The Early Internet & 9/11 Conspiracies - Jordan Klepper Fingers the Conspiracy

Jordan Klepper has heard a lot of 9/11 conspiracy theories at Trump rallies, including this shiny emerald: Osama bin Laden was a CIA operative named Tim Ossman. Together with Dr. Joan Donovan, research director of Harvard’s Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, Jordan unpacks how the early days of the internet and social media have shaped 9/11 conspiracy theories that are still popping up in more places than rallies two decades later. They are joined by veteran and filmmaker Korey Rowe who co-produced “Loose Change,” one of the first viral conspiracy theory films on 9/11. They discuss the legacy of the film, how the right wing has weaponized conspiracy theories for political gain, and what conversations we should be having about the role of the media. #DailyShow #JordanKlepper #Podcast
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[@QuiltLady]

I am a 69 year old, seen a lot of things come and go, duck and cover at school, rise of Russia, Cold War, space race, death of Pres. Kennedy, Viet Nam etc. I morphed from a Father that checked out John Birch, A Mother that was a voice of reason and truth. Asking my brother about the swastikas on his school notebook. As a young adult, I rejected what my fathers family espoused. I knew their racism and hate made no sense. The last two years I have become a You Tube Crone, listening, listening. This past year is the first year of my life I truly feared for my safety as a liberal. Loved this program, great discussion. You folks give me hope for our future. Peace out! Carry On 🙋🏼‍♀️

[@angelathompson1179]

You carry on too 💙

[@blackboots2989]

A You Tube Crone? Is that a thing? 🔹🔹🔹

[@davidtarantino7668]

As a 36yo man I couldn't agree. Thank you for this comment sir.

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[@wakrusgumbo]

What's amazing about the Daily Show is how much hard hitting deep-dive investigative journalism has come out of it. John Oliver, Samantha Bee, Roy Wood Jr., and Jordan Klepper are all taking closer looks at the issue than the any of the big news networks.

[@christinebaker3293]

They ARE the big networks. Government controlled.

[@zachary_smith1]

Factsssss

[@anahata2009]

Which is great, but also an incredibly sad commentary on the state of our "news" outlets.

[@christinebaker3293]

@@zachary_smith1 Yeah, the FACTS that are ignored and REMOVED.

[@theubcr2pbc863]

What closer look?!? This is softball canned and pushed in a particular way. The narrative is being directed as per usual.

[@roxxram9151]

"I used to be optimistic like 10 years ago and then the past 10 years happened". Oof buddy, I feel that.

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[@saxojon]

So the one thing we can all agree on is that Jon Stewart should be president.

[@chadrhinehart3243]

Amen

[@ryandaly3680]

Jordan does these interviews so well. He's solidly there for the information. Why are comedians better interviewers than the average journalist.

[@ritamariekelley4077]

Th billionaire owners of this country have managed to erode education and destroy investigative journalism

[@CityPlannerPlaysChair]

This is the type of conversation Joe Rogan thinks he gets on his podcast

[@yuriajones]

You're so right! lol

[@erinmac4750]

Truth! 😹

[@richiejohnson]

i hate rogan 🥸

[@Asha-TheBarefootMuse]

Correct! He “thinks”… but the truth is he’s just a joke at this point. I honestly can’t stand Rogan, or most of the interviews and conversations he has with the guests on his podcast. And Rogan’s ego is wayyy to big. He just seems like such a slimy character to me; I guess that’s because he is. Just my opinion.

[@richardmillward3898]

If you add together Jordan’s IQ and Joe Rogan’s, the sum equals Jordan’s.

[@moonbeanification]

This series needs its own KZbin channel and PRIMETIME EXPOSURE! Hats off to you Jordan & The Daily Show team. 🙂

[@ksc743]

I think Jordan is underrated as a presenter and a comedian. He never tries too hard. He's just himself.

[@merrilew]

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[@RHCole]

Yup!

[@alumpyhorse]

I click so fast when I see Jordan’s name. He’s phenomenal

[@kaminoshi713]

Well it looks like in January that may be the case.

[@Zig_Was_Here]

These Jordan conversations are some of the best content being published today.

[@MinhSen11]

Two intelligent guests. Thank you.

[@ThankGodImBlack370]

😂😂😂

[@tonysmyth4116]

...and the host who deserves Trevor Noah's vacancy.

[@FranchesicaMiddleton]

Jordan should be the next host of the daily show.

[@jerryabreu5411]

Samantha Bee?

[@FranchesicaMiddleton]

@@jerryabreu5411 like her, but think Jordan would be exceptional.

[@tonysmyth4116]

@@jerryabreu5411 Too quirky. I don't think she'd even want the job.

