The Dragon's Dogma 2 Microtransactions Dilemma

[@CritiqalHit]

What do you guys think about this whole thing? Is it as bad as some make it out to be? Have you played Dragon's Dogma 2 yet?

[@johnnybostonforever]

not going to play it, maybe if it came out on the switch but it can't handle that

[@oourdumb]

I think it is bad because it cheapens the feeling of progressing on your own. Suddenly that 3 hours you spent equates to a real dollar value, making playing the game feel like a chore instead of a fun experience... really unfortunate. Capcom has been super greedy recently, and people let them get away with that Exoprimal game, fully priced AAA game full of MTX to "progress faster" (progressing faster IS winning). Dragon's Dogma does have p2w, because it makes you win faster. It also opens the door for "bad design", what I mean by bad design is that the game mechanics are designed around the MTX. They make some things more rare, harder to find, or take lot of tedious actions to obtain. A lot of people call this "creating the problem and selling the solution".

[@Razaril_93]

​@oourdumb I have no problem spending 3 hours grinding and looting. Yes, I could pay 2 to 3$, but I never felt like my efforts were cheapened in any way. I get the reason behind hating MTX in DD2 but the level of hate is absolutely ridiculous. This isn't the first single player game with MTX hell DMC has had them and no one bitched about it. Assholes are really trying to ruin a franchise thay alot of fan have been waiting 12 years for. I've played and beat the game now on NG+ and haven't spent a dime and enjoyed every single minute. Hate the practice but don't try to devaule and amazing game over it.

[@oourdumb]

@@Razaril_93 Who cares if it's not the first... it's not a good thing in any game. DMC just didn't get as much attention overall. You think because people criticize Capcoms decision to put MTX p2w mechanics in a single player game that is ruining your experience of the game? Absolutely ludicrous and stupid thing to say. On one hand you don't care that MTX is in the game and it doesn't affect your gameplay, however if someone criticizes the MTX outside of the game ... it does? LOL. This is pre-teen logic at its finest. I also never said DD2 was a bad game, but the MTX certainly does detract from the overall experience. Your efforts absolutely are cheapened, they are worth exactly what the MTX costs... hence they are cheapened. You could spend 3 hours running back and forth from point a to point b, or you could spend $2 on an Anchor and save that 3 hours... this is a problem created by the dev, then the dev sold you the solution, and you want to defend that? Delusional is the only word I can think of to describe your type.

[@Razaril_93]

@@oourdumb I never said people criticizing MTX ruins my experience. The MTX don't detract from the game at all because all of them are really nothing of value. If lazy players or players with less free time wanna spend their money on the MTX that's on them. Pretending DD2 is what is gonna open the floodgates for MTX in single players games is ridiculous. Also I said assholes are trying to ruin the franchise. DDDR came out 12 years ago and is amazing DD2 is a game myself and many others have waited for. The performance issues that's 100% fine to critize, but the optional MTX agonizing is stupid. Assholes are telling others not to get a great game because of optional MTX and that is ridiculous. My efforts aren't cheapened because I feel the accomplishment your efforts are only cheapened if you feel they are. The MTX haven't effect my enjoyment of the game in anyway I don't buy them it's that simple. Getting bent over something that is 100% optional and trying to dissuade others from getting the game mainly due to that is asinine.

[@Rageinacan123]

Sounds like something to set up new and naive players to spend money when they don't need to.

[@semmert]

100%

[@mrjuarrezzi]

good work Adam I wanna see more vids like this!

[@janolapino]

Yo, Adam, my love. You didnt link you patreon on your youtube channels descriptions. I was looking for it to subscribe!

[@CritiqalHit]

Really? It's I'm every video description and I'm pretty sure in the channel description but I'll double check lol

[@doomhare75]

they might just be testing the waters for future DLC. Its not too new, they did it for the last Devil May Cry and those stupid orbs.

[@Razaril_93]

One thing I'll say is I don't care about the MTs because they aren't essential in any way and don't change much. Also, I've been playing on Ps5 since launch and only ever had 1 drop in frames, and I was very short. Not saying that others didn't have problem running the game but I personally haven't had a problem.

[@NicholasLeonard-ih8gd]

Nice vid Adam

[@XInoAricinNilo]

30 hours into the game and I love it. I hear the feedback and i understand why someone might be mad...but ultimately its not as bad as people are crying it is. The only thing i truly resonate with is the performance issue. I got lucky but have been on the receiving end of performance issues.

[@Savon_the_gallent_knight]

One time purchases is such a big thing the mtx in this game are not as bad as Diablo4 and all Ubisoft games

[@rebnath]

Unless the microtransactions are pay-to-win, I don't think it matters a hill of beans. Haven't played the game yet so I'll reserve judgement here, but performance issues are certainly an issue.

[@oourdumb]

Everyone seems to have a different opinion on what pay to win means, but in general they are bad faith arguments. First you have to define winning, and in a single player game that's simply beating the game. Since DD2 is a single player game, anything that makes you progress faster is also helping you win/beat the game faster. Thus, anything that is "pay to progress" is also "pay to win". Paying to fast travel in DD2 is absolutely pay to win. The only MTX that aren't pay to win are purely cosmetic.

