The Disappearance of Blue

[@Joel-Haver]

Blues music also became much more specific. Ceruleans music, for example, is when the singer is sad because they didn’t eat today. Meanwhile Aquamarines music is when the singer lost their favorite socks.

[@Bailf006]

Damn, haha, this reply could not have gone worse.

[@RamenDenominator]

When I'm feeling azure, I can always count on Joel to lift my spirits.

[@thelordz33]

@@RamenDenominator why? Azure is sky, and therefore, happy blues. Wouldn't it be Azure music that would lift you up when you are feeling indigo or navy?

[@RamenDenominator]

@@thelordz33 oh, yeah, you're right of course. Sorry for being chartreuse.

[@Epinardscaramel]

@@Bailf006 I mean he could have insulted him, or doxxed him, or erased his entire channel… so it could’ve gone worse

[@spiralghosts]

Oh so it's a criticism of how when we talk about people in the past, we like to talk about them as if they were stupid, except that'll also happen to our society today. Or maybe it's about how a timetraveller, aliens and the post apocalypse are gonna wreck us. Thanks for the vision, Mattias Pilhede!

[@icantthinkofaname8139]

Yes! I constantly facepalm at the fact that light red = pink and yet cyan, which looks more different to blue than pink to red, is still called blue.

[@raflamar4146]

Makes you wonder how colour will be perceived in the future

[@herminecobainjulesvernedas5177]

It's also about how what we call better is not nessecarily better, but different. Like, in this future, they do not know the color brown (and think that's better)

[@Lucien_M]

That, and it's mainly based around how we "see" or define colour. It reminds me of how some cultures/tribes can identify different shades of blue, but not blue from green

[@lvbboi9]

People weren't stupid back then by their own view, in fact, they were as smart as humans had ever been up to that point

[@Its_crouton]

My whole heart goes out to the one clapping

[@AnarchoJosh]

Same

[@lilywhitetouhou]

Samee

[@Nikolapoleon]

As a graduate student in the discipline of history, I really love this. It's the perfect blend of plausible speculation, absolute nonsense, and senseless platitudes to be absolutely at home in modern history academia.

[@SticklysKingdom]

Glad to see the airlock door button pusher was memorialized.

[@professorp1]

Kind of weird that they memorialized him without his helmet on though.

[@walterissad]

@@professorp1 alternate dimension where he forgot his helmet and died

[@GamingWithHajimemes]

@@walterissad in his memory as one of the dumbest astronauts to live.

[@jismeraiverhoeven]

I also like the text on the statue. "Push yourself". Clear reference to him pushing buttons lol

[@Bob-aaaaa]

1:56 THE CLOCK MOVES

[@stinkystinkypoopystinkypeepee]

yo

[@kappasphere]

It cut away from the clock moving at 0:56 to avoid having to animate the clock moving twice

[@mmaakk32]

Ya, the idea that greeks didn't 'see' blue is kind of absurd and hard for most people to wrap their minds around, because it's not actually what happened, even tho you hear that phrase thrown around a lot. So... good job pointing that out.

[@Adderkleet]

It wasn't named "blue". And there was no blue dye.

[@terrafletcher1930]

@@Adderkleet But blue existed without dyes or name.

[@nidhogg8446]

@@terrafletcher1930 semantics but Blue is not a thing, its a label we put on a section of the electromagnétic Spectrum, that section has always been there but Blue only came to be when we put a name on it Un ironically, Blue is a social construct

[@Yipper64]

I think it gets mixed with this other concept. There was some kind of study that people from some other culture I dont recall, could easily distinguish between shades of green, because they had different names for each. In the test I was able to pick out the move olive-ish green but it wasnt that easy to see. They showed a circle with obviously different shades of blue and they say this culture that could pick out the different green couldnt tell the shades of blue apart.

[@Yipper64]

@@nidhogg8446 at that point you can literally call anything a social construct because it exists but we label it to give it a name. Sheep is a social construct, its an animal that always existed (at least as long as it has existed) but it wasnt "sheep" until we named it.

[@GamingWithHajimemes]

Loving the awkward school presentation vibe.

