The Echelon Briefing: Humanity’s Final Years Explored | The Walking Dead Universe Lore

Today I take you through what we learned during the Echelon Briefing in The Ones Who Live finale, as well as theorize on what we could see in the future of The Walking Dead franchise.
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0:00 - Intro
0:50 - The Echelon Briefing
7:04 - The Fall of the Frontliners
7:51 - Humanities Extinction
9:05 - Pouvoir Du Vivant Theory
12:00 - Ending Questions
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[@_Devil]

Just me here, but it makes zero sense to kill all *people* they come across. If Humanity truly is in such a dire state that we only had a decade left as a species, wouldn't it make sense to unite every community out there to stop the Walker Threat? If you delete every city out there to where there's only one, then there'll be no one left to help Philly if one of those Million Walker Hordes comes their way

[@BIGDZ8346]

Nope not just you the whole thing made no sense and was super disappointing they claim 2 things are a major threat zombies in the millions. Yea not like we see them living right below the humans in dead city or that we saw how whispers were controlling hords in the 100,000s. Also CRM has helicopters and bombs and nows diversion targets. The other thing they said is food. Ignoring the fact we saw never saw this as a major problem in any series fear groups commonwealth, the CRM themselves world beyond etc. But with this thinking they would use all their resources to launch a superfarm, but nothing of such was planned. If they made these then the world would have far far more food than it would need due to the fact they could use pre apocalypse methods to make food for millions despite there probobly only being a million or 2 people alive in North America. The most lacking resource will be people to do the work, people they wpuld have actively been killing and thus killing the human race not saving it. Whole thing was massively stupid and disappointing.

[@stinkydinkyps3]

Both of you make really good points. I agree

[@MikeLewis1964]

Me too. makes total sense.

[@literallyinsanelycool28]

@@BIGDZ8346the whisperer horde was only around 1000-2000 lol

[@matthewsmith7802]

​@literallyinsanelycool28 no I can't rmemeber but she said 100k, I'm pretty sure.

[@Spetsnaz690]

I just hate how Major General Beale was hyped up since WB S1 to be a big top level evil boss or the ultimate villain but he got defeated so easily in just one episode. That's just so unfair. Beale and frontliners arc should have been explored further.

[@dreisiglps2451]

Most likely, because there are now too many customers and shareholders nowadays without crititical thinking who demand things to be done as fast as possible which results in a loss of quality. The production of TWD: TOWL and other spin offs and maybe the main series for example should have been longer.

[@jamespaul6315]

It just seemed so silly he trust rick who cut off his arm to get away. Like he suddenly changed. And michonne just going around a military base where nothing important is guarded particularly well

[@askhim30]

You misunderestimate the power of lOvE

[@dreisiglps2451]

@@askhim30 What is that? Love?

[@chardaskie]

They are all Bs

[@anangryblooddk7966]

The 14 year thing just seems like it wad a way to scare people. That and these dudes casually killing 150k survivors doesn't really help that projection.

[@timgersh6787]

Look survival is hard, the BC pop was lower because everybody had to fill every roll. The crm probably has fuel for 14 years on top and after than maybe 3 months getting by before starving or an opt out

[@SeraphimRoad]

Laughs in the rest of the World. Other communities around the world exist, as shown in Daryl Dixon. And due to factors like pre-existing infrastructure, climate and geography, applied strategy of survival and resource management, those communities thrived. Biel was lying and was actually too afraid of rival powers conquering them first

[@cristi1145]

@@timgersh6787doesn’t really make sense. They have sustainable power and they can probably access any oil drilling infrastructure still intact with all their personnel and expertise. Refineries aswell. I mean a couple idiots had oil refineries running in FTWD, I don’t see how the CRM couldn’t do it.

[@RedSpiderA7X]

Probably extends life by 10 years idk but that's not killing for survival or adapting it's genocide and murder that's not justified also humanity will always find a way without hurting each other

[@Lumistrocity]

​@@SeraphimRoad castles be like

[@Ghostsfan420]

Beale got the Snoke treatment

[@dragerdet]

That could be a body double Rick killed

[@tdl1315]

This thing of "humanity only has 14 years to live" makes no sense. Are you seriously telling me that the hordes are growing? How? I mean, every single survivor who is still alive has to have killed at least 30+ walkers over the years and every survivor who dies will, at most, add 1 extra walker to the hordes AND walkers die of natural causes all the time. Meanwhile human colonies have been growing stronger and more numerous the starvation think also makes no sense... Human know how to farm, we have been doing it since we started building houses out of mud and sticks... Also how can the projectiom of "humanity will be over in 14 years" be accurate if they dont have info on how survivors are doing around the globe? How about brazil? How about russia? How about China? How about Australia?

