The Downfall of Farming Simulator (A Theory)

Today we discover if Farming Simulator is on a decline and what that means for the FS community.
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[@FarmingSimulator]

Never remove Multiplayer or Mod Support. Noted!

[@drag0v]

Yes and nothing else probably, in the next game we'll just change the numbers in the title and add a few tiny things instead of doing something that modders can't implement into the game (same game wrapped in new paper)

[@paavalio.editz.1192]

Thank you farming simulator you rock, keep up the work!

[@johnisntfunctioning1124]

Us switch players over here.

[@lowbattery2397]

in game coop/split screen would be awesome

[@cyclopgarage]

@@adyadita4640 lol buy a better pc my guy, FS19 and FS22 are perfect from that perspective

[@boss9mustang404]

We have seen numerous companies try to compete with FS and they have all mostly failed. Pure Farming and Farming USA (mobile game) are great games but FS just blows them all out of the park. FS will probably never die.

[@nicopinzel]

@@boss9mustang404 there also was another game called „professional farmer“ or something like that. It’s abandoned by now but can still be bought. It went all for realism and nailed it (but as it’s abandoned, the existing bugs and flaws will never be fixed)

[@jaygatsby6369]

For anybody who hasn’t watched and is here, don’t stress! All this video is, is that if they add that you need to pay for mods or multiplayer, it’d mess things up badly.

[@pheumann86]

Best comment under the worst video.

[@jaygatsby6369]

@@pheumann86 yea… its kinda clickbait

[@novyxl9672]

Yeah, miss are the only reason this game didn't die in its early 15 and before

[@JONIZFISHING]

You just ripped all the happiness out of my body

[@bullhauler3649]

😂

[@lyndonstahl1083]

Same

[@clayton3632]

I feel you

[@bikeman1431]

watch the entire video before you comment..

[@RiseOfMusic]

Dynamic ground is a must! I know theIr engine need a big upgrade. But they sold enough copies to finance that.

[@cowkiller2189]

You underestimate the cost of game development. Also dynamic ground I think doesn't need to be in the game. I have played agricultural simulator in the past and it was a lot more realistic the Farm Sim at the time but not as fun to play.

[@RiseOfMusic]

@@cowkiller2189 If they want to be in the top they definitely need more realistic things, like dynamic ground

[@gdwnet]

Can I see your breakdown of their profits and the cost and development time to make the change you've requested?

[@4DModding]

Why - what difference will it make to game play. It will never happen

[@cavemanbonk8320]

@@4DModding pretty big gameplay differences, like not being able to bring semis with fully loaded trailers onto fields without getting stuck, or it just making more sense to actually follow roads vs driving through all the fields instead

[@welch7954]

Dynamic ground is definitely a must

[@demitrimarlin2463]

Agreed

[@welch7954]

I won’t even buy the next one if it doesn’t have dynamic ground

[@victim2077]

Is it really? I've played a few farming games with it and after initial "that's cool" it morphs into pain in the arse. And knowing Giants I'll take current "flat earth" over flying tractors due to physics glitch. I can not even imagine what bizarre things would happen with dynamic ground + bales/logs on the trailer.

[@Zero01k]

Dynamic ground? Nah, horses and choice of clothing on a character you barely see are far more important than dynamic ground

[@dragonragenl]

Cattle and crops did it only the game failt and the developers run out of money. Its a shame the game looks very good.

[@ChuckThunder]

I respectfully disagree with the full control of the "cock-pit" with levers and buttons (integrated controls and displays). Although I could see the allure of wanting to try that out and experience it so long as it stays and option and not a requirement. I wouldn't want it to be the main way to play. When I first saw the title "Farming Simulator", I was concerned it was going to be as complex as "Flight Simulator" and likely not be able to play the game because of the learning curve. I was excited to see it's general simplicity and with mods adding desired and customizable complexity. People who want that true Simulator experience invest in button mapping everything on wheels, control modules and pedals along with screens and multiple monitors. This kind of Farming Simulator would be a deterent I think for the general mass of players that casually play.

[@Ben-fk9ey]

Whilst definitely not as complicated as piloting a plane from my experience irl having to push all the buttons in a cab in a game would get really tedious really fast. I don't think it'd that complex once you get used to it but farming simulator is so sped up compared to irl that you'd be constantly pushing buttons and flicking between cab and 3rd person view.

