The Easiest Alternative Win Conditions in Commander | EDH | Magic the Gathering | Commander

[@johnstarinieri7360]

Smothering Tithe+Revel in Riches puts a huge, glorious target on your back

[@elektronischemusik1903]

rightfully so, hate this. i wanna play commander in my spare time, these combo closes the game out without playing commander.

[@johnstarinieri7360]

Elektronische Musik It really doesn’t though. There are a lot of combos that close out a game much quicker than this

[@nickdistefano6311]

Facts

[@raccoonhatcity7627]

Then Armageddon 😎

[@vishiousbacon]

@Bamichinees redirect is better

[@hunterstephens3671]

Mitch: Gaining life isn't as good a strategy, there are better ways to take players out. Exquisite Blood&Sanguine Bond: Am I joke to you?

[@shanekhiu9884]

Or Aetherflux

[@badvoodoo2097]

Aetherflux is nasty in a lifegain deck I ran Breya eggs and that was nasty Just cast all of your mana rocks dramatic reversal to untap them just in case they remove your altar during combo Also run athreos god of passage as a lightning bolt trigger to your opponent is possible during myr retriever and scrap Trawler combo

[@goolabbolshevish1t651]

@@shanekhiu9884 animate aeitherflux and give it lifelink. My favorite way to win with it.

[@brownrice4125]

Mitch: “You have to cast spells to... do things, in commander” Oloro Players: *”Wrong”*

[@kiwiwasoncehere3623]

Oloro is one of the commanders I hate above any other. I will usually refuse to play a game if I see someone who refuses to play something else

[@markomalmi7989]

@@kiwiwasoncehere3623 thanks, now i know what to purchase next

[@ChildrenOfOwls]

@@kiwiwasoncehere3623 I urge you to be a better player

[@kennyfuego2450]

Last time I was this early, companions could be cast from outside the game

[@alexanderpavlov2558]

Before I watch, is Thassa’s Oracle Here?

[@robertlowry5012]

Of course it is. One of the easiest way to win in cedh ATM.

[@vishiousbacon]

If you see lab maniac in thumb nail good chance thassas Oracle is part of it since it's the same win con

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

vishal bachan Yup...and better!

[@pauljimerson8218]

I would say 2 cards and blue blue black is pretty doable

[@GrandpasMagic]

hardened scales does not double the counters though, it just adds an additional counter.

[@corvus15]

Yeah it would end with 17 growth counters instead. In the case he used it effectively doubled it for the most part since it was only going up by one at a time, then the creature would get 9 counters when they were moved onto it.

[@rodrigoleon1313]

Well forgotten ancients allows you to move a counter to and individual creatures so if you have enough creatures you go to 24 with his math. 1 per turn that gets turned to 2 per turn so 8. Then pass these to 8 individual creatures which is 8 more and then 8 from hardened scales. So 8 from ancient and 16 from moving counters 8 +16 = 24

[@KitNeedsCoffee]

Wait... you guys can win without setting up the board for ten turns to be able to copy a firebolt 30 times to one shot someone??

[@jacob9787]

Wait- You can win? I thought I was just supposed to play group hug and suicide with my own infinite fetch recurrence

[@KitNeedsCoffee]

@@jacob9787 Kenrith.. no...

[@Isheian]

Uhhhhh. Najeela and I are just gonna sit in the corner........

[@andrewpani2834]

Approach is super easy in a Varina deck. Cast Approach, swing in with 7 Zombies, recast Approach. All in the same turn.

[@captainshiner42]

Simic Ascendency is just hilarious with The Ozolith.

[@drsatne4730]

Made a massacre girl deck and played revel in riches right before my turn I bounced massacre girl and killed everything then I won at the beginning of my upkeep

[@buddatello]

My favorite wincon is skull clamping my tokens until I get my wincon, just personal preference.

[@EliteDarkOne]

what i got from this is cast Approach, then Consultation, and then watch my playgroup writhe... nice

[@corhydrae3238]

I'd like to mention Biovisionary. I have a Bant-colored deck centered around creating token-copies of creatures. With Parallel Lives/Anointed Procession, populate effects (Full Flowering) or just a simple kicked Rite of Replication, you just win. And it's at the end of your turn, not during the upkeep. I also once had a fun round with Simic Ascendancy where I played the card, managed to get 20 counters on it during that same turn and then activated my Sage of Hours, getting an extra turn and winning on that upkeep.