[@CM-eq1ts]

Now I haven’t watched the walking dead (only the first season and not the others) won’t the walkers decompose? Like they are walking corpses exposed to the sun which would accelerate the rate at which they’ll turn into bones?

[@trsgaming1479]

@@CM-eq1tsI think it may have been confirmed (maybe not). But I’ve heard the virus somehow slows the decay or prevents it in some way

[@cristi1145]

@@CM-eq1tswhile they don’t directly fully decay we see lots of them stuck in trees, mud, swamp, dismembered or generally not being able to move. I would assume millions of them are stuck and no longer pose a huge threat.

[@tdl1315]

@@CM-eq1ts the virus slows the rate in which they decay but they do still decay and that is not to mention the other natural ways they can die. We see walkers walking off clifs, walking into pointy sticks and killing themselves, bashing their own heads against walls with such force their heads explode, etc. There is no way, in my mind, that their numbers are still increasing this far into the apocalipse

[@calzerkid2577]

The hordes are growing as in smaller hordes are joining up with each other. The main problem for humanity was the limited infrastructure and resources along with the possible diseases these isolated groups would transmit. All of these things would combine to weaken humanity and make such hordes much much harder to actually overcome

[@despain8726]

I can’t believe they missed the perfect opportunity to just call themselves the Triumvirate

[@rich925cal1]

the what…?

[@BlitzinMackGaming]

​@@rich925cal1a group of three men holding power

[@robertguildford4793]

The writers arent that educated my bro

[@tetraxis3011]

@@BlitzinMackGamingPlus it’s sounds super badass.

[@luyaoxie2261]

Nah that’s a Hoi4 Tno reference

[@N7-WAR-HOUND]

I mean the national guard fought the military trying to exterminate the civilians population and then decided to turn into that. We would’ve at least like to see more concrete reasons why they would become the big bads

[@alexanders2580]

Yeah it really bothered me that that was the route they took with this shows story. The whole aspect that interested me was the CRM, and CR in general, Rick and Michonne were a side story to me in the larger narrative. Super disappointing, but oh well. I don't see how they carry on with a second season of this show without it just turning into Season 2 of the original series again.

[@N7-WAR-HOUND]

@@alexanders2580 can’t complain to much I guess. We did get some epic visuals and Rick is always bad ass

[@mycelia_ow]

@@alexanders2580 Instead of World Beyond, we should have gotten a full CRM exclusive show focusing on their founding, on Jadis, then lead into the Rick show which pays off that show. Then instead of 6 episodes, it's 10 and Rick's plans for the CRM culminate in the last episodes, getting a much better ending and series.

[@ge2719]

Because the overpaid writers wrote that that is what happened. So thats what happened. Seriosuly, the making offs of these shows is hilarious, watching the people who created this crap try to explain how amazing their bland AF stories are.

[@Maldr.]

It's really kind of insane and a bit disappointing that this show just rehashed the ending of World Beyond... Oh, the CRM is about to mobilze and destroy Portland? Lets destroy their arsenal. Then, the exact same thing occurs in TOWL. The kids in WB surely would have made Portland aware of what the CRM was up to so it would have been interesting to see how a prepared Portland would fend off their attack all while the CRM would be unaware of them knowing. Idk, i still enjoyed the show, but the culmination we got from all these years of CRM plotlines was just odd to say the least.

[@mycelia_ow]

I found the ending very contrived, they messed up big time. Just about every new live-action show I've watched in the past few years has had disappointing and rushed endings. I'm sure the move to 4-6 episode season runtimes has nothing to with it..... surely.....

[@Spetsnaz690]

This series still has so much scope. I thought CRM would be the final arc in this franchise and after the season 2 of spinoffs and the great reunion, the franchise would be done and dusted. But variants, 500 year plan and extinction can expand the scope even further.

[@wesleybutler1868]

My personal head cannon right now is that CR outreach that we see in the final show of TOWL is what facilitates the rise of communities like New Babylon and that random bar in Dead City (with seemingly ample electricity). It also seems to me that Beale was probably wrong about the starvation thing as logically, if you support more communities across the continent, they can in turn farm more and reduce overall food insecurity, with the CR in charge of distribution logistics. Walkers, though, with variants and being vectors for other diseases, would still be the existential threat Beale described.

