on KZbin and grow the community. Looking forward to continued engagement. Keep working!

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thank you! Appreciate it!

[@salvadorromero9712]

Where are these elite male artistic gymnasts with great big legs? More to the point, compare even them to the still rings specialists, and especially those with no aspirations to master other apparatuses. Floor and vault (to say nothing of all the other forms of gymnastics) require substantial leg strength. Competitive calisthenics does not. Leg weight seriously impedes performance, and leg strength does little to help it. For an athlete of normal untrained leg strength, strength training targeting the legs has no place as a calisthenics training goal. It's best for academics and practitioners to be clear and honest about such things. The athlete is also a human being, so the practitioner can help the client come to an informed balance between performance goals for the sport in question and other life goals that may affect training. Commonly, especially below the elite level, a _lot_ of balance and compromise will be in order. Most of these commenters, for instance, have other sports of interest, or want big legs for strength or aesthetics or whatever. Most of course are not even calisthenics athletes at all, just people interested in the use of bodyweight in resistance training. In any case they can clearly be made to see the landscape clearly and will end up training legs (as will many serious calisthenics athletes too, with eyes wide open as to why this is a conscious compromise to performance training that they're making).

[@arnaudjouanin7561]

great points made! Keeping haters at bay ;) Also, making a choice doesn't have to be for all eternity.. you can have generalistic full body periods of time and then decide to go all in on one thing for some time

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Yes! Thank you! And very well said ;)

[@amitsingh14]

Found your channel with press to handstand video last night , immediately subbed and bing watching since then. Awesome content, very soon you will reach to new heights. Cheers

[@marcbrown5773]

Wow your channel is really one of a kind! Keep it up! Like no other, the in depth analysis on everything. The topics.. A+ One day you'll be big don't worry Regarding leg training, I train calisthenics not for competition but to get in shape and to be strong. So I train legs about 30% of my exercise time and the rest 70% upper body/core. I feel strong legs are important to be an all around athlete. And I respect the challenge u have with english not being your mother tounge, I also didn't grow up with english as my 1st language. Thanks again and keep it up. I'm telling my friends to subscribe to your channel

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thank you! Highly appreciated! And thank you for the support Marc

[@flamechannelus]

Love your videos! Edit, explanations, research... everything is perfect! But I dont think you shouldn't train legs if you wanna do better statics, i noticed huge improvement in my full planche when I started training legs (especially glutes) because glutes connect our lowet and upper body and make it more stable! The most important body parts for levers are: ABS, GLUTES and LOVER BACK!

[@arihaviv8510]

But should they be bigger through lots of volume

[@lebrato3337]

Imo just get a basic level leg strength. That way you won't gain weight and you will have a more functional body and be more respected for what it's worth. I really don't see an issue with that.

[@sirliamgalvez5276]

For me most of my leg training consists of just running 5km, 10km, 15km and in the past 5 months I developed really ripped calves and I really didn't mind taking my time at all because it felt fun.

[@wadees8442]

Very late reply, but does running really build legs? I've asked this question and people have answered no and set marathon runners as an example. I've always enjoyed running and I had a friend who ran 5k daily and he had insane legs. He was also afraid of doing squats because he thought it would stunt his growth. If I ran 3 times a week 3-8km, would it be sufficient to build at least normal looking legs?

[@Nofrontleverforme]

@@wadees8442well since most people don’t even go to the gym I think you’d get normal/average legs since the average is alrdy really small

[@davidkohout3981]