[@dennismmm]

i have an idea. you have a choice on how to play, shocker

[@ChuckThunder]

@@dennismmm I think having the choice to make it more complex is better for the general mass of players than making it more complex upon release and then having to simplify it.

[@dennismmm]

@@ChuckThunder they can easily make both options available upon release.

[@ChuckThunder]

@@dennismmm I'm thinking from a business perspective mostly not purely from a technical stand point. The more appeal toy make the game to the general public users the better.

[@SpaceDustStuff]

I'd like to see a Farming Sim MMO with player created contracts, trading, etc. I'd also like to see a more developed serious progression system including in the character system.

[@kurtisf3366]

There are several multiplayer communities out there that deliver most of what you’re looking for. Communities like FSN have contract features and move the money from in game to a website based system and can get very elaborate. I’m not specifically recommending FSN (lots of people have issues with it), but they were one of the first and there’s lots of others who have taken the idea and run with it.

[@SpaceDustStuff]

@@kurtisf3366 Where can I find out more?

[@rjtaylor677]

I think with the success they have made in the last years they really need to bump up the changes from title to title. For a game with millions of selled copys its not enough to just provide 2 small maps every year and let the modders do the important stuff.

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

They need a new engine, and maybe go for a more Minecraft sales approach. Instead of new release, just release one and give free updates. They could make money with initial sales and maybe a multiplayer subscription, like Realms. You may think it's and EA move but it really isn't since every hosted server costs money and it isn't Giants responsibility to offer the free service. They should instead focus on updates while the community hosts it's own servers and add more content with mods.

[@koffmann1689]

Can you imagine a world with only one toothpaste brand? That's Farming Simulator for you! A unique game supported by the shoulders of modders with no real competition. It's really possible that in the upcoming years with the increasingpopularity of farming games that a big company will see this market gap and dev a new farming sim game. There's no improvements realistically speaking of F22. Seasons? Mod. Factories? Mod. Not even Ray tracing, realistic shadows or anything worth to make a real impact on the game, they did advertise "3D PNG Textures" a 12 year old technology. I love this game, but I would trade every hour that I played in it, just to get a glimpse from what a real Farming Sim looks like. Hope to one day retire and buy myself a dairy farm, but right now I can't leave my well payed job, so my only escape is Farming Simulator 22 to relax.

[@kingtiger3390]

There's a big reason behind all the possible FS competitors coming up over the years crashing and burning straight away.

[@dakluitgaming]

You do realise that those mods you mention are all possible because Giants made it possible? Also remember that the engine for fs17 was built upon to create the one for fs22. That was the main reason why seasons wasn't in fs19. Besides, mods are a perfect way for Giants to see what players like. Dynamic terrain wasn't really a thing in 2017, so it would be logical that it's not in the engine right? It is now, and for a few years already, so maybe in the next installment it would be possible to have dynamic ground. Maybe the one after.

[@longlivedruby8854]

The same thing is true with sport video games, especially 2k. They have no real competition so they can get away with releasing bad games year after year

[@InternetReviewerGuy]

No big company would create a simulator game. The reason FS is so much better than any competitors is because they are willing to produce a game that is just barely profitable. They are not raking in cash like people think.

[@canadiantoque229]

@@InternetReviewerGuy well farm sim 22 has sold around 3 million copies at an average of 60 dollars a game that’s 180 million. Your trying to tell us that it cost close to that to make the game lol

[@SOfilmable]

I have said it multiple time, but I am one of those person who thinks VR is a must for FS. How immersive would it be. It would be, for me personally, the most played VR game for sure because it's a sandbox game. I am hopefull.

[@matthewmcdonald1301]

Yeah it's pretty obvious this needs to happen.

[@MultiTurbospeed]

Then it will be only available as a playstation game since Microsoft said no vr ever coming

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

@@MultiTurbospeed There's literally Valve that has pushed VR on the PC. Steam has a whole thing for VR and they even made the Index headset and Half Life Alyx. There's 100% the possibility, it's just money. They may have to build a new engine to support it all, which they should've already done.

[@TheFormalPickle]

FOR THE RECORD THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL! I just thought it would be an interesting topic.

[@joshuastubbs3065]

I am waiting for it to go larger, I want a map similar size to ATS with all DLC’s. This allows players to all have their own farms and more freedom for people to make and design their own farm with no limitations.

