The Downfall of Patrick Starr...

[@stonecake313]

He overestimated how popular he still is. He doesn’t have a fan base of young people who are willing to blindly and naively defend him. His core fanbase is smaller than it once was and the audience is probably older and less likely to accept the behaviour. Plus because of the “non-problematic” persona he tried to keep, he probably attracted a following of people who don’t have tolerance for this kind of thing

[@atb1480]

Perfectly said!

[@Lutifah]

Hit the nail on the head!

[@thankyouhashem72]

Not even a Patrick fan but you’re really dragging it, it’s really not that deep. Stop judging people. Judgment creates turbulence in the mind. Everybody has the right to go out and do whatever they want with or without a mask.

[@sadar171]

@@thankyouhashem72 You don’t have the right to put other people at risk. It’s why you don’t have the right to practice human sacrifice in the name of religion-the right to life outweighs other rights. Rights are not done absolute thing where you get to whatever you want-there are limitations to protect the rights of others.

[@laurenspencer2783]

@@thankyouhashem72 almost every single one of my family members have issues that if we got covid our symptoms would be worse and we have a higher chance of dying. are you seriously saying that us going to grocery store or our jobs because we need MONEY is just “a risk we are going to have to take” is acceptable ? you really need your parties that much ? you really think people don’t have to wear masks if they don’t want to ? you are the problem. grow up,, wearing a fucking mask,, and only go out for necessities.

[@itsjaymone]

His persona has been a Black woman caricature and no one wants to talk about it.

[@grantmegan91]

Alot of gay men do this. I started realizing about the misogyny/misogynoir that seems to be looked over in that community. And as a woman in the lgtbq community, it needs to be called out.

[@lifewithklc]

THIIIIIIS!!!!!!!!

[@PinkRedBrisk]

👀👀👀👀

[@Tatiana-gf6be]

Oooof

[@lunalipsb]

OOP!

[@elizabethrobinson6661]

I can’t imagine being Nikita/Tana/Any Tik Tok star etc and looking in the mirror and being happy or proud of who I am. Shame all of that money can’t buy them a bit of morality and integrity huh

[@emmyjulianne6850]

I don’t think they have that store on the west coast

[@Harleigh_19]

The lack of shame or guilt is pretty mind boggling.

[@leledeed90]

Same. I don’t get it either. I would be so embarrassed. I wouldn’t even care if I was making money. It’s so shameful

[@annabanana6965]

👏👏👏

[@sammylee5474]

@@emmyjulianne6850 💀🤣

[@davidxlee]

Patrick Star is the Regina George’s Mom of the beauty community..

[@MascarasAndMixers]

Haven't laughed this hard at a comment in ages. Omg thank you!

[@tamsinsylvie4331]

this is too accurate

[@kaylachelsey]

😂😂

[@wednesdayaddams7066]

😂😂😂😂😭👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💯

[@Lipstickforever84]

Owwwwwwwwww.....Chile

[@jazzy4982]

Patrick star looks like he’s trying to fit in with the “cool kids” at school but it’s just not working 😭

[@quintecence]

He's like Regina's mum from mean girls 😂

[@annoyance96]

@@quintecence "i'm not like a regular mom, im a cool mom"

[@sirenityaddams]

“I'm not like a *regular* mom, I'm a *cool* mom.”

[@quintecence]

@@sirenityaddams @ambee he's literally trying to do *WEML* but doing the L backward 😂

[@JessRodr]

This! 🙌😂

[@MegamixCentral]

I would personally like to thank the influencers who are happy sitting on the sidelines and not getting noticed but also not being problematic or getting involved in drama. They're probably choosing to take a hit financially to remain Covid safe. I appreciate people like that. Sidenote: my stomach turned when I saw that video of Patrick and Tana. Put that thing back where it came from, or so help me.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Look I wouldn’t have kissed Tana even if I had every vaccination known to man. Eugh.

[@tabbiragan915]

Monsters inc reference?

[@MegamixCentral]

@@tabbiragan915 YES

[@MicaylaRae22]

Liked for the last paragraph because monsters inc. 😁😂👌🏻

[@frogleaf9476]

Bom bom bom! So help me. So help me!

[@graces.4523]

His brand is flopping and that's why he's acting up so much. Who actually uses one size??? His brand just came at the absolute worst time, in the era of natural barely there makeup he comes out with stuff we used back in 2016

[@kevinwilson124]

Not many at all! I feel for the man, but this behavior of his is not going to make things better for him!

[@XxPiRoXxX]

No one hence why Sephora giving our free samples

[@jazzy4982]

I’ve literally only seen one person talk about it-

[@Beeoog]

Like didn’t he come out with makeup wipes? It’s 2021 we use cleansing balms now

[@sirenityaddams]

Every time someone says One Size I keep thinking it’s an all inclusive clothing brand.

[@Jess-ny3zm]

I think a lot of the issue here is the timing. Jeffree and Nikita already had that “bad girl” rep prior to the pandemic so no one was surprised when they continued being their, for lack of a better word, shitty selves. However, Patrick is trying to pull a 180 in a time where people are really paying attention to how influencers are handling this situation and it’s just not a cute look for him at all. I also think a lot of his behaviour is coming from desperation and he’s trying to find solitude in anyone who’ll support him which unfortunately are these problematic people. He’s always seemed fake, the failure and desperation has just brought it out at the worst possible time.

[@atlanticocean8041]

Funny how as soon as he created his brand he needs controversy to sell it...

[@Mikayla_Y_1998]

Lol yea because it was boring and just a weird launch all together! In a time where the waste we are making is terrible why would you come out with MAKEUP WIPES AND some makeup remover spray shit. And the name was weird to me too like one size ? I get it but it just doesn’t make sense for the products her was putting out.