Hello just came across your video and while the premise is very interesting, I would like to raise some points. TLDR.: I think not training legs as a whole is just as bad as overtraining them. Now the longer version :) When you mentioned 4 layers of specificity I think leg training for calisthenics athletes (by which I mean guys focused on tricks and skills) would fit better into the 3rd layer. It does hinder your performance in the short term, but in the long term it aids in progressively overloading these excercises thus making you stronger as a whole. And I know you are all about relative strength to your bodyweight but imagine this scenario: You have a competition in 3 months -> your performance needs to peak in 3 months so you split your training plan into 3 cycles. 1st cycle would be like 70-30 split between hypertrophy training (weights) with skill practice focused on maintaining (legs trained 2x a week). you do that for 3 weeks then deload for a week with pure skills training and lower intensity, 2nd cycle would be 50/50 with "hypertrophy" training using calisthenics excercises (legs trained 1x a week or 1x every two weeks) and shifting the focus more towards skills. Last cycle would include a diet to lose weight and 100% skills training. IMO this aproach would grant you better performance in 3 months than just pure skills training all the time. Also don't forget benefits of leg training -> hip flexor strength and improved compression.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Hello David, I appreciate your comment. The fact you clearly watched the whole thing and presented your opinion. You definitely raise some good points. Im not completely sure if i agree, but have many things to test on myself - this will surely be one of those to consider. Thanks!

[@vugiart3946]

This video helped me a lot! I was like really traumatised about if I should train or not train my legs, even some of my friends that I train with said that I really dont need to train lower body because I do mostly static movements and bit of dynamics, where is more endurance important than strength by itself, my brother said that I have chicken legs, and that one hit me really hard :"( Even so, I train legs time to time but not consistently as I train my upper body. Most of my lower body workouts is like a 5 min bike ride to the park and 5 mins back, like, that's mostly what I do. I have quite good but reasonably sized quads to not interfere with my progress in static training. But man, awesome editing! it's really helpful and informative video! Keep it up!

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Man thats fantastic! And thank you so much! New video coming up in couple of days

[@MikeDG00]

your voice and accent always reminds me of calimove's eleggs

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Yeah haha someone told me that already!

[@michaelcharach7447]

Great videos. So glad I found your channel. Please keep posting. I love your analytical thinking

[@fwoggangidk]

Solutions : Don't train. Train Strength instead of Hypertrophy. It's seriously that simple.

[@weshallneversurrender]

Great video sir. I like the way you summed it up as being a personal choice. At the end of the day everyone has their own reason for why they train, and unless it's specifically to impress others, then they shouldn't care what other people think. I am an advocate of legs training and I combine powerlifting and calisthenics into single routines. Will it make the skills are the more difficult? Of course yes, but I'm one of those people who loves a real challenge and defying the odds 😉 Anyway, I am so happy to see the growth in your channel bro, you really deserve it. Congrats and I am sure 1000 subs will be coming up soon! 😁👏👏 Keep on firing bro 🔥🔥🔥

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Man thank you so much! Yes i respect all opinions! And to be honest thats my goal! We dont have to be so rude to each other/ judgemental/ and represent totally different teams because of it. We are all doing good, productive thing for us which is training our bodies. og and love the fact you combine powerlifting and cali - i think you mentioned it already. And thank you for your last words. Lets GET IT! 👍💪

[@weshallneversurrender]

@@FrinksmovementTV Am I right in saying that you do train legs? And via weighted squats? You seem to have a fair bit of knowledge with powerlifting so I've found that coming through in your vids. I'm currently trying to master my handstand pushups and I've certainly felt the impact of leg growth on that. What has been your experience with regards to leg training and the impact on your HSPUs?

[@FrinksmovementTV]

So, i stopped training legs after transitioning to home training (quarantine) now im gonna slowly reintroduce it after coming back to gym next week. And good question. Tbh in HSPUs / OAC and other vertical skills i think it wont be such a big difference like in planche or front lever - as the center of mass wont apply as much. So yeah i achieved 5x5 full ROM HSPUs (not perfect form) when was training legs. And now im much weaker despite i dont train them. But planche for instance is better, so it really makes sense

[@harrisoncancino68]

Glute training is very important to hold planche.

[@mdabusaqibalamansari9979]

I don't want to go to gym and train at home so I watched KZbin videos and decide to do calisthenics as my excercise to become healthier. i am not an athlete i am just a regular person who is a bit health conscious. So I do train my legs, I don't care if I will be able to hold a full planch or not cause that's not my goal, my goal is to become healthier by excercising.

