The Dwarves of Beleriand (and also Ents?) | Of the Lords of Beleriand - Part 6 of 10

[@thomasanthony5021]

This channel is a treasure, you (and any others who are involved in this channel) deserve a gold medal.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thank you very much!

[@colormetakenaback]

4:37 This part is so sweet. I love trees too. I have a white oak tree at the bottom of my yard that is at *least* 100 years old. One farther back on the property (my grandpa had a cattle farm) that I wouldn't be surprised if it were 150+yrs. You feel something when you're there. I just love them. I'd fight over them! ❤😂

[@ianheins650]

Iv been listening to them religiously thank you

[@MellowMutts270]

The visuals I got of Treebeard and Fimbrethil living happily in Middle Earth at the beginning of things was just awesome. Thanks to your explanations the dwarves are really shaping up to be one of my favorite races in the legendarium! The fact that Narsil was forged by Telchar in the first age and eventually comes to Aragorn all those years later is just so cool. In Tolkien’s work it’s almost like everything plays apart no matter the time between them. It’s so cool.

[@jandunn169]

Oh my God...."moss upon stones"..... I always think of Elves or magic whenever I see moss in the forest... I owe my existence to trees....so I really enjoyed seeing Tolkien walking amongst his friends, the trees...

[@bobbie6805]

This is excellent work. I’ve finally figured out the play list thing. Hey, I’m old. Been rereading JRRT since 1975. My grandsons have now subscribed and are loving The children of Hurin (yes, could have had a more apt name but this one’s noble.). Thanks.

[@bkmeahan]

Read all the books dozens (if not a hundred or more) times but enjoy how you bring everything on a topic together and present it with some stunning visuals.

[@degrelleholt6314]

Such a fine presentation! Thank you. I really enjoyed it.

[@paulrhome6164]

At those tense Sindar/Noldor dinner parties, when someone passive aggressively brings up the Kinslaying, ask if they are serving dwarf meat.

[@ianheins650]

I really like your videos

[@xina968]

I am fairly new to your channel and I'm absolutely loving it!! I'm binging videos, Thank you! ❤

[@ScooterDoge]

I assume you will actually read this because you have less than 100 comments currently on this video, and I would just like to say thank you and praise you for such a stellar quality of workmanship that you continue to produce. I comment on a lot of videos and I’m usually telling people how bad they are which is probably a personal flaw of mine but really it comes from a place of trying to health. I told people how robotic and fake they sound and I get nothing but a genuine passion and knowledge of Tolkien from you. That leaves me with nothing to complain about except that you were not consulted for the Amazon travesty. Thank you so much.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks very much! I'm very glad you enjoy the channel.

[@burebor9940]

Great video! I would love if you would also make a video on the petty dwarfs/dwarves alone as well.

[@jeromyframe1930]

Loving this series Dave! I really hope you set up a Twitter or Facebook page, your content is too Awesome not to share and get more into it. Your channel is far superior to many of the other channels out there. Keep killing it Rainbow Dave!

[@tonylakes3086]

You definitely overstated the amount of secrecy of Khazdul because one Andunaic's donor languages is Khazdul meaning the dwarves did occasionally teach other races Khazdul therefore their secrecy wasn't absolute.

[@jeremydouglas1763]

This is just fantastic stuff. I thought I was reasonably well-versed having read the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales but this is leagues beyond I feel humbled. Telchar's portfolio is fascinating. Sindar hunting (and eating?) Petty Dwarves is astonishing and disturbing. But the best thing of all was the section on Khuzdul and dwarven culture: and there is no need to apologise for language tangents because of course language could never be a tangent for Tolkien; it was at the heart of all he did!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks! I'm really glad you enjoyed it.

[@dan240393]

Imagine making friends with the Dwarves... and then realising that you've been barbecuing their short cousins.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Yeesh, that would be an awkward revelation.

[@antithetical]

@@tolkienuntangled this was the first thing that popped into my head. Imagine going back to Menegroth and the Fallas and gently having to tell everyone they've be cannibalising their adoptive siblings 🙄

[@karlkutac1800]

Early lembas ... One petty dwarf will keep you on your feet for a long day's work. 😮

[@Strideo1]

Tolkien and William Wordsworth probably have a tree appreciation club in the ever after.

[@autokrator1]

very informative. nice job

[@kckaz4453]

Excellent. Thank you.

[@permarkusrisman6471]

So the elves don’t strike me as a people that hunt animals just for fun. I think they hunt as a mean for survival, as most people has done. So ponder this. If the elves thought that petty dwarfs where animals and they hunted them, doesn’t that imply that they ate their meat, skinned them for clothes, used their bones?!?? How many great elves where borderline cannibals/accidental dwarf connoisseur? 😅

[@mytandasouder4485]

My head cannon is that petty dwarves evolved into hobbits!