[@e-linamarie]

literally from day one

[@mirilovesyou2518]

That's because the products he has launched ren't anything we haven't seen before, makeup wipes are useless (and this is said by many professional makeup artists and skin experts) the make up remover isn't anything special and overpriced, the liner and the palette are boring, kinda generic, and we can't forget that his brand is still in that full glam face with a lot of foundation, concealer and powder when the trend right now are natural faces. He's trying hard to push his brand for those reasons.

[@nomanejane5766]

I keep getting YT Ads for his brand!!!

[@tj9813]

@@Mikayla_Y_1998 that only works when the fans of the brand love drama. For example this does work for jeffree star. But you can't compare PS to JS. They aren't in the same universe (in terms of fans of the brand, JS is trash too!)

[@pezjunkie13]

I feel like Manny is a good example of having actually learned a lesson. He has a successful indie brand, doesn’t go to super spreader events, is very politically active, supportive and nice to fans. Just my opinion 🤷‍♀️

[@Ohmygh0st]

YES!

[@dreambean.]

I agree. I was never a fan of his personality,or his content tbh,or of anyone else in that "clique" from that period. I think after that big clusterfuck of drama he did actually take a step back and reevaluate the choices he was making,and where he was headed. I have noticed a definite change in his maturity since then,and it's been really lovely to see. He seems much more chill & level-headed imo.

[@alexisaguirre5526]

yes, what's make me realize that is that he stop doing the affectation voice that he used to speak with. he definitely change, but i think that he was an special case in those periods, not like nikkita which was garbage, not like Laura who was anoying or Gabriel who, who was he? i never knew where they came up, anyways he got something that make him bad i can't tell what but it was there, besides the social climbing and accepting money to give bad reviews

[@joannafreedom7914]

He just learned how to play the game better.

[@alexisaguirre5526]

@@joannafreedom7914 more like he got the scare, he is coming back, also wasn't entertaining in this unproblematic era

[@MultiEquations]

Also, I miss the Patrick Starr when he used to give deserving women makeovers. Like, he would give women a full glam makeover, surprise them with a whole new wardrobe and hand out loads of gift cards.

[@dramaticallyb]

Yes!! I was so happy when he had his collab with mac and started his own line. Now he is just disapointing to watch, mostly because he does see the angry fans but he deletes videos and does not adress anything

[@morriganrose7303]

he was always my favorite!! he was so kind and genuine and was all about family and friendship. now hes clearly very selfish and just like the others : (

[@lordtette]

Maybe if he did something similar. I know with covid it's harder but he could've been creative to promote his make-up line

[@jaclynlevy5644]

I feel like this is the direction he should go. He should do the feel good "extreme makeover" thing. People love that s*** and he's good at it.

[@AngryCandy89]

Yes! Even if with this pandemic is harder to give a makeover, he could do something different, like help a person in need pay their medical bills or something.

[@capitolbreeze]

I feel like the “old guard” of MUA influencers who he was friends with and were also super popular at the height of his career like Desi, Katy, Jackie etc have all settled down into that domestic life and also branched out into creating their own brands outside of makeup and probably outgrown him if that makes sense? And he needed to find people to stay relevant, but this crew is NOT it. It makes him look super juvenile and try hard. Yikes!

[@bethany6205]

He can use his unecofriendly makeup wipes to wipe his tears for ruining his own career.

[@shaylalopez9914]

LMAO!

[@saramichelle9149]

Yassss!

[@everlymartinez5004]

😂😂

[@bethany6205]

@@shaylalopez9914 I can't stand him.

[@elsiemae5182]

Plus he’s gonna need to spend a whole lot of money on them cause there’s barely any wipes in that pack!

[@StarWarsThrowbacks]

You would think that after Laura lost her mom, these “influencers” would think twice about their selfish actions since it can mean life or de*th for their loved ones but no. They still don’t give a damn. Ridiculous.

[@stevengrantods3803]

Wait! You mean laura lee’s mom died of covid?

[@StarWarsThrowbacks]

@@stevengrantods3803 omg how come I never got a notification for this? I only got a notification that someone liked my comment but yes sadly her mom passed due to covid

[@lavendersoda4227]

@@StarWarsThrowbacks yea but you’re right tho. they’re just really selfish

[@ayellowpapercrown6750]

Never knew that. That’s actually tragic. I’ve never watched Laura, but I can’t imagine how she feels watching her ex-crowd of friends doing this sort of stuff.

[@deidrebetts2936]

To people asking, yes, unfortunately Laura lost her mom to covid. She did an Instagram post discussing it. It seemed like her and her mom had a good relationship, too, so it's really heartbreaking that she died, especially from covid

[@rachita2869]

I’m 22 and I turned 21 right before the pandemic while my friends turns 21 during the pandemic. If we can manage to not meet up and party everyone else should too. It’s basic human decency

[@quintecence]

I mean, the internet exists.. there's no real need to go outside, pandemic or not 😂 Also, 25th birthday in lockdown.. that happened and was fun 🙃

[@floralthief]

just celebrated my 23rd birthday in quarantine; i watched some movies on netflix with my friends by sharing my screen via discord and doing voice chat. and it's how we do d&d now. it's totally doable, lol

[@hannah4627-g3d]

Feel the same. Me and all my friends have turned 30 in the pandemic, had huge plans which have all been cancelled/postponed but we’re still living life at home in different ways 💅🏻

[@rachita2869]

Completely agree w y’all I get so frustrated w influencers lmaooo

[@kinginci357]

lol, I turned 16 a month after quarantine started.

