THE DOWNFALL OF BATTLE PASSES

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Battle Passes are in every single game now, and while they started off as a simple and affordable way for players to get cool cosmetics, over time they have started to become a lot worse. Let's discuss what went wrong with Battle Passes.
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[@TheMacroShow]

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[@puntabunda9625]

nice

[@CodyDoodle33]

Did anyone else notice that the devs at Apex took out the ability to use legend tokens in the shops, featured items area? I’m just confused what they expect players who play Apex as their dominant game to do after a small raked or pubs sesh. (I wish I could make a poll but those who see this hit me with a one or two) Would you rather have 1. 100 new badges that Scale in overall difficulty(easy to almost impossible) while possibly incorporating a prestige system. Also adding a major upgrade to their aesthetics . OR 2. A new areas Map Lol … something so simple would do SO much for the game if they won’t keep LTMs. Thoughts?

[@Corpiananime]

A good Battle pass is like Destiny 2

[@g-maxjack4683]

did you reply ti my message saying I won something just to conferm.

[@thatmemeguy6725]

i think sea of thieves has one of the best all the stuff is free expect a free ship and character cosmetics in premium and you can level it yup really fast by playing game get free of all the currency and free cosmetics also exclusive ones for being a pirate ;egend

[@MoonWielder]

Deep Rock Galactic is the only one who seems to be doing the battle pass system correctly. You unlock the items in it by just playing the game. When the season is over, all those items get put into a random crate that anyone can open without paying for it.

[@thepandaplay68]

ROCK AND STONE BROTHER!

[@saulgoodman6537]

ROCK AND STONE

[@thejustanoob4926]

@@TheMashedCouchPotato kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3-leWCYfJZ1mtU

[@darkknight_gt3047]

So people can get those skins for sure if they pay and for new players or someone who doesnt want to spend money on battle pass, he still has a chance to get it. Seems great

[@thejustanoob4926]

@@darkknight_gt3047 no no, the entire battlepass is free

[@GoddessCynthia]

something i hate about battlepasses too is that a lot of the challenges aren't just "Playing the game" quite a few of them make you throw the game entirely

[@messikis9828]

Like why I have to a play a character when I am waaay better on other characters lol

[@lemon66111]

@@messikis9828 that's why kill challenges are really good as well cause you can do it with anyone

[@Jwellsuhhuh]

This guy poses fortnite as the role model but actually, fortnite used to be notorious for having people do specific things in-game like collect items, go to specific locations (many of these needed google searching to figure out how to do) in order to complete challenges. It’s not like that anymore, but even so, there’s occasionally challenges that make you wear a certain skin or do some random crap.

[@Ohandori]

@@Jwellsuhhuh I personally found those little challenges to be actually kinda fun. Idk why but those were alright

[@Jwellsuhhuh]

@@Ohandori i agree, but considering that one of his main points was that challenges like these were bad, he's kinda contradicting himself when saying that fortnite doesn't have these problems. I'm guessing he hasn't played early seasons of fortnite nor done much research on them

[@BenSmith-xr7kf]

I remember the Avenger's Game battle passes... plural. Each hero had their own individual battle pass, they really expected you to pay for each character.

[@LeonardoStupidKenway]

Bruh.

[@MaxRamos8]

Another downside, since forntine more and more games are being pushed out broken and early access but still implement passes so they can milk players and SLOWLY fix the game

[@joshymcsquashymusic4082]

I hate how battle passes are implemented into games that don't even need one.

[@jaredlewis3001]

Yeah one of e reasons it’s dead

[@A1stardan]

They promised there won't be microtransactions at launch 😢

[@Gh0st1Knight]

It's so funny to me that even unpopular games are rubbing Battle Passes in our faces, even BEFORE they are released to be playable!!

[@MaxRamos8]

Another downside, since forntine more and more games are being pushed out broken and early access but still implement passes so they can milk players and SLOWLY fix the game

[@beavergoat22]

Not forntine 😱😱😱

[@thejustanoob4926]

Deep Rock Galactic has the best battlepass I've ever seen: -Completly free, since the games is not. -Not grindy -Great rewards -And best of all, if you don't complete the battlepass when a new season comes around, the items all go to existing loot pools, so there is no fear of missing out.

[@saulgoodman6537]

Exactly. ROCK AND STONE

[@josephcasper8803]

RNG though

[@joeivie1000]

and doom entrnl has one BUT IT IS FREE!

[@johnnycripplestar5167]

Common Deep CHAD Galactic W

[@eliodergamer]

Deep Rock was free on PS Plus one time and maybe even on Extra now not to sure though so basicly I got a free game with a free battle pass

[@navdeepsingh3508]

The worst ones are where you cannot get the currency back...

[@JustBibo69]

ow2

[@RaxonYT]

Yeah like Ow2, i would buy it, if it had some currency

[@Akeoiii]

@@RaxonYT same

[@IceSick88]

Yup. Making you buy the game once ever three months is obsurd

[@robonator2945]

I honestly kind of hate ones that give you currency back a bit more from a player-mentality perspective. It doesn't really feel like "oh look, I got this for free" it feels more like "uh, y'know, I want to play this game, but I already paid for the battle pass in Apex Legends, if I don't farm to finish it I won't get my money back and I'll have to pay out the ass for the next one, fine, I guess I'm playing apex today."

[@paulpiper737]

A problem with battle passes that I think people don't talk about, is that you can't really finish more than one. If you play multiple games with them, you will miss out on items.

[@smudgybard8983]

This. Like 2 months ago I was on a constant grind spree so I could finish the Splatoon 3 catalog and than instantly started grind Fortnite. It was stressful and I'm never doing it again. It's like they expect everyone to only play their game all the time.

[@jarskii11]

@@smudgybard8983 Well thats why battlepass is so used. They want you To be stuck with their game.