[@itslenderman9858]

Don't forget that in Tales of The Walking Dead, one episode takes place 35 years in the future, supposedly. We still see that people are around, so is that just not canon anymore, or is Beale's projection he got wrong? The dead still exist though. It would explain why the Headhunter's were trying to move into the area that the guy was trying to study.

[@GraveyardMaiden]

Honestly I think the 14 years thing is a lie

[@vatsetis]

The "science" behind the echelon briefing seems like the "science" behind Malthus work about population. Is not a prediction of the future but rather the projection of an idiology into the future... and therefore a call for action (against the poor and the unfit in both cases). Very informative video, its incredible how the Series (+ spin offs) and the source material (comic) have diverge to the point of having absolutely no thematic connection.

[@TheUballe]

Sounds like the same kind of "Science" that told us to "Stay Home and Save Lives" during the "Pandemic of the Unvaccinated"! 😂😂😂😂

[@DustyyBoi]

​@@TheUballedifference is that one is "science" and the other is actual science

[@vatsetis]

@@DustyyBoi self isolation (or in small groups) from diseases has been practiced since the middle ages. Read the "Decameron" for instance.

[@joseph-vw1wm]

@@TheUballe What are you yappin about billy bob

[@TheUballe]

@@DustyyBoi like the science that said you had to wear a mask at all times... except when eating or drinking at a restaurant 🤔 😅 🙃 🙄

[@vhrane7360]

I’ve been loving your content on TWD and its followings. Also you have a really nice voice and it brings me comfort throughout the day

[@chrisbeach423]

I really think Scott Gimple, and everyone else thought this scene would be very important to the fans but the fans just overlooked it and consider the CRM and general beale to be another rushed storyline. I think we will get a season two years down the road with everyone reunited. And the only enemy will be the variant walkers. Seeing the original group back together, fighting these new crazy running walkers, will be fun television

[@jamespaul6315]

It would be way more interesting if Beal was right and that resources would die out and we would be extinct if things continued. It would add a lot of moral grey. Of course TWD went the easy route and didnt actually keep up with interesting lore.

[@dark36souls]

I would love to see the variant Walker being the solution to eliminate the normal walkers, although they could become a problem if they evolved and were like the new threat and all the communities had to join efforts to fight them off.

[@tuff3jay]

Let them fight 😂

[@harryvass9018]

reminds me of that Simpsons joke where they have an infestation of snakes and they talk about using killer Gorillas to wipe out the problem only for Lisa to say "well then now we have killer Gorillas instead. you traded one problem for another."

[@jamesb2291]

​@harryvass9018 that's the beautiful part. Come winter the gorillas simply freeze to death

[@robertarntson8980]

The 14 year projection was the conjecture of a madman. We've already seen in TWB that anyone who disagrees with Biel gets the axe, so therefore he ended up surrounded by yes men. I wouldn't put any salt it it and I think this show is where that ends. My guess for the future: Pouvoir is the new big bad, and she is working to make the variant juice airborne. Through the main characters trying to help Daryl, the new CRM comes into conflict with her and overthrows her. With her science and their resources (and in a twist of irony) they gas the dead and cause them to destroy each other. From there the CRM does help rebuild humanity, in the exact opposite manner that Biel had planned.

[@chisongheng3155]

What bother me the most is the CRM itself like we know they came from the Pennsylvanian national guard who fought the us military to save Philadelphia and why would they turn to killing civilians like the military too

[@BadLuckLuke]

Really like those walking dead tributes you make, keep up the great work!!! ✔️

[@ian7064]

I understand that rate of decay of the walkers is slowed down but I would think that most of the earliest walkers would just collapse over the next 10 years given we've seen the earliest gen 1 walkers get more and more decrepit over the universe's timeline. Also, I may have missed something during world beyond bc it was boring but I thought that the chlorine gas actually slowed the rate of a person turning to a walker and by extension, could slow rate of decay? If that was the case, it was a stupid idea by the CRM to use it on the large colonies and tens of thousands of more walkers into the world.

[@MatthewMuhammad]

Elton theorized that humanity probably only had about 15 years left in season 1 of World Beyond.

[@timothyschools5376]

Bro you gave me so much to think about in this one. You're killin it dude keep it up

[@dixieboyz1]

Would’ve been a better ending if Beale survived and the CRC viewed it as an attack instead of the end we got

[@dixieboyz1]

Or even if Thorne survived and took his spot. That could be better maybe

[@peterwong8028]

Well don't forget Beale has a son who can possibly become an issue in the future.

