The Doodler: The Gay Community's Unsolved Nightmare

[@TheCasualCriminalist]

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[@LaylaSpellwind]

I always skip sheath ads more than any other, don't want to hear about creepy underwear. XD "This has a pocket for your junk!".... That's great Simon... Weeeeird! Edit: Simon being super based in this episode, making me feel bad for skipping his ad. D=

[@davidlevy9430]

Your writer was incorrect in stating that there where 131 and 129 LGBTQI murderess in 1975 &1974 According to data from the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) and additional studies on crime in San Francisco, there were 129 murders in San Francisco in 1973 and 141 murders in 1974 in total. Very few of those involved very few LGBTQI people 1.1973: San Francisco saw a high number of homicides, influenced by violent crime waves like the Zebra killings, which began in late 1973 and contributed to a surge in murder rates. 1974: Homicides peaked, partly due to the ongoing Zebra killings, which left 15 people dead within seven months from late 1973 to early 1974. Other violent crimes also added to the murder count during this year. 1975: The number of homicides slightly decreased after the conclusion of the Zebra case, but violent crime remained a concern for the city The reason I included 1973 is that's when the zebra murders started. Something you should do a pod cast on

[@HolidayGlow]

Heya @TheCasualCriminalist, heads up - a few times in this you referred to heterosexual people as 'normal people' to contrast being homosexual when speaking of historical abuses. I love your stuff generally but that is def not the wording you want to be using for what you were trying to express I suspect more along the lines of the average murder rate or the general populations murder rate or similar. The choice of the word "normal" feeds into similar mindsets of the time that being homosexual is abnormal, poor moral character, an aberration etc. and such language was often used to justify the abuse, oppression, limiting of rights and vilification of gay and lesbian folks. It is still used in many places today and now that gay and lesbians are generally more accepted than in the 70's the current trend is to slap all those old things onto the trans population who are the new scary agenda going to upset family values/society/sexually deviant/out to corrupt the youth and turn them/are probably kiddy fiddlers and will want to legalize zoophilia next. :/ There will definitely be people in your audience who are lesbian, gay or queer who will be affected by the wording, particularly if they are of the generations who would have lived through this time. I hope you are able to address this as I don't get the impression that wording is likely in line with your intention and how you actually want to express yourself.

[@KraftyKreator]

The nickname “Frisco” for San Francisco is NOT as far I, a native of that city, know is a nickname we prefer. SF, or, as I grew up outside SF, The City.

[@WooShell]

23:30 no, the aorta is not "that really big heart valve", it's the main artery going from the neck to the groin. it originates in the heart, but covers the whole length of the human torso.

[@GIBBO4182]

I read the title as “The Diddler” and thought it was a P Diddy episode! 😂😂

[@DerptyDerptyDUM]

I did too... and I totally thought it was about Sean Combs. 😂

[@lsd358]

😂 classic

[@86daniel]

Can’t wait for the Diddy episode that will eventually come out

[@andrefelipe7180]

Too soon😂

[@marco_cee_]

P Doody

[@Charles_Anthony]

There was the "Doodler" before there was the "Diddler."

[@kanebear12]

Doodler walked so the Diddler could run.

[@saltshaker1118]

​​​@@kanebear12 congratulations. You have successfully made me spill all of the water I was drinking, that was gold

Doodler Case Solved ✅: The doodlers name is Clifford Stanley Bolden, look him up! He has the same face as the doodler, the same ears, his hair is the exact same, & the same facial hair. Clifford met a man in a bar, took his money and executed him.

[@12ww37]

@@kanebear12Doodler doodled so Diddy could diddle

[@thegreatpugtato1823]

"..I got news for you, it's cause your gay!". I love you Simon. Never change.

[@MissBlueEyeliner]

So funny and so accurate. So many homophobes are gay.

[@rosenaqua]

Uhh if I was a “brutal slayer” but was called “the doodler” my narcissism would be effected

[@makoeyes]

23:25 the aorta is the largest artery of the body that comes up out of the heart and then arches down into the abdomen.

[@grandmyotismon]

Sweet simple minded Simon XD

[@darkamora5123]

It should be pointed out, in addition to your description, the aorta is well over a foot long. For Simon, the aorta is no more a part of the heart than your charging cable is a part of your phone.

[@KroovyGG]

Si the main part of the aorta is just your mid abdominal area. Between the bottom rib area. I feel mine beat if I eat a heavy meal.