[@ChromaMoma]

Live, Laugh, Zorflon. Words to live by.

[@GoingToAFuneral]

Mad respect to the 1 alien who clapped the child edit: clapped for*

[@Jackpauler4lyfe]

🤨📸

[@pol2110]

hold up

[@bioticsla]

HE DID WHAT

[@alsimagination]

i think you might have forgotten a word there, dude (but yeah, mad respect to the lil alien who clapped for the kid )

[@shapshapshapshap2829]

That’s grammatically incorrect. When an alien claps anything it is called “probing” you ancient barbarian.

[@elisaelisaross]

I remember while learning English in school, I was surprised there was not a specific word for "light blue", and I was surprised when I heard for the first time an anglophone referring to a light blue object defining it just "blue". If I remember correctly, Ancient Greeks had a word for referring to a general color that could be blue or green. Also if I remember correctly, some anthropological studies on languages indicated how all the languages distinguish dark and light values, and then the first color that is always present in a further distinction of colors is red, and then the others in a specific order, but I don't remember it (which means, the languages that choose to distinguish colors further always pick the same colors in the same order to add new words for them).

[@keithklassen5320]

There are some fairly strict parts of the colour naming sequence, and some very loose parts. You're right about black/white, then red, and I think then things get more variable, altho there are still noticeable trends.

[@christianburke4220]

@@keithklassen5320 how can I find research papers about this subject?

[@nevinmyers1245]

@@christianburke4220 It seems the book that coined or popularized the theory is _Basic Color Terms: Their Universality and Evolution_. It says that languages distinguish color in order of light/dark, then red, then green or yellow, then blue, and then the rest. I'm pretty sure the idea is disputed, but I'd guess there's some truth to at least light and dark coming first then red.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Yeah but this is an issue with language not actual perception a few languages have different names for blues

[@elisaelisaross]

@@NeostormXLMAX Exactly, that's why I never mentioned perception, but only language. At the beginning of these studies some researchers suggested the theory that people in different cultures saw the colours differently, but then this theory was of course proved wrong. However, the name and the meaning given to some colours can influence the importance, or lack of importance, given to the different shades. For example in Western fashion a high number of different shades are distinguishied in the colour area than in daily life is just called "red". An opposite example is the ritual painting of the Abelam people living in the Sepik area (New Guinea) studied by Anthony Forge in the '70-'80 (I can't recommend you a book because he wrote none, but he used to write a lot of short essays): he noticed that in the traditional painting they only used 4 colours: black, red, yellow and white, which they produced locally, but sometimes it happened that through trade with other people or merchants they had also blue and green paint avaiable. However green and blue were not used as if they were a fifth and sixth colours. Green was used exactly like yellow, sometimes even in the same painting were yellow was too, and blue was used as if it were black. The Abelam painters could of course tell the different between these colours when seeing (percieving) them, but they decided to assign to them the same meanings in the paintings, therefore they were like synonyms, perfectly interchangeable. Sorry for the infodump, but I find it interesting and since you highlighted the difference between language and perception, I thought that maybe you could fint this interesting too, in case you didn't know this yet. I hope I didn't bore you.

[@Michael_Pereira]

I love the wall posters: "Don't bully! Machines could maybe have feelings" LOL

[@Call_me_som]

The fact that the clock moves is actually mind-boggling to me

[@asoukes]

It is pretty weird to think about how the way we define things strongly influences how we think about things. I generally try not to think about it too much, but now I will for the next couple of days thanks to this. XD Good vid for sure.

[@benmaiorella6296]

the word "social constructionism" and "social construct" might be useful words to look up in this endeavor

[@hawoaliahmed6996]

the ancient greek could see blue and even manifactured it

[@dasher787]

@@benmaiorella6296 which gender certainly isn't 😊

[@elokin300]

@@dasher787 is this sarcastic?

[@TylerPilz]

The little "Wow!" of his classmate was so cute c:

[@personita2.733]

Not one going to talk about how brown isn't dark yellow but dark orange? I think it's a cool touch, it is either a reference to the fact this is a flawed middle school presentation or that this future society "forgot" about orange

[@StickmanCorp]

Imo it could be either. Orange is the most common representation, but to me Brown can span from dark yellow to dark red.