[@kickbackdraco6431]

@@dixieboyz1I think Thorne alive

[@mycelia_ow]

@@peterwong8028 Right, just like the commonwealth's leader's son was an issue 😂 they best not touch this one, Scott will ruin the character.

[@CALEB-wc5tb]

Also Isabelle from Fear the Walking Dead seemed to have gotten the briefing. She mentioned some of it to Althea kinda.

[@lastnightslipstick]

This is Excellent, Subscriber for Life🙌💎

[@LibertyTalk76]

Beal like all tyrants was using FEAR to justify his megalomania and grasp on power.

[@apocolex93]

Great WD content bro 👍 Shame about the CRM but I’m sure there’s still a few left out there. Beale had a son! He may have a bone to pick with Rick.

[@the_neo_crusader]

Another great video TY

[@johncap6495]

I been so intrigued since Season 2 when Rick killed Dave in the bar. Also I live in Philadelphia. Dave said Philly fell faster then everywhere. Due to the Philly being the heart of the opiate epidemic in real life that probably would happen due to all the deaths. But Dave lied about Philly. He knew about Nebraska being a safe haven. He said islands got survivors through military which padre did. I always thought he was a spy. He even knew Fort Benning was destroyed confirmed by Mitch the guy with the tank with the Governor. I loved the series and love that Ricks back but going forward now he’s who I wanna see at the center of the spin-offs. Beale was wasted and CRM was beaten too fast. So now main villains are a lady in France and NYC? Plus we never saw a fresh walker without those darts come back super strong like when the scientist died in world beyond unless he used that dart to kill her. Lastly as great as Andrew Lincoln acting is. Even he couldn’t save the last scene. RJ there was zero emotion. It just makes you wish Carl didn’t die. 3 episodes in before we even knew what we grew to love when Rick found Lori Carl and Shane you felt the emotion. Back most people disliked Lori and Carl myself included but you could feel the bond they had at episode 3 so no him just meeting RJ isn’t validated. Carl should be there with Judith still bottom line. I just hope we still get more Rick moving forward and maybe Beales son takes what left of CRM for the final battle. Cause they are planning a final end game at some point.

[@daliretoncho]

Subbed. great content! love TWD

[@AlfieVsLion]

Love your content brother , looking forward to watching you blow up ✌️🇮🇪

[@teresarothaar6225]

The 14-year prediction reminded me of the Star Trek DS9 episode where the savants told Sisko that the Federation had zero chance of winning the Dominion War. They claimed the Federation had to surrender, and sacrifice who knows how many worlds and species, because the alternative was allegedly worse. Sisko, like Rick, refused to accept that. The savants were wrong, and so was the CRM.

[@Ivo-ic1qf]

Video idea: Exploring in debts the post credit scene in WB and what could this mean for the future of Daryl Dixon, Europe and TWDU as a whole. Could that scene be in the future of everything TWD related? Could've they shown us what's going to happen to France in the future? Or even with the entire world? Is everyone infected with a new mutated variant of the virus at that point, so even if you die normally you turn into what we saw in WB?

[@JoshCallon_98]

Also another plot is Mason Beale could become the CRM new leader and try and take it by force, also the CRM Sleeper Agents too

[@shenanigameshd9461]

Tbh I’m not mad at the CRM being under Ricks control, I like the idea of the Walkers becoming the main threat again, seeing everyone team up to fight Against the massive hordes with their new found equipment

[@BIGDZ8346]

I like your last theory with variants of using them to fight other dead. It would make Eugenes cure literally true "Fire with fire"

[@johncap6495]

Your doing great brother

[@h347h]

Feel like the series did a season 8 of GoT here.

[@kingdevin_]

I have to say that General Beale was very underutilized and seemed to be a way bigger threat then The Ones Who Live made him out to be. I would have preferred that a cliffhanger happened with either Throne or even Beale surviving to build a resistance of sorts against the city and Rick but the ending we got wasn’t too bad. I’m pretty sure there are still some CRM out there that believe in Beale but are in hiding even tho most of the higher ups died when Rick and Michonne destroyed the gas. I’m very curious about this “500 year plan” and 14 year deadline as well. I love that nod to Game Theory btw :) Everyone of your explanations gets better and better

[@Executive_chicken_gentleman]

Towl is a 7/10 fr it could have been fantastic but the ending was also just so lackluster

[@23SquareHead]

I think the whole 14 years left thing is just supposed to show the pessimistic view of the CRM. Everyone who follows in their ideals is made to think they are the only way, something we have seen rick fight many times, even Shane thought his way was the only way, but the thing about Rick is he knows that nobody's one way works, he tried to do that and it almost destroyed the group so they found the prison and started working together, Rick seperated himself from leadership and tried to be a farmer but that didnt work either he needs to be the one who lets other people find their way and when someone comes in like negan to impose their way he has to be the one to stop them.