[@OctoFloofy]

@@smudgybard8983 in fortnite my goal is just level 100 and splatoon 3 luckily only goes to level 100 at max. So its not too hard. But people wanting level 200 in fortnite and it definitely gets way harder to finish both probably

[@OctoFloofy]

well in case of splatoon 3 not finishing a catalog isnt as bad at least as you can get that stuff in the shell-out machine afterwards at least still.

[@smudgybard8983]

@@OctoFloofy Yeah I'm really happy they did that. Does anyone know if you can get missed victory poses in the shell out machine?

[@stormstrikerpro]

I think one of the reason's Fortnite's battle pass is so good is that upon buying the pass you automatically get your money's worth (even more). You instantly get 2 skins that the game usually prices at around 15-20 dollars each for $9.50. Meanwhile other games have to make you earn the money you spent, which sucks.

[@dynamon911nz]

I got the premium Battle pass without single dime of It Just be patient and be rewarded

[@DsgSleazy]

@@dynamon911nz I bought save the world like 3 years ago and haven't had to buy v bucks since, lmao. I have like 14k saved up.

[@dynamon911nz]

@@DsgSleazy yeah most of times they offering Save the world basicaly for free on several occasions. By using vbucks and thats it.

[@ihatehandleupdate]

@@dynamon911nz Yeah, it's not that bad. If you play the game regularly or even just do all the challenges at the end of the season for 3-4 seasons, you can get the premium BP for free, never loose it, and save some Vb for later

[@jsk1493]

Idk if anyone even cares to read this, but in codm, if you just have enough cp to purchase battlepass without purchasing all tiers you'll get you cod points back just by playing

[@elemangell2981]

People have already mentioned this one but huge shout out to Deep Rock Galactic's season passes. They're free for every player in a game you already paid for, it offers cool new cosmetics mostly relevant to the season's theme, it's formatted as an expanding tree instead of a linear line so you can work towards specific rewards you want, you can progress it faster than normal if you complete extra challenges during missions unique to the season, and best of all, once the season ends, all of the pass' contents are put into the random drop pools for crates and packs you can find during missions. Easily the most consumer-friendly pass I've ever seen, in a co-op game no less, and if you truly wanna spend some money to support the devs, they also launch awesome unique cosmetic DLC each season for only 5-10 dollars. Rock & stone forever Ghost Ship Games!!

[@pige0223]

ROCK AND STONE FOREVER

[@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588]

The best part is that the crates aren't too rare either. There's about 1/4 chance of every mission spawning one.

[@mango_man1355]

For rock and stone!!

[@staletaco5548]

ROCK AND STONE BROTHER

[@yesineedtheplasticchairitc3065]

ROCK AND STONE

[@NearyDead]

I think another thing about the Fortnite battle pass that at least used to make it very unique is the missions you do for xp were actually interesting and quick to do. They had you explore different areas of the map and that gave hints about the story or showed you secret areas you didn’t know about. Interacting with the actual world made it feel like there was a point to them. I know not every game can have challenges like that but some games challenges are just so tedious or boring that it feels like a chore to try to complete them

[@dmacg5520]

Especially those challenges where u had to find that star in the loading screens those were cool af

[@matthewdennis2911]

@@dmacg5520 man I messed those, the last one was back in Chapter 2 Season 1 to spell Fortnite.

[@Heyn_17]

Fortnite did (and still does) so many things good that its a same the hate it gets.

[@dmacg5520]

@@matthewdennis2911 wish they kept those they were always fun

[@shun2232]

People refuse to give Fortnite the credit it deserves and I'm tired of pretending the game is garbage, cause it's not, it truly is a simple while chaotic masterpiece, not the best game ever, but still really good

[@pietroalessandrini]

The most sisappointing thing is that progressions systems are now useless or are directly removed from the game which also removes 30% of the fun

[@RubyRevenant2]

I'm glad Splatoon's Catalogs are free, and basically wrap around once completed to give you random freebies so you don't have to spend gold. Still feels a bit grindy, but I'm satisfied by it :3

[@arikaaa69]

I love that it gives you something to really work for. In the previous games after leveling up enough that you can buy all the weapons, there's nothing left to level up for besides money that you will have too much of to spend. Splatoon 3 made unlocking the dab feel like an accomplishment, and since you can upgrade gear with money (also Hotlantis) there's always shit to spend money on

[@ajpoland1094]

​@@arikaaa69The shell out machine also helps with giving something to spend money on. Nowhere near as reliable for something new/useful after reaching max level, but it's existence is welcome imo.

[@the.lord.of.lactose]

Like some people in the comments have already said deep rock galactic has a good battle pass system due to the fact that it is entirely free and you can get any cosmetic items in it after the season due to them being put in crates and other things that can be found on missions Edit: I would love to see Macro do a video or a few on deep rock galactic

[@daveed51]

Games have changed so much, really makes you wonder what the future has in store for video games

[@MREAGLE-6666]

"1 kidney for the left quarter of the charm, but don't worry our dear players, if you give 2 kidneys you get 2 quarters and another for freeee!"

[@navdeepsingh3508]

It's probably gonna hit the floor soon but the. It will shoot up again. Circle of time

[@phant0mshad0w56]

In the future, video games will be in VR. There will be the same number of semi-worthless free items, but some you can only access if you happen to be tall, and some are in holes so narrow you can only access them if ur small irl. This is the wisdom of the future.

[@GhostIsAYandere]

They battle passes but dont even try to give it value, just straight up scam, but make you buy them just for progression

[@rando4475]

In the future every item is going to have a monetary value and unique design just like nfts, this is already becoming a thing since metaverse

[@snoot5726]

I think the branching paths make the battle passes so much more complicated and harder to use

[@Umbra_Skull]

I think Fall Guys has a really good battle pass system. Gives you enough premium currency to get the next pass, enough kudos to grab some stuff from the shop, and is very easy to complete. It only took me 10 - 15 hours to complete the whole pass and there were like 4 weeks in the season left when I finished it. On top of that Fall Guyd always has some cool colab going on really making the pass worth considering.

[@arlomichie7550]

owned by epic so its like the fortnite one which is great!