[@thefisherking78]

​@@KroovyGGMid abdominal? I was gonna go all "well actually" but then I looked it up and, after starting in the thorax, it swoops down through the abdomen too.. who knew 🫣

[@KroovyGG]

@@thefisherking78 yeah its frigging HUGE .

[@rachyface618]

It took me forever to realize one of his writers was named Danny. All this time I thought he was calling him “Daddy.” I felt a little awkward every time he said it 🤣

[@REDDeadFishy]

He puts the names of everyone up most of the time…. I guess reading is a dying art form

[@kerryfrancesmc7734]

Some people just listen and don't watch the screen.​@@REDDeadFishy

[@AaJJRio]

That's great, idk if I could watch his videos seriously if he kept talking about his 'daddy' 😅 Awkward although I bet your pretty relieved to find out it's Danny not some strange 'daddy' he keeps locked in his basement lol

[@4lyeskas]

@@REDDeadFishy I put most of Simon's vids in the background while I do something else and am not actively looking at the screen... If I wasn't an active part of the Blaze community I could have made similar mistakes, bc I'm not reading ANYTHING on the screen.

[@jus__gra]

@@REDDeadFishyeveryone bar the editor smh

[@lauren9667]

The way mandated reporting works for mental health professionals is that they must report if the person says they will do harm (e.g., kill) again. If they just confess to having done it in the past with no indication of continuing, it’s a violation of the doctor/patient privilege. I understand why it’s this way, but I don’t like it. A murder victim’s family needs closure.

[@lillylunapotter8079]

It’s because if they are not going to do it again then they need to be able to get help but if they are a danger they need to be stoped.im not an expert by any means but from I understand it’s more for keeping it from repeating when people need help to not risk it again like people who had a psychiatrist episode or were escaping DV so that they can get help and repeat patterns they led there. But the way around it is if someone is planing or showing signs of repeating to save future potential victims.

[@lauren9667]

@@lillylunapotter8079 I understand this, but a serial killer who commits brutal crimes like this one shouldn’t be able to just walk in to a psychiatrist and confess to a slew of murders but pinkie swears he won’t do it again. He’s probably a psychopath and psychopaths are not known to be successfully rehabilitated. It’s different from the guy who killed his wife’s affair partner and now feels sick about it. He’s more likely not to reoffend and therapy would help him (and society). The problem is you can’t allow the decision to be made by an individual or the law won’t work. So we have to trust the psychopath’s pinkie swear, leaving society at risk. It’s a conundrum.

[@baydiac]

​@@lauren9667Exactly. The very premise is flawed, because it assumes someone who confesses to serial killings at their therapist's is trying to get help/stop killing. If they actually wanted to stop killing people they would have turned themselves in to the police. It's the same reason we don't feel pity for the weepy-voiced killer no matter how much he whines, it's nothing but a show to get the insanity plea unless he turns himself in the first time he "uncontrollably" kills somebody.

[@joninator7858]

@@baydiac Just because you want to stop killing does not mean that you're willing to sit in jail till the day you die, lol

[@ashookamanuela1901]

@@lauren9667 A good Psychiatrist can tell the difference. Its why there are experts in court as well.

[@silenttoxic707]

As a northern California Native.. Bay area residents hate it when you say "frisco" which is why i do it every time🤣😂

[@Danheron2]

I’ve never heard frisco honestly lol

[@erikgilson1687]

They like when you call it Sanny Franny

[@Danheron2]

@@erikgilson1687 lmao I’m from the bay and I’m gonna start calling it that 😂

[@metalcleric2567]

I'm a central California native and they just make me mad. But if that upsets them then so be it

[@jasonritner9662]

I grew up on the peninsula and I am laughing at how much people from the area are likely cringing at that. I remember an LA based morning radio show getting kicked off the air in the Bay Area for poking fun at how particular the residents of "The City" are about what you call it. 😂

[@johnkirby8939]

RICK Hudson?!?!? Dude's name was Rock. AFAIK the first Hollywood celebrity to die of AIDS.

[@katieholland4244]

According to an incredibly quick google search, yeah.

[@KateKatastrophe]

Hollywood legend. I love pillow talk.

[@sadfaery]

Yeah, that just astounded me. I thought pretty much everyone had at least HEARD of Rock Hudson!!!