[@katherine8157]

I feel like if you label yourself as THE “unproblematic” influencer like Patrick did, you’re asking for a situation like this

[@onebraincellleft2563]

I feel like Bretman and Brad mondo are the only unproblematic ones :O

[@dajadortch2611]

@@onebraincellleft2563 didn’t brad get in a scandal for his hair products

[@fadalerabrasool3563]

@@dajadortch2611 Well if brad took accountability and recitify it than props to him. but in my eyes a problematic influencer means using your platform in an irresponsible way, and being a clout chaser in wanting attention to your name by doing several dangerous and idiotic things

[@smallandstressed2364]

The Titanic was the “unsinkable” ship and we know how that turned out.

[@LaurenLaass]

A mean girl in my sorority swore she was really nice. Guess who turned out to not be nice.

[@GabzMaree]

imagine ruining your career for Nikita 💀

[@brendac7203]

he gotta sell that overpriced makeup somehow

[@shaorz]

And Nikita doesnt give a fuck about him. Sad.

[@misscatalina711]

That Nikita person is a horrible person and sells crappier makeup.

[@xandermin]

I also think Patrick's audience is generally older than Tana & Nikita's. It's easy to get away with bs when your audience is mostly teenage stans, but not so much when your audience consists of exhausted millennials.

[@ellehogg8729]

when you said the small makeup community was booming, i felt that so deeply. i haven’t watched a “true beauty guru” in a while but when you, julia, or nisa posts i stop what i’m doing to watch. instead of wanting to idolize people i just want the sleep over vibes you guys offer

[@amberm819]

I agree!!!

[@jessie2807]

I also agree!

[@what_a_snoot]

I mainly watch Hannah, Alexandra Aneal and Robert welsh now! ☺️

[@kawaiikoibito3268]

I still think there's that idolization ppl in different genres of youtube maybe not beauty guru but definitely others

[@marisp2588]

This comes the same day Michelle Phan posted an old school style makeup tutorial and I am thriving!

[@themousoleum]

honestly, Bailey Sarian comes to mind as a beauty influencer who isn't problematic and stays out of the drama. She blew up for combining her love of true crime (via story telling) with doing her makeup. I think influencers could potentially blow up if they were willing to do something fun and interesting with it, rather than always going for the easy out of causing drama.

[@macy_mariee]

Yeah I completely agree and I love Bailey and her videos I think with most of these problematic influences they have no creativity or personality besides stealing black culture and constantly using AAVE so the only way for them to stay relevant is for them to start drama and scandals because other than that they’re all boring and have nothing to bring to the table

[@lizbethvizcarra761]

Absolutely right! The thing is that most of them don't want to do the work and just do what's easier.

[@whatthehellisthis]

i guess it’s time for the patrick starr fans to GET👏 BETTER👏 IDOLS👏 sorry i wanted an excuse to do that

[@themousoleum]

@@whatthehellisthis he's been acting really............ _suspish_

[@macy_mariee]

@@themousoleum And hasn't been making good choices

[@abbyroseharrison93]

Idk, maybe it’s cruel but it all feels very “try hard” to me, like when you were in school and you did dumb stuff and were horrible, or maybe embarrassed yourself to fit in with the popular crowd. Like he’s acting like an idiot to fit in with people who get attention whether it’s good or not

[@ashtonv1730]

Not cruel at all, pretty spot on.

[@cv7958]

That’s what she said in the video.

[@katherine8157]

Ugh if he does a barefaced apology video I’m going to lose my $hit

[@eurekamreum5458]

don't forget the hoodie!

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

A wig with a shitty messy bun

[@jessicataylor7854]

I feel like this has a lot to do w the type of ppl the influencer attracts in the first place. Jeffrey Star is a good example of someone that attracted ppl from the beginning by being controversial. Therefore his core fan base is going to support controversial actions. Patrick Starr’s core fan base on the other hand supported him from when he was portraying himself in a better light. Idk if that makes sense but maybe? 😅😂

[@mattmc90]

Actually interesting! And probably accurate on some level 👍

[@morriganrose7303]

yeah! he used to be my absolute favorite because he was so kind and genuine. now that he's hanging out with these people and acting selfish like them im just disappointed. im sure a lot of his fans are

[@user-tt1ix7cy7y]

Yeah totally 🙏🏼

[@Jenninka]

I can agree with this. I’ve known of Jeffree since at least 2005 and he’s always been abrasive whereas Patrick seemed better at first

[@farteaterxD]

Lol. Maybe that’s why I like Shane and Jeffree

[@sa-mi1un]

Hey Hannah, i'm at 2 mins in but this is about your social justice corner. Can you please discuss the violence against Asian people in the US/Canada. There's always been anti-Asian sentiments and Covid has heightened the racism. Elderly people (and young people) and getting attacked and assaulted for no reason and it's so sad and disgusting to see. Many Asian& Asian American celebs are sharing information but it isn't catching wind with the media. It would be great to have a spot on your platform to share this information and spread awareness so people know and actively condemn the violence. Through BLM we made it clear that it isnt enough to not be racist, we must be anti-racist and activated - we need to help our fellow Asian community and spread the word because this violence needs to end.

[@robinsteelerwvu]

I hope Hannah sees this and talks about it. Like you said, this is not being covered by traditional media enough. I went searching for news on this after I saw comments like yours on different KZbin channels. I did see that just today some more mainstream media are starting to talk about this so hopefully this continues.

[@MNProductionx]

Yes this pls!

[@Hello0x0]

At first I thought you were talking about the muslim in the camps at China, but yeah I'm really disappointed I have seen grown adults push over people who even look Chinese over, thrown bricks at and elderly women just shows what a demented monster you are

[@LaMorenitaDivina]

This is an excellent suggestion.

[@eatdrinkstagger]

I totally mentioned some of this in my reply further up regarding misogynoir, am so glad I'm not paranoid in thinking it's definitely to do with race too.

[@abb3rz07]

I was just thinking this and honestly I feel like his products immediately being in Sephora worked against him in this instance because it wasn't bringing anything new to the table.