[@kosmosfan01]

Yeah. That Alien skin caight me off guard in a good way with that celebration. Loved it. That first season was really easy to level up with just dailys/weeklys so I was glad they extended it to 200 this time and it's still honestly really easy to level. I'm currently at 155 because I still enjoy the game but I do hope that fix the maps and put them back as the small map pool is make things repetitive or hopefully that map editor will release soon. Can't wait for that.

[@MrMicrowave7]

Another battle pass like that is Fortnite’s, and like another guy said it makes sense since their both owned by Epic. Fortnite and Fall Guys’ (and Deep Rock Galactic I’ve heard) passes are examples of how to do battle passes correctly imo

[@jaythec7994]

💀

[@mosshivenetwork117]

Noice

[@adammansfeld9866]

Sea of Thieves has a really good battle (plunder) pass, it's basically free, except a few cosmetics that will be available in the in-game store later anyway, and you have WAY more time than you need to complete it. Same goes for Deep Rock Galactic, which has it's battlepass completely free and also very easy to finish

[@chaffyrogue9554]

The problem I have with sea of thieves is how long it takes to complete anything. Like 3 hours for some loot. What can the loot even get you?? More pirate drip??

[@GameFraek]

@@chaffyrogue9554 I mean the whole point of sea of thieves is to go on long adventures to get commendations and loot. The main reason the loot is valuable is because of the effort required to get it. I can see why not everyone likes this though as you're grinding just to grind basically

[@theheavysleeper2845]

The pass is good, but after having a sword as the legend item three times in a row it gets lame. And god forbid I use the ship cosmetics I got, cause they look like they were pulled out of a dumpster. There are a few good things like some pieces from the outfits look nice and sometimes the sails look nice. I’m pretty sure the only battle pass items I have used were the lucky hand cosmetics, and that was seasons ago. If I were to change it I would take all the titles away, have a theme with the ship cosmetics, and give a legend item that had some exclusive thing attached, like the Wanda spyglass allowing you to see the outfits of the ghosts.

[@SnesySnas]

It's crazy how they have an example of the PERFECT Battle Pass, and they choose to not look at it and instead look at the revenue it brings

[@loneXolf]

It's clear they were looking at valorant a lot for pricing.

[@jarskii11]

Every single battlepass is shit

[@luckycharms4936]

Really loved this video, I think you did a good job. I really enjoyed the topic and the breakdown of what went wrong. You want in depth into the history and I really liked the explanation. Overall great content and I look forward to seeing more stuff like this on your channel. You never cease to entertain me keep up the good work.

[@archangelsed]

I’m surprised no one mentioned Doom Eternal here. Every battle pass they release is free as well and the best part about it is that if you miss out the second time, you can just buy the set of cosmetics in that pass for like $9.

[@user-wr8bs8vx9r]

No FOMO? Is there exclusive stuff in Doom Eternal BP?

[@archangelsed]

@@user-wr8bs8vx9r Not any that I’m aware of

[@illubenjaminillubenjamin2180]

@@archangelsed is doom eternal a online game?

[@archangelsed]

@@illubenjaminillubenjamin2180 There’s single player modes and an online multiplayer

[@illubenjaminillubenjamin2180]

@@archangelsed ok I didn’t know that I thought this was only a single player game.

[@arzoucaillou5107]

Probably has been said a bunch of times, but Deep Rock Galactic's battle pass is truly a wonder. Everything is free and available after the season is over, you can even chose in which order you get some cosmetics, and the quality of what you get is honestly very good. Rock and Stone!

[@yesineedtheplasticchairitc3065]

ROCK AND STONE BROTHA!

[@mobster503]

ROCK AND STONE, BROTHER

[@axt2]

there's a reason that game is universally adored

[@Cracker_Smacker]

For Karl!

[@SrFatTabby]

I really like MCC's battle pass, all of its free, there's a ton of valuable cosmetics, and you can pick and choose what items you want to get from each game first.

[@benjaminbuchler6064]

What is that even?

[@insidious8054]

@@benjaminbuchler6064 master chief collection

[@SrFatTabby]

@@benjaminbuchler6064 The Halo Master Chief Collection

[@daniltodorov9782]

@@SrFatTabby Its great right

[@wafabilalkhawatmi2605]

I was confused and thought he meant Minecraft champion chip

[@Rana__]

Shatterline should've been in this video. You get a gun skin for almost EVERY gun in the game, get tons of the free currency to upgrade your gear, get loads of crates to earn random camos and unlocks, and earn enough currency to buy the next pass and have some extra leftover

[@Camophlo]

8:25 Tbh as stressful Dbd is to play sometimes, I have to argue that it’s my favorite battlepass game. The cosmetics are plentiful and they recently upgraded it so there’s more tiers for those committed to playing while keeping the same cost of the pass. And it gives the currency back?? It’s a very nice battlepass.

[@mahks-pectith3179]

AND their version of "filler" rewards on the free track is just a shit ton of the most used currency in the game. I'm glad he gave them a shoutout

[@ok472]

fr. I even love the fillers sicne i like the charms

[@iamapotato3191]

Deep Rock Galactic has a really good system in general. 90% of the cosmetics are just playing the game. 5% is from the completely free 100 tier battle pass, and the last 5 is from 5-10 $ Skin DLC's Edit: The game is 30 bucks, but you get to play as a drunk dwarf committing war crimes in order to steal a planets resources so it's worth

[@SubmittedAndReadable]

Agreed. Rock and stone!

[@todalife1148]

Deep Rock is definitely a hidden gem.

[@mango_man1355]

For rock and stone!

[@arthemus9218]

Leave no dwarf behind!

[@gardyishere7265]

its really boring all you do is shoot a bunch of bugs and break rocks maybe its because i played it solo cause i dont have any friends that play it but its just really boring solo atleast

[@ericwinter9658]

A game called "deep rock galactic" has a great battle pass system tho. But you have to pay for the actual game. By doing some missions you gain BP points and extra points by completing small challenges during your missions. There is no premium track so everything is free to all players. And even if you missed a few items then dont worry because all the things that you missed are going in the normal lootpool of the game. So you can find the cosmetics during your missions. Nothing goes lost. Rock and stone!