[@edbouhl3100]

General Beal’s plan has strong echos of the ‘Redeker Plan’ from the book version of ‘World War Z’. Which was the correct approach for survival in that universe. It’s possible that Beal is spot on. Disclosure: I stopped actively watching the Walking Dead shows back when Negan appeared but I check in time to time on KZbin to see where the story has gone.

[@ArqAngilberto]

That’s because when you are stretching out a franchise the way they do over the years, you will get these types of villains, that’s why Kirkman wrapped up the comics after Rick’s death.

[@poetscane8492]

Thank you. You've made my favorite post The Ones Who Live, finale review. Even though it's not merely/primarily that. I'm astounded how under-appreciated the doomsday clock Beale set the 14 year timer off, has been. I think it's ridiculous as well how people think Beale was lying. It'd make no sense like you pointed out. I think the Walkers and the near-extinction of humanity is definitely the biggest threat now. I like your theory that the synthetic "cohorts" are to fight off the Walkers. I'm wondering where the post-World Beyond-scene Rager(s) come into play. It would be cool if the synthetic Rager injection mutated into a spreadable Rager-turning form of the virus without the need of an injection eventually. But, it's been implied that Dr. Jenner knew about the Rager cohort in France from the start. I too thought about how interesting this doomsday clock makes Dead City look. I saw it in a contrasting way to you though. It gave it a more ominous, dark tone in light of their potential extinction. Taking place a few years later, many say 2029, that puts it at around 7-8 years left until extinction. Look at their population. Walkers outnumber "non-necrotics" about 9 to 1. They live on roofs while the streets are essentially a sea of the dead. Yes, New York was a very densely populated city, where the virus can create somewhat such an environment. But, is it possible they had the extinction in mind, and this is a look into the progression of Beale's projection? It makes New York the perfect archetype for the doom Beale revealed.

[@DrekiBerserkr]

Once again, everything seems rushed. It would have been cool to see Rick's survivors, Negan's new Saviors, and Maggie's Bricks fight the CRM. The three groups struggle and then Daryl shows up and saves the day.

[@brianachim2670]

I knew it was the Extinction plan 😌

[@aidenluv_]

this theory reminds me of when eugene lied about the cure being fighting “fire with fire” - walkers on walkers in the context of this theort

[@JACCO20082012]

This ending reminds me of the last Resident Evil film. Suddenly there is a 6 hour countdown until every human on the whole planet is wiped out and now we gotta go kill the 1000s of them that are hiding in underground cryo bunkers because they're evil. But if we release this airborne anti virus with 10 seconds to spare it'll stop every zombie everywhere instantly and now the human race survives. wut.

[@binnsi2251]

Idk if the 14 year prediction has much details, but the 14 year prediction could be 10 years of adapting and seeming rebuilding of society with underlying growing complacency resulting in a second downfall of society leading to a final 4 years of going extinct.

[@B-zk9bt]

If Op. Cobalt never happened, then I’m pretty sure humanity wouldn’t be in the position the C.R.M claimed it to be in. Because, even in the early days of the outbreak there were still so many people. Hell, most of Mexico City survived, L.A’s population was still high.

[@timgersh6787]

Look its all absurd, likely the tech advantage of the crm will be over and when its gone you fight every local negan for supplies. Humanity is just poetic

[@xuburbia3515]

I feel like, once the big bad threat of the story is dealt with the show should just.. end? There could be more story to tell, but anything after the great big evil is dealt with would seem like an add on. I think Rick meeting his kids is a great overall ending for twd, and like, in the comics, even though there is no crm, the ending there is very final, and something like that (honestly a time jump/happy ever after for the show would be awesome) is much needed imo

[@dakotabarber6648]

Omg it’s Jon Locke! Don’t tell him what he can’t do!!!