[@Dukedogdog]

I hadn't heard of him but I looked him up. And in summary, if you asked me who superman really is, it would be him. He was so handsome. I'm glad I got to learn more of our history

[@instaperil]

The nurse and doctors are mandatory reporters. So yes they were right to contact police

[@Britt20654]

That isn’t how that works. They have an obligation to report future crimes but if you are talking about past crimes, unless it is child abuse or something like that, then there is no exceptions to confidentiality and it’s the tort of invasion of privacy and inadmissible in court. It’s the same rule for lawyers with the exception of the child abuse caveat. If a client tells me he is going to murder someone I have to turn him in but if he says I have murdered someone there is nothing that can be said. Also the mandatory reporter laws are state laws and are different in every state. Many don’t even apply to conduct towards adult. For example some states require reporting of suicide or suicide attempts others, such as North Carolina, do not. See McArdle v. Mission Hospital, 804 SE 2d 214 (NC Ct Apps; 2017).

[@haleyguthrie3113]

​@TheMrcbritt2 yes, I came to correct this. Not everything is reportable. It sucks at times.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

As a San Franciscan: Calling it _SF_ is fine. Calling it _San Fran_ is despised. _Frisco_ is cultural and generational. SF Chronicle columnist Herb Caen hated the term so much he had a column called “DON’T CALL IT FRISCO” and his popularity made it taboo. But growing up in the 90’s everyone in SF called it that, and it seems to be a lower income and POC thong.

[@josiee1120]

Just a little fact for you Simon: The aorta is a vessel coming from heart, but it extends down into the abdomen so getting stabbed in the aorta can mean anywhere from the heart to the pelvis where the aorta branches off into two smaller arteries.

[@ecabe1793]

Came here to say this!

[@Ardvards]

"on a channel i used to do" was a lil sad. i hope simon has the chance to do something similar in the future

[@Abby_Liu]

there is the channel Places, to replace geographics. maybe he'll do one called People.

[@leightonolsson4846]

What happened to Karl? I might be odd but I liked him

[@NorthOntarian]

​@@leightonolsson4846 you may be odd, but Karl is cool lol..

[@rosina7237]

@@NorthOntariani laughed so hard at that, it’s the little things 😭

[@PanzerMan332]

Simon and I are definitely on two different wavelengths if he considers "the doodler" to be a cool nickname.

[@ignitionfrn2223]

1:50 - Chapter 1 - A tale of frustration 2:20 - Mid roll ads 3:45 - Back to the video 5:15 - Chapter 2 - Wonderland Frisco 10:35 - Chapter 3 - Death by the water 19:20 - Chapter 4 - Stomped into nothing 25:20 - Chapter 5 - The witnesses 32:25 - Chapter 6 - Going cold 37:40 - Dismembered appendices

[@mrc-17]

I'm from SF and gay, my grandparents even knew harvey milk briefly, and this is the first I've heard of Sergeant Blackstone. Sounds like a principled and genuinely amazing guy.

[@tiffa808]

I swear I read this a the Diddler

[@Smurffies]

Correct

[@slaytanicsabbath]

You didn’t see the Diddler in the title, but you will, behind you at 12:34 am October 3rd

[@Smurffies]

@@slaytanicsabbath 😅

[@EverettvonNordeck-gf2cw]

So did my dyslexia fueled mind.

[@EverettvonNordeck-gf2cw]

So did my dyslexia fueled mind

[@deannamarie8389]

They are indeed allowed to disclose the identity of someone if there are people at imminent risk of violence from the person.

[@LaurasBookBlog]

"San Francisco is the most progressive city - look, we elected Harvey Milk!" is a sentence that works only so long as you don't know how Harvey Milk left office.

[@gaylewinds4808]

That's what I was thinking. Not the most stellar of examples.

[@idontknowanymore2515]

​@gaylewinds4808 what happened?

[@gaylewinds4808]

@@idontknowanymore2515 Harvey Milk was assassinated for his sexual identity.

[@velocity9OOOYT]

@@idontknowanymore2515 Harvey got assassinated

[@Hammerhead547]

Or how his immediate successor diane feinstein nearly destroyed the investigation into the nightstalker case by publicly releasing evidence that had been kept secret from the media which allowed richard rmierez to dispose of his shoes and gun.

[@GrievousReborn]

You know how confusing it would be and how hard it would be for the Wikipedia articles Simon if they were all named The Dickhead killer?