And they aren’t even that good I hate his spray cause it’s warm

[@anerdnamedalex8527]

@ ..... warm????

[@anerdnamedalex8527]

@ omg 🤮🤮🤮 that sounds awful

[@abb3rz07]

@ that's concerning

[@anac5656]

So true!!

[@LydiaReneeDarling]

I forget the term/definition of it, but there’s this theory that when someone who has a pattern of “bad” behavior everything outrageous they do seems less shocking, whereas if someone exhibits more “good” behavior over time people notice their slip ups more. I think about that a lot when it comes to influencers and who gets held accountable and who doesn’t!

[@jessie2807]

Same applies for Adelaine Morin!!

[@lordtette]

@@jessie2807 did something happen?

[@Lilblue515]

- Conditioning. We have been conditioned to behaviors and thus expect and are not surprised by said behavior.

[@LydiaReneeDarling]

@@Lilblue515 could be what I was thinking of, I can’t find the original article I began going down the rabbit hole with in my search history for the life of me! Feels like it’s on the tip of my tongue 😭 Conditioning is certainly applicable and I agree with you there.

[@AutsiticAlien007]

Also the behaviour that we dont want tp see we notice more. I have been trained as a teachers aide and one thing I was taught was to call out the good behaviour and ignore the bad. Thats what I have been doing more and more with content creators. I used to like PS but I never really vibed with him.

[@atlanticocean8041]

This reminds me of when people in middle school tried to hang out with the "popular" kids, just so cringy.

[@NickDiRamioTV]

oooh very interesting points! ❤️

[@piercetheskies]

imagine risking a covid infection to sell some overpriced makeup wipes

[@sirieriksson9010]

I’ve implemented a “if you are travelling/partying during this pandemic I’m unfollowing you b*tch” policy 💁🏼‍♀️ idgaf about who they are, BYE. I think you are spot on with the stan following, he doesn’t have one and I don’t think this is the way to get one. He honestly just have bad ideas for his brand and recent actions and he needs to do better on both fronts. Again the hair looks recently are just great on you Hannah ❤️ great video 🌸🌸

[@minajones8341]

The one that pissed me off the most was Dr. Mike. He knows better and traveled to party anyway.

[@sirieriksson9010]

@@minajones8341 oh I agree! Also the apology on his second channel was a disaster. The hypocrisy with that one is infuriating

[@ayannabranchcomb7535]

@@minajones8341 i haven’t watched a video of his since. Literally can’t stomach it

[@chocolatebunny3221]

Well life doesn’t stop just because something is going on in the world. If you wanna do put your life on hold? Do you boo but that’s not everyone else’s thought process. I think if I had the money and a car, I would’ve traveled all over the United States while lock down was happening. Less traffic and you wouldn’t have to worry about spending too much money because most stores were closed. Especially for people who are doing the van life thing. But that’s just me.

[@sirieriksson9010]

@@chocolatebunny3221 van life and traveling internationally when cases were so abhorrent in the us compared to other places and putting locals at risk are two different things.

[@diva1213ful]

Can’t wait for the all black owned business haul 🥰

[@smokey_glow]

I think it’ll be live on Friday!

[@ArchaicDialogue]

Part II 🥰🥰🥰

[@diva1213ful]

@@smokey_glow looking forward to it 😘

[@MsCutielover]

Ah sick I’m down for this

[@annabanana6965]

Yesss!! ❤️❤️❤️

[@kaleezinn5214]

I don't even think "one size" sounds inclusive? It makes me think of like, brandy melville

[@brand0nbu1]

I would say “drag him!” But he isnt wear a mask to drag him by.

[@scheibez]

WELL...

[@mattmc90]

You could always drag him by the wrist... since that's where his mask is. 😆

[@XxPiRoXxX]

OOOOOF

[@kendrickdinger]

OOF💀

[@mintvelvet3351]

Drag him by his stupid hair wrap.

[@klowen29]

Patrick Stars 2021 motto: “If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em.”

[@brand0nbu1]

I’m calling it now, one size x Nikita Dragun ……

[@DreaM82mp]

Purple makeup wipes in a big ol egg

[@Butterflier00]

@@DreaM82mp and the wipes are orange for some reason....

[@Xena20]

I’ve discovered that if you put yourself out there as problematic or “a villain”, when you do problematic things, it’s almost like a personality trait and people don’t really have an uproar about it cos that’s what they do. Whereas someone who isn’t problematic and who seem genuine and nice, when they do something problematic, they are dragged and held accountable as it’s out of character for them. They get punished way more than the “villains” as it is not expected from them

[@polaris7346]

This is exactly it! When people already have low expectations of you, they're not going to be surprised when you screw up or act out.

[@SandyPhoenixx]

His statement is probably going to be “I was joking” 🙄

[@ninalynn1686]

Bailey Sarian channel is growing at a rapid pace. When I started subscribing to her a week ago she was at 3.7 million and now she’s at 3.96 million. And she’s is NEVER involved in an makeup drama. She doesn’t insult others or bash other brands to lift herself up. She’s super personable and funny. She put out her videos and minds her business. Her channel has doubled in growth since she started her Murder Mystery and Makeup series. She’s probably my favorite makeup persons on KZbin besides Trixie Matell. You don’t need the drama to get likes. Sometimes people just want to see a bomb ass beat without hearing out someone helping to get so and so canceled.

[@Al_Afrah]

Now she has 4.6 million subscribers. She deserves it.

[@3D-Time]

I hope Bailey and Christina Randall do a collab💙💙

[@shaorz]

@@Al_Afrah Meanwhile, Patrick still at 4 million...for how many years? Lol

[@jentherealfluencer]

Hannah has another sponsorship! Yes girl!!