[@straightciswhiteguy1584]

i totally agree... that way it could fail more spectacularly and lose viewers even faster than trevor noah... 👍

[@patj4952]

Never stop doing what you do Jordan. You truly provide sanity and show how insane some people actually are.

[@crysmeserve5395]

Yes, & we really need more sanity in our country.

[@kolgax2064]

I would like to see a doubling down on investment in education and mental health care in this country. Clearly we need it.

[@edwardmyers8189]

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[@yourlogicalnightmare1014]

I haven't heard much sanity from him, but what about Epstein's client list? The guy had more video on his kiddy island compound than the NSA and CIA combined. The guy had bribery material on nearly everyone on earth of any relevance. Where's the list? Why hasn't ONE single kiddy tickler gone to trial or prison other than his female facilitator/friend Gislane Maxwell? Face it, there's no greater corrupt or evil organization than the federal government. No conspiracy required, just outwardly evil, and largely ignored by Democrats because of their own role in it

[@kolgax2064]

@@yourlogicalnightmare1014 It's pretty meta to post conspiracy theories on the podcast about what draws people to conspiracy theories. I hope you watched the video.

[@MadiTheMiss]

Jordan is HILARIOUS. But this shows he is becoming an important voice as well. I’m holding my breath waiting for his show - and if it’s as in depth as this is, I’ll pay to watch. Bravo!

[@lostkeysnurse]

I'm late to watch this because, tbh, I expected a fluff piece. This ended up being a very important conversation that we need more of! I'm pretty impressed and learned a lot. Thank you, please keep these tough conversations going!

[@altonlathrop7925]

Jordan's work just keeps getting better.

[@sullyprudhomme]

Dr. Donovan is insightful and informed. Great choice for an interview.

[@MosDaft]

Completely unrelated, but, she has really pretty hands. Not into hands, never notice that kind of thing, she just has really pretty, ideal looking hands.

[@jeannefoster5594]

I could listen to her all day!

[@SoloDallasII]

And incredibly diplomatic to the Loose Change guy. I would have struggled not to call him out to his face.

[@sullyprudhomme]

@@SoloDallasII agreed. He seemed ultimately unrepentent for his nonsense.

[@ralu4816]

Yes! And beautiful voice :p

[@audioacc]

I like her! I like how she thinks and sees things. It’s very balanced and objective.

[@punkyfeathers1639]

I really enjoy this series, I hope he continues to do these kind of thoughtful, complex conversations.

[@dogearflopper7011]

Listening to Dr. Donovan talk about the early days of the internet really draws a picture of how we got to where we are now. It's nuts.

[@BolleZijde]

Imagine Google pulls the plug and says: "We are done with it."

[@agentorange81]

It was getting bad in 2012 with fake videos saying the UN was invading and setting up of FEMA camps ect ,funny it got so bad one year around mass protests of Putin in 2011 ,and the tea party springing up brought a lot of eyes and ears to misinformation \disinformation

[@melscotto5330]

When you can self-determine the length of time, you're not in a hurry to cut people off. Yes, others can learn this. And when TV cuts people off, they bombard us with ridiculous commercials. Cut cable.

[@progressivechihuahua7028]

Yeah.. but young Alex Jones made me lol

[@Sweet.Mother.of.Cheesus]

Always find it a bit difficult to take someone 100% serious as an expert on such serious matters that can't properly take care of themselves and shows no interest whatsoever to be "presentable". And yes, I may be old-fashioned but I truly believe your appearance says something about you.

[@brianbarker2509]

The other two episodes were very well done, but these two guests killed it. I appreciate the dialogue. Great watch.

[@ericapivko]

Incredible show! Came here to listen to Joan's incredible ability to break down disinfo, and was curious about her take on what happened around 911. Positively blown away by the entire Convo. Thank you all.

[@erictaus8579]

Best Guest EVER! Intelligent, funny, & knows how to spin information into a story. ❤️

[@HoneyBadger80886]

Word

[@kristischutt6993]

Jordan, those two missed Emmy awards are going to be made up here. This podcast is nothing short of award worthy. So well done.

[@benjamindiequez115]

I believe the Emmy"s were rigged ! Jordan actually won those Emmy's ! 🤣🤣🤣

[@MossyMozart]

@@benjamindiequez115 - Oh, I think Mr Klepper would be VERY disappointed in you for spouting conspiracy theories after he put his safety on the line exposing them at trumpian rallies. (He really was threatened and had to go to the rallies with security guards.) We don't need any "stop-the-steal-types" on the left!

[@jonlamotte588]

Great informative show Well done Jordan

[@jamesfarquhar8507]

Klepper needs his own show, really.