[@S1mL1fe]

@@joshuastubbs3065 This is the biggest difference in my opinion between FS and other simulators. ATS, TSW and MSFS use real world locations on a large scale. To do that with farming and say Google Earth idk if that’s possible. Idk the legalities behind using real life and actual individuals properties. It’s one thing using stock photos and making a map and a totally different scenario using Google Earth images like MSFS does. Comparing Giants to Microsoft is like comparing Casey’s to McDonald’s

[@polycounttaz9566]

We had quite promising Farming Simulator competitor not long ago called Cattle and Crops but it failed eventually

[@milesdavis8136]

I wish they would add crash physics colds starts and and fire

[@shadowfox4152]

I think brands don t want Giants to add that feature

[@davidty2006]

Cold starts.... Ngl i do like hearing cold starting engines.

[@tobyytlai]

FS still lacks a lot of machinery. E.g. John Deere has a large selection of combines in their CURRENT range, but all FS22 includes are the X9 and the T560. The rest of the range can be done through mods, but really more should be included in the base game so that modders can put their focus on more special or niche items

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

I saw that the only wheel loaders in FS22 are all different Class wheel loaders. While I'm a Claas fan, I certainly believe there should've been a more diverse selection and that's only one category.

[@matthewmcdonald1301]

My biggest complaints. A) The multiplayer needs to be structured like an MMORPG. So I can drive my truck to a neighbors map etc, instead of us having to share a map/start over. B)The economic engines/structure of money is awful. Property values staying the same is a joke. You should be able increase the value of your assets not just watch them all rot at a very generic rate. Loans should have different interest rates and change from year to year, taxes should go up and down, properties should go up and down in value C) The lack of maintenance work is just absurd. Managing equipment is a massive part of actual farming. Again I get these things seem a bit off but it's what actual farming looks like, these aren't niche game mechanics it's common in most 4x games, and it's common in real farming. I think the mods are useful because they fill out the flaws in the game, not because the base game is so good.

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

The multiplayer should indeed be changed. I think economic and technical game mechanics aren't what the average casual player wants to have to think about, but it'll make it more realistic. I think an official mod like the precision farming mod could do it.

[@gercobosch2870]

Also a big reason of FS its success which is hard to achieve, is the recognition of brands themselves, and the licensing FS has. That is why for example John Deere themselves weren't so successful, in the end the equipment is known and used, FS with its wide array of brands it also paves the way to interesting machines that work differently to the others, but also allows for new crops to be added due to a brand seeing potential. Kubota known for their smaller equipment only joined once FS added olives and grapes.

[@JimmiG84]

Farmer's Dynasty and Cattle & Crops both have dynamic ground. Unfortunately they lack too much in terms of other features and sheer volume of machinery to compete with FS. The lack of major updates to the graphics and physics engines from Giants is frustrating, but there isn't really any competition for their game at this time.

[@BKohut]

Also the dynamic ground has to be properly made, it's what put me off from Farmer's Dynasty, the wonkiness of it.

[@Glorious_Kim_Jong_Un]

GIANTS knows this which is why they do just enough to stay ahead of the competition which is not good enough.

[@JimmiG84]

The weird thing is Giants have about 75 employees according to Google. I assume they have to pay them the same regardless of whether they do the bare minimum or push the technology forward... If they just wanted to coast along, why not just have a skeleton crew of about 5 people?

[@BKohut]

@@JimmiG84 75 people is not that much for a software/game company. Like, you have 5-10 people at least in management, HR, PR, Marketing, probably they have some eSport division maybe, someone to allow mods for consoles, 3D artists, and then a few coders. In this industry, the number of people add up fast

[@JimmiG84]

@@BKohut True but it's not a tiny team either. They don't need a ton of animators and certainly no voice actors, writers and such. Colossal Order (who developed Cities Skylines) had about 10 employees when the game released, and they're up to 30 employees now. Hello Games, who keep pumping out massive expansions for No Man's Sky for free have 26 employees.

[@Iam_Machines]

On the Dynamic ground front: Snowrunner just announced Farming will be in their next big update. The 2 games are great in their own ways, but FS better pay attention to this in the near future.

[@sledge1swede654]

FS has a great future but only with continued support from the modding community that is the real innovators.