[@HazeyInsanity]

They can still somewhat salvage this series if thorne survives and is able to return the crm to its villain plan

[@lBELLACOl]

I think it was very sped up in the finale, but why does everyone think that the CRM is over. There will always be somone who shares the vision from Beale. That’s not the end of the

[@graboidfan31]

Pretty sure we're meant to understand Beale is wrong about the way he's going about things and even his belief that 14 years was the end was likely wrong.

[@harryvass9018]

Also I just watched Invincible I felt like asking do you think you'll do a video about the Walking Dead in other media and shows? Invincible and the Walking Dead have a lot of ties.

[@dixieboyz1]

On the variant note I would like to see some ‘alpha’ variants that basically are like the whispers but actually dead

[@TioJones-lm1zi]

Intelligent walkers who can talk a mix of the White Walkers and Army of the Dead

[@Jay-eu8uc]

TY SWELL FOR PRESIDENT!

[@Spygon]

I think it isnt "Humanity" but it was the Allaince of Three. As most of CRM see the Alliance of Three as the "golden hope" for humanity i think the 14 years estimation is how long the AOT could function without collapsing

[@ClassicHarleyQuinn]

They should have done a season 12 and just have Beale go through with the plan and just have everyone (French group from the Daryl show, Negan's new group etc) vs the CRM.

[@murphycat5089]

Its being hinted that the hordes are all becoming variants and they will become almost unstoppable as a result. We all know that fast zombies are far scarier than slow ones.

[@detritusofseattle]

"Things should be looking much worse for humanity" Assuming they were correct, anyway. The thing about predictions of the future is that they aren't always accurate. Quite often there are variables that cannot be accounted for. For example, yeah, the walker hordes are a million strong in some cases, but how often do those hordes actually reach occupied settlements? Especially the smaller ones? Moreover, walkers aren't particularly bright, for the most part. A well fortified location can withstand millions of them quite easily. I doubt they'd be capable of taking, for example, a medieval castle. The stone walls were quite excellent at keeping humongous armies out of cities up until things like canons made quick work of them. Getting around those walls or tearing them down took some ingenuity. Siege equipment, that sort of thing. I severely doubt a bunch of dumb walkers mindlessly clawing at it would get through. That's plenty of time to take them out. And not necessarily even with headshots. Taking out their legs is good enough. A guy in hazmat outfitted, bite proof armor can go around poking their heads with a sharp stick once they're no longer able to move. Besides that, with proper measures, humans could divert these hordes, divide them, and thin their numbers before they even get to the point of having to withstand a protracted siege. Diseases are a problem, but they're unlikely to spread fast enough to off everyone. In fact, it's much more likely that people will develop immunities to some of these plagues as time goes on. It's actually in the evolutionary best interest of diseases not to eradicate their host organisms. Disease can definitely thin out a population, but on its own, it is very unlikely to fully eradicate them. Especially since humans are smart enough to do things like quarantine sick individuals, engage in proper hygiene, and use medical care to treat symptoms, therefore increasing survival odds. I daresay the only reason people bitten by walkers die is due to sepsis, not whatever disease causes one to become a walker. Normal human bites have a 90% infection rate. A rotting walker's mouth is full of some of the nastiest bacteria in existence. Without a proper course of antibiotics and treatment, you go septic and probably die. The cause of the walker transformation probably hastens that process a bit, as your immune system will already be weakened due to sepsis. I imagine that, with the right medical care and the right dose of antibiotics, you could probably save someone bitten by a walker. It'd still have a pretty high mortality rate, but I doubt it'd be 100%. As far as famine goes, well, yeah, that's going to be an issue if survivors are relying on previously existent food. Which is exactly why they would be stupid to do that. They will need to grow crops, raise animals, etc. I'm sure they can do that, and many communities already are. Even if those communities do get overrun by walkers at some point, they won't all get overrun. Humans are smart. We've been to the moon. I'm sure we'd figure out a way to keep walkers out of our tomato fields. Humanity would bounce back from a zombie apocalypse. It'd just take time. Probably decades to centuries, depending how advanced we are when it happened. Very few apocalypses would be capable of truly ending our species.

[@asavelakuse6865]

The most idiotic Rick did was get rid of the people that would most likely have a chance of ridding the walkers. Like Rick think about humanity first then survive. I get morals but in a world where you must survive everything from zombies sickness the weather and famine you would want to stay with people that are in a position to help the world then once that threat is gone you deal with the CRM

[@mycelia_ow]

I mean it's not like only the CRM is capable of that, the CRM will be rebuilt by the CRC. The echelon knowledge isn't lost either. In fact, I'd say that now that the CRC is helping other communities and forging alliances, they're in an even better spot to help humanity. Beale and the CRM just wanted to be the only ones to do so, and control everything.