[@Nitenman]

I feel like I'm in between the two styles, I will train legs 1x per week but push and pull 2x per week. Also leg training would be mainly running, pistol squats and explosive movements... this way my legs are almost in proportion to my upper body (though leaning toward the small side) but lever skills are still fairly accessible. I just hated having legs that looked out of proportion so its probably more of a vanity thing really

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Hmm gotcha man. Really interesting point of view 👍

[@parix85]

Exactly my plan lol you read my mind. Had this same question after i watched the video almost one month in my calisthenics. My legs training mainly consists of sprints and squats without weights while i have the average upper body workouts. Pull-ups pushup etc. Been practicing my handstand want to work my way into handstand push up and all that stuff. Started wondering If my leg workout would interfere with that.. I mean cant i have both. A balanced body all round and be able to do body weight fits like the ones i see people do??

[@BarRookie]

Man you are growing super fast! Keep it up brother. Amazing content!

[@L_U_L_U255]

Massive legs are definetly a disadvantage but if you really think aboit it: the muscles which are used in planche are also glutes and hamstrings to lift the legs up. And there are other exercises which are using the quads for example v-sit or manna and also the fl to certain degree. And if you want some calfs you can try to achieve a baclflip to planche, which is also mad impressive. So massive legs are definitly a high disadvantage but you need a strong lower body to a certain degree. So i kinda disagree with this video.

[@simonwang5107]

I learned the front lever and now am progressively overloading it with leg training lmao

[@anthonywilson1754]

This is a really great video. I'm age 21 and started gymnastics at age 4 in Ukraine. I was later adopted by older American couple and raised I rural farm country USA. They don't about male gymnasts and I was bullied. At age 16 I was the most ripped muscular boy in class and working my abs all the time. I had skinny legs. But they never said anything about my legs and mostly about my very muscular 8 pack. One hot summer night I was all alone doing a bar workout and 3 older boys from school came to me. They held me in a full nelson and spent a lot of time throwing punches to my abs. I took their punches well and that caused them to keep punching. I decided then that I needed a lot more lean muscle mass. So some athletes at school took pity after seeing me all beaut. They taught me to lift weights for hypertrophy. And they said I had to build up my legs. They understood gymnasts hate heavy legs but said if I wanted to gain the lean muscle mass I had to commit to building legs. They never made fun of me for chicken legs but asked me to train their abs. They were impressed with how muscular my abs are but more that I could take punches so well. I got them to train me to take punches which I did for next 2 years. My legs grew. I was also addicted to aggressive abdominal training and my strength went up that helped in gymnastics to move my legs. But with heavy squats and deadlifts my gymnastics suffered. It also suffered as I got deeper into letting athletes "train" my abs to take punches. I left gymnastics after 14 years. As my legs grew my form changed to compensate--you didn't mention this but joints will be affected as form changes to compensate for heavier legs. I had joint issues that developed from heavier legs. My abdominal strength really improved by doing heavy weighted abs exercises and taking punches and medicine ball throw downs gave me a lot of excess strength for gymnastics. But the form change created joint problems. After leaving gymnastics I need to heal my joints. And I got too deep into whole activity of taking punches and muscular friends of mine enjoyed holding me to take their punches and shin kicks. I am now 5'10" and weigh 180 pounds with 5-6% body fat. I miss gymnastics and still do bar workouts (found Eastern European bar athletes and see these are my people). I love this video. And I've only judged athletes by their abdominal development. To me a strong core is essential for every sport. And I saw too many gymnasts with a weak core AND they complained they can't perform as they want. Thanks and glad to meet you. Anton

[@luisaraujo2300]

Damn bro you're crazy man i loved that story, I only got one question, how did training legs affect your progress? I know you said that it hurt your joints and affected your form, but, did it really made it harder or just made your form change? Also bro i don't think the guys that punch you in your shin are your friends. Glad to meet you aswell. Luis

[@anthonywilson1754]