[@LukiKruki]

You FAILED to mention you have to buy the game Deep Rock Galactic to even do the battlepass. It changes everything.

[@clays3c157]

Rock and stone! Deep rock is seriously amazing

[@duckluck3755]

That’s it lads, Rock and Stone!

[@ericwinter9658]

@@LukiKruki alright thanks. I corrected it

[@nebula8893]

@@LukiKruki the battle pass is free though, so it honestly makes it better

[@iamsomeone8175]

i do like how fortnite usually has a event roughly every season where u can get a free skin, and have events VERY regularly where u can collect other cosmetics by completely challenges (e.g. backblings, wraps, pickaxes, etc)

[@illubenjaminillubenjamin2180]

Yes Same but I hate the creators that need to say this like it is a nice item and it’s only a spray or something boring. But yes in this you could collected 4 free skins( without cups I earn a skin set from a cup but this is not for everyone so I didn’t include it.)

[@ryanator7935]

When it comes to PAID battlepass I believe that Fortnite is 100% still the king! I decided to get back into the game last season and I used my left over vbucks to buy the battlepass. Since all the seasonal challenges were out at the time I was able to complete it to tier 100 in about 3 days with minimal hours.

[@jarskii11]

I would say dota is King.

[@TheMacroShow]

What is the worst/best battle pass out there?

[@arhamparakh8849]

none all r shit

[@catsandwich3746]

hot take but codm's battlepass

[@elliottbarry3812]

The best, sea of thieves, you get 100 free tears and you can unlock it with any play style

[@arhamparakh8849]

@@elrioto same as valorant

[@redeye2261]

Overwatch 2 not 1

[@dmacg5520]

Fortnite’s pass is by far superior the amount of value u get from the the first 100 tiers is already insane but that extra tiers to earn even more customization options and the secret skin challenge add so much more value

[@smijo5949]

Yeah thats true. Tbh I don't like fortnite anymore it's gone to shit in C1S6 but I loved playing it in S2-5. One thing that fortnite always did good with their Battle Pass is that it felt rewarding. You paid 10€ and got everything just for playing a bit and you could also buy the next BP because you literally get 115% of raw V-Buck value back. The only thing that made me stop playing fortnite are all those sweaty people and the constant changing of the environment. I just want to relax and at least have "fair" battles after work and this whole building mechanic put the skill ceiling too high for me and made it unplayable as a casual player. The other thing that pushed me away was their need to always add something new to the game. You'd Stop playing for 2 weeks and suddenly there are laser cannons, UFOs, planes, etc. And while I know it's cool for some people to Always have something new it isn't for me. I don't want to learn a whole different game every 2-3 months.

[@Isxiahprodfl]

@@smijo5949 it's either the players or the devs haha

[@rockotyco]

Not to mention all kinds of free stuff Fortnite gives you just for playing and completing challenges, referring friends, events. 😂

[@P0choclo_]

Im actually glad to see Dead by Daylight's BP in the "good BP" category, because it actually is. As you mentioned before, FOMO is like the worst thing imo, because it makes people feel like that they HAVE to buy and complete the BP. In DbD the cosmetics that were in the BP return to the store after a year, so people can have "exclusive" cosmetics for a long time and then people in a future could still buy those cosmetics. The rewards are great, maybe some garbage in the middle, but there are cool skins and re-colors imo. And it seems that they added some bonus styles in the BP (just like Fortnite), because the BP was always 70 tiers, but now it is up to 85, but those 15 extra tiers are just blue and black recolors of some of the skins in the BP, so it's not something that people will say something negative, it might be like "You can have these cosmetics in a year, don't worry about it. But the people that played and completed the BP should recieve something for their dedication" and personally, I like that. Sorry for my long ahh comment lol.

[@ok472]

this rift is probably the best rift bhvr has made

[@luket.s3147]

That shaggy challenge is the only one I’ve seen that is that hyper-specific, usually based on character classes rather than singular characters. I actually think the multiversus pass is pretty good, although you’re out of luck if you don’t use any of the characters there are skins on the pass for.

[@carpentergaming2627]

If only more games had battlepasses like Deep Rock Galactics preformance pass.

[@cosmicsquid1285]

Best game

[@PhoenixRedtail]

I played Overwatch for 5 years and paid for it full price. This is my number one reason why i'm so disgusted that it was replaced with Ow2's shocking system. I wish they kept the first game around :/

[@mikejacobs8718]

The "how did you make me miss loot boxes" hit me in the feels

[@N00b0died]

I got into gaming when I was a little kid ( Around 6-7 ) and I remember when games first started getting micro transactions , loot boxes etc.. and even as a kid I hated how shitty they were. The worst part was my classmates who were also into gaming didn’t see how bad they were since they got into gaming a little later than me. I can’t believe shit like this is the industry norm , I guess I shouldn’t have thought that battlepasses would improve things.

[@urnumber1bratx]

Ikr I've got the exact same story as you

[@honestmistake8167]

Battlepasses make games feel more like a chore than a game.

[@pred.fps.]

Yh it feels like selling ur life to it

[@honestmistake8167]

@@pred.fps. fr

[@cosmicsquid1285]

I get that it’s to make us keep coming back to the game regularly but I feel like a slave sometimes

[@dmacg5520]

Depends the game

[@honestmistake8167]

@@dmacg5520 nah it always feels like a chore personally

[@Kmn483]

Super Animal Royale lets you keep any battle passes you don't finish and make progress on them at the same time you complete the current one. You can also go back and buy older passes you didn't get (at an additional fee though). This is easily the best approach I've seen to a battle pass. They're also only $5.

[@ieatkickz7745]

9:10 something I will say however is that there can sometimes be cosmetics or skins that do give an advantage to people who pay for them. The most common issue being that a skin blends in too much with the background.