[@traptbysociety]

Biovisionary is my primary win con for my Riku (Temur) deck

[@marceloquejinho]

Once I was playing with my buddies commander with Planechase. There was a plane (or phenomenum, I can't recall) that basically chaos warp everything. I got a felidar sovereign and then it was my turn

[@unicornshampoo]

I find complaining mercilessly to the point my opponents find me so pathetic, they give up and I win. Who needs a card?

[@Mr_Myst13]

How many games did you play after that??? XD

[@Isheian]

Expropriate?

[@pauljimerson8218]

Sounds like a blue white card

[@waynefeller8824]

Revel in Riches is my easiest wincon in my Korvold deck.

[@funnynameforme4091]

"Would you like to pay for smothering tide?"

[@waynefeller8824]

@@funnynameforme4091 - You betcha! Let me just sac a few Spawn tokens here, with my Dictate of Erebos out, of course!

[@funnynameforme4091]

@@waynefeller8824 sweet I still get treasure from the sacrificing. Oh and what's this? I have Ob nixulus on the battlefield and I destroy a creature making draw two cards and have more smothering tide triggers? Plus more revel triggers?

[@waynefeller8824]

@@funnynameforme4091 - Yay! Win win!

[@Glawkus]

Don’t forget pitiless plunderer

[@oxar050]

Mitch: You have to cast spells to do things in commander Also mitch: 99 lands edh deck, no joke, powerful!

[@tortoise-chan]

8:24 "You have to cast spells to do anything" Enduring Ideal begs to differ

[@dahuntre]

Journey before destination: Helix Pinnacle

[@faerie7dragon]

Felidar Sovereign is one of my favorite creatures of all time. That beast kitten just screams *EPIC*, old Zendikar had amazing creature design.

[@mm234753]

You’re great, I was just looking for win cons for my Grand Arbiter deck.

[@ninjaxenomorph]

I pulled a foil Helix Pinnacle from one of the mystery boosters I opened just before quarantine; it went straight into my Marwyn deck I've slightly modified off of your decklist.

[@ninjaxenomorph]

Also, I will never forge the time I lost to my GF playing Approach of the Second Sun, me sitting on a counter for several turns, and then countering it, only for her to bring it back from her graveyard the turn after.

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

It’s in my Kinnan jank deck. Flash it in with Alchemist’s Refuge on an end step right before your turn with Kinnan and Basalt Monolith and you’ve got some nice razzle dazzle.

[@323Neon]

I like that people guess before seeing whats on the list,wish i had done that lol

[@LucasTheDrgn]

a friend of mine had revel in riches and 11 treasures on board, i coordinated between the three other players to have me cast a white sun's zenith for 0, letting another player tap 7 merfolk to counter it, letting the third player draw 7 cards off verity circle to get something to get rid of revel in riches before their upkeep trigger

[@Thorinox]

Dont forget that all the ones for counters, Doubling Season is always a great one to play with too.

[@luispolanco5966]

If Grand Arbiter Approach of the Second Sun's me one more time we throwing hands.

[@bobby45825]

my buddy plays Grand Arbiter for his commander and wonders why people try to hate him out immediately when he casts him on turn 3 or 4. I'm like "nobody can ignore the tax."

[@samiam5308]

I love it lol I’ve had arbiter out with mesmeric orb and since arbiter discounts Approach to cost six I tap six lands cast approach, mill six cards draw approach cast again and win

[@luispolanco5966]

@@samiam5308 Who hurt you?

[@HeadCannon1776]

Temp with discovery---boundless realms---nyxbloom ancient--- helix pinnicle Nyxbloom ancient---Brovac---traumatize---splended rec--- 40 lands---helix pinnicle

[@ilyaginsburg1888]