@@luisaraujo2300 I never wanted big heavy legs as a gymnast so never did heavy legs workouts and never with weights. As I got larger more muscular and heavy quads some skills got more difficult--pommel for example. LOL--they didn't punch me in my shins. They threw shin kicks to my abs to build harder abs. It was complicated with friends after I got beat up. The wrestlers told me they always admired how hard I trained for gymnastics. Some of the wrestlers loved abs training and when they saw how well I took punches they wanted to train abs with me. But they also manipulated me into letting them do things to me more for their fun than to help me train. They were friends back then but also guys who liked having me around to be shirtless and take their punches. I grew over 2 inches in high school and added over 20 pounds of solid muscle. I had friends to lift weights with and some guys in particular loved that I wanted to train my abs to take hard punches. As I got really good at it I naturally wanted to keep making progress. My friends would many times got too much into it and I let them beat me up sometimes really bad. But a few days later I felt ready for more. It was not healthy for me of course. The night of my high school graduation they set up an abs marathon for some of us. We met in the wrestling workout rooms and over the next 4 hours worked the fuck out of our abs. And I took a lot of stupid hard punches during and between sets of abs exercises. I took lots of rests but it was my graduation. So I hydrated and got back up to take more abuse. They were friends but some like brothers (I'm adopted and only child) and brothers beat each other up. It's hard to explain. I knew they were using me for their fun but I had fun too showing off. Many times I even told guys they could punch harder or say I was up to keep going. I later realized I was a bit addicted to taking punches. I also abused ibuprofen to keep making progress. It's all nuts looking back. I'm age 21 now and haven't taken punches since that night of high school graduation. That night was one of the most intensive thing I put my body through. Taking so many hard body shots affects the whole body.

[@luisaraujo2300]

@@anthonywilson1754 My bad bro, i didn't read well, i see how it affected you, it's a good story, i know you think brothers beat each other up but that's not true i have a brother and we only fought like 2 times and when we were kids but maybe that's something you thought because of how the things were going with them or cause you also had fun, the thing is do you still workout abs like that? Do they still punch you in your abs when you workout or when you don't workout? Thank you for responding man I'm grateful it's a great story. Luis

[@anthonywilson1754]