[@ObsidianLife]

LOL, this IS his own show!

[@jamesfarquhar8507]

@@ObsidianLife you’re right, I just didn’t see it at the time.

[@kuanjuliu]

What a fantastic pairing: I came into this ready to roll my eyes at Korey’s whitewashing of his own history, and even at Dr. Donovan’s generalizations to today’s environment, but left realizing I had barely appreciated the historical importance of “Loose Change” and how differently conspiracy theories morph online when they go viral. Thank you Jordan for this really, really wonderful discussion: 100% TIL material for me.

[@Mr.Robert1]

When Loose Change first hit KZbin years ago I watched the full video. It was at least an hour long if not longer. Amazing effort trying to prove the conspiracy theory behind the entire September 11th nightmare. I was born and raised in Brooklyn New York I worked in Manhattan my entire life. I was working downtown on Nassau Street in the financial district when this took place. My brother and my brother-in-law both worked in the World Trade Center. It's a miracle that the attack did not take place later in the day. Both towers had a capacity of 60,000 people. Can you imagine the outcry and the repercussions if the Towers came down when they were full? I don't think this fact was brought up by anyone. I am very big on facts and figures. There are people posting right here on this very video that are on the side of the conspiracy theorist When I read it I really get aggravated. Nowadays I try to stay away from these type of people now life is too short can't convince them of anything anyway even though there was footage of both planes flying into the World Trade Center they still believe that it was remote control military planes and the people that were in the planes are happy and smiling somewhere. too much I can't even go on.

[@1MarkKeller]

The Loose Change dude was at the latest Trump rally. So yeah, he's still not all there.

[@patricknorton5788]

I recently listened to the audiobook of "Voodoo Histories: The Role of the Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History" by David Aaronovitch. His thesis is basically "actual conspiracies have had a weak effect on historical events, but conspiracy theories have had a significant impact". I highly recommend it. It mentions "Loose Change" but also delves into lots of other conspiracy theories.

[@SchroomMetanoia]

distinguishing between freedom of speech and freedom of broadcast. I like this very much.

[@wmoore4740]

This is a great conversation that we as Americans and all people in this world should be having.

[@JF-wn2yb]

Great to hear from Korey Rowe, Joan Donovan, and Jordan Klepper. It actually put a lot of pieces of the puzzle together that I've had questions about.

[@HotYogurtMan]

It's great to see Klepper taking charge of his creativity. For all the years of hard work and solid content, thank you!

[@TheRealcdawg22]

IT'S A SCAM! SCAMMERS USE TELEGRAM.

[@garettjames6349]

I hope they give the Daily Show to Klepper. He deserves it.

[@philotheabezin4765]

Wow, a great discussion about the balance of regulating yet protecting free speech, and helping us understand why friends, colleagues and family have become susceptible to misinformation. We all need to apply healthy scepticism without losing faith in our democratic system. Thank you for this broadcast.

[@lennellwaltonboxer]

A girl at work today tried to convince us all the earth was flat. It was hilarious but so sad.

[@thengine7]

First past the post voting has broken democracy. Our current polarized parties are the result. /r/endfptp

[@Khronogi]

@@lennellwaltonboxer and imagine if she didnt have that regulated feedback from the rest of her coworkers. That laughing at her is your societies way of regulating misinformation.

[@8088I]

:-)) Don't tell me! Tim's Dad was "The Boy named Sue."

[@spacekiwikit]

Such a high quality interview. Jordan is genuinely interested, treats his guests with dignity.

[@nooneofconsequence1251]

more than they deserve, in this case

[@rievaulxlucienne1176]

Everyone who is interested in this topic should Google "A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7" which is a study done by the University of Alaska at Fairbanks which proves the NIST explanation to be not only incorrect but entirely impossible.

[@LindaMitchell]

Dr. Joan Donovan may be on to something about Elon Musk's motives with Twitter. She was very insightful throughout this conversation. Jordan Klepper's new series is a must listen. Each episode is informative.

[@chrisromig7390]

Dr. Donovan and Korey really hit the nail on the head with respect to solving the information solution going into the future. It's a combination of educating our kids and relying on truly professional journalism. And educating our kids in professional journalism. The internet has allowed echo chambers to run wild.

[@jso6790]

About 15 minures left, but I feel compelled to share. This is a wonderful conversation with two people sharing such interesting and compelling perspectives from the academic side as well as the "practitioner" side, so to speak. I was not a part of the 9/11 Truther stuff, even though I was very active on the internet at the time, so this was a revelation.. some 20 years later. I really appreciate his insights as well as Dr. Donovan's research. The ideas of mass communication and its impact on human development is a real and lively one, one I discuss in my Interpersonal Communication course. My concern has to do with identity development among younger people because we used to develop our identities in real communication with other people face-to-face, but now we shape our identities based upon images on phones and laptops and mediated communication that provides an artificial sensibility of communication.