Revel in Riches is not meant to stay on the table for long, it is meant to be played as a RESPONSE to a board wipe from another player (you need Vedalken Orrery or Leyline of Anticipation for that, but both cards are great for Commander and may go into any deck). If you play RiR as a response to a board wipe, you automatically gain it and ten Treasures on the table, and your opponents suddenly realize you're going to win on your next upkeep. All you need is to hold your position until that time, and your extra Treasures may provide you a boost :) Plus, you can gain some Treasures prior to playing Revel in Riches with Smoldering Tithe or Shiny Impetus. Helix Pinnacle is always a good backup plan for any deck able to generate a lot of mana - and most Green decks can. The problem is it really can make you a target if you can't win in 1-2 turns, so it should be played only if you're ready to win. Zaxara is a great commander for alternate win conditions. It can easily win with Helix Pinnacle (just one more card needed to untap Zaxara!) or with Simic Ascendancy (a lot of Hydra tokens with counters!!!) You can add Revel in Riches too and play all-defense until your combo appears. I was very happy when I've opened RiR and foil Helix Pinnacle in my Mystery boosters, and I really wonder why they're so cheap?

[@Sleepyfox-j8f]

I'm surprised that he didn't mention doubling season with simic ascendancy, you only need to put 5 +1/+1 counters on something. It doubles the +1/+1 counters to 10 then the growth counters to 20.

[@BlueGriffin20]

Harden scales is good with forgotten ancient, but I wouldn’t exactly call harden scales doubling up. Yes it doubles if I add one +1/+1 counter since it goes to 2, but If I add 2 +1/+1 counters to a creature i’ll get just 3, 3 to 4, etc. You still get value and it will accelerate Simic growth, but all it does is just add one more counter to what’s added.

[@borosman720]

The Boros Legion needs its wincons to be good! GO BOROS! (Better than Pillowforts)

[@Fishcrab]

Pillow forts do suck. My moto is "I don't need removal, I just need a bigger threat than they have". I don't like deathtouch and pillowforts as they stop me from doing smashing face with big creatures.

[@marceloquejinho]

I don't think there is a best win than smacking everyone else to the ground after being mocked the whole game!! ☀️🔥👊

[@Fishcrab]

@@marceloquejinho I haven't done this but killing some9ne by using a 69420 42069 would be cool too. Of course it would be better if you did it in the best colour combination boros. cough actually simic or temur or izzet or four colours without black cough cough

[@marceloquejinho]

@@Fishcrab If you show up with Simic, Izzet, Temur, Blackless, they are not going to make fun of you as you are playing "the weakest color pair" And that is the best part of winning with Boros :p

[@jacobjensen7704]

Since when was turning creatures sideways a back wincon? Even if you don't like turning creatures sideways, Wizards has been very kind to Boros in recent years in giving it other things to do besides attack. You can burn people out with Feather. You can go eggs combo with Gerrard. You can go infinite mana + outlet with Zirda. You can use underworld breach plus a million other things that accidentally combo with that card. Boros is great at attacking to kill, but Wizards has slowly been giving us more options.

[@Patraquashe]

During BFZ you still had Mastery of the Unseen in Standard. I ran a deck with Felidar Sovereign and Mastery to great effect. You could regularly win with the trigger since you could flip him and get the trigger whenever you wanted / needed it. Was pretty fun.

[@ShokushuKaijuu]

I wish elf mom got mentioned more when they talk about infinite mana, I rock helix pinnacle in my deck and I pretty much always trigger it with her combo with umbral mantle

[@lordelon9955]

I had pulled a Helix Pinnacle and Rhys the Redeemed in a mystery booster box. I had always wanted to build a Rhys deck but knew how powerful it could be with Elf tribal and our playgroup is more casual so I never pulled the trigger and bough the card. I ended up putting Helix Pinnacle as my win con and actually won with it. The whole table never even knew about the card (neither did i) and it was amazing

[@traptbysociety]

Approach of the Second Sun + Narset's Reversal is a good delivery system. Though my favourite and most successful is Biovisionary. Triggers at End Step, so cast it and Rite of Replicate with kicker. Go to End Step and win. Takes 12 mana total in Blue/Green, which is very easy to get.

[@fsfreturns5242]

Nice to see Oloro making an appearence here. His pre-con deck has quite a number of good cards like Toxic Deluge, but its prototype "eminence" ability is a dubious one since it either forces opponents to focus you to take you down, or use alternate win conditions if they can't beat you down.

[@arbopajur1888]

Commentary has improved Nice!

[@JakeAce13]

I would love to see an episode on banned/Silver-bordered win-cons. I‘m not really invested into Un-sets and I Imagine there are some quite funny and/or ridiculous wincons available in those. Thanks for the content, really enjoying it!