@@luisaraujo2300 They were mostly fine and great friends. I really liked them as friends. Most of them were also wrestlers and that meant a lot of physical contact and roughhousing (that's a word I heard). There were 2 wrestlers who were preoccupied with me and my abs workout. They were in great shape and had amazing abs. But they also talked me into taking punches at odd times--like during the school day. They had me meet them in a school basement area away from people. So during the school day I'd be shirtless in a full nelson taking their fists to "train" me. I would then get very sweaty and my face and abs very red. I"d then dry myself and go to next class looking a mess. I went along so they wouldn't make a scene in school. Do I still take punches? No. After graduation night I knew I needed to stop. They knew it was my last night to have fun at school and I would move away soon after. They had me do a lot of intensive abs exercising including taking lots of hard punches. I knew it was probably the last time working out with these amazing guys. I really told them to make it a hard workout. We had all night so not in any hurry. When I rested and recovered I was back to working abs again. By that night I was 5'9" tall and weighed 185 pounds. I had 5-6% body fat and wore only gym shorts that barely hung on my hips. We had fans going and I hydrated constantly. I took long rests before they had me continue. It was fun overall and we had fun talking and dreaming. I was also wanting to see how long I could last. I started training abs as soon as I started gymnastics at age 4 and never stopped. My last 2 years of high school were the best part of my life in part because of the friends I made who were not gymnasts. They treated me well even if I let them have fun too much letting them pound on my abdominal wall. They were very creative in how I would take punches and kicks and that was fun a lot. Rarely did they ever force me to do anything I didn't let them do. I was not in a good place with mental health and was raising myself by age 13. Adoptive parents divorced when I was age10 and mom had her own issues. I made money to pay for gymnastics fee (NOT cheap). My mom never learned how badly I got beat up. Her dad died and then her mom had health issues. She moved to take care of her mom when I moved after high school. So I made a lot of poor decisions I've not told you about of course. The summer I turned age 18 I started making money letting guys at the lake and camp grounds throw punches to my shredded 8 pack. A wrestler said he knew guys who would pay "good money" to punch the fucking muscular abs of a gymnast. We tried it one night and it was easy money. So a few wrestlers went with me to camp grounds. We'd take tents and find a campground. We hiked and swam and had fun. But we looked for guys willing to pay to punch me. My friends did the talking saying I was earning money and could easily take their punches. But some nights some guys offered a lot of money but wanted to get very rough. My friends were great to keep things from getting out of control. But several nights I let strangers with cash work me over with bare knuckle punches. The "good thing" is that throwing punches without gloves is hard on the hands. But the "bad thing" is that the skin on my abs got chewed up. But they paid a lot of money and I let them have fun. It was a balance of how much punishment I could take daily. The worse I looked the easier it was to find young guys who wanted in on punching me. Some guys though didn't hit very hard and were happy to pay to help me out. I wanted to buy a truck and this is what we told the guys. I also got a dark tan to help cover up the accumulated punch marks. I'm surprised I survived high school. That summer was fun. I recovered fast and ate ibuprofen for pain. And I've worked my abdominals all my life and I took it as a good physical challenge. I also enjoyed seeing their expressions. Held in a full nelson they think I'm totally vulnerable--I'm held and all 4 rows of my abdominals are open for them to punch me. But in reality when I'm held in a full nelson the guy holding me pulls my torso back and I contract my abs harder to pull him back forward. That creates a lot of tension on my abdominals so the punches often just bounce off the muscle. The other great thing is that by then I'd done hanging leg raises for over 12 years. That made my lower abs rows extremely muscular and rock hard. My friends with me told the guys they could go wild on my bottom rows. So the guys paying lowered my gym shorts so they had full view to punch those bottom rows. But the reality is that those lower rows could take lots of hard punches for a long time. Some guys aimed for the top row of abs and those punches were the worst. But most guys aimed low. I'm age 21 and I've not taken hard punches since high school graduation. I'm not that person any more. I still train my abs 6 days a week but only doing exercising. In high school we developed something we called SAT--like the exam to get into college. But for us SAT meant "Severe Abdominal Training." In school we could say we need to study for the SAT and others didn't know what we really meant. SAT involved (1) high reps abs exercising, (2) heavy resistance abs exercising, and (3) "impact training"--taking hard punches and kicks to the abdominal muscle. I did SAT for about 18 months. Impact training also included taking medicine ball throw downs to my contracted abs lying on a wrestling mat. I could hang from the pull up bar and take punches. The guys build a "punching station" from the squat rack by raising the bar so I could put my arms over it. I would contract my abs and lean down on the bar. Guys took turns coming in to throw hard punches. The goal of Impact training was to help me build up the capacity to take hard punches. We learned a lot how this works with the help of boxers and a guy in karate. I've told you a lot! On a college tour I visited a university that had a boxing club. I was 18 and showing off. And I let several college guys have fun throwing sick hard punches to my 8 pack. I was stupid and told them I could take it. They didn't hold back. I felt punches of guys who trained to throw punches. But I said I was fine and "keep going." I even the next day saw one of those guys in the gym who hoped I was okey. The truth is that they really made my abs very sore. But I said I was fine and would be up for more. So we met up later and he brought a friend. Fortunately I told them that I was fairly fatigued but if they focused on the lower 2 rows of abs I could take more hard punches. So I let 2 guys I didn't know in the boxing club punch the fuck out of me about an hour before I left to drive back home. I remember feeling great how I lasted. But the next day my whole body was very sore. My back and shoulders and not just my abdominals. Part of me really misses this kind of training but I know I cannot get back into the patterns. I don't want to be that guy.

[@luisaraujo2300]

@@anthonywilson1754 Man it's so interesting how you developed, I'm glad you told me all this and I'm glad you don't take hard punches anymore but man i gotta say you're the fucking guy man how could you keep up with those boxers damn ur crazy but bro i hope you're doing great right now after all you've been through you got amazing abs genetics and resistance i say you shouldn't go back to that and let people punch you cause that can have severe consequences, well you already know for sure, Again thanks for having the confidence to tell me all this and i hope you become successful in your life man after all you've been through you deserve it, greetings from Venezuela, Luis.