[@melsafken764]

Can I ask you how violent video games shape young people's development? And I am a mother who took away video games from my happy young son, when I noticed his personality change.

[@REALACCOUNTABILITY]

Your too smart, I'm just sayin...

[@Khronogi]

@@melsafken764 I'd be careful about that one. The idea that video games make people violent has been going on since at least the 90s and seems to be pretty debunked. A lot of people play violent games, most of them aren't violent. However, while I dont think there is a direct correlation, I do think it could be part of the issue, especially when we consider identity. So when asking the question about video games and identity development, I think its necessary to ask what video games, how much exposure, and what age?

[@Khronogi]

I'd be interested in talking about your class. I myself was essentially raised on the internet back in the late 90s early 00s.

[@jso6790]

@@Khronogi @Mel Safken I would echo the notion that violent video games as a cause has been debunked, BUT I would also caution that a person, who was too addicted to video games and remained alone and isolated playing those games, even if in semi-social online "guilds", might suffer the same consequences as someone stuck on their phone. Isolation from real human contact can be detrimental regardless. It is not necessarily the violence of the games, but the addiction and/or isolation caused by playing those game to the exclusion of human interaction and normal socializing and development. I cannot claim any of the cool research credit, unfortunately, but Sherry Turkle at MIT has done some very interesting work. There is a great discussion she did for the American Academy of Arts and Sciences called "Technology and Empathy After COVID-19" which sparked a lot of ideas and thoughts. She has been engaged with this idea of technology's impact on our personality and identity development for decades. Check out Sherry Turkle's work. It is extraordinary. The book we assign in the course at Temple is called Alone Together and is about a decade old, but predicted a shocking number of recent developments, even if she seems to understate human adaptability to technology

[@evabuenconsejo3737]

Following Jordan seriously & for laughs to keep the sanity in this chaotic Trumpism. Thanks to all the participants in this conversation...people like you give us hope for a decent society.

[@jamesaustin7845]

We need to get back to talking and discussing face to face, that's why people don't have any boundaries and feel like they can say anything they want without consequences. Most young people are so desensitized to communicating with each other that they think it's weird to even talk on the phone to their friends.

[@troglodyte8364]

Jordan's humour is so on point because he's an exceptional listener.

[@Curly_479]

This series is amazing! I hope it stays for a while!!!!

[@serjeantpepper2986]

Fascinating to see one of the makers of Loose Change contextualize his own work in this "post-Truth" era. I would've loved to see ya'll go into more depth about some of the specific claims posited in the film, but for the sake of keeping the discussion moving in a constructive, forward direction, it's probably better you didn't dig too much. All around, these are such crucial conversations to be having at this moment.

[@erinmac4750]

As someone who's followed different academic looks at documentary filmmaking, journalism, and the internet, that was fascinating to hear Rowe's perspective on what he created and its dissemination. Definitely would like to find out more. It is interesting though, how the work has taken on a life of its own, disassociated from its makers.

[@serjeantpepper2986]

@@erinmac4750 for sure!! Conspiracy theories were once topics for intellectual stoners to wax philosophic. Today they seem to shape the body realpolitik.

[@xiaoka]

He knows now it's BS, but the thing is, it was clear that it was BS at the time. You didn't need additional information to know it was an unbelievable "theory".... unfortunately the damage is done. Flat earth and moon landing hoax theories are pedestrian compared to the Alex Joneses of this modern world...

[@progressivechihuahua7028]

Right? I kept waiting for the same thing! They were afraid to tick him off. He was extremely defensive throughout. They hinted at it by asking how he felt about the film now but he was avoiding going into specific claims.

[@tihana13]

@@progressivechihuahua7028 Interesting that you saw him as not wanting to get into specifics there because I got the impression that he was interrupted twice within 30 seconds and didn't really get a chance to finish answering... Which surprised me because Jordan Klepper is not the one to interrupt his guests usually.

[@SouthCountyGal]

Joan Donovan is brilliant, thoughtful and diplomatic. Jordan Rowe is fascinating. Great discussion; thank you!

[@Hoberpopkin]

Rowe came across a bit slimy to me, tbh. The poor dude definitely has been through a lot, and had a huge cultural shock when he realized what the U.S. gov't and our overseas policies really looked like. But I kept on getting this vibe that his main priority wasn't really to fully acknowledge his part in it and to really examine exactly what the nature of misinformation was--that his main goal really is to secure his legacy. He didn't want what he and his friends created to be associated with the monster that exists now. It's understandable. No creator would 't want their work to suddenly get used like that. It's disgusting. But every time he talked, I swear I could hear the anxiety behind that overpower everything else, even when it comes at the cost of honesty.