[@smokey_glow]

🥰

[@paigeelizabeth3269]

I feel like the reason James Charles grew so much at the beginning of his career was partly because he was doing a lot of things that had never been done before and that's what made him popular in the beauty space, but then the drama and everything else led to him being more well known to the general public if that makes sense.

[@allisonhowlett8342]

i literally gasped when i saw the notification my dad asked what was wrong LMAOOO

[@biggnome4653]

I’m confused how Patrick even got a brand in Sephora. Like no offense but he barley has a fan base and has never been a huge profitable name. It’s taking a spot up from another brand that deserves it more.

[@internetlawyer55]

I was thinking that too and my only thought is that a major investor in his brand is one of the larger makeup conglomerates but who knows

[@Mostlymatte]

Never got a good vibe from him, honestly.

[@MascarasAndMixers]

Same

[@adriennecamila-49]

Same here

[@niamhneeve5900]

Omg yes. I remember seeing the eye roll video back in the day and I thought "that's who he really is" .

[@helenmarie362]

Same. I truly think this is the real him and he's just not hiding it as well as he used to 🤷‍♀️

[@emma-iw3kz]

he reminds me of the high school english teacher desperately trying to be hip with the cool kids cuz they were unpopular growing up

[@cintiavargas6617]

More like the p.e teacher who loves the popular kids 😭

[@janellehoskins1290]

For me I lost my dad to Covid so it was a huge turn off. And honestly the makeup market is so huge so it’s easy to not buy from Nikkita and Patrick Starr. If I got rid of all my influencer makeup I would still have a huge collection. I wish people wouldn’t do stunts to sell their brand, they don’t realize how hurtful it is to people. It’s like you said it seems like to drum up attention which is so much worse.

[@McCammalot]

I'm sorry for your loss.

[@janellehoskins1290]

@@McCammalot Thank you, I appreciate that

[@loverboymadita7811]

I also lost my dad to covid, so I really feel you on this

[@dianekokko6254]

I'm sorry for your loss Hun. 💝

[@EmiltPaige58]

I know it's late but I am so sorry for your loss. My heart really goes out to you. 💓

[@britnicox3929]

IMO the problematic influencer thing only works if you commit to it from the beginning. It’s so much better optically to have a ‘redemption arc’ than be ‘corrupted’ in a way

[@caitlynguy193]

I was hoping you would comment on this, his antics have been a bit much lately.

[@becaboo-dv8dp]

Two thoughts: Firstly, to speak to why being “messy” hasn’t worked for Patrick...I can’t help but notice that all of the people you listed are thin, conventionally attractive people (if exclude Nikita then they’re all white too). Looking at Patrick, a plus size POC, it doesn’t surprise me that the reception isn’t as warm. (Let me be clear though in saying that I don’t think ANY of what Patrick did is okay.) Secondly, I think to really succeed in the beauty space rn, you have to not only be personable, but also bring something new to the space. Take Robert Welsh for example. He blew the heck up in the past year largely because he brought years of professional experience. He really touts makeup theory and makeup for the average person, something we don’t see much anymore. Similarly innovative is Bailey Saiaran’s Murder Makeup Monday (which Robert has also emulated to huge success). I think that combo is really sets people up for success rn.

[@wlk3607]

totally agree, I was going to comment the same thing, especially the first point! not many people have mentioned that but I bet it’s a big factor

[@bwicket]

Absolutely. Kennie JD and Jamie French doing their makeup and movie videos is the other thing I love.

[@becaboo-dv8dp]

@@bwicket Yeeeesss a fellow intellectual!!! :D

[@tristaishmael3464]

Ohh that is such a good point! When you think of all the problematic people who are seemingly untouched, it's all white... And people like Tana who are conventionally attractive. Even if it's subconscious, race definitely plays a part

[@jennifertrandafir]

He is ruining Patrick Star for all of us.

[@whatthehellisthis]

i mean, the later seasons of spongebob were already ruining him so this is just the cherry on top

[@justjoannak]

@@whatthehellisthis You're right tbh

[@jennifertrandafir]

@@whatthehellisthis The first seasons will always be the best, hands down!!!

[@aubrey8673]

It’s sad when you see people like Tana, Jefree and Nikita who thrive off of drama but without it and their problematic lifestyles, are all pretty boring individuals

[@alicecollins9918]

They kinda remind me of the kids at school who would act out and disrupt the class for attention. Was fun when you start secondary school, but when you’re studying for your GCSEs and are about to go to college it’s just annoying as hell. Everyone just either ignored them or called them out, to little change. But outside from disruption... they didn’t have anything going on, no hobbies or anything. They just thrived off the attention. Sad to see that some people never grew outta that.

[@AJ-xt9wj]

Time to sit down and fold clothes with Smokey Glow

[@emmyjulianne6850]

The way you say “BUUHYEE” at the end of the video is exactly the way my mom ends our phones calls and I live for it

[@peapotfairy]

It's been over a month and I still cant get used to the intro lol

[@UnicornBeeches]

Same 😄. There's too much change happening in the world

[@mirandad.g3964]

I like it tho

[@oritsela]

Meeeeee tooooooo! I miss the old one 😔

[@21975]

One of the only unproblematic and interesting influencers I can think of is Bretman Rock. I think a major factor is that Bretman is just all-around entertaining regardless of what he does. He knows how to make genuine content without the need for collabs and drama. Patrick should’ve taken a page from his book instead.

[@Laila-md1xs]

Can you do a video talking about how the internet as a whole has kind of changed its mindset over the years? Like in bye sister, gabbie/ricegum drama, and tana/idubbz (defending a man who regularly says the n word and focusing on Tana lying)? I would love to hear your take on it

[@yarashaheen-abuelreish8995]

I'm genuinely shook that we focused on the lying part of the story ONLY instead of the overall problematic behavior on both sides. All Tana did in that video is exaggerate and lie, but idubbz normalized the n word for so many peoples. I'd also love to be reminded of the reactions to Gabbie and ricegum because now I can only see how one would side with Gabbie but it would be interesting to see why people stood against her besides her being annoying.