[@oscarortiz1529]

this brings back memories of the blacked out Roze skin from MW2019

[@edmoore2004]

one of my favourite battle passes(if you can really call it that) is the deep roc galactic one. Mostly because everything's free, but also because you get to choose which cosmetics you get. I guess in general I love the progression of drg in its entirety

[@edmoore2004]

@@slurples149 oh shit they are lmao even more proof it's a good one I guess

[@andandy6789]

The one thing I hate about the apex battlepass is that each set of missions unlock throughout the season. This means I generally just wait till near the end of the season to complete missions in order to ensure I can progress in multiple missions especially if they require a specific legend or gun.

[@SauceMario]

I just started playing recently and after two seasons, this was the plan I made for the next season. Play more Mad Maggie and then wait for the last 2 or 3 weeks to actually work on completing missions for battle pass stuff. I barely play the legends I want because I'm always working on missions and it's just less fun than it should be.

[@domino960]

I haven't played cs:go for a long time, but as i remember, you had sth like battle pass, but without this standard bar, you were getting stars to open standard cs lootboxes, and get skins for weapons/players, which you could save or sell on market. This way you could get money or next battle pass (or not, its not internal currency, its steam wallet), or even profit some, if you were lucky and played a lot. This was really nice

[@Artician]

Operations

[@Kitsune0517]

I had a bug where I got some of the final level stuff for a battle pass, though I don't remember which game, and didn't pay for the battle pass

[@Ope334]

I think the way to fix battle passes is making everything earned and if you want a boost then pay for in game currency. I think battle passes have the potential to fully replace the loot boxes.

[@dddripz]

Personally, I think that unlockable loot boxes will always be better than battle passes, even if they're completely free. I get the problems with having paid loot boxes, but I miss the feeling of not knowing what you're gonna get until you open the box.

[@Ope334]

@@dddripzbut that's the thing. What if you get the worst item you could ever have? With Battle passes you know what you wanna get and you need to do the hard work to get that item not something that will might be stupid.

[@mrblade6163]

For good battle passes Deep rock galatic does a phenomenal job, the pass is free, you get tons of rewards and all of the cosmetics then go into either the store (which you spend in game credits and materials on not money) or loot pods that you can find out on your missions. Another good pass is the for honor pass, you do have to play and it dosent give money back but the stuff in it is worth. Also SirSwag did a video ranking battle passes if you want to check that out

[@theoandernack8427]

Infor honor you also have too much time to complete it so it's confortable

[@jokotri2186]

I'm a single player gamer, the thought of buying in-game cosmetic is fuckin ludicrous. WHY?

[@podcasthub7526]

Seeing Deep Rock Galactic being mentioned so much warms my heart. ROCK AND STONEE!

[@Merlithemimic]

I finished my Overwatch 2 Battle pass yesterday, it was very easy and I didn't focus on any challenges just an hour or two 3-6 times a week and sat down thinking wow this was a pretty decent pass, but then I remembered I had Kiriko unlocked before buying the battle pass so most returning players got to see this as a pretty nice pass since we have her from the jump. All they have to do is take the hero out of the pass, just do that and the pass instantly becomes better but not just that add a few more levels to give us our money back from it (This will also encourage people to buy things from that overpriced shop, so I am a big glad they didn't but at the same time I would've never bought anything since I have every skin I wanted from Overwatch.) , at that point Overwatch's battle pass will be leagues above others. Nowhere near the greatness of Fortnite's pass because that model imo is just perfection, but would be better than Apex's, because I could complain about Apex's pass for hours. I hope that OW2 can have a pass that is good and fix that terrible store because did anyone see those Halloween skins? Sheesh. I also would love if every battle pass was like Halo's in that you can do a previous one if you'd like to finish or start it, I really think that is a good way for newer players to hop in and gain more and more things. Oh and also do the mini passes that Halo and Apex do during events for free stuff, great system to have for free players.

[@fuscello]

I fully agree, they should at least change the locked hero stuff. OW always had the best cosmetics and I don’t think the new hero needs to be there to drive people into buying it (especially because the mythic skin is there anyway). I also finished it pretty easily, so I don’t understand that part of macro’s point tbh

[@AresGod0fWar]

I think it’s fine if the character is unlocked via the battle pass (if the character is free) but just change it to tier 5 or something.

[@Rayan.7]

Exactly! OW BP is not that bad, actually it’s better than most (yep i said it). It’s the very first BP and it will improve like Fortnite and Apex but people wanna talk shit about it even though it’s just the first BP .. I’m sure it will get better later on and this video and these hating comments will age like milk

[@blacklistedpirate4169]

"I didn't do any challenges" cap

[@themagicalaxolotl2258]

@@blacklistedpirate4169 they said they didn't focus on any challenges not that they didn't do them. Those are entirely different sentences

[@ashozz]

It’s maybe the fifth video I saw about battlepasses and I’m amazed at how none of them talked about deep rock galactic. This game have got it right since the start! It’s an incredible game made by à Little team. It has a dedicated player base and is still rocking today. It has a free system for cosmetic in game, a fully fledged free battlepasse and some dlc for pack of skins. You pay for your game but the developers respects your investment and gives you a game with a high customizable character for free and a easy battle pass to complete. If you don’t manage to finish your battlepasse they add all the missing comestic in a free event in game to claim again for you. The dlc feels more like a supporting pack for the developers and you could avoid it completely if you are not interested and still get a lot of freedom on customization. I highly encourage all of you to check out this game. It has been one of my favorite. It’s been the first time I felt respected by the developers for my time investment in game. Rock and stone miners!

[@jacksonsather8278]

Splatoon 3 also has a kind of battle pass called catalogues, but you don't have to pay for it and it gives great stuff like money, food and drink tickets and mystery boxes. I bought the game a few weeks late and the first catalogue finishes tomorrow and I got to catalogue level 51 by just playing with friends.

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

It’s honestly staggering that 343 screwed up infinites pass so bad when they already had one of the best battle pass systems on MCC already.

[@Webi_]

I miss when Fall guys cost. You can have any skin you want by winning crowns, that makes you really want to play and win. It rewarded your effort.