[@SouthCountyGal]

@@Hoberpopkin I think he has traits consistent with any dedicated conspiracy theorist. If the theory doesn't ring true for you any more, you either bend it til it resonates or drop it completely and take up a new one. As the originator of this particular set of theories, he has to keep trying because his name is tied to it forever. Still, I see a core of integrity in him. He's trying very hard to fight on the side of politics that he feels is more ethical. That's my fascination.

[@aimeehazelton2067]

You are in fact doing it!! Best "journalistic " conversation I have heard amongst all the "media"... Keep it going, Mr. Klepper!

[@neoprofin]

This is incredible. Hearing Korey Rowe talk about where he was when Loose Change was made, and where he is now. It really puts my opinion of it in a gray area with context. This is the kind of legitimate, informative reporting that we need.

[@princesorrow1]

The passage of time doesn't change the reality that physics doesn't allow a 40+ story steel framed building to collapse at free fall speeds through itself all the way into its basement due to office fires. More importantly, the fact that radicals believe democrats harvest baby blood and JFK Jr is gonna be Trump's running mate in '24 doesn't turn conspiracy facts into theories to be ignored.

[@DiamondDavev2]

Outstanding mind and voice on Korey. Give him a show. Respect.

[@MjSchreiber806]

I really appreciate this series, love what yall do at the Daily Show, keep it up!

[@carolbricker4434]

Your guests are awesome. Your show too.

[@davidstorrs]

Excellent discussion. Jordan, thank you for getting two people with different and nuanced views. I wish you had asked Korey for a more specific version of his position -- it sounded like he was saying that there should be no restrictions on internet speech whatsoever and the control should take the form of (a) teaching critical thinking and putting the responsibility on the consumer to thoughtfully consider what they're seeing and hearing and (b) suing / prosecuting people who take negative actions that they take based on bad information. It's an idea that makes me nervous; on the one hand, it sounds like it would be the best way to go if we could trust people to be sensible, but I think the last few years have shown that we really can't. I'd love to talk to him about what tradeoffs he thinks are appropriate, if any.

[@yuriajones]

Your thoughts on Korey's position mirror mine. Although, he did add that he's happy that platforms like Google have the power to 'regulate' content by removing them if said content violates their terms.

[@TheRealcdawg22]

IT'S A SCAM! SCAMMERS USE WHATTSAPP.

[@caitlinoloughlin9495]

This is absolutely must-hear content. This is my new favorite podcast by far and I’ve been recommending it to everyone. Great job y’all!

[@suzason]

How can you NOT watch media and decide what is NOT worth watching?

[@Patrick-fb1ee]

@Caitlin O’loughlin I totally agree. This podcast is unrivaled at taking dense and important conversation and making it accessible to everyone without dumbing it down. Though I don’t agree with a lot of what Kourey said I love that they were respectful and challenged his thoughts without attacking them. It was a master class in debate. Also I would be remiss to not say I am also an O’loughlin. Howdy cousin!

[@hunnybadger442]

I read "amusing ourselves to death" by Niel Postman when I was 13... I saw this all coming... Which is why to this day I have avoided almost all social media religiously...

[@jayfrank1913]

What a you doing on KZbin (especially the comment section)? Talk about a toxic social media company. And Google is one one of the most profitable. I agree with the point you're making.

[@hunnybadger442]

@@jayfrank1913 I've always been on KZbin from the beginning and posting responses to content isn't exactly that social since with people... It's not really geared towards socializing... Yes anyone can create and share content... But it's not really about putting one's existence on display... Most content actually has to have some kind of "purpose"... While things like TikTok, Snapchat and Instagram seem to me to be more about who's posting than what's being posted... It's form vs function... Which is exactly what Postman postulates... At what point does the medium become the message and the message no longer even matters... It is rather disappointing that he unfortunately passed away before he had a chance to see what exists as "media" and the kinds of "discourse" we engage in today... I'd love to hear what he'd say... But I knew from very early on... I was never ever going to win any kind of popularity contest ever... So I don't find anything compelling at all about social media because it's pretty much a waste of time... Because no one is ever going to ever care about what I have to say in any real meaningful way... And that also why I like posting on KZbin... Because it's not my job to in anyway even in my control to attract anyone to my posts... My popularity or other lack there of means nothing to the popularity or visibility of the content that inspired the beginning of the discourse... But I can guarantee you... There would be 0 engagement with anything related to me at all...