[@semmert]

I guess, but if someone wants to "pay to win" and cheapen their own experience in a single player game, let them. Also, you can't just simply "pay to fast travel". That's a gross misstatement. you can buy an anchor that you can place down to travel to a specific area, but you still have to get to that area to place it, and you still have to use a ferrystone to travel to it. From what I understand, that is also available to buy in-game (though I haven't seen it, yet), and even then, I haven't found a need for it. The 2 fast travel points I've found, accompanied by a cheap oxcart trip, as been WAY more than enough to play the game normally. It's just for people that don't want to wait, and would rather pay for the convenience. Some people are choosing to feel inconvenienced by it, instead. Not really sure why here. I think most of it is just the stigma that the word "microtransaction" carries with it. Overall they're a greedy idea, but in this game, much like Hell Divers 2, they're just dumb, pointless, and only for people that are lazy. They're not charging you for any items that even make the game better or easier. @@oourdumb

[@oourdumb]

@@semmert They are absolutely charging for items that make the game easier. The anchor is a great example of MTX that makes the game easier... you are talking out your ass here. It also doesn't just cheapen the experience for those who buy-in, it cheapens it for those who choose not to as well. It directly correlates time with money, you can try all the word play you want, that is what it boils down to. You are saying people "choose" to feel inconvenienced, but we know that by design the game has inconvenienced you to push you to purchase MTX. You admit it yourself, even tho it's not necessary, it's inconvenient to have to run back to the same place 10 times, so why not purchase an anchor? It isn't the players "choice" to feel inconvenienced by this type of MTX. Defend it all you want, but when it comes down to it, Capcom created the problem, sold you the solution, you bent over and took it and said, "THANK YOU SIR!". This will only incentivize Capcom and other developers to put bolder and bolder MTX into their games until people like yourself finally realize feeling inconvenienced by a literal inconvenience is not a choice, it's a normal reaction. And while there is MTX in Helldivers, it doesn't actually help you get the items much faster, as you still need to get the medals to purchase the gear. I would have preferred 0 MTX in Helldivers, but thanks to guys like yourself, it gets a pass.... so the battle over MTX on live-service games is over. DD2 is not a live-service though, so MTX should stay out of it aside from basic cosmetics. It's honestly a bit pathetic that people defend Capcoms MTX decision. It doesn't actually benefit you in any way if you aren't purchasing the MTX, so why defend it? The only logical conclusion is you're a shill or haven't touched grass in years, or both.

[@oourdumb]

@@semmert "Thank you for implementing this inconvenience in your game that I can pay to bypass" Pathetic. Are you a BDO Fan or something? Sound exactly like them and their corpo boot-licking apologetic temperament is just cringe-worthy.

[@esbenm6544]

@@semmert bs

[@onlyonehoccus]

This game has problems, microtransactions is not one of them

[@mybecember]

Capcom also messed up with their pricing on the new costumes for their characters in street fighter 6 I can’t remember the exact figures but it was something akin to the costume would cost 600 of their special currency but you could only buy them in 500 increments :/ So it’s a shame that companies aren’t coming up with better monetisation ideas And frankly for this game I don’t see what the problem is It’s single player Everything is available in game If people are lazy and want to pay for it, let them But the street fighter 6 example is pure cringe and they deserves to be lambasted during that time Although the teenage mutant ninja turtles one was worse for SF6…. Something like 100 usd to buy all 4 of them or something stupid like that

[@isthatotnev]

dont even need to watch to confirm this is bait and there is no MTX dilemma in dd2. dumb

[@CritiqalHit]

You are blessed to not be bathing in gaming discourse if you haven't seen the waves of discussion about DD2's mtx lol. Probably healthier life for it anyway, so don't change a thing.

[@isthatotnev]

@@CritiqalHit well im sure i could use some logical reasoning to come to a relatively realistic conclusion. i assume there is discourse within the dragons dogma community due to the addition of mtx when they weren’t present in the first game. however, (hence my original comment) these mtx are purely optional and there is no paywall, or pay to win attributes associated with them; every mtx is obtainable in abundance in game for free. now as to why this discourse even exists? im not entirely sure. all i can think of is that there must of been a crazy influx of new players who never played dd1 so their ignorance decided that the mtx were a punishment. if im wrong, please inform me but it im right, then what is your point?

[@CritiqalHit]

Lol you're approaching the reasons why, and many of them are highlighted in the video you don't need to watch.

[@semmert]

But if you spend 2 minutes on steam, you'll see there is a lot of crying about them. But you'll also notice that steam is completely devoid of logical reasoning and realistic conclusions.

[@isthatotnev]

@@CritiqalHit So yes, initial comment stands true.

[@robyn_wonderswag]

I have played the game for 40+ hours already and there is nowhere in the game that even let's you know microtransactions exist, these videos are so stupid, you dont need to buy them even as rc is very easy to earn. This game is awesome full stop

[@CritiqalHit]

Nothing in this video says anything about the mtx being pay to win, or that they're promoted in game. The discussion in the video is about the gamble of including mtx in a game like DD2 because of the overreaction many players have to them and the damage it can do to early sales and the game's reputation versus just not including them in the first place. It's also about what seems to be the imaginary lines drawn by the current gaming community in the traditional space of consoles and PC regarding mtx, and how developers have navigated that while seeing mobile gaming flourish with mtx included. The dilemma isn't about the mtx being inherently bad, the dilemma is the gamble. That's the video lol.