[@cowinatux6763]

I love these commentary videos, can't wait to see the next topic you discuss!

[@kosmosfan01]

A BP season is gonna be at least 2 1/2 months and it feels like it's more than enough time depending on the game, especially if you're active and as point out, the quests for extra XP don't have you doing stupid stuff. In some games I play, I'll do dailys and maybe a few extra matches if I have the time or am in the mood like in OW2 and got to tier 80 in about three weeks since I did spend a few hours with friends as well. I hate when passes don't give you enough currency. OW2 lowered the team kill weekly to 10 because 20 was definitely a ridiculous amount so it's more doable but it wouldn't surprise me if they do end up adding another 500+ currency to the pass with it being only 80 tiers so you could end up earning the next without being forced to do all the weeklys. Genshin's nice because besides a small number of premium exclusive stuff, the paid path just gives you more of what you already get in the free tier to help with progression.

[@wegas308]

I love your videos some much man, all of them Even the videos on games that I will never play! You are just so fun to watch, never end please ♥️

[@Arteksoff]

Honestly, I'm surprised no one mentioned fallout 76. I haven't played much but when the newest battle pass got announced I got really excited and wanted a specific item that was halfway through the pass...I gave up after around 2 weeks of playong every day and completing as many daily challenges as I could. I still got nowhere near unlocking the item I wanted.

[@brandonmunsen6035]

Get good

[@arifkarim4184]

I used to only play Valorant and when I started playing Apex and wanted to try to buy the BP once, I was surprised most of the stuff like character and gun skins, especially the epic and legendary ones, in the BP were quite more nicer compared to the skins in Valorant's BP, in terms of value, which for me, at least, the values of Valorants BP cosmetics are like rare type cosmetics in Apex.

[@CaptainSaumon]

In my opinion, the best example of a good battle pass in a $60 game is the one in Splatoon 3. It is not behind a paywall so after the initial $60, you don't have to pay again (I think it's bullcrap to have microtransactions in a game you've already paid for). It has cool rewards , isn't too long to complete and doesn't have bad and specific missions: you just have to play the game and the first win of every day gives you almost a full level-up. And even if you do miss some rewards, you can get them in a gacha machine which also contains other rewards (while of course having no microtransactions as the gacha system uses the in-game coins you gain just by playing)

[@bigearl1624]

There should be a game where you can buy and earn items, but if you buy it, the item has a big watermark that says "I didn't earn this"

[@clickboat4790]

Ow2’s battlepass is so bad it hurt. The skins - apart from the mythic Genji - aren’t even worth it either. It’s especially disappointing after Overwatch 1 had such a consumer friendly monetisation system. Can’t believe we’re actually missing lootboxes now.

[@BANExLORD]

Kiriko’s skin is great lol

[@Michael-pn4xu]

Skins will always be subjective, so I wouldn't use that against it. Also, it's not fair to the devs (who don't choose how to monetize their game btw) to expect them to make free stuff for us for nothing in return. Do we not remember where loot boxes took us? 3 years of content drought. We can't have our cake and eat it too.

[@HydroTurtle]

I think Dead by daylight’s battle pass (rift) is really well done actually, although I think the game should be FTP and some compensation for people who bought it before it was FTP

[@princcraft]

The only downside I can see with the DBD battle pass is that it takes a lot to finish it (I used to play 10 matches a day and still didn't get to the end lol) and also some challenges being only available for certain characters/perks, which also directly affects the progression speed.

[@Phantom_Kraken]

I 100% agree it should be free to play especially since it has a lot of dlc and cosmetics for revenue (Although having a bunch of new players initially will be frustrating but worth it long term)

[@joshuadonohoe199]

Nah it takes way to long to level up and is stuffed with charms and reused skins

[@ok472]

I agree since most characters are obtainable through dlc or grinding

[@HydroTurtle]

@@ok472 yessir

[@thatdude9588]

I forgot about rocket league but it’s system is quite good. I’m a bit into the trading in the game and the items have decent value to them, and I love that I can get past items by trading with players that have them. One of my favourite cars is from an old pass

[@weirdwalkingdeadtheorys370]

What’s the background music?? It’s so fire

[@arf101088]

i love overwatch 2's gameplay, i think some of the big cosmetics they've released are amazing, but the systems in place aren't respectful of the players' time or money. with their exorbitant prices, they probably have reduced their earnings inadvertently

[@rocketscam]

Agreed, everything is just so overpriced. But I enjoy the gameplay

[@yntristn]

I feel like the main issue is with thier system is them not including credits to buy it back plus a bit extra yea we get credits but it takes FOREVER for weekly quests im only at 200 an I’ve been playing for a month already thank god I had most of the items in the game already

[@arf101088]

war flashbacks to 20 team kills

[@kosmosfan01]

@@arf101088 😆

[@jarskii11]

Ow1.5 was biggest scam of this decade In gaming. That was complet shit. I bought a game with 60euros. Then they steal it from me and give patched p2w version back. I hate seeing blizz fall so low...

[@hudsondzc]

Destiny 2's Seasonal Passes are somewhat predatory because they don't give you any Silver (which is the premium currency you need to get it) but at least they give you cool cosmetics and exotic weapons for grinding. And the XP challenges aren't the most tedious (unless it's anything Gambit related)

[@dexter_hicks]

The difference with D2 is that you're buying the whole season, which includes the season pass, so it's way better value for money overall - there's no way Bungie could afford to give players silver in the pass

[@genjo5849]

true they should give you silver but they do give all the seasonal content with the bp so im good with it

[@cerulean5032]

You can't really compare Destiny's BP to other battlepasses, as with Destiny the bp is just sort of a thing tacked on to the season. In reality when buying a season in Destiny, it's for whatever content is in it, not the battlepass. Even when playing the game and grinding xp, it's never for the battlepass, it's for the other systems in the game that also use experience to progress.