[@samuelfink1619]

I’ve played farming simulator since fs13, and since I was like 5. I’ve always loved it, but in recent years I haven’t had the time to play it very much. I’ve loved seeing how the game has developed and gotten better over the years! I just wish fs22 winters had more snow, so then it’d actually be worth it to plow some snow

[@KeaganExtremeGaming]

Yeah the lack of snow is a bit of a bummer

[@M60A3]

It is great to know that every dlc becomes free in the next release

[@InternetReviewerGuy]

Implementing dynamic ground would be the downfall of farming simulator. Imagine having to drive at 3 mph all the time and constantly having to winch your equipment out like in mud/snowrunner. Tedious.

[@TheFormalPickle]

Well I’d hope it wouldn’t be as crazy as it is in Spintires. More like how it is IRL

[@ethanorians]

What is great about mods in farming simulator is that they work unlike many games that allow for payed mods that constantly crash the game. If giants keeps up the lack of play testing and not listening to the community they will likely lose the players whether there is a competitor or not.

[@grimreaperalphax1247]

Biggest advantage of Farming Simulator are exclusive contracts that Giants made trough the years with most famous brands like John Deere,Claas,New Holand,Fendt,Case IH and others because getting brand licensing and all stuff that come with that is not easy. Any other new competitor on the market that might show cant come near that and that's why Giants is not to worried about the future...at least for now. From the other perspective it's a fact that FS running on a ancient and outdated engine that is made back in 2008 and only received few minor upgrades trough the years,mostly cosmetic stuff and some scripting changes,in reality engine is behind modern technology probably a decade maybe even more. Engine lacks many modern features there is no real assets streaming support and engine is not good with scaling on modern hardware and all that because is made long long ago in different time and enviroment,all this is main cause for game stuttering even on super expensive hardware. With all that said it's very clear that features like dynamic ground would never be incorporated and part of FS,why?,because with this ancient engine it's simple not possible and douable,FS 22 is most likely end of the road for Giants engine in the terms of graphics,because for any other new graphical or technical feature Giants would need a new engine and there is no way company would be into that,because they are sitting comfortable without no real competitors for they crown. FS 22 is nothing else then FS 19 just with vehicle DLC and seasons,gearbox and factory mods that are incorporated in the game code...nothing else,there is no real improvement,graphics is the same together with physics,and game was in development for 3 years i mean it's a joke and just sad,because this is not a next generation farming sim...yea it's still fun to play and enyoyable but still sad.

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

I tried FS22 with Xbox Game Pass and was surprised at the frame rate and especially the stuttering. Recent triple A games all runs great on the RTX 3080, yet FS22 has stuttering that becomes even worse on lower graphics somehow. The engine is the main weak point of Farming Simulator. They'll definitely need a new one for the next release, may it be a custom or a third party engine like Unreal Engine, Unity or Godot. There's nothing good technically, but the mods and community is what makes Farming Simulator sell. I believed mods are a good thing and should be tampered with, but just in be implemented in a new engine.

[@grimreaperalphax1247]

@@fabiandrinksmilk6205 That's for sure!

[@MrDarkD96]

They need to improve the physics it's been the same for years. Vehicles are like logs.

[@timsonxx]

The biggest success of Giants is that they have employed so many former modders who are now a key component of the game development

[@4DModding]

they employed like 3 modders - thats not alot

[@captainsman]

Payware DLC could work like it does in Flight Sim, as long as freeware DLC is still allowed. Similarly dedicated server with persistent maps can be for a fee but no need to drop standard multiplayer either. Study level machines with clickable cockpit could be a thing through payware as a lot more coding would be required I'd imagine.

[@Intershaded]

I get it it is hard to make a big community happy but yes it would be really nice if we had these things in game

[@mattcraztex9940]

3:02 This is essentially what happened to GTA 5 and Rockstar games. Where the updates are free but stuff in the updates cost a fortune and the game is such a grind that it is not fun to play anymore hence why a lot of the die hard players just left overtime.