[@terribongers2465]

😂😂

[@theinformationstation5328]

Dickhead 1, Dickhead 2 , etc 😂

[@dalemaree7022]

Thanks Simon, Arnaldo, and editors. Another great episode. I have been a subscriber of Casual Criminalist since the beginning along with all Simon's differnt channels. He is my favourite presenter. ❤from Australia ❤

[@mitchellforney6109]

Everyone I've ever met from San Francisco hates it when people call it "Frisco."

[@missrhib]

This is why we from SoCal call it Frisco 😅

[@katla_phc]

Exactly - Simon has just put a target on his back by saying that if he ever comes here (even if it was an innocent comment) 😂

[@johnfalkenrath6485]

We just call it the City.

[@miffytoki]

while we don't like it, we do use it as a way to know you're a tourist or a transplant. And SF people don't get outwardly angry, we will go out later and tell a very animated story about meeting someone who called it Frisco and all have a chuckle over some wine. :D

[@deepedits3508]

@@johnfalkenrath6485 what fuckin City, man? Like people are fucking psychic. As if saying the word ‘city’ will remind the person whos unlucky enough to hear this horse shit that San Francisco is the only city in the world? Come on dude. that’s a pretty vivid name.

[@5210smile]

The doodler is way less bad-ass than other options listed. This is good. They should all get silly little names as they are silly little boys (and occasionally women).

[@bannankev]

I cant wait til the Diddy Episode drops 🤣

[@AnimeShinigami13]

I get really mad at people who call it obscene for LGBT people to hold hands or kiss in public when straight couples can do the same without any kind of criticism what so ever. Edit: also all the history in this episode is total chef's kiss Simon. Give your writer a bonus!

[@Dukedogdog]

That's why I make faces when straight couples kiss in public haha

[@darkones4370]

Bro trying to fight Biology with "Wokeism" 😂😂

[@ThunderStruck15]

​@@darkones4370 if you think that being gay isn't a widely documented biological phenomenom across hundreds of species, you're both an idiot and willfully ignorant... but we all knew that.

[@liamevans7661]

@@darkones4370lol kissing is about what feels affectionate, not reproduction, so try again with that biology shit lol.

[@kimslone5185]

Frisco is what people from other places say when they want to irritate San Francisco residents.

[@brianm.595]

Both lawyers and doctors are obligated in some situations to turn in their client/patient to the authorities. The psychiatrist that learns of muders their patient committed via therapy, should turn them in to the police, for example.

[@katc2040]

The example you gave is actually one case that can't tell anyone that

[@xessenceofinsanityx]

"Don't tell your lawyer...ok maybe you should tell your lawyer" 😂

[@Skillerz87]

The Aorta is the major artery coming out of the top of the heart, the Atrium is the part of the heart which receives blood and there're two, one from the lungs the other from the body

[@darcywiggins7964]

No, San Francisco residents do NOT appreciate their town being referred to as “Frisco.” I’ve been told in no uncertain terms. Being from LA, however, I still use the term all the time

[@PeteMunchel-sn9ff]

Thanks for covering this! Can I request that you cover the Upstairs Lounge fire next?? It never gets covered, and it's one of the worst hate crimes ever committed...

[@WobblesandBean]

The aorta is connected to the heart, but it is still separate from the heart.

[@gypsyfox3285]

I have been to the Castro many times. And my best friend lives there. He has been there forever and never mentioned him. How is this killer so unheard of?! Crazy. Thank you for sharing this.

[@FairyPrincess42]

How the heck have you never heard of Rock Hudson?!

[@Nick-v7b3l]

He's a brit in his 30s. Really, why would he?

[@shiyobui]

hes from the uk, and is in his 30s

[@emilycooper8416]

This 30 year old person from the UK loves Rock Hudson, as many of us do. It always surprises me, the pop culture references that Simon doesn’t get. 😅

[@TheWretchedOwl]

I’m a 40 year old Californian and I’ve never heard of the guy.

[@howdoibeatthis304]

My area notably had a gay club called Pink Triangle, a lot of gay clubs tend to take derogatory terms and symbols and use them the opposite way.

[@klurrabell2127]

Just got the notification and 'oo-ed' at the release of a Cas Crim. Read the title and now I feel guilty 🤦‍♀️

[@WeAreTheTrueMedia]

Why do you feel guilty at this title in-particular? Us true crime fans shouldn't feel guilty for 'enjoying' any case.

[@Charles_Anthony]

Every community has bad apples.

[@Ollieberrry]

1:00 you're right Simon, everyone in the vicinity of San Francisco either calls it SF or just "the city". Calling it Frisco is a war crime

[@namenamenamename7224]

If someone calls it “frisco”, it’s a dead giveaway they’re one of those out-of-towners!