[@vaiyt]

Om nom delicious (?) dorf

[@melkor2650]

That was exactly what I thought of when I saw this. Dark.

[@DrTimes99]

I'm going to dissent. Oromë is the Huntsman of the Valar. If there is a Valar dedicated to the sport of hunting, it's a safe assumption that hunting was an important part of their culture. And the Petty Dwarves were probably the most challenging game to hunt.

[@evenstar1608]

In the Hobbit movie, elves are organic eaters, non meat-eaters, unlike the dwarves.

[@BeBe-zq1dt]

I watched some of your newer videos before combing my way through you library and I have to say.... I am so disappointed you don't introduce yourself as "Rainbow Dave" anymore lol I dunno how I ended up here but I'm not sorry I clicked your video that was recommended to me 😊

[@JimtheGrey1692]

I follow a lot of mythopians, and Dave, you're the pinnacle of pages. Thank you.

[@davidthetraveler1466]

Dwarves are cool, I will admit. But if I had to choose, I think I prefer the Ents. What can I say, Tolkien and I both share a love of trees.

[@Phuskooz]

WOO!!

[@gbzus6849]

Great video

[@VoiceoftheRings]

Awesome Video I learned alot!

[@miaburke9122]

New to the channel and SOOOO loving it, especially as a language nerd- I love all of your linguistic rabbit trails. You really have a knack for untangling the intricacies of Tolkien. I have a quick question about both Thorin and Gimil's use of neo-Khuzdul in the PJ films...is that a way around the sacredness of their language around non-Dwarves?

[@starkilr101]

Loved seeing my all time hero in here ❤️. We thought it was the elves that began it, but rather it was a man from the Midlands who enjoyed a pipe

[@briantolley854]

You're supposed to be the f.. in good guys.. awesome...laughed my ass off!

[@darko-man8549]

Just gotta say perfect ad timing: “Sentences like this” [insert advert]

[@justinah7400]

What do you call a secret hidden Dwarven city? No-look-zdine. Tolkien later must have realized his bad Dad joke and changed it lol

[@jameshitt3263]

All videos and images I see of Tolkien always make me think the same thing: that is the face of an utterly enchanted man. (Meant in the very best way possible.)

[@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215]

The Party Tree!

[@thegoblonoid]

What's your source for learning Khuzdul and Sindarin?

[@tolkienuntangled]

The Dwarrow Scholar is an excellent online resource for learning neo-Khuzdul. As for Sindarin, it is Tolkien's most well developed fictional language, and the Lord of the Rings books give us a fair amount of information on common greetings. Glorfindel says 'mae govannen' to Aragorn when they meet in Fellowship.

[@dinomarr850]

Great video as always! I can recommend everyone to listen to the audiobook of "Children of Hurin" if you haven't already. Read by the great Christopher Lee. One of the best audiobooks i have ever listened to!

[@heil5373N]

16:09 "Mahal" in Filipino is Beloved. Awesome series. I'm still patiently waiting for: Differences movies vs books (Two Towers and RotK)

[@henryco7658]

"Mahal" in our language means Dear/Love or Expensive.

[@tolkienuntangled]

That's very interesting. Which language is that?

[@henryco7658]

@@tolkienuntangled Filipino Language, Tagalog. Im from Philippines. 😁

[@jojobookish9529]

I love the conversation of Aule and Yavanna. When she comes back from her chat with Manwe and tells him the forest will be able to resist the axes of his children, and Aule's just like "they're still gonna need firewood, babe" and goes back to smithing. 😆 Aule's a bit snarky.

[@fofoleveon]

Imagine Sindar Elves bringing home some meaty delicious darves.

[@sulljoh1]

Your tangents are fun What is LOTR if not a tangent on life?

[@NickBR57]

Putting aside the eagles (how do they escape Eru's decree that the Elves shall come first?), how do we reconcile Bombadil and Fangorn being the Eldest and therefore coming before the Firstborn? Do you have a video on that which you could point me to? Also, do you have a video about the Nauglamir?

[@musicman717]

Excellent explaining of Tolkiens Lore.. what would you ask the professor- if he was still alive?

[@salvatorezagra864]

Weren't the both made by Awle?

[@nicktwyford]

Excellent video Dave. Dark question: if the Sindar were hunting Petty Dwarves, did they then... eat them?

[@nicktwyford]

Or wear their skin as pelts, for that matter? They were made to be hardy, after all. Eating them is grosser, but skinning/tanning would probably have worse effects in the long term when a dwarf asks where he got his jacket from, etc. (I'll stop now, I've disgusted myself.)