[@blainekowalchuk761]

My biggest wishes are dynamic ground and VR support for PC. Controller mapping for console would be nice. Absolutely agree though, farm sim with snowrunner physics... I don't think I would play another game lol

[@FiascoGames]

I've played FS religiously for the past two or three years. I think it is an amazing game to be fair. I wish there were more crops available like planting carrots and produce in general. I would also love be able to terraform everywhere and I'd like to see better crop calenders. I'm the UK we can plant wheat all year round (with regular wheat and durum wheat) so it's a bit annoying that we can't do that

[@Alex-hn9qj]

Something I would love to see in farming simulator is machine service. Let's say you are harvesting and you hit a rock and the knives break! You have to replace them. Or the hydraulic pump is leaking, replace it! That's what I would like to see. And I think it could be a dlc

[@Kale050]

i played fs from the first the game came out, i belive it was still called landwirtschaft simulator, andd it was rough but awesome ride to fs22. just amezing to see how far it is with what we can do now.

[@_Steinbach_]

My biggest issue with Farming Simulator, briefly touched on in the video also, is that it isn't a simulator. I belive the game is too arcade style, and maybe not deserving the title of a simulator. I would love to see more realistic gameplay in the future, and less features that don't necessarily connect to real life farming (production chains in FS22). Still a great game, and looking forward to the next.

[@S1mL1fe]

Very good points. While it’s design is a fun game there are upgrades to make it very realistic. I have side panels and a wheel. I don’t use a keyboard or controller at all to play, I’ve changed all my key binds. I’m looking to add sim dashboard on my iPad with an attachment on top of my side panel. It has Tobii eye tracking with its bugs of course lol. Idk what else could really make it more immersive other then VR

[@cianfitzgerald5211]

You make a good point, but in my opinion the point of this game is to show people where their food comes from and how it's made. Which productions does very well

[@rbfishcs123]

I completely agree - the name of the game should be "Farming Arcade" or something like that. Very little of the game I would classify as a "simulator".

[@matthewmcdonald1301]

It should be called tractor simulator, not farming simulator in my opinion. For me I prefer something closer to an economic simulator, where you're trying to optimizing the structure of your farm. Instead you spend all your time driving around/doing trivial tasks. You basically make 1 major purchasing decision once every few hours when you buy equipment the rest of the time it's just a generic grind. You should have way more control over your income and expenses, instead everything is incredibly predictable and repetitive. Maximizing your income revolves taking on trivial tasks like feed chickens.

[@_Steinbach_]

@@matthewmcdonald1301 I completely agree. In the first few months of FS22 the economics system wasn't changed from the previous versions... which meant you were paying loans & etc. each day regardles if you have set the month to 1 or 30 days when having seasons enabled. What I would really appreciate is a complete overhaul of the financial system with more realistic loans and even contracts to deliver goods (in real life a farmer doesn't just randomly drop off grain at a bakery..?). It's nice to see others in this community who think that it's more of an arcade game than a simulator. I doubt Giants Software will listen though...

[@zaclewis5255]

For someone whos played FS for years the one thing i wish i had was the option to join my friends farm without him being online. Example minecraft realms. Being able to join without the hose being active. This is something i look for as soon as a new FS comes out and disappointed everytime.

[@mikktagu695]

There are dedicated servers works the same as realms?

[@case.98]

there was a thing called cattle and crops a couple of years ago that had dynamic ground, they even payed a couple of verry good fs modders to develop the game and therefor stop creating mods for fs, but nowadays you dont hear a lot about it anymore

[@MultiTurbospeed]

Cattle and crops died off do to no money

[@steph4050]

I personally think that SnowRunner devs could steal a large portion of GIANT customers by jumping in the farming sim market. The game engine of FS22 is deceiving. GIANT are sitting on their outdated engine since they have no competitions, selling new machines DLC instead of investing on their engine or gameplay. A young company with a fresh engine could completely obliterate them in a 2-3 years period by releasing a fresh competitie product.

[@dominicarceo9637]

Alternative title: What if EA bought Farming Simulator?

[@somewhereinagalaxyfarfaraway]

You would have a steaming pile of Pay to win. Oh you want that new harvester? Buy the weekly farm pass and compete in these multi-player based challenges. Or don't but u can't have this shiny new toy without it. No thanks. Ea sucks at open world games.