[@rhogar975]

I just realized a really powerful combo. Body of study + simic ascendancy. Body of study creates a 0/0 token w/ +1/+1 counters equal to the number of cards currently in your deck...

[@traxcanonch.2421]

The last win condition was my first commander deck strategy!

[@JagBagg]

Daily Commander's Quaters content is life

[@zachdye2921]

I actually run alot of these in some of my decks. Smothering tithe+revel the only downside is the table is mad at you. Animar+ the ozolith+ simic ascendancy+ a bunch of chump low cost creatures, the ozolith is there in case of a board wipe you can play animar again after, or another creature, and put those counters back with the ozolith, and add more counters to Ascendancy. Nyxbloom ancient/Kinnan Bonder guy+ Basalt monolyth+ Helix pinacle, Play this on opponents end step before your next turn. The easiest win condition out of all of this is Chulane+ Lab man/ Jace+ leveler, you play lab man/Jace and then Leveler and automatically draw from chulane and win automatically and if you have a Grand abolisher/ Teferi, time raveler you cannot be stopped.

[@edpaulomcdonnell-velasquez970]

Love your vids man! You are a super influential youtuber in my playgroup!

[@HRamclav]

In auto-mill win condition there is also the black enchantment "Mortal Combat" who is brutal on Lazav the multifarious EDH

[@dsproductions19]

Helix Pinnacle is in my Kruphix deck, almost exclusively as a way to dump my stored mana if Kruphix gets removed. It's not like I built my deck around Helix, but it just happens to synergize well with my deck. I can end up generating 100 mana pretty easily, even though I have no infinite mana combos in the deck (only ramp).

[@capt.cheesecake6875]

For Simic Ascendancy it really helps as well if you have a Managorger Hydra or, in my opinion even better, if you have a Kalonian Hydra (that doubles its +1/+1 counters when it attacks) or Primordial Hydra that you just pay 10 into the X and by your next upkeep, you resolve first the hydra, then the ascendancy and bam, you win!

[@CrimsonHiroX07]

Maze's End. When land destruction is frowned upon and land ramp so easy to do.

[@christhompson8003]

Revel in riches helped my little lad dominate a game at our local shop - not because he got the treasures but because the player whos turn was just before his was going to do a board wipe but then realised what would happen and so had to counter their own spell, my lad on his turn then pumped all his mana into a X cost deal X damage spell that knocked out 2 of 3 players as well as giving him the treasures. Basically if it hadn't been for revel they guy would have still had the counter spell.

[@trevoris18]

I love helix pinnacle in my Omnath the Locus of Mana deck. It's great to have something to dump your floating mana into Omnath gets removed and you can't flash him back into play in time.

[@GatheringTheMagicYT]

Yaaaaas Helix Pinnacle is currently my favourite card to use in my Simic commander deck. Love a shroudy equipment 😍

[@nateinthenorth1999]

I have dropped Revel in my Teysa deck and convinced the table that I would sacrifice treasures to below ten before I won. It's more fun that way.

[@SneakySquid1263]

I have a Darksteel reactor win con in my Vorel of the hull clade deck, it gets a counter at the beginning of your upkeep. if it has 20 counters you win the game. it doesn't have to be in your upkeep! yay, so vorel van double these counters turn 5 is gonna be 2 counters turn 6 is gonna be 6 counters turn 7 is going to be 14 and you basically win at turn 8 without any untap spell and if you have the reactor in your hand

[@MintyMagicMTG]

Approach works great with Fact or Fiction, especially in Zedruu. You basically get it back the next turn unless something tragic happens

[@mikelong2756]

Revival/Revenge is another budget life doubler at 6 Mana. Now I'm thinking about making a simic ascendency deck on arena lol. I've did it before, but it wasn't as good a few sets back without all the options now. Put a counter on incubation druid then taps for 5 Mana, 4 pelt collector, 4 growth chamber guardian, 3 evolution sage, 4 Nissas, 3 biogenic ooze, 2-3 leyline of abundance🤔 rize of vhitu ghazi puts 9 +1+1 counters on a land for 5 Mana as well

[@nickbalmes6640]

Approach of the Second Sun for me. One of my first ever PR Foil cards I got and it is still my best alternate win condition in my Arcades deck :)

[@EvilEric-Mythicult]

To add onto Simic Ascendency, cast Planewide Celebration. Proliferate 4 times.