[@danzim3617]

That was very informative. Great content as always. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪

[@xxMADxxSCIENTISTxx]

I reckon this video could be better with more quantitative approach included. For instance: yeah, it's quite obvious that big legs are going to make your planche more challenging... but how much more? Maybe some comparison like 'big legs vs smaller legs with weight added near ankles' would be helpful here? The second remark: it could be interesting to consider the cases of certain elite ring specialists like Zanetti who are also very strong on the floor.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thaese are solid points. Thank you!

[@xxMADxxSCIENTISTxx]

@@FrinksmovementTV Just my 0.02$ :) This chanel is top-tier quality. You seem to be one of the very few who are able and willing to tackle these calisthenics related questions with such an in-depth approach.

[@Kevin-be9iy]

strong legs are important just for being a functional human, you don’t need tree trunk legs but definitely muscular legs. they won’t impact your skills as much as it’s dramatized to be, just slightly more work will need to be done. legs 2-3 times a week with a moderate heavy squat is all you need. only a small % who make a living out of not needing legs is understandable (gymnasts or competitive cali athletes), but the rest of us need it

[@Han-nk3io]

I got tree trunks without heavy squats. So i skip it or training it very little. i got 24 inches thighs at 5'6 doing bodyweight squats and everyday running.

[@Paroex]

If you have access to a steep hill within a reasonable distance, I honestly think that hill sprints are hard to beat when it comes to what you get back from your invested time. Depending on how you vary the number of sprints, rest time, hill incline, and effort, you target: - Lower body strength - Lower body power/explosiveness - Lower body hypertrophy - Cardiovascular conditioning - Metabolic conditioning - Mental fortitude (they are very taxing) - Growth hormone stimulation - Testosterone stimulation I'm not saying that they are the optimal choice for every single specific goal. If you for example want maximum quadriceps growth then certainly leg extensions would be the way to go. But when it comes to an exercise which gives you appreciable results in all of the categories I listed, hill sprints are hard to beat.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Very valuable info, thank you I honestly never tried it, just conentional leg training

[@iFkNxLegend]

I train legs but not in the traditional squat and deadlift way. I do one leg skipping as part of my warmup every session, I’m working on my pistol squat progressions, I do calf jumps and box jumps, and once a week I get on the exercise bike for cardio. I don’t know if this counts but I also train my feet I’m not one of these specific performance athletes so I take an approach from strong first when it comes to training. If you can’t do it get stronger. Can’t do a front lever with you’re heavy legs? Get stronger until you can

[@aldri346]

These videos are really high quality i can't believe it only has 5k views

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thank you. I truly truly appreciate it 🙏🏻

[@Adj72]

most of the routines already give static leg training. it does not increase the size but rather increase the endurance. on the dynamic side, ive never seen critics doing nordic leg curls nor pistols. most cant even jump higher than their waist for plyo. flexibility is also determined by the strength of the opposing muscles, and the tensor latae for lateral thigh.

[@TimotheSurYT]

Dude your videos are just crazy ! Love your channel, keep it up !

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Glad you like them!

[@virgileoiseaux3560]

9:48 now that's a sick move 😍😍🔥 Very impressive.

[@jhf99991]

Just did leg day felt great never imagined there was there was a whole massive debate around a topic like this

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Haha, I think its not some massive debate, its just about choosing ones priorities ;) Btw I always make things more serious than they actually are in the videos, its just what i do for fun haha

[@fractal_gate]

Thanks for all the hard work you put into these videos.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thank you! Actually, today I release the new video. Stay tuned!

[@Han-nk3io]

Endurance runners skip their upper body all the time but people are very defensive about callisthenics athletes not training their legs.