[@Laila-md1xs]

@@yarashaheen-abuelreish8995 Exactly. Looking back at those situations years later it's crazy to believe how flawed the mindset of such a huge audience was. During the gabbie/ricegum incident people were so focused on how like tana, gabbie exaggerated when explaining what happened. As if a physical altercation and destroying property didn't put ricegum in the wrong?? And how did ricegum even get famous from making fun of literal children and no one said anything?

[@l.l274]

I think a big part of it is auidence though. Both Ricegum and Idubbbz auidence were (mostly) young white boys who watched/liked edgier content, sprinkled in with a lil bit of self righteous attitude. This is partly because both of them made content on calling people out: Idubbz being his content cop series whilst ricegum made "these kidz must be stopped" which is still a form of commentary/call out. So to their auidences, being seen as a hypercite or a liar in a situation is far worse than anything else a person could have done (such as destruction of property and saying a slur) because both their auidences care more about image and a facade of moral superiority than actural bad behaviour.

[@Laila-md1xs]

​@@l.l274 Thats a very interesting point and I definitely agree with you. Those guys built armies of brainwashed fans that we don't even see now with newer creators. In shane's big scandal, even after going along with his blatant racism and just about everything-ism for years, a lot of his die-hard fans finally left. I wonder if the same thing would've happened if we had more objective commentary channels in the time of these other scandals?

[@l.l274]

@@Laila-md1xs I think part of the issue (specifically with idubbbz) is that he IS a commentary channel. Not only that but he's known as like "the Godfather" of commentary along with Leafy because he has one of the most popular commentary series. And because his fans are so vicious (once again, similar to Leafy) anyone who disagreed with him just get's harrassed and called a "whiny SJW Snowflake". The only thing that has put a dent in Ian's career is the fact his girlfriend got an Only Fan's. Cause you know, his girlfriend getting an Only fan's is far worse to his auidence than his common use of slurs. This is partly because Ian in the past mocked sex workers so he than attracted an auidence that also mocks sex workers as well.

[@littlereddstar5264]

When the beauty community (and you yourself) puts you on a pedestal and you fall off it, they make sure you fall big . It's like "We made you and we can unmake you".

[@theeccentric7263]

Big risks, big rewards.

[@taurusandlibra2638]

“Ah shit, here we go again”

[@me_shell]

Patrick missed his prime time to launch a brand. He’s about 3-4 years too late. I stopped following him years ago when videos came out showing how he acted when the camera was turned off! 🤬

[@elsiemae5182]

I feel like a factor in how the general internet is reacting to Patrick’s recent behavior is the fact that he is a POC (is he black u literally have no idea it’s very confusing??) and he is plus size. All of the influencers who thrive off of being problematic are white or white passing and while I think Patrick is pathetic and attention seeking it does have a factor in how he is being though about right now. EDIT: Also I think that the whole tactic of doing something controversial before a launch to drum up hype only works if you are consistent with your image. Like you said Hannah, Patrick Star has been know man as the “unproblematic” beauty guru for so long that these clips came out of nowhere but for others it didn’t.

[@stonecake313]

I think it’s cos he’s been “old news” in the beauty community for a long while now. The people who watched him at his peak have grown up and aren’t as interested in blindly loving him anymore. Younger people aren’t interested in Patrick so he doesn’t really have a base that cares to go hard for him. I think he over estimated his popularity, even his brand isn’t selling well

[@II-bn8gc]

I agree the criticism is deserved but it’s only really there bc he isn’t white and thin. It should be there for everyone

[@fedhaamour]

He’s black fishing

[@alaynarodriguez162]

I was hoping someone would comment this! I totally agree. I think if he wasn't plus sized or a poc, things would be different!

[@rizzqlynn]

i feel like the answer is pretty obvious, but why aren’t any of these “influencers” being like fined or jailed for violating Covid rules????

[@kyelarinroxbury2548]

I'm sure this is the obvious answer you already know, but their money is why, sadly. 🙄😔

[@jessie2807]

D Angello said it best I’m pretty sure he made a comment that influencers and the rich people are buying their way through the pandemic. I feel like at this point has nothing to do with being caught or fined as long as you have money in this case these influencers win. Check out D’Angelo‘s Influencer19 He was really informative and spoke to a lot of this!! I wish influencers and the Walti were actually held accountable too!

[@mojojojo3212]

Someone said that if the penalty for a law is a fine, then the law was meant to punish the poor

[@notatrick88]

it rhymes with white privilege

[@Hina-fo1tk]

@@editwithstyle959 I think it’s more of a classism issue during the pandemic because there are a lot of poc influencers who are also not following social distance rules but are still okay. It’s always rich ppl who get away with it right now.

[@GreenCatz88]

you’re definitely onto something with your theories about what makes someone stannable and therefore forgiveable- incorporating drama into your personality or at least having a personality seems like it would help an influencer weather scandals

[@Estefaneah]

I feel like he wants that tik tok audience since that’s where the money is at these days and defending Nikita seems profitable

[@sabrina.natalie]

Hmmm... that’s actually a very good observation. I didn’t think about it like that until you mentioned it! 🕵🏽‍♀️👀🔍

[@CatBarefield]

I love how everyone and their mother is like ✨canadian netflix✨ and i just want to scream WE CANT EVEN HAVE HULU 😭

[@dezdovalina]

I think another reason for Patrick's inability to make money off of poor behavior just shows more racism in the beauty community. White influencers, like Tana or jeffree, were able to get away with capitalizing on drama, but partick is a person of color, therefore he isn't getting the same blind acceptance and forgiveness. Don't get me wrong, I don't support these actions, but I DO think it's important to acknowledge. Update: Frank's reply has changed my opinion. Nikita is a person of color who has built a career in controversy. A bigger sign of racism in the beauty community is the lack of support. It's harder for black creators to grow and excel, despite making good content.