[@tolkienuntangled]

What a 'meaty' question 🙂 I certainly hope not!!! Although (contrary to some popular beliefs) we do know that elves were meat-eaters, so it is possible. On the other hand, I believe we're told that Petty Dwarves would sometimes attack elves wandering alone, and then retreat back to their caves like animals, so the elven hunters were probably attacking them out of self-protection rather than for food. I suppose it's a bit like how fishermen will kill a shark if it's been known to be bothering humans, but they aren't hunting it for meat

[@nicktwyford]

@@tolkienuntangled okay, the shark analogy makes me feel a little better. Also, that “meaty” pun was a lot to swallow 😉

[@nurkoleptik_art]

learning about the fate of the petty dwarves, it would not be impossible that some of the elves might have also eaten them, like some game animal. Keep that in mind.

[@monicabritt3769]

Didn’t Turin or Hurin hide with Petty Dwarves in a cave? He created a crew of orc hunters out of them?

[@12classics39]

Túrin and his crew of Mannish orc hunters were sheltered by Mîm, one of the 3 last remaining Petty-dwarves. (The other 2 were Mîm’s sons.) Mîm later stabbed them in the back by betraying their location to the Orcs and igniting a chain of events that led to Túrin accidentally killing his beloved Beleg.

[@yanlumotungoe2361]

So the Sindar hunted and ate those petty dwarves? 🤔

[@williamtweed6377]

A quick couple of questions, in the first age the elves nearly wiped out the Petty Dwarves... why did they, & what did they do with the corpses? I hope they didn't eat them.

[@deplorablekunt]

I mean no offense, but I believe you keep putting an extra syllable in the word “Silmarillion.”

[@davidfletcher6703]

The Dwarf language seems to me like something that has it's real world origins in something from around like the Caucasus Mountains in the east

[@ericstoverink6579]

Who is the artist that keeps drawing Tolkien's characters as if they were New Age Emo vampires?

[@stevenjohnson2162]

uruk-hai are no an offshoot of man, they are twisted elves, hobbits are an offshoot of man.

[@sweeperboy]

Great video! I've always found the killing of the petty dwarves by the Sindar somewhat problematic, from a story-telling perspective. Not because it was a terrible act - although of course it was - but I would have credited the Sindar with more intelligence than that. Why did they think the dwarves were mere animals, when (I assume) they had clothes on, used tools or weapons and even had vaguely familiar features like hair (rather than fur) and so on? I know in Real Life, there have been similar situations like the Aboriginals of Australia not being classified as human by White colonists until the late 1960s, but that was out-and-out racism rather than the Sindar's supposed defence of ignorance. Additionally, the Sindar weren't known for exterminating entire species of animals either, so the credibility of this part of Tolkien's story is a little suspect in my view.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Yeah that is a very good point.

[@elguapo221]

Because the Eldar due to their long ensless existence they were board and reveled in bloodshed to feed thier lust.

[@darko-man8549]

@@elguapo221 and created She Who Thirsts?

[@monkey7218]

Having hair and wearing clothes hardly screams intelligence - ents have no hair and presumably use no tools and wear no clothes either but are considered intelligent. Orcs on the other hand wear clothes and use tools, and while they are considered intelligent it would be no surprise that the elves hunted orcs due to their nature and danger to the elves. We have no idea what markers of intelligence would have been obvious to the elves, considering what little precedent there was - or even if intelligence was a trait only non-animals possessed. According to "The War of the Jewels, HoME Vol 11, Part 4, Quendi and Eldar: Appendix B: Elvish names for the Dwarves": "The Eldar did not at first recognize [the Petty-dwarves] as Incarnates, for they seldom caught sight of them in clear light. They only became aware of their existence indeed when they attacked the Eldar by stealth at night, or if they caught them alone in wild places. The Eldar therefore thought that they were a kind of cunning two-legged animals living in caves, and they called them Levain tad-dail [1], or simply Tad-dail, and they hunted them."

[@ernestschroeder9762]

It occurs to me that even though sauron and saruman are maiar of aule they don't seem to use or care for their valar's creation ie the dwarfs.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Very true, although that may be because thanks to Aule himself. He made the dwarves to be extremely resistant to corruption and the influence of dark lords.

[@ernestschroeder9762]

@@tolkienuntangled interesting, so do you think it's because the creation of the dwarfs is not part of the music of the ainur they're less likely to be caught up in the problems of the world in general?

[@tolkienuntangled]

@@ernestschroeder9762 possibly, but I think it was also an intentional design feature on Aule's part. He knew that Dwarves would be living in lands ruled by the Dark Lord Morgoth, so he made them especially resilient as a way to ensure their survival.