[@codygarton7177]

its very possible Beale was lying to Rick specifically to try and trick Rick into doing his bidding to "save humanity" when he really just wanted power and if Rick went along with it by the time he realized the truth it would be too late to change anything

[@bogosbinted1]

Damn bro john locke can never get a good ending

[@Rosie-yt8nd]

who says thats the only projection? this one suspiciously favors the CRM. maybe there are other possibilities but that would threaten the monopoly of the CRM. this is a tool to create loyalty after all

[@stephenscuba6284]

Beale was definitely lying about humanity being extinct he uses that for shock factor before giving the briefing n the variants kill walkers

[@DarkYor]

There are so much interesting stuff in TWD, but it so deluded with water, that it became unconsumable

[@batboyinc]

I’d say the French were making hybrids for Beale. They (French) may no know Beale is dead.

[@gerardmcquade9102]

imagine you could make walker pets that attack other walkers so you have camo and protection

[@TioJones-lm1zi]

Maybe that's the plan

[@gerardmcquade9102]

@@TioJones-lm1zi it will be something like that but maybe not exactly

[@Father_Daniel]

I thought we were going to get way more information and possibly a mention of France to connect to Daryl dixon. I had a few things on my list for reveals and none for them came to fruition. Happy ending for the series but a total downer for the future of TWD universe

[@stephenscuba6284]

I just wish they would have combined episode 4&5 n used to episodes two for finish

[@Mimi.Cherie]

Was Rick right to kill general Beale? Is there only 14 years left? These are my questions…

[@alexsoares9892]

I figured the varaint walkers were being created to eventually be unleashed on North America.

[@scottd1903]

TOWL wasn't bad. It wasn't necessarily good, but I enjoyed it. I think the main problem with it was that it was only 6 episodes. It had a ton of things to explain and storylines to wrap up, and this just wasn't enough time to do it right. Especially since WD audiences, for better or worse, have gotten used to storylines dragging on

[@TheRealCoozi]

Dead city’s only 15 years in it’s like 2 years after TOWL

[@jackseabury4125]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but in Tales of the Walking Dead, isn’t there an episode that takes place 35 years after monument day?

[@Swell-Films]

It’s a pretty weird topic tbh. During interviews with showrunner Channing Powell before the shows airing, she stated “they take place over... tentatively 35 years into the future. Don't quote me on that, Scott [Gimple] will kill me.” Besides that one quote there is nothing indicating that any of the episodes take place that far in. The only one that can be argued really is “Amy / Dr. Everett”, As they mention a lot of things that don’t make sense, like “the dead sector” or “skull hunters”. But whether that’s just something we don’t know enough information on or something else, it’s so vague it’s hard to say for sure.

[@jackseabury4125]

@@Swell-Films Hopefully we see these topics get sorted one day soon. Great work on the video.

[@QW3N]

I think the CRM were just wrong with their predictions

[@dielel9268]

Cooool

[@aaronpasetti]

I wish the CRM was still a HUGE a threat in the TWD Universe because when they brought them into the show I was hyped and excited but now they are good.

[@topgun9987]

We’ve kept thinking the groups couldn’t get bigger. From randals group, negans army, to the commonwealth. The groups keep getting bigger. Maybe now the group of 200k+ will be small compared to a whole continent army like Asia Africa or Australia. It seems like the scales keep getting bigger

[@aaronpasetti]

@@topgun9987 yeah but Beale said they have 14 years left. The walkers are getting bigger and they are bigger hordes now. I remember in the comics the original ending was going to be the walkers have won and everyone was dead.

[@topgun9987]

⁠@@aaronpasettimaybe this evolves into the dead being the main enemy again. The variants could be more prominent deadly and unique

[@aaronpasetti]

@@topgun9987 just remember the variants been around since the start of the show.

[@topgun9987]

@@aaronpasetti not very prominent though. With them branching up in million strong groups it would be more likely to run into them than ever

[@Youngstown529]

Where does the Commonwealth factor into the CRM?