[@FinnMoveYT]

I mean i deadlift Heavy once a week and i Ride my bike 2x a week and i think thats enough leg Training considering That i just Want to be a Bit More atheltic. yes IZ definetly makes my hspu harder but if its not hard than it’s no fun

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Nice! Actually in your situation, its pretty good choice! Keep it up 👍

[@bartomiejpiela4926]

Hi, I do leg workout and honestly I would never let myself to skip it not only because of the visual disproportion of the body but also due to the fact that if you focus on the pistol-squat leg workout you need to focus on good stretch of hamstrings to make proper form of this exercise which later results in an easier press to handstand movement. I would rather improve managing my time to rest better and to eat better than skip leg day.

[@emmanuelguerra8126]

In my opinion, even if your goal is to train for strength and strength skills, then training legs will make it harder for you to do such skill/exercise which you’ll need to train that much harder and push yourself more thus gaining more strength in the long run. So If your really after strength and strength skills on the upper body or full body then you need to train legs even if it’s harder.In fact now that it’s harder it should be better for you because you want to get stronger and will equal more gains. So if you don’t want to train legs then your cheating yourself and your cutting yourself short from true strength, overall progress on any goal you have, and your true potential and athleticism.

[@maximofernandez196]

I think it is not a matter of just taking relative strength in account, but rather thinking about absolute strength. Yeah, it seems that you aren't making progress, but you are. You are literally handling with more weight that you wouldn't be able to lift before After watching the video, I think that the other position is completely fair, too. Especially when you talked about sports. Cause it is true, nobody expects a football player to have anything more than legs. Thank you so much for the content B)

[@tantan1626]

In my opinion I think no matter what your goal is you can still work legs in a appropriate manner and it will have a positive out come sooner or later. Strong legs don't have to be bulky. You will have an overall control of your lower body even if you workout for skills. Just my take on this subject.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Good point for sure

[@tantan1626]

@@FrinksmovementTV btw I really love all your contents brother. They actually make me realize a lot of things in the calisthenics world. Or fitness in general🙏🏾

[@FrinksmovementTV]

@@tantan1626 So awesome to hear!

[@HylianHanzou]

The general message you give is priceless. I personally do train legs because my idea of my body's true potential includes strong and flexible legs, also because I want to compete in pro mma so I can't afford to have weak legs! But you're right, why we don't say a thing about swimmers not having strong legs, or about cyclists not having muscular upper bodies? Why do they get that pass and those calisthenics specialists don't?

[@auroremalvezin5883]

Thank you for letting us decide wether it is good for us to train our legs. But more than that, thank you for giving the explanation about the reason people in Calisthenics do not train their legs much.

[@1h1tst4in6]

Squats are weighted calisthenics just like the weighted pullups. Why not think of them in that way? What's more impressive at the end of the day? A 500lb squat or a planche? As long as you stay lean, your weighted pullup won't change too much by adding 10 lbs of legmuscle.

[@ant7936]

Another factor is maintenance of muscle mass in later life. This is more important for the older bodyweight trainer than pure skills.

[@rinokostic]

Great topic, even greater information. Keep it up!

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Much appreciated!

[@WiyamMang]

You have the only channel out there right now that actually covers calisthenics on topics that go past beginner level information. Although I love them as well, you explore the intermediate level topics that few other youtubers dive into and for that I personally want to thank you. If you can, please cover periodization in one of you videos as I feel it's a very complicated topic and you would be the perfect dude to do it.

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Hey so first of all, thank you for your words I really appreciate it. I actually have two videos planned right now. And im gonna do my best to upload in following 6 weeks. One of them actually covers this topic (at least thats how it is planned). Videos take a long time to make, but i made a decision to keep it this way and just go 100% for quality on this youtube channel. Thank you once again

[@Tomato_Dragonzord]

Almost every competitive level sport is not good for your health in some way and requires you to develop your body in an unhealthy way for some specific results (bodybuilding is quite common example). So it's all the matter of a choice, if your choice is to sacrifice your health for competitive performance and you're aware of possible consequences, nothing wrong about that and you ain't giving a crap about those who try to judge you.