[@DrTimes99]

So..... do we think that Gimli taught Legolas Khuzdul?

[@MisterOcclusion]

Thank you for not giving your introduction in Entish, for I do not have a day to set aside for viewing this

[@branharak1331]

Dying petty Dwarf: "Not cool Bruh..."

[@starbugmechanic5236]

I wonder if the Elves that hunted petty Dwarves had eaten any of them since they thought they were animals.

[@ellerose9164]

So if the elves hunted the petty dwarves thinking they were animals... did they also eat them?? Because that's what you do with game, you eat it.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Very good question. We're not told, but it's possible. I hope not.

[@kevinsullivan2462]

Your videos are awsomebut you always say it from the elfen side. Would be awsome to se the dwarfs perspective

[@Mantyszyger]

It could be the Firebeards and Broadbeams were part of a diverse integration of their communities since they were so close. That's an easy solution,

[@Mariobrownio1989]

Hi Dave, really enjoyed your video series! Can I offer you a suggestion? As there are so many names of elfs, and dwarfs, can you use the same art work in all videos when you are referring back to the same character? The same visuals will help causal viewers (only watched the LOTR movies) like me follow the story better. Thanks!

[@amh9494]

You think the elven word for dwarves meaning stunted is rude, but what does dwarf mean? 😏 I have dwarfed your logic sir!

[@BaraJFDA]

I can imagine master Tolkien would weep if he ever found out about the ancient forests of tall trees in the Americas were mercilessly cut down. Especially during the Californian Genocide and the Californian Gold Rush in the 1850s... Redwood or Sequoia trees, older than Jesus Christ, were slaughtered for timber. 🌲🌳

[@ladyalaina42]

Growing up in CA I believe you are not acquainted with the Forests of redwoods and Sequoias that remain. Bad forestry and fires have destroyed more trees than the ax.

[@BaraJFDA]

@@ladyalaina42 Clearly you don't know the history of Indigenous California and why these giants were in danger of being cut down completely in the 1800s. kzbin.info/www/bejne/il7Eq5aGqsyggbM

[@paulrhome6164]

Good thing Yavanna didn't have her husband jump the gun and come up with his own solution. Instead of Ents, he'd make the Lorax.

[@JohnAmidon-c6r]

👍👍

[@Fenris77]

The fact that these "Perry.Dwarves" wore clothing was something the pointy ears missed?! In Warhammer fantasy the dwarves have the book of Grudges and that "missunderstanding" would be one SERIOUS grudge! It does make me wonder what went on in those fair but apparently very thick pointy eared skulls of the Sindar.

[@camillosteuss]

let alone having probably a pickaxe and an axe or two on them, as they did actually did and build, and not by bare hands i guess... So i would say that the elves had a bit of early colonization fun with hunting and massacring the populace that differed to theirs to the point that they considered them animals, just as the early colonials did with local populaces, seeing other people as animals just on account of technology and cultural differences... Same thing here... Only when they met the more ``noble`` dwarves did they stop and look closely at the finesse that was on paar with theirs in fine crafts and arts, and so considered the ``proper`` dwarves as people...

[@camionbrowne8914]

I hope that the sindar were hunting the petty dwarves for sport because other wise 🤢🤮

[@carlcramer9269]

I don't believe Tom Bombadil is a living creature, he is more of a spirit like the maiar.

[@michaelsmyth3935]

Also, since when? Since when are the Elves supposed to be the good guys? The Kinslayings sure do bring that home.

[@stephenjohn2131]

Chosen first born of Eru Illuvitar nonetheless and mind you. Not all of the Eldar participated in Kin slaying so it doesn't mean much when you bring that up to demonize entirety of the elves, Noldor were to blame not all of the elves, even Feanor will have a major role in Dagor dagorath near the end and redeem himself of the hurts that he caused, they achieved greater things that no other can do. The moon itself cherishes their memories. None shall be fairer and none will achieve things greater than they did, the Valar went to arda and made a first war that was for the sake of the elves. In the end, the elves alongside the Valar will make a greater music without a flaw.

[@ninetyZeven]

little Hebrew-ish that neo Khuzdul there. mmh .

[@elmonteslim3711]

I am a mere mortal...all of your Tolkien language confuses me. Can you keep it simple so we can understand. Otherwise you are just as confusing as the book and it's pointless watching your vids. Just sayin' Don't get me wrong, I luv your work.

[@michaelsmyth3935]

Misunderstanding...... neat word for Genocide.

[@MordredSimp]

You're telling me, There's a possibility that Elves ate Dwarves?