[@lonelygoblin19]

I'm calling it 'The Frisco' from now on. Like my Mimi used to call it 'The Pokeymans'.

[@stephanybrown3226]

Simon and writers is there any script in the works for the 'Cookie Monster Killer?'. It's a very interesting case, but also upsetting with how it ends. Personally I don't buy the 'child personality' that comes out only when he is in trouble.... or the other one, but that's just me.

[@pgbrown12084]

Damn, spoilers! 😂

[@stephanybrown3226]

@@pgbrown12084 whoop sorry xD it's pretty well known part of the guys case. There is another even worse part I wont mention, but I have a feeling if it ends up being a Casual Crim script the ending will drive Simon batty.

[@pgbrown12084]

@stephanybrown3226 I'd definitely be interested in hearing more about it. Hopefully, Simon or one of the writers sees your comment!

[@Real_Person_Not_A_Bot]

I gotta say these unsolved cases are my personal favorite episodes of this show. Please do more of them Simon!

[@seanmorgan2356]

Richard Chamberlain also played Captain Blackthorn, or, Anjin-San, in the original "Shogun" miniseries.

[@kevinabraham9260]

You know why Im subscribed? love all of Simon’s shows but this one specifically every criminalist episode he accidentally gives a list of ways to improve on future crime to ensure not getting caught 🤣🤣🤣🤣 then he realizes it after and feels so bad lol it’s great. Keep it up Simon

[@ecabe1793]

When I see a new inept criminal get caught I’m listing all the rules they broke 😂😂😂

[@hubbleschild]

3:43 ad skip

[@lajollascott]

Johnnie Ray is mentioned in the Dexy's Midnight Runners song "Come On Eileen" Poor old Johnnie Ray Sounded sad upon the radio Moved a million hearts in mono Our mothers cried Sang along, who'd blame them?

[@itarry4]

Simon saying he doesn't know who Rock Hudson, Richard Chamberlain and Jonny Ray are is like him saying I've lived my life with my head up my ass.

[@karmabish8709]

I live in the US and I've never heard of these people.

[@robertkirchner7981]

He's just young.

[@rebeccacresswell6753]

Please go to San Fran and say “Frisco” this much only if you want trouble 😅😂 or possible injury

[@murrayscott9546]

See you there ?

[@murrayscott9546]

See you there ?

[@murrayscott9546]

We callit Crisco, now ?

[@REDDeadFishy]

What are you gonna do? Hit him with your purse? 😂

[@Charles_Anthony]

I just call it San Franshitsco

[@hammeroferis9805]

Worst serial killer nickname ever

[@victoriamiller4873]

I've been waiting so patiently for a new one!!! Thank you!!❤

[@jaeswift9350]

I’m actually cracking up right now because my mom and brother call my puppy the doodler after she disgustingly got into the cats’ litter box once 😂😂

[@lordlundin6495]

Now let the pupper give you a facial tongue bath! Yum!

[@jaeswift9350]

@@lordlundin6495believe me, she got a THOROUGH face cleaning and tooth brushing after that catastrophe 😭

[@Lutefisk445]

i used to have a dog who would eat my cat's poops out of the litter box all the time. He'd do it when nobody was watching, though. Miss him so much.

[@lordlundin6495]

@@Lutefisk445 heh, I like that name. gross.

[@MMSMLUNWINPP]

I audibly yelped when I saw the new episode was posted. A relative came to check on me to see if I was okay haha. Thanks to Simon and staff for the ever continuing flow of knowledge and entertainment, you are all very much appreciated.

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

I actually heard of this guy long before this episode. The reason why he still hasn’t been caught is because a number of survivors of this guy have been reluctant to come forward due to the fact they were in positions of power at the time. I have a sick feeling this guy is still around and hunting, probably somewhere away from San Francisco. I think their testimony is the key to catching him.

[@nojimmyprotested9371]

Btw aorta is the large vessel/artery that leaves the heart and travels to almost all other arteries in the body (either directly or indirectly)

[@evalevy2909]

This is a good one. I like ones I've never heard of

[@baleighmorey1626]

I've been watching my phone for 2 days waiting for c.c. to pop up

[@Fabio-Jose-DragonKing]

Welcome Arnaldo! This is gonna be great! Thanks For this

[@Durp-E-Derp]

Always enjoy a rare treat of Arnaldo episodes :3

[@arnaldoteodorani277]

Thank you, Cas Crim is one of my favourite channels to write for!