[@nidhogg8446]

Brown is just smudgy dark

[@RamenDenominator]

Brown is a descriptor for Ween music that is unrefined in a good way. Hail Boognish.

[@Ttegegg]

@@nidhogg8446 nah that’s the poop

[@alexmarian4642]

Brown is dark orange in RGB but dark yellow in RYB

[@Soft_Ghost]

When he said that blue disappeared while showing blue images, I was grinning, waiting for the joke to unfold. Turns out I AM the joke. I feel attacked.

[@HAZUisHere]

i'd like to think Mattias Pilhede is currently practicing his colour theories and got too deep into it, started to philosophize about human perceptions and decided to make this video

[@manuvillada5697]

In Spanish, a more civilized language, we have the word "Celeste" for light blue. The future is now old man

[@mimipeahes5848]

But is there a word for cyan?

[@terranovarubacha5473]

What makes a language civilized?

[@manuvillada5697]

@@terranovarubacha5473 the letter ñ

[@baintreachas]

Wb russian

[@juliamavroidi8601]

I love the one supportive alien classmate

[@quad7685]

Also I love how the color blue is everywhere in this video

[@darkychao]

I'm glad that some point in the future cyan denialism is no longer a thing

[@katieo1787]

Lol once again a fantastic funny to lift the spirits. Your sense of humor and creativity often get me through my day. Thank you for all of the work that you do 💖

[@alex.g7317]

Jesus... how bad are your days then?

[@Wes.Opur0]

I like the one alien that clapped to his work

[@mirkwood579]

I'm not saying that it's a commentary on how people always complain about how many blue crayons are in a 24 box of Crayola crayons but it absolutely could be

[@shudenako]

i like how everything seems so advanced but school still looks the same as 100 years ago

[@SupaSupaKewl]

This reminds me of the word ‘Love’ in English. The Greeks had more words to distinguish different types of love. Agápē, for the highest form of love between spouses; érōs, the love that comes from lust and passion; philía, love between good friends; philautía, love for oneself; storgē, love between parents, children and close family; and xenía, love or hospitality or obligation shown towards strangers and guests. We still have all these feelings and emotions but don’t describe them or talk about them in the same way.

[@waverlyaltis7171]

The art style, the message, the humor, it’s all so charming and lovely. Your videos have a way of making my day

[@vinston5617]

This video fills me with a dread that i cant describe

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Perhaps you are feeling... Blue?

[@nyuh]

The students getting confused when the teacher asked to turn on the green hologram was a nice touch. The teacher is probably old enough to live before the colors got extra differentiated

[@jpickens189]

I love how in the past blue was an expensive and impossibly rare color that barely occurred in nature ad had to be extracted from rare gems and in this future it is just completely omnipresent.

[@nemo-x]

This has such a nice message and is so wholesome i love it so much.

[@Wyks_Dreamz]

This is actually a great way to show how the way we describe things changes our perception of them! And it is said Beautifully ^√^

[@DeltaFlare987]

Nice that the clock hand moved as apart of the animation. It's the little things that matter

[@Coolestboy1]

The reason why we “see more blue” is because blue is at the Centre of the visible light spectrum and sense our eyes see that part of the spectrum the Centre point just have more of that color so light red being pink yes cyan still being blue makes sense

[@lvbboi9]

Watching this in my room made me realize how much blue there is around me. My walls are blue, my curtains are blue...my sandals are blue...my textbook is blue...my pencil case is blue...there are 2 different blue scissors here...there's a blue sweater on the chair...

[@jeefberky9101]

Shoutout to the one kid that clapped, nice guy

[@nyctophobia4573]

Thus, in this very classroom, began the Green War of 2122. Lines were drawn. Friendships were shattered. Entire countries were wiped off the map. But now we know the difference between Green and other colors such as Olive, Mint, Shamrock, Emerald, and Seafoam. For we in the year 2222 are unlike the barbarians of the past century. We are smart. And everyone who lived before is stupid. That concludes my presentation.

[@RamenDenominator]

Blue just wasn't the same after Steve left.