[@FrostySiete]

The Cycle Frontier has a really awesome battle pass! You get a lot of different cosmetics which are subjective, but anything that directly affects gameplay is in the free pass. Any new weapons, armors, materials, or tokens are all free, also, the battle pass pays for itself by returning more than enough premium currency to by the next battle pass, and you also earn premium currency for free by just playing cycle and upgrading your premium currency generator

[@TRG_R17]

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[@scrubz5326]

Thank you

[@Spubbily01]

Halo Infinite's battle passes themselves have very great value, but it takes way too long to level them up and the seasons are just too long in general. I hope Match XP will fix this.

[@davidsebastianlozanotorres5168]

Something I will say about infinite is their event passes, the are free and are tied to the special gamemode, but the base armor core is ugly, and you need weeks to complete so is a good/bad think

[@Spubbily01]

@@davidsebastianlozanotorres5168 True, the Fractures armor cores are very good looking, especially the Yoroi one. I just wish you didn't have to do those stupid Fiesta challenges.

[@MaxRamos8]

Another downside, since forntine more and more games are being pushed out broken and early access but still implement passes so they can milk players and SLOWLY fix the game

[@Spubbily01]

@@MaxRamos8 True, I wish they delayed Halo Infinite by another year because we're only now getting the stuff that was promised on launch. It's also what happened to Cyberpunk 2077

[@brandonsaldivar7410]

I think giving in game currency in the pass is a must i feel that games that dont have that just have bad passes

[@thetabo8648]

Everyone's mentioning Deep Rock Galactic, so here's another one I thing does it well: MC dungeons. The passes are kept in the game and you can pick whichever one you want to be doing at the time, so even if it's starting S3 you can go do S1 instead if you want, and they only have cosmetics which have 0 impact on the game or helpful big currency boosts, while still being bery cheap

[@wcapeling]

My biggest problem is that the yearly release games like COD and sports games still feature a battle pass and itemshop. With fortnite, it was a new unique game and was one of the first games to go free to play, so I have no problem with that. I also like battlepasses on old games that keep people playing so the game doesn’t die, like R6 Siege and Rocket League (I still prefer lootboxes over item shop on Rocket League). What I hate the most is elite franchises like Halo and Ovewatch which had the perfect system but they were greedy for money.

[@Azuriiee]

I'm kinda sad to see Fall Guys fall into the same fate. But at least getting a single pass will give you the ability to buy the next pass (if you don't spend the premium currency, ofc. Still worse than the old system).

[@illubenjaminillubenjamin2180]

It’s because Epic Games bought them and yes this is good.

[@AlineaEuros]

back then dlc was also a problem as games would rather be partially finished unless you bought the DLC with it, not to mention how there was also on disk DLC, how content in disk would already be in it but you would need to pay the "DLC" to gain access to it.

[@Naim54321]

9:10 Except for Ow 2 Cuz we can’t play the new hero in ranked 😐

[@selena89091]

Ow2 needs to do something that no other game does, LISTEN TO THE PLAYERS

[@Jabbs.]

i see the battlepass system as payinging a subscription to the developers so they can keep making the game better. good video btw i agree a lot with your points

[@istvanlorinczi2817]

The thing is, which game has gotten better, and would it have gotten even better if the game itself costed money?

[@daniltodorov9782]

Well, you support the devs but the battle passes are pretty bad, so you dont even get any value of buying it

[@Jabbs.]

@@istvanlorinczi2817 i see your point however if you have already paid for the game, why would they pay developers to keep making further content

[@Jabbs.]

@@daniltodorov9782 very true brother

[@istvanlorinczi2817]

@@Jabbs. because most of these companies budget comes from their share prices, not directly from game sales (which the store/digital distributor takes a decent cut off anyway). It is true that games today cost more to make then let's say 10 years ago, but 10 years ago, the companies didn't have the net worths they do today. Regardless, a $60 game purchase is (on average) more profit then a free game with a battlepass. ~90% of free to play players are going to stay free to play no matter the pricing the suits make up. You could make a battlepass $5 and the majority wouldn't buy it. And I highkey doubt a free game can even have 10x the playerbase their paid counterparts had (or 60x, if the paid game is $60, and the BP in the free one is $10).

[@KeinAzzlack]

Actually I like that apex' bp forces you sometimes to use different legends or weapons cuz it brings variety in your playstyle

[@BepisBopis]

I used to finish Apex's BP with 3+ weeks left to spare and barely noticed. My gf and I played everyday this weekend for about 5-7 hours each day, and we're only level 9. What changed???

[@fearful6202]

As someone who rotates between 4 games with “battle passes,” it’s definitely hard to keep up and play 4 games at the same time. Edit: Fortnite might be one the most annoying games to play(for me anyways) but it’s battle pass is definitely the best. If anything I feel like it should be a standard for battle passes.

[@codaah]

to me, multiversus's battle pass challenges are good as they stop you from doing the same thing over and over and over again keepng the game fresh and bringing new playstyles that you wouldnt have tried otherwise, but thats just for me

[@randomahnameisthename3147]

I think that if multiversus just added more tiers and included their currency in the battle pass it would be pretty good.

[@zzzarkka]

The ammount of greed that shows up is just wild. They don't realize they could make way more.

[@nocturne3677]

i feel like destiny 2 has a really nice battle pass system, because one of the seasonal exotic weapons is included in the free pass, it grants some cool cosmetics and the overarching story can be played if you own the pass.

[@ludwigtheascendant]

D2 main here. Yeah it’s good, maybe it should give silver, but it doesn’t focus that much on cosmetics, rather in game currencies

[@blasty117]

Yeah. It doesnt do cosmetics at its core. It gives things that directly affect your game and you can use. Other than there being no way to get silver for free, its a solid pass

[@blatantclickbaiter1205]

D2 is good but to me it always took a while to level up

[@ludwigtheascendant]

@@blatantclickbaiter1205 I have had my warlock for 4 years, everything leveled, masterworked etc. it took me like 48 hours in game to level my new hunter to GM levels, imagine how confusing/long it must be for new players

[@blatantclickbaiter1205]

@@ludwigtheascendant yeah, its a bit of a pain, plus last i checked the challenges were annoying, like "Go to this plaint and kill these people."