[@jayfrank1913]

@@hunnybadger442 You're correct about the difference between KZbin and other social media companies. My post above was pretty gratuitous. I do spend too much time on Facebook which I see as a way to keep in contact with old friends I would otherwise have lost contact with. I do tend to make my posts about me because I'm in a more isolated place in my life as I get older (I'm almost 60, and I'm doing that right now. Anyway thanks for making me think more about it, I appreciate that!

[@Pagandawn13]

Fantastic episode! Great guests, topic and discussion! Thanks again Jordan!

[@taylorswan8587]

I’m sorry but Korey saying ‘every single story on the news is nonsense’ is as intellectually vapid a position as saying that every story from every source is always perfectly true

[@ElroyMF1]

You have evidently never heard of "hyperbole", you should look it up.

[@JabroneyDirt]

@@ElroyMF1 His statement was anything but hyperbolic. Maybe you should heed your own advice sir?

[@trekkiejunk]

Agreed. But I think it was more hyperbole than a completely factual statement.

[@ElroyMF1]

@@JabroneyDirt so you're saying that every news story was in fact nonsense? Really? Every one? Or is it simply that you don't know what hyperbole is either.

[@justabookworm1382]

@@ElroyMF1 Korey is implying that the majority of the news is just nonsense. That's a hurtful comment to the journalists and news reporters who do publish as many facts as they know to be relevant. It also implies general distrust to "mainstream news". In fact, it would have been more accurate to say, "every single new story has a bias behind it that changes how the story is told."

[@erinmac4750]

Jordan you and your guests just created the space you were talking about, a place where facts and perspectives can be discussed in the pursuit of knowledge. You have a knack for choosing excellent, well paired guests. Joan and Korey brought some amazing insights and perspectives to what turned out to be a discussion about communication in this time of unstable, shifting platforms and media. We need this! Thank you Jordan, as well as Joan Donovan and Korey Rowe! (Hope they return soon). 💜✊

[@daankpost]

Best conversation about media/disinformation in this age I have seen. Thank you!

[@mikegraham3006]

To support a politician is like supporting your favorite football team by a jersey and keep it moving!! Most accurate and Gangsta line of all time!!! Awesome awesome interview!! Thank you Joan, Corey and Jordan!

[@rubberdog8763]

Dr. Donovan look no further - this panel needs to come together again and again. We absolutely need more Klepper, even more! Needs to be primetime. The Daily Show and all people associated with - all quite intelligent, forthcoming, insightful, educated, informed & straightforward, fair, and absolutely humorous - which helps facts be learned. Seriously, thx!

[@ktube332]

I 100% support what Klepper is doing. Dr. Joan was fantastic! What an incredibly important and fascinating area of study!

[@TheRealcdawg22]

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[@kyle19421]

It astounds me every time I see klepper (among others, though he sticks out the most in my mind) that a comedy show does such a great job delivering a lot of really politically charged information in such a calm, clear way. Always a joy, and hopefully an inspiration to generations to come

[@cyndimoring9389]

this is true investigative journalism, cloaked in comedy with a nod towards sarcasm and cynicism. the perfect mix. Jordan Klepper deserves true recognition for his efforts.

[@chadfife3265]

I feel like these hour long podcasts are essentially Jordan's therapy from his previous work for the daily show

[@thebrightest1230]

I totally agree. We’ve seen him discussing serious topics while also engaging with some really out-there, nutballs wack jobs but- ✨this series✨ shows him talking with people who are intellectually on his level. Excellent!!!

[@donburdick2385]

This is terrific. Thanks to each of your for sharing. This needs to be cover on the mass media and social media.

[@SUPER_WOLFMOON]

Thank you Korey Rowe! Challenging those in power is Brave! Thank you for all your sacrifices!

[@everettfarr8036]

Jordan Klepper does a better job explaining this than anybody else. Thank you......

[@EricMcCarthy_creative]

Easily one of the best conversations I’ve seen and heard lately. I grew up in the same era, and the digital democratization that was essentially driven by Final Cut Pro and miniDV was amazing. I liken this to the early days of Lalapalooza - the realization that you were not alone. That there was a huge community of other doubters or truth seekers, or what have you… I remember in 2008 or 2009 living in Seattle, working as an editor and cameraman living inside the digital future that was “now” (then) and the general consensus was that we’d already gone past “peak-internet”. The days of “Do no evil” as the Google mantra were behind us with Brin, Bezos, Gates, Zuck, and Jobs all looking for the next way to make SERIOUS money.

[@austinholt4022]

Really well done, to everybody involved. Really looking forward to more Jordan Klepper deep dives.

[@Asha-TheBarefootMuse]

Same here - I love listening to these segments with Klepper and the amazing people he interviews. Super informative, and some much needed comic relief too.