[@amycatass]

I love the detail that he called the people of the past "barbarians," which itself was used as a term for multitudes of different cultures in order to treat them as a single entity and enemy.

[@quad7685]

I think we get too wrapped up in the meaning of words around us, like "Is cereal soup?" or my personal favorite, "Are there more wheels or doors in the world?" And then people argue for eternity about what defines a door and a wheel. The truth is, is that words are not reality itself, but used to define reality. Red, blue, wheels, doors; we are the only thing that gives those words meaning. We could interchange all those words for each other, or replace one of them with "&^*LZ" if we wanted to. Your blue could be my red, or you could see an entirely different set of colors incomprehensible to anyone else, completely unique. "Blue" communicates to someone else that you know at least the relative color spectrum. But to you, "blue" is nothing but a word defining the beauty of vision. Also, vision is just a way of defining reality, too. A hawk can see much better than you, but does that make its reality less valid, or yours? Take a blind person for example: Is blindness a defect, or just another way of experiencing reality? Well, that's something to think about.

[@EdgarAllan2pointPoe]

I had the same idea about color perception several years ago and finally got around to actually researching it just a few months ago. It turns out that there is very good evidence that the average person sees color in more or less the same way. My red will never be your blue. The phenomenon being discussed in this animation is specifically about the relationship between language and color perception. The more specific the names of shades get the easier it is for you to actually perceive the differences. Where things get even more interesting is that every culture in history developed the names for colors in the same order. At first there is only black and white, in other words dark and bright. These terms come first because of our inability to see what dangers may be lurking in the dark, so we stay near the safety of the bright (fire). The next color to get a name always red, the color of blood. Where there is blood there is death, so danger may be near! The next two colors are yellow and green. The order in which those two get named depends on their abundance in the environment. After that we come to blue, which is always on the tail end of the list due to its extreme rarity in the world prior to modern manufacturing. The last color important enough to get its own name before we start naming shades is brown, though I'm not aware as to why. Of course it's important to point out that there are some exceptions to the rules, particularly with languages that don't structure colors into their grammar the same way we do in English. There seems to be at least one language that uses other objects as a prefix to define color. For example they say something like "Tree-Parrot", which could be either a brown or green parrot. They only do this with colors that they don't have names, though the five colors they do have names for are named after objects of that color. When they say "Parrot-Parrot" it means red parrot.

[@laurencefraser]

people generally agree, when not intentionally looking for something to argue about, that cereal is not soup... but it is quite difficult to make a definition of soup that includes all actual soups but excludes cereal (not impossible, but difficult).

[@arbeanies2813]

Aww everyone loves that one supportive friend who appreciates your presentations

[@Epinardscaramel]

Loved the statue in front of the school 👨‍🚀

[@airplanetowardsthesky3265]

I swear every video I watch of yours mindfucks me in ways I can never expect. You’re a genius

[@hikki3523]

I'm not 100% sure if you ever have a specific thing in mind when you're writing these little and powerful stories. I am sure it is always left up to interpretation if there is or isn't a more "deep" message in these beautiful videos you make, but I am going to point out that this particular one is beautiful. There was a time where we could only see that giant blue, and now we can differentiate every kind of blue, I mean, every colour with its true name, not only blue. That is happening right now, not with colours specifically, but with how we view our world. Not only science is advancing and thus we can see things and work with things that we did not know they existed before and the world changes around it, but also we can see new things about ourselves, as people, as a society (yes I said it) It can be extrapolated to a million of things, I'm sure in this age and day, we can see it clearly with tons of information about the individuals are being mentioned more. How we started viewing certain things not as a whole thing, but a spectrum, a colour spectrum perhaps. And, perhaps also, in the future we will finally be able to see all colours, know all of their names, and use them properly, and give them the love they deserve.

[@hanneskarlbom6644]

Or maybe it's about skin colour or such, you know, how we tend to group everyone together based on simularity but forgeting that even within those groups ppl are still diverse like the colour blue.