[@funniestalexv]

the integrated controls would be really cool but about the dynamic dirt, idk, i dont think i would want it as a base game feature

[@bullhauler3649]

One other thing I really wish was possible for them is to get enough money to get access to ever brand of farming equipment such as like excavators trachters trucks everything and I know you can get that stuff on pc but I’m not old enough to really have a job yet but it would be such an amazing thing to had a peterbuilt 379 with a Dodge Ram 3500 dully on a flatbed trailer all on console

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

I'd love to see them add every vehicle from every brand, but I don't it's Gaints main priority right now. Giants has already made a well working modding system for that. I think Giants should instead focus on a new engine for their next release with of course dynamic grounds, but also good graphics. The game isn't optimized well right now (at least for me on a Ryzen 5800X and RTX 3080) and it lacks essential graphics features for a vehicle sim like HDR and better LOD. Forza Horizon has great graphics and Flight Simulator has very accurate models and the whole earth as the map.

[@builderchad1]

Thanks for the video. This is one of the best game franchises out there but monetization is also a threat. A light example would be developers removing features from their game only to present them again in the next version as DLC (looking at you Firaxis). And chronic examples of hyper monetization can be found all over the game industry now but not just in the form of throw away pay-to-win games. Just look at the damage that Fallout 76 did to the entire franchise.

[@tone6036]

Imagine giants spending all that money on dynamic ground just for me to switch it off in the option menu 😂

[@Clockdistrict]

This video is 100% true, there are some massive threats to the FS franchise, but absolutely nobody has come even close to that yet.

[@BobDiot]

I don't want "integrated controls and display" I want to continue to be able to sit on my couch and chill out and farm on my Xbox. That system would kill the game for me and thousands of other console players

[@TheFormalPickle]

Just like all advanced features you can turn them off.

[@1993cobras]

I think the digging mod should be standard and hunting or fishing since many farmers hunt in the fall and fish in the summer or for fun

[@splitintwogaming]

Farmsim moving over to unreal 5 would be insane.

[@njnjco]

The thing about first person driving games is that you don't need much of a UI. The vehicle should already have one, so just make that actually work.

[@4DModding]

Dyanmic ground prob will never happen - I wouldnt bother asking for it. Even if another game came in - Giants already have almost all of the brands. Integrated controls - Also never gonna happen. Farm Sim isnt a sim - its an arcade game with some sim elements but mostly its not anywhere close to a Sim at this point

[@grzegorzs8721]

Honestly, i don't need Interactive Interior/Exterior, or Dynamic Ground. For me, all i need is more Tools, Fruits (Apples, Oranges, Bananas, ...), Crops (Carrots, Hemp, Flax, Rice, ...), Productions (Juice Factory, Butchery, ...), and more new Features (Crop Watering when its a really Hot day, ...). That's what i want.

[@mihailomarkovic6285]

Their engine needs a BIG upgrade

[@officialsked]

My personal gripe with FS is; since 2013, the franchise has always prioritised appealing to a mass market which just left the game feeling very stale very quickly with each iteration. I personally played more Cattle and Crops in the past year.

[@nemrody7828]

I don't see that. Avid player myself, have experience with real life farming and I have to say, it's the best option out there for most, if not all branches of farming. I fail to see how the development of FS 11 or 13 have a different philosophy from the current title. Also how could farming be less "stale"?

[@DirtbikesAndMore]

Too bad none of my friends care about their food so I only play single player.

[@arthurcassuli]

I like FS22 and have nothing serious to complain about. But I think that's a bit because of the way I like to play the game: download a bunch of mods and binge play alone for an entire week than abandon it for months

[@cesare8270]

FS in VR with full controller support where you can push buttons in the cab would be the coolest

[@obsidiancosmos]

Pickle: “being able to play with your friends with NO additional charge” Xbox players without live: (I still hate Xbox for locking friends behind a paywall)

[@AvantModding]

100% Agree - Spent more money on Xbox live than the console itself.

[@TGill22]

I want next FS made with unreal engine 5, and 3rd person view I should see my character, controls like ET2

[@Mrawesome7123]

i'll be honest at least for me the start of the downfall was fs19, idk why, i just didnt play it much until fs22 was nearly out, and now i only have 13 hours in fs22 because i just dont like it much, i might try it again tho

[@wyattchristie6620]

It’s all about the right mods

[@LAMBOMODS]

6:05 nice to see the BIg NASTY on the video! Good video! You cover a lot of valid points, thanks for the video

[@ndegraafndg]

Farming simulator is one of the few games that the new ones are always better than the previous version. The one thing I'm not enjoying is the paid DLC's becoming more common, but at the same time it completely makes sense for what they have released as DLC's other than the couple of tractors that used to be free are now paid DLC's.