[@minajones8341]

I was thinking that too

[@franks8462]

not necessarily. nikita somehow manages to stay relevant despite constantly lying, appropriating black culture, and profiting off black outrage. She's been going at it for years now and she is still profitable (just like Tana and Jaffar). nevertheless, racism is still a problem in the beauty community. i just don't think there are enough bipoc beauty influencers to support your claim. (Edit) If anything, racism in the beauty community is reflected more in the lack of recognizable bipoc beauty influencers.

[@dezdovalina]

@@franks8462 yea you make a good point, I forgot all about Nikita😂. I definitely agree with black influencers not getting enough support. Thanks for your insight :)

[@polaris7346]

I don't think it's about race in this specific situation. Jeffree, Tana, Trisha, Nikita, they've all cemented their reputations in being problematic and controversial No one gets surprised when they do something bad because we already have low expectations for them. But for Patrick who brands himself as someone "unproblematic" and never got into scandals before, the damage to his reputation is going to be harsher because people trusted him.

[@marrrst]

Yessss I was always so hesitant to follow beauty gurus because you just get weird vibes from some of them, yknow? People who have to tell you they're a good person all the time... usually aren't very good people lol

[@ottootto6285]

this is why i think laura lee and manny mua are slowly (very slowly mind you) comming back because they are starting to dive into the makeup part of it instead of the influencer part of it

[@sapphicnecromancer]

I didn't learn of who this person was until Hannah talked about him... I just thought the SpongeBob character was messed up idk

[@anaghasastry5183]

omg hahahahaah xD

[@BearyBecca99]

its amazing to me that he told all his supporters essentially to "F off" like yeah tell all the people that got you where you are and your money to "F off" like who would think thats a good idea at least the other people like tana, Jeffree, Nikitta, etc at least thats their brand telling people to "F off" but not his.

[@Deanna417]

Would love an Evolution of Safyia Nygaard

[@LyndaOkoli]

Yesss

[@al_800]

that would be such a neat evolution of !

[@brit_barr]

I want a beauty influencer who’s an utter train wreck with their skin care cuz I can relate to that.

[@EFantasic]

I respected him for staying out of the drama for what seemed like years. Now that he's diving into it head first (especially with the influencers he's trying to fit in with), I am hands-off anything that has to do with him. The fact that he also went out of his way to drag Rare Beauty and wouldn't take the criticism he received for doing that also irritated me.

[@Pebelz75]

I think Desi and Katy and two prime examples of youtubers that have stayed out of drama yet are thriving... by just being themselves and letting us be involved in their daily lives (daily IG stories that are actually interesting to watch)

[@ElizabethNicoleSchwartz]

It's really sad that we've reached this point, where some people feel they have to be problematic for any sign of relevancy.

[@Motley14]

I have always hated that as a society we've rewarded people's controversial and bad behavior with attention and support. Way back in Kindergarten a teacher told us not to pay attention to the kid acting out in class because they only wanted the attention and that was probably the most impactful early life lesson I learned. Unfortunately when KZbinrs (or celebrities) get so popular, they're almost too big to fail and no matter what controversy they create, people will still support them.

[@judywidmer847]

Honestly I’m so thankful for your videos because your voice is one of the only ones I can tolerate whenever I have a headache lol

[@zoomzoom103]

Before I even start the video I just wanna say seeing Hannah smile so brightly in the thumbnail while the title is "The Downfall of Patrick Star" made me giggle lol.

[@jaclynlevy5644]

Right?

[@antoinelk00]

As a Filipino person, I am ashamed of supporting Patrick Star. I thought he was unproblematic asf, but he want to go to corona parties and spread the virus more and more. I swear it seems like the more of my subscriptions that I’m subscribed and then later find out they are problematic, makes me feel sad asf because basically I’m giving them my trust and later on that trust is later burned

[@genericplantlife]

Really crossing my fingers for Bretman right now to stay out of the drama cycle

[@antoinelk00]

@@genericplantlife He’s the ONLY one that gives a fuck about his fans and has enough confidence to call out other problematic people

[@Esquinclaa]

@@antoinelk00 i love bretman but he’s bffs with nikita

[@madisons6719]

Honestly is anyone a Patrick Starr fan? Like the last time I heard of him was the Manny/Laura days in 2017 lmaoooo

[@saradarwin6612]

I don’t think I’ve ever been this early... This glowstick is SHOOK and now glowing as bright as Hannah’s fantastic skin in this video

[@johannabelle]

Are we glowsticks? Is that our name? omg.

[@SanjaSleipnir]

@@johannabelle IT IS! ISNT IT COOL????

[@saradarwin6612]

Yup we are glow sticks! Best fandom name ever (but I might be bias idk)

[@caroa7235]

omg glow sticks I love that haha

[@caoinlean5211]

So when is the Smokey Glow line of candles coming? Your name is literally perfect for it 😍

[@fridaibarria8988]

Imagine her collaborating with someone like white barn 😩

[@coldsuncrowfeet]

I can't imagine wanting to make such a career ending move.

[@CalamityASMR]

just found your channel! am i binge watching every video instead of editing ASMR videos? absolutely.🖤

[@trinitysmith54]

Im so happy you’re talking about this because he really peed me off with that video with the mask around his wrist

[@sarah_dagobah8954]

I am honestly think there is a connection between the rise of “Reality TV” (Laguna Beach, KUWTK, RHof_, etc) and the need for drama within the beauty and lifestyle community.