[@mercutioescalus6782]

Leg training releases a heck of a lot more hgh which boosts your upper body gains too. There isn’t really a reason to not train legs other than “I don’t like it”

[@FrinksmovementTV]

Thank you for sharing your stance 🙏🏻

[@fernandomartins8948]

I do calisthenics in the generalist context and because I think calisthenics is a good sport to challenge your complete body, what I mean is that even lower body workout challenges more your body that weight training. For me, this is a good reason for why I train legs, but also the question of a physical activity is that you enjoy what you're doing. One can't say that a professional ring gymnast is not disciplined because he/she skips leg day.

[@tameezdevos8868]

I love your overview of this topic, train in whatever manner is beneficial to your goals 💪

[@manuvaras1454]

seriosly, your content is gold. this is the first time I have ever activated the bell icon in any channel. first. ever. keep up the great work!!!

[@akbarhussain105]

I been searching for this question for a long time. You have answered it perfectly.

[@philippd8844]

Great content mate :) Really like your stuff!

[@tone3560]

Here is an argument: When you get old do you here a lot about leg and lower body pain? No you here about back, neck, hands pain.... So aslong as you do a lot of walking, some mountainbiking and keep up with lower body mobility then who care to have a ballsack muscle on your calf?

[@Alian-vk5rk]

Why i hate calisthenics influenceers Upper body : weighted calisthenics Lowerbody : bodyweight

[@rahdinchowdhury1476]

you can skip them if your interested in calisthenics skills specifically. But in my opinion nobody should skip because your legs are arguably more important for most physical activity and you need a balance. Plus you can still do your calisthenics skills whilst training legs (although it may take longer to perfect it).

[@Dezcher]

Remember Andrea larosa, he train his legs now you see he's strong in static skills train your leg, for additional weight advantage of training your legs, you don't need to buy weight vest for adding weight to your workout, like weighted front lever... etc you don't need to use weight vest. because your mass to your leg is enough it's up to you we are not the same, we have different goals. But the way I train my legs 3x a week with static skills I do both. In Morning I train static, in evening I train my leg and I add some basic exercises, to maintain my strength and endurance. New sub here!👌

[@krameri5]

Building mass is contraproductive, but strenghtening hip flexors and extensors is crucial. Activating adductors and sometimes rotators will also help a lot in the hardest upper body exercises. (Study fascial lines fo more info.) So training legs will help a lot, just aim getting lean instead of bulking. Great video btw!

[@LeagueRandomPlayer]

i don train my legs for volume but i do train them lightly for example 12 to 16 series for all the groups in a week i mean TOTAL. Foor me the important thing is, if you have bigger legs you gonna need more strenght for skills, after that do whatevs

[@antonmayten4927]

If you are not focused on skills as a main goal, training legs is not only beneficial for an overall athleticism where legs are a part of but also training legs benefits the training of other regions of the body, too! Of course it is time and energy used on legs which isn't used on these other muscles but on the other hand the other muscles benefit from the changed metabolism and the generated growth hormones which not only affect the body locally where released. Leg training is special in this case because the muscles there are the biggest in the body and therefore their impact when trained is bigger also. And keep in mind: If your main goal is gaining strengh and hypertrophy and not skills then extra weight in muscles is a extra in weight to train with and to benefit from ;)...

[@shivavidyesh6459]

Andrea Larosa is a well known calisthenics athlete and he has great legs❤️👍

[@stevenboelke6661]

I want to be able to deadlift 220kg. There's a lot of advanced calisthenics movements out there, and I may be entirely closing the door to some, but there will still be several skills out there that I can achieve. I may never get a full planche, but I'm confident that handstand push ups and one-arm pull ups are achievable.

[@Salamaleikum80]

Can you make a video on how to avoid injuring your shoulders with calisthenics? I seem to still make lots of mistakes and get shoulder pain from calisthenics.

[@Stang_Gang_8]

It really just comes down to personal choice and your individual training goals. I think it’s safe to say for 99% of athletes you can only have one or the other. The vast majority of people who can deadlift or squat 220kg+ aren’t any good at calisthenics, and not many people who can front lever or planche can deadlift or squat 220kg.

[@freehatespeech6804]

The full nordic curl is a difficult and aesthetic leg skill in its own right, and a tiny bit of extra hamstring mass isn't going to hurt your front lever.