[@TheRealcdawg22]

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[@suzbone]

@@TheRealcdawg22 I've reported dozens of these as spam already, please do also when you can

[@TheRealcdawg22]

@@suzbone I have reported a bunch of them but it doesn't look like KZbin is taking them down. Not all that I reported anyway except the one that was on this thread.

[@donalddimitruk4536]

Great job of journalism by Jordan Thank you.

[@Salve.Seraphim]

Jordan, you are a gem of a person! Keep doing what you do!!

[@kategleason6481]

This was a great discussion. Thanks for this. Wonderful kind, thoughtful and insightful guests.

[@derheadbanger9039]

This needs so much more exposure and all the awards there are! Well done everybody! Not just Jordan - they were all wery well spoken, informed and convincing. 👍

[@mickael486]

We need more people to come forward like Korey Rowe. Most are too scared to considering what has happened to many people that have spoken out about 9/11 and the story we were given to believe. 9/11 will, more than likely, never properly be investigated.

[@toth3484]

the wrap-up Jordan goes into around 34:00 really feels like the /right/ way to frame this conversation. well done as always, thank you for bringing such uniquely interesting guests

[@asnieres32]

Am sure that Loose Change is going to #1 on KZbin today😁

[@wtfschmuck]

I think it's wild that a teacher I had in high school showed my class Loose Change in 2005. I know the internet is still crazy today, but back then it was just so insane... Not sure how much was cause I was a kid vs it actually being so different. But it feels like a whole different place.

[@Chhesterification]

Never heard of it before today.

[@GCCG76]

@@wtfschmuck i watched it in the same year. Not in a school but you can thank that teacher if covid hasn’t reached him/her yet

[@GCCG76]

@@Chhesterification and its still in YT, can find only a 2hr version currently at 500k+ views

[@lynseymoat363]

@@GCCG76 they made 3 or 4 different films. I believe the 2nd edition is still on YT. I haven't seen the original on KZbin for a while now.

[@judithrichards5754]

I feel the same as he does about what I listen to and how I feel about not watching Trump or Biden. The whole conversation was so relatable and I love how Jordan can be so funny and also do a serious interview.

[@jannichi6431]

Professor Joan is terrific, thanks Jordan🥰🤓

[@Beth-ie]

Great conversation, Mr. Klepper. You just don't stop having the best videos out there, do ya?! Keep it up, PLEASE!

[@bubbercakes528]

Never let us forget that the freedom from never ending ads is what drove many to the internet.

[@lolodee3528]

Now look at us….ad vortex.

[@RayKosby]

I loved this. I think Dr Donovan may have overlooked a fact about Elon's Twitter purchase. He tried to get out of the deal suffering a $1B penalty but ended up legally forced to stay in for $44B. He may never really intended to buy Twitter; his backout plan failed.

[@ObsidianLife]

I think he though they would “blink” so to speak and back out so he wouldn’t have to…

[@kathymarie3723]

Twitter makes 700 million a year Musk has to pay 1 billion a year interest on his loans a year.

[@shawnyoung8752]

So even rich people make mistakes?

[@Doug-mu2ev]

Just amazing, as always, keep it up!

[@StacySalles55]

Great conversation! Thank you.

[@sweetsue4204]

Thank you for these insightful conversations about this social madness.

[@MartinMaat]

Every time Dr. Joan talks I get impatient waiting for a point that doesn't come.

[@gggnumber1]

"Every time Dr. Joan talks I get impatient waiting for a point that doesn't come." Yeah, in my opinion, she ain't got nothing to contribute.

[@mikebutler4189]

I found myself scrolling through the comments whenever she was talking. Nothing against her personally but she is not very engaging in this video - not enough substance

[@deborahmccoy5619]

Thank you, Jordan. Great speakers. All respectful listeners!

[@agentorange81]

"Some call him Tim? " Monty Python and the holy grail predicted it

[@hy-roller7771]

"There are some who call him.... tim." -Monty pythons holy grail

[@dextersbeard3472]

This was a really interesting episode. I really hope this podcast continues.

[@jennyduff2597]

What an amazing, thought-provoking conversation and discussion. Thank you to all three of you!

[@CharlesMontgomeryNWeSource]

Respect. What a fantastic conversation.

[@akadacat]

Hands down the smartest conversation I've heard this month. I live with 2 M.A's, and it's nearly the end of the month. Thanks Jordan.

[@janiceellery1653]

Conspiracy theories have been around since the beginning of human history. Paranoid, negative beliefs seem to give people some explanations for random events and allows blame to be projected onto others. The internet just escalated this process.

[@lindag4544]

like the bible..