[@മദ്യപാനം]

I'm pretty sure it's about the Greeks in the first part, it starts off with how we would describe the situation even though it's stupid to assume the Greeks we're incapable of seeing the color blue, which is highlighted when they talk about the 2020's since while we call them all blue it doesn't mean we don't see the different shades

[@mcstench8913]

you're on a spectrum

[@rowboat10]

@@hanneskarlbom6644 I think it'd be too similar a metaphor

[@FireyDeath4]

We don't really have words for any specific tones or shades of radio, radar, microwave, infrared, ultraviolet, x or gamma. Apart from squant, which has combinations like squed, squellow and sque, but nobody even remembers whether it's infrared or ultraviolet because those bumbling fools lost all the records before they thought to specify that. We're no better than those people who only have three words for colours: red, white and black. That's right, three. We may as well just have lidar vision.

[@RosaHernandez-ql8nu]

I'm so high and this is blowing my goddamn mind. Like you super lulled ne into it I was so confused like what everything is goddamn blue. That's absolutely wild, good job.

[@orbismworldbuilding8428]

I was actually thinking about this with a colorwheel. A huge amount of “blue” is really just cyan, especially “light blues”. I messed around on my colorwheel and found actual pale/light blue according to color theory, and it was nothing like the “light blue” i was taught, it gave me a strange feeling, very interesting.

[@slimeinabox]

“Joniffer” LOL

[@SnoFitzroy]

love the little nod at the end to languages that don't distinguish between green and blue (referred to in languages that do by linguists as "grue," pronounced like the Despicable Me character)

[@welywelym]

I love the ditial of the clock moving by time

[@gibbous_silver]

cant wait to watch “the disappearance of green” next week

[@TheHiroClaw123]

I'm not gonna lie, this would be a really interesting and endearing presentation irl

[@CaptainThief]

Thank you for making the minute hand move!

[@eziogamn7942]

This man animated the clock, my god…

[@DeltaFlare987]

I noticed that too lmao

[@kai_noir]

Love the cute little alien with a crush on the pesentator 😭

[@creditsunknown7974]

We must ask ourselves the true question. does "My job is to open and close doors" happen before this, since there is a statue built, or after, since it's named "Future yourself" and time travel is canon.

[@21stNightOfSep]

So sorry to ruin this for you but it's named "Push Yourself".

[@creditsunknown7974]

@@21stNightOfSep GODDAM IT

[@reishiboo]

glad that the future shares the same concept of time with us

[@tomasc7728]

Yo this kid drew some problematic xenophobia in his presentation, there's an "alien" sitting RIGHT THERE dude

[@tslex6477]

it was a photo of actual event. It's part of a history

[@brennantmi5063]

Wow dude, way to conflate a real photo taken of a Zarthog Planet-Eater and Tim, a kid born and raised on Earth. I don't know what the world is coming to, soon we will have nut cases who believe Garblogs aren't native people to Earth.

[@m7bline403]

I love that the clock changes on the minute marks

[@thefirebeanie5481]

As a person of the favorite color of red I’m mad you’d assume me of tinkering with time

[@MattiasPilhede]

please don't hurt me

[@FeersYouTube]

By the way, in russian, there are two words for "blue". "Синий" and "голубой", which means blue and light blue. In Japanese, too, there are was some shenanigans with blue and green being called a single word "青い".

[@2ms2]

In Spanish we also have a word for blue, "azul", and a word for light blue, "celeste". It always kind of bothered me that there isn't one in English.

[@daniellin1726]

Then you have the old literatures using a variety of way to describe colour. Which reflects the usage during that time and has features that trickled down to modern languages as a legacy lexicon. A blatant simplification is that 青，蓝，苍 are all different shades of green that originally described some grass that can be used to dye a bluish green. Thousands of years of evolution and casual usage-turned-legitimacy is what produced this conundrum we observe in modern days. Literally, all it takes is for some famous author to invent a new, poetic word, have it catch on and boom. Thousands of years down the line and it’s part of the standard lexicon.

[@interbeamproductions]

weird because azul has the same root as azure(English/Italian), yet it's the darker blue of the two also most people don't really use celeste, like how they don't use teal in english

[@stickguy9109]

​@@2ms2 Cyan is lightblue. There is a word for it people just don't use it

[@MrAsianPie]

I can't ignore how much his jaw expands everytime he talks

[@Destroyah5000]

"I'm Azure, A Ba Dee A Ba Dye..." Rolls right off the tongue.