[@bolaxie]

Epic Struggle (2GG Enchantment from Judgement). Easy wincon for critical mass of creatures like token-based strategies or elves.

[@AidanWR]

I have a deck with most of these. A life gain/drain deck with Felidar and Test, an enchantress draw deck with Lab Man and Lab Jace, and I'm going to be making a mana doubler helix pinnacle deck. Although, I will literally never run Approach

[@happybrain2674]

aproach of the secondsun is also easyer to put in if you copy that spell, cause the card says: if he was cast from your hand you win, doesnt matter if the copy doesnt... oh and your copy will allways go first xD

[@joshlawson8603]

I play Revel in Riches in a deck full of wraths, with creatures like Ashen Rider. It also has Felidar Sovereign in it...now I need to get the other alt win cons in it.

[@raulcontreras8297]

I have an Orzhov Pillow Foer deck with Revel in Riches, Smothering Tithe and Approach of the Second Sun. Fun.

[@blindcommander]

My fav combo win win is in my Obosh deck that I call "Bloody Merchant". Get Obosh out, use Epicure of Blood, followed by Gray Merchant.

[@Alkhemia8]

I use Simic Ascendency in my Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy deck as just a fun instant win after getting infinite mana

[@GunbladeKnight]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Approach of the Second Sun and Narset's Reversal combo.

[@MoriRaineMatsuko]

I had a friend who played Revel in Riches on his turn, it then moved to another friend's turn and didn't realize he played that and played a board wipe to clear his field. I told them "Are you sure you want to do this?" They said yes and the first friend won the game on his turn since I had no way to stop it.

[@Deathmperor]

Thanks Simic ascendancy is going in my ezuri claw of progress 👍

[@jake5246]

Hey! Love the Saints hat, Mitch. I have the same one!

[@unything2696]

A new answer to the question, which is the weakest additional colour? So not mono-white, but instead any (combination of) colour(s) + the colour in question. Sure it's a way more complex question. But e.g. in my decks, red is often just 3 or 4 cards. These cards do certain jobs especially well, but you have to fix one additional colour just for that.

[@STEMpunk28]

I once beat a dude that had a Simic Ascendancy with 36 counters in Arena (Cascade). It felt so goooood

[@MaxSpider2000]

Can you cast Beacon of Immortality as a response to the life check for the win con at the beginning of the upkeep?

[@frankbarbee3212]

Why does Zaxara not get mentioned during infinite mana combos? Is it because it's a creature or is there something I'm just doing wrong by using mine as an infinite mana source.

[@HeadCannon1776]

Coat of arms---thrumming stone---relentless rats---w/ anger in graveyard Cast triumph of the hoards Gets countered follow up with Gary Gets countered alter of dimentia Friends don't let friends play with counters.

[@HPSKnight]

no mechanized production?

[@PocoSalvaje]

I’ve won one game with Simic Ascendency. It’s in my Pir/Toothy deck, and if I do much as look at it it gets counters lol. Glad that it requires nothing but my commander to make viable, but if I have hardened scales out it only requires 4 triggers and it’s set. I know it doesn’t work in competitive and I bum hard when it’s destroyed but might protect other enchantments. It requires action.

[@justchillin5031]

My favorite alt win con is phenax in a counters matter deck, they never see it coming lol

[@baptisttrest2429]

Completely off topic but would the token seance produces activate a pandamonium enchantment?

[@BeeBeeJeebies]

I love simic ascendancy! It's a nice side win con of my experiment kraj deck

[@HeadCannon1776]

Tempt into boundless, activate feldon's cane, Float all Mana, cycle decree, play splendid rec, cast leveler, activate elixir of immortality, rinse and repeat Play at cEDH table, tell them your not there to win.

[@HeadCannon1776]

Infinite blue Mana, deadeye soul bonded to agent. Call the deck "slow and low"

[@AnikaJarlsdottr]

Helix Pinnacle in an Omnath Locus of Mana Deck... just store up your mana and then right before your turn put 100 counters onto it and bam. one of the guys in my old play group had a deck that was Omnath Locus of Mana, 98 Forests and elfhame sanctuary. it did unnervingly well, even against decks with mass land destruction. it wouldnt have been too hard for him to take out a forest and put HP in xD maybe even generated horizons too

[@raphaeldean5801]

Helix Pinnacle is my jam!!! It's great in my selvala stax deck whether the stax is working or not! Just so solid of a wincon

[@jacobjensen7704]

Mitch! Thanks for the video! Have you considered (or are you planning on) doing a $50 deck tech for Winota, Joiner of Forces? She seems like a commander that could be really strong on a budget!