[@iancrone2906]

If something *does* dethrone FS, we get a better game. Still very sad.

[@heuhen]

The two thing I want from farm-sim is Dynamic ground. and even bigger and more open maps, perhaps maps that works like levels, where you can travel between maps on the go. so you can have field on several maps. And oh fix the forklift, they way the forks and the boom on a forklift behave is totally wrong. the boom lift first when the forks have come all up, not before, it's the forks that is lifting the boom not the boom it self.

[@RecklessFables]

What this game really needs is combat, especially farm equipment mounted combat. Can it really be considered a farming simulator unless you're jousting from the backs of tractors?

[@KK001]

The biggest problem is that the game is just ugly with the graphics being like a decade behind other game makers. For a game that moves as slow as farming does, plowing a field at 10mph, this is garbage.

[@kristinarp526]

Farming simulator will never fail due to it having a Monopoly on the farm sim market.

[@TheFormalPickle]

The Squad just announced his Farming Game

[@travistharp4215]

There is a game that’s being mad called farm and fix and I don’t think they will take farm sim players away but there definitely gonna have the ability to work on your equipment and I know a lot of farm simers lol will want to try this game

[@calebkane144]

One problem I see with fs is the fact that the most dedicated fan base within fs is people who play in rural areas which sucks because you can’t play fs multiplayer

[@oakland86pz37]

I was so hyped with FS22 but! With waiting time for crops for 7 days it's now a sleeping simulator not farming!! I want jumo in after work play for 2h and grind some money not fooking waith 6 days or 12 in game months for a Cropp to grow. YES I KNOW YOU CAN SPEED UP THE TIME

[@Hetzer12]

Not kidding, you can see my grandfathers house in that shot of the lake :D (Tegernsee)

[@CellaDragon]

Plot twist: Some equipment that gets dropped off in American Trucker Simulator gets used in Farming Simulator

[@rodneynantz3514]

or snow runner lol

[@PatMurph16]

We need a story mode like dagger wins survival roll play

[@iDeLaYeD_o]

What I got from this is that the Devs add popular mods to the next game or recreations of the mods and instead of that you want a true simulator game that would make it a niche and most likely lose a good portion of their player base

[@masterenos]

You all have to take into account the added computing power to add in the simulation for soft ground and such. This all takes coding which takes up memory space and takes CPU power to process the functions of everything changing. You want dynamic ground lose the multiplayer, and other simulation functions.

[@KK001]

No its because theyre game engine is ancient and 10 years behind whats the standard now. Forza has dynamic ground and yet it runs way better than farming does while looking way better at the same time.

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

@@KK001 Can confirm, Forza Horizon 4 and 5 run great and look amazing, Farming Simulator 22 has a lot of stuttering and low frame rates, yet it becomes even worse or lower graphics. A Ryzen 7 5800X and RTX 3080 shouldn't have frame rates below 60 on that game when it doesn't on the newest triple A releases like Dying Light 2 and Forza Horizon 5.

[@Rossi46Moore]

I think Cattle and Crops had a chance of being a viable competitor.

[@torqenv812]

Never buying a new FS until they implement proper ground physics. The game physics in itself is non-existent in this game.

[@Fernandoenf2]

Good luck waiting I think is a lost cause , if you dare to write something about on giants forum or steam they will eat your heart out The most complacent fanbase ever seen

[@torqenv812]

@@Fernandoenf2 Believe me, I know..lol. Some people can’t take constructive criticism and does not want changes that could potentially make the game better, they just want more of the same with a new year in the title.

[@KlutchSimulations]

Hey I saw my face! Cheers pickle!!

[@lfla0179]

Focus Interactive published MudRunner on Steam. At least it has their logo on the game boot. Focus Interactive published Farm Simulator 19. That Dynamic Ground thing... well... Focus Interactive HAS BOTH ON HAND.