[@STG2BALT]

Wait, Diddy terrorized San Francisco as well?

[@NicoBabyman1]

It’s “The Doodler”, not “The Diddler”. 🙄

[@STG2BALT]

@@NicoBabyman1 are you sure?😒

[@cynthiasimpson931]

I lived in the San Francisco area during the mid to late 1970s, and I don't remember hearing of this. Then again, during the 1975-1976 era I was in getting ready to graduate from high school, and I was in the throes of my only high school romance.

[@whittar]

Clicked the notification immediately, was waiting for a new one.

[@herboilingpoint]

We call it The City… or San Francisco. The shortened names were cringe when I was growing up, but now I don’t know.

[@georgemansour2117]

Simon correcting the coroner killed me! that was hilarious! ps: the Aorta is its own thing its not in the heart! it begins at the heart! it is the biggest artery that carries the blood to the rest of the body!

[@chrismansfield2133]

Please cover the Lester Street murders in Memphis. I'm from Memphis and that case hit the city really hard when it happened and I would love to hear Simon cover it and give his thoughts and insights

[@Lilliandria]

Thank you for this episode, Simon and Arnaldo!

[@Yltimate_]

I SIGGESTED THIS TO KEVIN!!!

[@TheJoshestWhite]

Great suggestion, I've never heard of this

[@khillsy4489]

Nobody likes a braggart.🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👏

[@quarantinedcosmonaut4082]

Thank you! I vaguely remember this cold case but could never find it again.

[@MisterPlanePilot]

Who cares

[@Yltimate_]

@@MisterPlanePilot you for commenting l0l

[@IndustrialSociety1995]

2:19 *JUMPSCARE* bro turn down the mic jeez

[@tkeyadeh2660]

Saying "Normal person" referring to non gay individuals is a bit rough. I'm sure some are offended.. geesh. I'm not gay and still found it jarring. But I do know that there's no malice behind the wording. Simon seems to be a sweet man with no bias against anyone from the LGBTQIA+ community

[@FrankGUNstein]

It’s just used for differentiating gay and straight people and remember there are far more straight people than there are gay, so saying normal/regular, and it’s perfectly apt for the time period. He wasn’t using it as a derogatory term, it’s clear he meant straight people not that gay people weren’t normal people, but they are gay people which is outside the norm.

[@robertkirchner7981]

@@FrankGUNstein "Less common" does not equate to "outside the norm". Heterosexuality and homosexuality are both normal variations of human sexuality. Homosexuality is not "outside the norm", because there are no human societies in which homosexuality does not occur. If you mean "people who aren't gay", say "non-gay", or "other sexualities". If you wanted to refer to people who do not have red hair, would you say "normal people" or "other hair colors"? Simon's writer may not harbour anti-gay prejudice, but "normal" IS a judgemental term.

[@FrankGUNstein]

@@robertkirchner7981 no… you don’t define gay people as not-straight, so why would you say non-gay that’s stupid when it’s such a small part of society, and less common means there are homosexual people… I don’t see why you need a distinction as I acknowledge that, they’re a very loud minority as well which makes them seem like a larger group, as well as how media always includes them. that all being said, Normal people for me is defined by who is the who have the most common sexuality e.g. Heterosexual. It’s as easy as that.

[@victoriaeads6126]

Just say larger community and avoid heteronormative nonsense. Hands dusted.

[@FrankGUNstein]

@@victoriaeads6126 no because they’re part of the same community… I’m happy to just use straight people and gay people but normal still suffices. I just don’t think terminology that is clearly not intended as discriminatory is worth attacking when there are actual homophobic people out there, we’re here arguing about semantics here, you know I don’t mean gay people aren’t normal people, you’re just twisting it because you want to feel like you have a higher moral standing. I’d say that you’re the one who’s focusing on it… all I was thinking about was group sizes. Not stating any opinion on what is or isn’t right… for one it isn’t my business what people do, as long as they do not do anything to my family… they’re fine with me. so just grow up…

[@Reglar_Cat]

22:19 IDK about homicide rates by sexual orientation, but a quick search tells me (confirming what I thought) that the general rate in the US in the 70s was much higher than it is today, peaking at an estimated 10.4 deaths per 100,000 people in 1980. For comparison, the 2019 estimate was around 5. There was a spike to ~ 6.8 related to a certain world event shortly after that, with a slow decline since then.