[@jasonbernard5468]

I'm glad to see you posting again so soon! This video felt serious to me.

[@IsaqueFontinele]

Loved this one.

[@LindenF]

Yeah! Baby blue!! Rarely ever see that mentioned.

[@viniciuse.magalhaes7014]

loving this

[@GAOMaster]

Oh yeah your Colors tiers list video was great

[@caseabase]

0:29 nice kid

[@Jar.Headed]

... "wow!" - Sky blue alien, 2122

[@Nadezjaa]

Beautiful.

[@Guadalajara1937]

I love how there is a statue of the the astronaut from "my job is to open doors" outside at the beginning

[@jaydentt]

i like how the clock changes

[@missanimitzi5344]

After I watched this vid I looked thru ur channel and I remember seeing years ago your video about the AI that open and closed doors. I think your stuff is really cool! keep fightin the good fight

[@CygnusTheSilly]

I use RGB and hex codes to describe colors Get on my level you primitive "blood orange" sayers

[@Mugenri]

html values

[@CygnusTheSilly]

@@Mugenri I didn't pay attention when writing the comment It's fixed now

[@PrimusSwallows]

I carry a briefcase with a separate colored card for every possible color in the visible spectrum so I don't need to "describe" colors in the first place. I can't get on your level because the fall would kill me.

[@CygnusTheSilly]

@@PrimusSwallows that's really inconsiderate of blind people

[@thomasfisher4833]

Are we getting absurd comedy? Well, lucky me, I voted for that in the poll. :)

[@samumohacsi]

Love the statue of the astronaut outside.

[@pillager2327]

Thank goodness for blue light glasses that let us see the color blue

[@VagabondTE]

Made me burst out loud laughing at the end

[@bahar-ox1ln]

I genuinely love your art:),, simple and satisfying

[@atomsofstardust]

Hilarious! And what a cool setup: I was on the edge of my seat waiting how exactly does one resolve such an absurd premise :) well done, sir

[@jem5636]

I like this. I like how it says a lot of things, and I can rest easy knowing that someone else is saying these things, and is also saying just enough of nothing that I can relax, if I need to. A story about perception. Yeah. I like this.

[@Puppy_Puppington]

0:59 story of my life in middle school when I was playing halo 3 all day and night and always wanted to be on the red team.

[@christophercarlson8691]

This is horrifyingly brilliant.

[@dougthedonkey1805]

“Live laugh zorflon” is pretty great I think

[@satyrsatyr2957]

Fantastic video. I really loved it

[@herminecobainjulesvernedas5177]

... Meaning you can't necessarily distinguish systems we make up to order our universe by how good or precise they are. Often times, they are just different, and we see development in directionless change.

[@skylordthe1st]

That was actually very interesting

[@martinbeckdorf4565]

So nice of the blue-eating alien overlord to applaud Johniffer’s presentation.

[@silvershift5505]

i just noticed the clock moves once a minute

[@Frostgiantbutsmall]

This is the funniest rant media I've seen

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

RIP tiniest alien classmate

[@pinkninja1120]

I relly love the blue guy

[@captaincrocs8318]

The fact that he animated the clock is really neet

[@Coconut_Prrson]

I like this type of videos of you. The stories that don't need a narrator or an inner voice. Just like the giant mask videos. Not to say I love all other videos of you but I like this change of pace from time to time

[@doughnutharvest]

This has actually made me think

[@thecrakp0t]

"Pick a thing and stick with it"

[@donbelikat]

The statue was the airlock dude! he will be remembered as the one who forgot his helmet, put it on, and then forgot his tether.

[@doornumb]

I love the message :)

[@elio7610]

There often seems to be this misconception that having more precise categorisation is somehow incompatible with broader categorisation, as if terms like "ultramarine" and "teal" can't exist alongside a term like "blue", when you can have names for many different subtypes of "blue" while also using "blue" as a term to encapsulate all of those subtypes. People would argue that having more words and terms for more precise language is too complex despite how you could still use more vague language even if the precise wording exists.