[@MageMinionsOP]

Pretty sure Hardened Scales wont add a second growth counter since it replaces the 1 counter with 2/. It's still one instance, but I could be wrong

[@TheTrueDragonLord]

One I’m curious on your opinions on is mazes end, not seen it on either list

[@alexanderpavlov2558]

Mitch should do a treasure tribal deck.

[@elliotthood1719]

How about korvold?

[@FelixUchiha]

Korvold doesn't work because of the white treasure must have enchantment

[@marceloquejinho]

Y e s. I've been trying an Akiri+Silas list, it is fun

[@silenceburns1336]

Korvold works fine. I've drawn 60 cards deep off Dockside Extortionist and Brass's Bounty in 1 turn (with token doublers). Smothering Tithe wouldn't add much more that the other red and black treasure makers that can be dropped in.

[@marceloquejinho]

@@silenceburns1336 Korvold is a little bit too strong to my taste but thanks for the input!!

[@jonarvaez8232]

I play jace and lab man in 3 decks. I just really love drawing my deck.

[@TheAwesomeCarlos1]

If anyone is looking for a deck revolving around these win conditions Check out my latest video! Its a deck tech dedicated to Revel in RIches, hellkite Tyrant and MEchanized production

[@AlexanderSzymanski]

Love the saints hat Mitch

[@ethiancortes6213]

fun fact! simic ascendancy it´s 1 of the best (and out of nowhere) win condition in kumena tribal EDH. you welcome... ;)

[@HeadCannon1776]

Jihora's familiar, etherium sculpture, foundry inspector, all 5 artifact lands on Field then cast mycosyth golem, mycosyth lattice, darksteel forge, unwinding clock, niv's disc... Show your play group you really care.

[@chromium3707]

The best deck I've ever made and is funny when I win is my mazes is the world. It runs 77 lands and most utility. It uses tunnel vision or hermit druid to dump most if not all your library to the graveyard and uses splendid reclamation to get all the lands back. Then stall with counterspells or glacial chasm to stop board whips and maybe even a Teferi's Protection to stop spot removal. It runs a lot of extra land plays and land recursion. Oh and because the deck runs almost all lands you'll be board whipping ever turn. Then win comes out of nowhere and the combo takes a lot of mana to get off without a hitch, but by now I think you'll have enough of it.

[@LittleMushroomGuy]

Revel in riches is super easy to get with the Treasure Chest and Smaug Smaug creates 14 treasure, treasure chest creates 5

[@typhlocf5062]

Approach of the second sun + lich's mastery is the best

[@Snaglbeest]

Emergence Zone is a budget one time Orrery that makes many of these wins easier.

[@chrismarsh1890]

Easiest alternative win condition is the alternative loss condition. Run all the pacts, a sundial of the infinite and "end the turn" effects. Once you get out your enchantment that copies spells for all players, you play as many pacts as you need to force everyone else to lose on their upkeep. If yours comes first, just sundial the pact effect away.

[@CaptEmo-lb5ix]

Would you be ok with a home made card : Delight in gold remove the win condition and drop one mana off cost

[@Rmkn91]

Revel in Riches... i too wish it didn't have that alternative wincon, because i've pulled 3 in a ixalan box

[@John_Smith_Dumfugg]

I've always considered felidar sovereign a "practical loss" card, or "losing with bragging rights" . What happens when you play felidar sovereign? Everybody else at the table says "cool, you are now out of the game, we'll keep on playing for second place, congrats" What happens when you lose? Same thing. "Cool, you're out of the game, we'll keep playing for first place, better luck next time" Practically the same thing. It's losing with bragging rights.

[@rebeccastewart6963]

Simic Ascendancy + Doubling Season in Pir & Toothy

[@jayslay6782]

Helix pinnacle is in my omnath locus of mana deck it’s sooooooo good I have never lost after playing that card