[@DawnoftheDan_]

Is it too late to bring back Frank Darabont?? 😂

[@samueleveleigh2767]

not to side with the group who think genocide is a solution, but the study is right. as in there is no way for a city to become self sufficient, especially in regards to food. and the CRM is incapable of starting up farms to start producing enough food since they are hell bent on remaining hidden from the world, dictating that they limit their foot print and never expand. Or even if they did give up on being hidden from the world, the crm is a very strict police state so any farming initiative has to be a borderline slave plantation, which would spread their military thin, and cause alot of discontent in the populace as well as allowing for people to escape or even sneak in much easier. so yea, to the CRM there legitimately is no way to continue existing because cities demand just way too much in terms of upkeep. that doesnt excuse the literal genocide and would logically mandate a new series of colonies to be establish in order to both decrease the population in the cities and to increase resource generation. but mind you, without large herds of cattle there is no way to get fertilizer in the world so farms would have to be VERY large and have to rely on medieval practices such as crop rotation and furlough

[@Vikeroni]

wasnt france mostly clear of zombies also? so it feels like writes dont know what other writes are writing make it not make sense lore wise with all the seasons

[@A_massive_wog]

The Ones Who Live was somehow worse than TWD's last few seasons. That deserves an award

[@detectin4679]

Luv u paps

[@xerox3933]

after all that secrecy in ftwd and twd in years and crm just ended like that?

[@lBELLACOl]

Even if (that’s a big if given TWD is a post apocalyptic show and the survivors don’t have the level of tech from before to make these estimates) Beale was right about the projections. That isn’t taking into account EVERY other fucking country. Like America is not the only places with survivors

[@RusellClarencePickronsBodyOdor]

Eugene was right……fire with fire

[@ghostsstarwars1929]

Just curious what if the CMR won

[@TheUballe]

This shit was scarier than Diddy waking you up to wrestle at one of his sleepovers.

[@kimberlyweaver1285]

I think I might be evil. While I wouldn’t want to kill all kinds of people, I can still see how getting the people and walkers under control is important. If there is no cure, with random groups of people all over the place, there will always be unknown walkers around. I don’t know. Do you see what I’m getting at? It’s an awful situation.

[@fbi8309]

isnt ep 4 of tales of the walking dead set around 30 years in the future? So beale has to be wrong

[@user-zt2mx6ki7c]

oh hold up, why aren't anyone else talking about this?!

[@lmao7612]

It's 10 years after the outbreak

[@Swell-Films]

Or they overcame the issue. If you’re asking me though, I’m half convinced that was just a marketing ploy. It’s only ever stated in interviews that “an episode takes place 35 years in” and there’s nothing in that episode that even really alludes to it being in the future. The only thing I can’t think of is dr. Everett stating there is a “dead sector”, but who knows what that even really means. But if we do take it as fact it’s 35-years in, then you’re right, either Beale lied, or they overcame the dead.

[@user-zt2mx6ki7c]

@@Swell-Films the future of the plotline is just them figuring out a way, or maybe just some World War Z ending style finale season. otherwise I'm excited

[@rafaelferreira7408]

If you consider this episode Beale was actually right.

[@willbaker6532]

I dont think the 14 years should be taken as gospel.. it was just one military organisatuons predictions. No differen tro all the eother economic or population oredictions that are pretty far off in the world today.. The 14 years was more likely an estimate of when it would go to far to rebuild anything. As there would be too many hordes but some people would adapt and learn how to deal with them perfectly. We already saw this in the main show with well worked large scale plans to divert hordes. Youve got to consider that the CRM also wanted to control the world effectively so theyre gonna be a bit extreme with their predictions and views to try and get their followers to believe them

[@k9vendettathewolfofmordor529]

Probably got longer than 14 years

[@jimplatt6014]

Is it me is the CRM like enclave?. And they have the same views extermination

[@Frederick-San]

🔥

[@OffensiveFarmer]

14 year projection is just ridiculous, humanity will fall because of walker mega hordes? The most dangerous time for humanity was the first few months, every year that goes by the walker threat gets less and less, not more. All you would need to do is artificially steer mega hordes into a kill zone that you've set up and you could wipe out tens of thousands of zombies per day. The walking dead should have never introduced these huge survivor groups with vast resources because it becomes immediately implausible that they wouldn't be able to easily wipe out the walkers with very little effort.

[@scerkann3966]

Word, the CRM could just lure massive hordes with helicopters into falling off cliffs or inte massive canyons or into one area and nuke them

[@gitstautusgitstutasgitstatus]

Chlorine would just make a whole lot more walkers. I don't get it.

[@Swell-Films]

They come in afterwards and exterminate the fresh walkers, as we see from the campus colony massacre