[@abram730]

Like witch hunts or the official 911 story and war on terror. People cling onto fantasies, and will bath the earth in blood for those lies..

[@8arrows]

And propaganda has been around since the printing press was invented. Look at history of America through that lens. From the abolishment if slavery to the Indian removal act. All propaganda.

[@georgealanthompson]

7/11 was a part-time job!

[@abram730]

@@georgealanthompson A deadly part-time job. Imagine getting a job playing a suicide bomber in a training exercise, over sleeping and discovering the train you missed blew up and you were the suspected suicide bomber. Police then shoot you dead, for being a terrorist.

[@suzason]

Jordan Klepper for speaker of the House! ❤

[@135x]

This podcast needs to go big time, it's so important!!!!!

[@jack_peters]

yaaaawn.

[@Anthony-dy5cq]

Klepper should definitely take over the daily show, he's not only funny but he's actually about it, the man went to a protest for justice and spent time in jail for it.

[@brookedillon838]

I wonder if being in the spotlight to that extent wouldn't hinder the other things he is doing such as that. I would enjoy him as a host, but at the same time, he may be more important as a "boots on the ground" way

[@carolynmeinung1286]

Thank you. Absolutely fantastic discussion.

[@Chickenandrice485]

I love her, she really connected a lot for me. Thank you.

[@johnsieverssr8288]

Thanks, Jordan and Dr. Donovan

[@TroyHewitt]

This is a vital conversation, and both guests were fantastic. I think the acknowledgment of the cultural elements of it all is critical- the drive to be the change maker, to be the newsmaker, to be the citizen journalist, which can take the aspiring influencer from the typical, expected engagement to the attention of millions overnight, and the impact that can have on an unprepared "civilian" that is desperately hoping it will happen. Also, I can't help but feel like a missing tool in the toolbox to combat misinformation is a more aggressive and concerted effort to develop emotional intelligence and critical thinking skills. Less about the control of the information and more focus on how we individually contend with all the information we receive from any source, be that the government, a youtube channel, your parents, or your neighbor. This is a long way around to what I wanted to say initially, which is thank you Jordan! I appreciate you a great deal.

[@kharris2393]

I hadn't really thought of emotional intelligence as a tool, but you're absolutely right. The knowledge that most information is going to make you feel a certain way, and that you should be asking "Is that intentional?" "Is this emotion proportional?" "Why might someone want me to feel this way"? That's very interesting.

[@davidwaller7721]

The first internet conspiracy theory I heard of was in 1996 with the TWA flight 800 accident.

[@Fuzzypotato2]

Cool story?

[@brianlara6451]

Is that the plane that was supposed to have been shot down leaving NY?

[@backcountrynomad5109]

@@brianlara6451 yes

[@theundergroundlairofthesqu9261]

@@brianlara6451 It was supposed to, but I heard from a neighbor's uncle that the rocket _missed_ and then a failed wiring harness in the gas tanks blew the plane up!

[@Wayzor_]

Mine was chemtrails around 99-00

[@referee9222]

Korey, you want people to follow you and absorb information the information you want. I am on youtube watching this and I do enjoy Jordan with his approach to delivering information.

[@pdxcorgidad]

Exactly. He only wants to stay "relevant."

[@alexwyatt2911]

Korey seemed like he was talking out of both sides of his mouth. He condemns Donald Trump persuading conspiracy and lies while Korey continues to perpetuate lies about the deadliest terrorist attack in human history. There is a difference between exploiting a tragedy and manufacturing a tragedy. The US government can certainly be found guilty of the former with regards to Sept. 11th. It’s a mistake to assume contrivance when incompetence, error, and/or greed is an adequate, logical explanation.

[@pdxcorgidad]

@@alexwyatt2911 This. This right here.

[@aimeehazelton2067]

Jordan Klepper is BRILLIANT!!! As are his guests! You in the running for Trevor's job??

[@dr.buzzvonjellar8862]

Loose Change is an incredible documentary

[@yk-lt5bs]

Amazing episode finger man. Really interesting. The insight into at this point half of your country and a ~quarter of the worlds culture is amazing. Give this man a medal!

[@matthewa441]

What I would love is to see Jordan Klepper going on Jon Stewart's show on Apple TV+.

[@StacySalles55]

So true that news networks jump on stories before having all the facts and make editorials around the incomplete info.

[@commonsense320]

I will say the ability to talk to anyone anywhere for free has changed my life. My husband was in the service in the very beginning and has worked on the road almost ever since, we used to talk every Tuesday and Thursday for 10 minutes because long distance was so expensive. Now we talk every night for 3 to 4 hours and have for the last 15 years. That is wonderful, that keeps us connected.