[@tonydak8573]

I love VALORANT but I also think that the leveling up system is ridiculously steep. You really have to put in 6 to 8 hours of work on a daily to get the most out of it, EVEN ON UNRANKED, when you’re already committed to other things. I’m glad you made this video because I have been experiencing gamer burnout. There’s so many games out right now that are vying for your attention with passes. MultiVersus while great is an absolute chore. 12,000 pieces of candy to unlock Calico Cake skin variant when at most you award 40 to 80 pieces of candy after two matches? And this is supposed to be a HALLOWEEN event. On top of that, leveling that battle pass was work when you would only progress 2 to 3 tiers A DAY even after completing some of the daily and seasonal challenges. Apex Legends is ridiculous as it forces you to play with a legend that you don’t want just to get 10 FREAKING Stars to level up and now they want to add STICKERS as a cosmetic? Modern Warfare 2’s progression system is problematic for new players because the criteria for doing unlocks is very grindy. Just to reach level 12 to unlock the spy camera that was in beta required 2 to 3 hours of game play. Not to mention you have to level up one gun to the max just to have enough unlocks for another weapon. My cinder hurricane is sitting at a paltry rank 5 after just two hours of game play. I’m looking at a whole roster of weapons that are LOCKED. Games are no longer being designed for the average player. They are being designed for the player who is going to make gaming a BUSINESS.

[@kolehval]

I play valorant for like 2 hours max per day and complete the battle pass in a month. All you have to do is do the dailies and weeklies and you'll complete it

[@tonydak8573]

@@kolehval That’s easy if it is the only game that you play.

[@DsgSleazy]

Tip for MW2, play invasion. Got 3 of my guns from 0 to max and 2 gold in a couple hours of that godsend of a mode combined with hardpoint.

[@nickybakes]

Thanks for shouting out Knockout City!

[@thegamingtwelve2104]

one thing i think should've been mentioned for cod's battle passes is the fact they're mostly connected, if you have black ops cold war you fully have the option to buy the battle pass from that game, but EVERY reward in it can only be used in say warzone and vanguard for example, people may buy these and not realise the only thing they get is currency

[@ahmedelzmety2798]

I like how ubisoft heard the feedback of the community of r6s and slowly improved the battle pass making for a lot of good cosmetics that tells a specific story of the lore and the alpha pack system as well.

[@dennisa.3035]

The grind for the Valorant bp isn't that bad, you can get the Melee (Lvl 50) with just doing the dailies and weeklies. Yes, the weeklies can be tedious depending on what the challenges are, but the dailies require less than an hour per day. Some you can finish in 1 Replication/Spike rush (10min). The biggest problem are the rewards imo.

[@Krokless]

No it is bad when you don’t play everyday, 3 hours, be good and win games. It is super long and the cosmetic are bull….

[@Dominosmmmm]

I once used 5 challenge swaps in Halo infinite and kept getting forced to play rumble pit when I didn't want to play it it pissed me off

[@The_whales]

I played a roblox game called evade and it’s pass had no pw2 bullshit but the amount of time it gets to unlock everything is ridiculous, you only 12 tickets(assuming your in “hard” mode maps) if you survive all 3 minutes without being killed and 15 for specials round, and it toke me 4,118 tickets to get everything

[@ToadTWE]

My biggest gripe of the battle pass is that you can’t complete it after the season ends. I always find myself grinding the battle pass rather than just enjoying the game, and I felt like I was bonded to a certain game until I finished the pass. I wish that most games would allow you to grind the pass after the season ends, so that way you get everything out of the pass that you paid for

[@michaelpressley8040]

The best battle pass system I’ve ever seen has to me deep rock galactics system

[@josephcasper8803]

Then you would love halo(of course when it gets better to the public)

[@jmaster4941]

Knockout City also has the "Street Rank" Pass which is a pass that doesn't expire that gives you tons of cool shit even if you don't pay any money. It's really good.

[@dannynw713]

I used to go into a store to find a game. Now I go into a game and find a store

[@distritochristianangeloa.157]

People should know that Valve pioneered the Battlepass system with Dota 2 few years before Fortnite and the Battlepass actual helps crowd-funded the Biggest esports tournament (The International) prize pool that's why it has the highest prize pool

[@taserface780]

i really want a DRG video from macro its such an underrated game

[@drubo17]

agreed, its one of my favourite co-op game😊

[@cosmicsquid1285]

Judging by how many comments here are giving glowing reviews about it, and how it’s been growing a lot recently, I think it is inevitable he will make one eventually. Favourite game and it’s so awesome to see so many nice comments about it

[@eston3418]

I’d love to see DRG get more coverage from content creators. It’s such a gem of a game, and the devs and community are just pure wonderful. Rock and Stone, miner!

[@taserface780]

@@eston3418 rock and stone ✊

[@cosmicsquid1285]

@@eston3418 yeah, it feels like every large content creator plays it once but never again for some reason

[@BlueGhost7097]

Thank you Macro for pointing this out, hopefully apex sees this and improves the battle pass because i have wanted to buy the battle passes for season's now but haven't been able to because i just don't have the time for it, because what do they want me to do, focus on a fucking battle pass gradually losing my mind with challenges whilst not bringing in money so i can't feed my self.

[@gamingzilla2463]

Probably one the best passes I’ve ever seen has got to be a game called For honour, you progress through the tiers just by playing matches and it has good cosmetics that can go to every character in the game at various tiers. It also refunds all the money you paid and usually gives you more than you paid for if you complete the pass as a whole

[@SOLIDKOTAI_]

one thing that really grinds my gears are games that you buy and have battle passes like wtf whyyyy

[@XayLies]

You forgot to mention Fortnite also lets you to choose which reward you want to get with the Battle Stars so you can focus on taking the V-Bucks from the pass first or the skin you want (if you are in the tier-range for it) And being stuck with a FUCKING STUPID SPRAY