[@Kimkimkim855]

San Francisco Bay Area native here! We call it The City

[@anajackson6677]

Actually u shouldn't tell ur lawyer u committed a crime b/c a they can't actively make any defense saying u didn't do it, lest the lawyer gets charged with "subornation of perjury". I.e., If you say you did do it, your lawyer can't call witnesses who will give you an alibi. Said lawyer can be disbarred. As long as ur lawyer doesn't know ur alibi is lying, he/she is free to use it to ur defense. Don't tell the lawyer either.

[@TheJoshestWhite]

Great points, I take this to mean; if your lawyer asks you if you did it, get a new lawyer.

[@4lyeskas]

Versus completely blanking your lawyer and leaving them scrambling to come up with something when it's revealed you lied to everyone, including your lawyer, during the court case? (Plus you for perjuring yourself.) Your lawyer needs to know important details to construct the best defense, and the best defense isn't always "they didn't do it." A competent lawyer would just then pivot to either introducing reasonable doubt or getting charges/evidence/testimony thrown out.

[@anajackson6677]

Lawyers cannot defend you before or after the fact if they (the defendant) tells them. They, LAWYERS , can't give an alternative scenario if the defendant gets on the stand if they know you're lying.

[@anajackson6677]

@@4lyeskas lawyers are not allowed to construct a defence that they absolutely know is built on a lie. It is illegal!!! As long as you say you weren't at the crime scene to your lawyer, they can make the defense. If you tell them you were, that's you if you hit the stand. Your only option is to stay off the stand. And you have that right. Let the prosecutor prove you committed a crime. Your lawyer won't lie for you.

[@lmf3512]

I clicked for the comments. They didn't disappoint.

[@dylandettorre]

Hold up I’m gay and emotionally unstable. Clearly a trend here.

[@ThroneOfBhaal]

Good to see Arnaldo on the channel again, excellent writer! 😀

[@HealingBlight]

24:19 There is a "Lincoln Park" in nearly every city in the USA. I think Linkin Park picked the name because people would think they were seeing a local band no matter where they performed.

[@Shantari]

I mainly know Richard Chamberlain because he was the original John Blackthorne from the Shogun miniseries done in the eighties, with legendary Toshiro Mifune as Toranaga!! I also think he played Allan Quatermain at some point.

[@SeventhSwell]

"That aorta is in the heart." That's our fact boy!

[@augustvalek]

Simon, coroners have to be as detailed and precise as possible, since people in the future will have only the coroner's record to evaluate the body, also, the aorta goes from the heart all the way down to the abdomen

[@sc3pt1c4L]

22:20 "I don't really have like a reference point for how bad it would be or like odds of getting murdered as a gay person versus a REGULAR person"...Regular?!!

[@maymorgan2726]

Yeah, he said it in the beginning too, i had to come to the comments the second time

[@trevorcook4439]

If heterosexual relationships are the majority then the word is accurate.

[@maymorgan2726]

@trevorcook4439 it just seems icky. It is technically correct statement but the connotations are very very negative.

[@trevorcook4439]

@@maymorgan2726 just because some people find accurate correct language “icky” isn’t reason to dictate how someone uses the vernacular. Considering what’s considered politically correct today won’t be tomorrow. That’s the bar we need to set otherwise words mean nothing. When words mean nothing, effective communication is lost. Society then falls.

[@maymorgan2726]

@trevorcook4439 lol, if you can't adapt to the language as it evolves, then your screwed 🤨 for the times they are a changing 😋

[@christinedeshano2872]

Answered your question in the first sentence. It didn't get as much media attention as the Zodiac because it happened to the gay community.

[@eddieruxspin]

I ran to the comments and I wasn’t disappointed 😂

[@hoibsh21]

There once was The Doodler, but now we have The Diddler. Stay tuned.

[@ImFreeNowWhatMichelleFortier]

Therapist here…I don’t have to tell if someone already murdered

[@leobeboop4944]

Wait really??? I thought if there were any serious crimes committed (like not drug use or shoplifting or whatever) you have to report it

[@ImFreeNowWhatMichelleFortier]

@@leobeboop4944 no, we do not. We only have to report if a person is currently homicidal/suicidal and we need to have them transported to the hospital for an evaluation. Generally, we notify police in Florida for that. We have to report suspicion of current physical or sexual abuse or neglect of a child, elder or incapacitated adult to department of children and family. But past crimes with no current risk to a victim? No and I do believe you could get in trouble for violating a patient’s confidentiality.