[@awesomethings3489]

If they use same engine like FS19 and FS22 which is very bad in graphics eventually some other developer is going to catch up with them. To be honest after playing some AAA game if i try to play FS it feels like world is not alive. No dynamic ground Vehicle driving is worst. Look how driving in ATS is. Since we are driving the machinaries always driving pleasure is must. Camera rework is must. Colors in this game is bad they need to reduce the saturation and increase the darks. Shadows are the bad. They take back the immersion. Need to add NPCs. On the other side we have most advanced npcs in games like RDR2,GTA its not easy but gaints have over 100m players we consider them as AAA studio. Small/old tractors and machines. Etc.... So much to improve.

[@johannesgustavsson8348]

Dynamic ground and interactable controlls? Cattle and Crops did that, but sadly went bankrupt 😕 It looked promising but now its dead.

[@SomeYouTubeGuy]

You say they work hard to improve the game but it was released in a barely playable state with several issues that made it seem no one had actually played through the game prior to release.

[@1fortheroad1]

Im still trying to understand this video. You title it the downfall but all you've said are what if scenarios. None of these things are happening now. And the video was narrated as they are losing customers because of stuff that isn't happening? I could see it as 'potential issues for farm sim' or 'things I hope doesn't happen in farm sim' but the correlation of "downfall" to made up scenarios makes no sense. Don't get me wrong, I agree with all the points.

[@cillianedwards3387]

The first farming Simulator I played was fs15 I've played every single one since then and love them I've already played 600 hours of fs22 so far

[@AJDeere]

Thank god there are no paid mods. This community would be hell just like the ATS modding community.

[@brandonsewnauth8487]

they need to work on the physics of vehicles like driving should be less sensitive. maybe something like forza or gta and realistic suspension so everything isn’t as stiff. i would also like to see fs have more options for pick ups because they can do work as well

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

They need a new engine for all of the nice stuff Forza or Flight Sim has. There is no way they could really fix physics with the existing engine.

[@EmazingGuitar]

I like this game because it’s relaxing and I “set it and leave it” and walk away while the game is still running so my wife isn’t complaining that I’m in the computer room all day

[@sosseturner]

5:40 wouldn't that be cattle and crops? I mean they failed but they had dynamic ground...

[@ricks4348]

Where do I find that chopper? The only one I did find broke my game

[@thammytshongwe1530]

Great info, FS must never end!

[@jetracks3994]

me and my friend really like very realistic physics and graphics so even if rt would be there with amazing graphics it would make me happy

[@danyellerife3740]

I really hope they don't do all mods well they don't remove them because I just installed like 30 of them and I would be sad if they did because I would like I have a bunch of only trucks and I wanna keep them

[@randomstuff159]

A new game engine is a must if they want to improve the game even more because there optimisation isnt there anymore

[@Jschmitz17]

I personally don’t think there’s any competition, I’ve never seen a game developer that listens to its fans this much, I mean, they have to be watching fb pages and stuff all the time, it seems like most things we ask for, gets delivered eventually by giants. In my opinion there’s not another game you can do so many different things on, logging, baling, build farms, start a roleplay map, idk others can share their opinions but this is what I think

[@timknobelsdorff5900]

I think the machinery feels too small I remember the tractors etc felt so huge now they feel tiny

[@4DModding]

WTF - they are the same size as the real machines.............................

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

Stuff like FOV can make a difference. Try lowering you third person FOV and see if it makes it feel bigger.

[@mattmckenney9031]

Console needs to be able to have all the mods that pc has

[@MultiTurbospeed]

Only way that can happen if consoles where thousands of times as powerful as PC.

[@Ranger8744]

Imagine if Rockstar made a farm Sim game🙋!!! Now that would be competition😂!

[@mistr1439]

I just want more old tractors :(

[@PhantomDogman]

For trucks simulators, Truck World Australia is upcoming competior to ats/ets2 (SCS truck simulator games). Truck World Australia devs have showed you can go outside of trucks to check load if it secured or to secure load. Almost everything of truck will be controlled from truck or outside of truck instead of menu or just button/keyboard press irl. However for it also driving needs to be good. If driving isn't good then those features won't help it. Also it's Truck World Australia then you will might able to drive road train.

[@Underpantswher]

And the only reason minecraft hasnt fallen is because players get to have fun and talk to each other without the fear of getting banned for saying something that someone slightly disagrees with. Oh wait...

[@bikeman1431]

tbh, you should rename to "how farming simulator couldve failed" it looks less like clickbait

[@TheFarmSimGuy]

Great vid, some good points of discussion! Nicely done man 😊