[@allisonhowlett8342]

“tonsil hockey” made me CACKLE

[@kikilo9647]

That caught me offguard 🤣😂

[@colleensibayan3817]

I always felt like Patrick was problematic IRL but wanted to seem unproblematic in videos

[@foreveralone2411]

Since english is not my first language, I have to say I have never before in my life heard of tonsil hockey so I thought you just made that expression up and was like Hannah you are a genius, until I googled it 😂 not that you're not a genius, you are literally amazing 🥰

[@BlinkedAgain]

Learning English must be a wild ride - we have so many odd sayings and phrases, and then they vary again by English-speaking country! Out of interest, what is your first language? Because your English is excellent.

[@foreveralone2411]

@@BlinkedAgain thank you so much, I'm actually from Slovenia :)

[@BlinkedAgain]

@@foreveralone2411 Oh cool, I made a new work friend a couple of years ago from Slovenia and now I want to go there :)

[@foreveralone2411]

@@BlinkedAgain you definitely should, Slovenia is beautiful :)

[@BlinkedAgain]

@@foreveralone2411 Someday, when we can all travel again! :)

[@ana_d_73]

I've never liked Patrick. Something about his personality has always just rubbed me wrong. Plus those makeup wipes are useless and so environmentally unfriendly.

[@jnicolebrown12]

Agreed. I know people somehow think that Patrick is just as sweet as pie, but if he hangs out with Nikkita and Tana well... birds of a feathers 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@zaldrban]

Personally I feel like Patrick doesn't get away with what these other youtubers do like Jefree and Tana and James is partly to do with race. If he was white it would be vastly different, mama. He's still very much in the wrong! But if he was white this would go away in a day or two.

[@dezdovalina]

EXACTLY!!!

[@8LyJu8]

I would like to think that but, at the same time, Nikita Dragun has a southern eastern asian mother and look, and she gets away with everything, too

[@zaldrban]

@@8LyJu8 True but I think its also because no one expects much from her anymore. She's always in scandals whether its black fishing or whatever and she clearly doesn't care. With Patrick this one of the first times he is being called out in such a huge way. He was "unproblematic" for such a long time people are really shocked.

[@Akister]

I reckon for non-drama channels, take a look at Wayne Goss for example, people watch him not because of the drama, but because he's a no nonsense professional who is almost the antithesis of self-proclaimed 'gurus' who have little credentials and can't be 100% trusted with their product recommendations. I honestly think and hope a rise of true professionals will gradually have more room in the beauty community as people grow tired of the drama and product dishonesty.

[@Know_Your_Enemy42]

How tf is there already a dislike and they didn’t even watch the vid yet? Haters, man.

[@jaymap121]

Its legit PS 😂

[@fifaashfaq]

@@SpyderT22 😳👀👀👀💀💀

[@samofsamnation7523]

I started falling off Patrick, then he uploaded his video bashing Selena’s brand in a feeble attempt to push his own brand up. I unfollowed, and these parties just make me feel good in my decision to unfollow him. Anyone remember the NYX Face awards when Mykie won the competition? Patrick just seemed so off when that happened. Like I could feel his jealousy radiating through the screen. Anyone else remember this and feel it?

[@awkward_spongebob101]

I feel as though everyone needs their own brand. What I mean is that their editing style, their personality, their work should be unique. I believe other content creators succeed (outside of the makeup community) is they have their own style. The why they act, the way they edit, the way they talk. I feel as though makeup content creators, need to also focus on that, not just the makeup. That they should have a unique style, that will make them stand out.

[@lexihagen6822]

I think that someone who is a prime example of a unproblematic beauty youtuber who does very well would be rawbeautykristi and she is a such a genuine sweet soul with great content, he’s videos always feel authentic and are very entertaining to watch, she could literally do her laundry and I would watch it and be entertained because I love her!

[@smokey_glow]

Completely agree

[@marcusking7779]

The one dislike is from Patrick Starr

[@oldschoolgemini]

wait i’m confused about this candle name.... is it like burn down the patriarchy vibe? because i don’t want the word patriarchy sitting pretty on my desk 😩

[@MyRealityTVOpinions]

It’s a candle so it’s burning the patriarchy when you lite it

[@PanicattheDiscourse]

I love how you want to protect your deskvibes 😂

[@oldschoolgemini]

@@PanicattheDiscourse very important when planning the downfall of men on that desk LMAO jkjk

[@jessidwilliams]

You legitimately need to start doing PR for these people.

[@shairisavihar2747]

The sad thing is that because his channel is all about the makeup, his viewers are the same. They aren’t little kids, they’re a bit more mature. Because of that, they won’t blindly support him because they are disappointed and will properly express that and understand it. I feel bad but I also don’t know the solution

[@aaronmurphyy]

I haven't liked him since that video of him at the meet and greet.

[@21975]

Agreed! I was looking for this comment lol

[@anerdnamedalex8527]

Wait what video?!

[@aaronmurphyy]

@@anerdnamedalex8527 I don’t think I can post links in comment sections but there’s a video on KZbin if you search ‘Patrick Starr meet and greet’ it’s called like ‘patrickstarr exposed for dissing fan’ and it’s 48 seconds long.

[@marniewilkins4107]

Hey Hannah, I love what you're saying and i completely agree, however perhaps 'hate' is not the correct word to describe the backlash Patrick is facing over his blatant disregard and lack of respect for other people's lives. Hate would suggest unfounded or more juvenile things, rather than legitimate criticism for disgusting and harmful behaviour.

[@hopecraft1895]

I thought this too!!!!

[@daintybeigli]

Totally agree! It was a legit & deserved backlash

[@justjoannak]

Agreed