[@demonprincess5634]

As a member of the LGBT, i did know that we were not normal.. 9:13

[@nothereforit.605]

Well normal is simply the most common traits within a group. Like when people think “America” they think white people. Which is slowly changing.

[@nomdeplume5446]

I think he said Abby, Abby normal 😉

[@demonprincess5634]

@@nomdeplume5446 no he said "normal person"

[@nomdeplume5446]

@@demonprincess5634 I was going for a Young Frankenstein reference… which seems to have missed the mark.

[@yaddar]

he is speaking in the context of 70's San Francisco... fucking relax.

[@murrayscott9546]

Simon, auctioning off your gemtly used Sheath might prove a lucrative side-hustle.

[@terribongers2465]

😂

[@killielila]

😂 Psst whistle boy only fans link in bio

[@M-_-O]

Don’t tell his capitalist heart 😂

[@jengle1970]

In the gay community we often use the "Homo" prefix to identify things specific to homosexuals. So "homocide" may have been intentional referring to murders focused on homosexuals. We also say things like "Homo Depot" when we go to Home Depot. Where I live we have HomeGoods stores, and those can be HomoGoods. Not a slur, more of a culture thing.

[@abzolute.]

only the gay community would have an arch nemesis known as “the doodler”

[@xBINARYGODx]

yes, funny, but the straight people came up with that, and likely would not have if it were straight women

[@TitularHeroine]

​@@xBINARYGODxYup. He'd be called "The Ravager" or some shit.

[@bearguy7429]

Wait there was talk of Cocaine and Simon doesn't give us a cheeky it's a Hell of a drug "allegedly"

[@jdt.jd.]

Elon Green has an excellent book called Last Call about a string of murders targeting queer men in nyc (and Philly) in the 80s and 90s. A video about Richard Rogers would be interesting. It's a very infuriating story long before he moved to new York

[@thomasdriggers759]

LOVED this one

[@kyledamron]

It is a shame that the police pretty much know who did it and he's alive and still in the city and thet can't arrest him

[@thespook1482]

Imagine Simon talking about gay people and then they show a pic of you and your friend having a beer together on screen.

[@sally.exists]

Oh my god. I lol'd, hard. Thank you

Doodler Case Solved ✅: The doodlers name is Clifford Stanley Bolden, look him up! He has the same face as the doodler, the same ears, his hair is the exact same, & the same facial hair. Clifford met a man in a bar, took his money and executed him, with a knife, The same type of weapon The Doodler Used!

[@brighteyebutterfly]

Simon, I love your work and that of your team! I have some constructive criticism to share on this one though. You have a couple times referred to “gay people” vs “regular people” - I humbly suggest that you change the word “regular” to “heterosexual” or “straight” in the future, as this is a form of “othering” and could be considered a microaggression. I know you don’t mean it to be offensive so I hope this can be a helpful suggestion! I look forward to continuing to enjoy your work 😊

[@brighteyebutterfly]

Maybe I took something out of context? At least once it seemed Simon was saying this unironically but I could be wrong!!

[@Square-ow7oq]

Girl, he said it a couple of times and it is 2024. He is profiting on these murder cases and arguably he did research on this case specifically. He used the word "normal" referring to straight people. He knows what he is doing.

[@someoneout-there2165]

Funny thing to me. People will flame on LGBT only if they don't have money, if they have money they'll stick their tounge up as far as possible

[@matthijs3134]

9:47 if someone rips that out of perspective you’re gonna sound so bad 😂💀

[@qrufus]

I wouldn't mind hearing more theories from "detective mom" (in regards to unsolved cases).

[@arnaldoteodorani277]

After the last debacle I have demoted her to traffic duties, but if the right occasion arises I may consult her again.

[@Balrog-tf3bg]

I’m glad we all agree we saw “the diddler” before “the doodler”

[@--enyo--]

Simon, the aorta isn’t in the heart. It’s the big blood vessel that comes out of the heart, arches, and then runs down through your chest and abdomen until it splits to go into your legs etc.

[@PeachM0de]

Thank you for the script Arnaldo.

[@karenelizabeth1590]

37:50 "Cruising" isn't a bad movie for its time. It's worth watching and examining critically today.

[@Stichting_NoFa-p]

Please do an episode on Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.

[@ashookamanuela1901]

Simon confidently stating the aorta is a heartvalve is very in character lol

[@nobitte]

I don't know what to think about the gay stock footage. So many questions.