The EDGIEST Marvel Film Yet 😈 - Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness Review

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From Sam Raimi (Evil Dead, Tobey Spider-Man trilogy) comes a mystical multiversal Marvel adventure starring Benedict Cumberbatch, Elizabeth Olson, Benedict Wong, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Rachel McAdams, and newcomer Xochitl Gomez. The multiverse is real, and it is made of cheese.
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[@KyleCollective]

The candle cannon thing that Christine used was a payoff to the first Doctor Strange when Strange picks it up to use against Mads character and he says “you don’t know how to use that do you” so he just throws it at him. Now we know what it does. Also if you watch the Xavier death scene online in .25x she doesn’t snap his neck she literally rips his bottom jaw off

[@TheyreJustMovies]

OOOOOOH ok thank you. Movie's an 8 now - Riley

[@KyleCollective]

@@TheyreJustMovies 😂

[@danielalmeida4934]

@@TheyreJustMovies AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. I Love that some people will not understand that this is sarcasm. Sorry for ruining it. Riley is the best.

[@delonejuanderer]

"The book of Macguffin" let's not forget, America herself, is the biggest Macguffin in this entire movie.

[@kuroziploc]

Almost poetic with America being a McMuffin

[@Yettee0201]

They could have easily just had a "forbidden spell" that let them travel through different universes and dropped her all together and it would have been the same movie

[@qw3rt321]

@@Yettee0201 I agree. Because as we all know, spells have personalities, character arcs, and relationships.

[@Mr2Reviews]

I'm with Riley on this one.

[@SparkFromWithin]

1: That moment when I heard my name and I was "What did I do now?" 😂😂 2: I am just happy that the fight America v. Scarlet Witch wasn't won over who punches the hardest*, but* over an emotional idea that was reinforced throughout the film. She was experiencing trauma, and the breakthrough came from a believable place. Not from* people who are relative strangers to her, but from* the object of her love instead*.

[@EliteProductions3129]

I saw Everything Everywhere All at Once a week before this and that movie completely overshadows it.

[@jeoxs]

Just wanted to share my thoughs about the bad Dr. Strange: That Dr. Strange is not the Evil Dr. Strange from What If. The evil Dr. Strange from what if was so strong and unstoppable that his universe was basically erased by his actions and he got trapped in his own little prison in which the Watcher says it was his own punishment and wasn't going to help him. Trust me! The Dr. Strange from What if would wipe the floor with Wanda and our Dr. Strange.

[@pox87]

The closest thing to Riley's dream game is Magika (and Magika 2), it's small, 2d, independent, but you can do cool stuff being creative with magic, try it out!

[@PierceMD]

Gotta play it with friends, though.

[@random147555]

Every like on this comment is a vote to kindly request that David never say the word frustrated (pronounced fuss-strated) ever again. (Meant with lots of love)

[@NicoSuavemente]

This movie either needed to be an hour longer or 30 minutes shorter. Too many things were unexplained (weird ghoul killing canon) or undeveloped (America just suddenly being able to control her powers, and her backstory was so lame to me). The entire plot point about super strong book was essentially useless (Wanda just destroys it). Characters are stupid (the Illuminati are just all idiots), and the tonal shifts were just way off base in my opinion (the horror elements just did not mesh with the cheesyness for me). The acting was also not great (I thought America's actress didn't do a great job). Still had fun, but the movie was not strong. 6/10.

[@60fpspeasant84]

Totally agree! Although i like this film more than other marvel due to some awesome Sam Raimi shots. The Wanda shots jumping between 2 universe look so cool.

[@crlpl1]

If by Weird Ghoul Killing cannon do you mean Brazier of Bom'Galiath, then I suggest rewatching first Doctor Strange movie. Doctor Strange grabs it to threaten Kaecilius but does not know how to use it. It was a clever scene that shows, that Stranges variant learned how to use that and showed Christine how to do it.

[@NicoSuavemente]

@@crlpl1 I remember that part now, thanks for that. Honestly though, I think it barely improves the scene, because there is zero indication that Christine would know how to use it. Also, it's a payoff for a small throwaway scene in a years old movie that most people (including myself) had forgotten. If the payoff was another small throwaway joke, it would be fine, but it wasn't. So most people watching it will just be confused.

[@hsavov]

I still haven't watched the podcast, but watched the movie in IMAX. I agree that America Chavez was the main weak point of the movie, as well as the out-of-place comedic relief (the entire illuminati thing was out of balance, so the gravity of that universe's Strange actions never felt serious and that section could have been cut entirely). I think if America Chavez was cut from the movie, the breaches to the multiverse were caused by a combination of events from Spiderman-Man 3 and Wanda's desire to reunite with her children, the movie would have been much better. The way things were laid out, it seemed that there would be serious consequences from Strange's actions in Spiderman 3, but that was entirely scrapped in favor of a weak character. I think Elizabeth Olsen did an amazing job in this movie and was the high point.

[@NicoSuavemente]

@@hsavov yeah, they definitely could have cut a lot from the movie to make it cleaner. I definitely agree about Elizabeth Olsen's performance, she's a fantastic actress.

[@myztik5716]

Christine uses the Brazier of Bom'Galiath when fighting the spirits, it's a callback to the first movie when Dr. Strange picks up the artifact when fighting against Mads' character, Kaecilius, who then asks 'You don't know how to use that, do you?' for a small laugh

[@gadget2622]

America’s arc was learning to trust and believe in herself. Up until now no adult had put any faith in her capability. Strange shows that he believes in her by refusing to take her power for himself and that gives her the confidence she needs to control her power.

[@MukiMuki688]

The script wasn’t that tight, but Raimi proved that he’s still got a fastball and can elevate material. I had no problem with the cameos getting axed so quick. They had an arrogance that made me believe that they could be taken out by a threat that they underestimated. It made sense that they would be more concerned with Strange instead of Wanda. Also, I’m very happy that Anson Mount got another crack at Black Bolt and happy to find out that Feige doesn’t completely disregard the Inhumans. Hope Mount returns. Killing Arasaka... | Cyberpunk 2077 Rebel Path Guitar MV kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmTCe6WOrNdnoZI Alucard and Trevor Battle Baroque Guitar MV (Lost Cathedral) kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaqlg42Jg898fNU KoF15 Nameless and K9999 Battle Guitar MV kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2qam4anra6aZtk

[@imthestein]

Regarding sorcerers and runes, what you see with the sorcerer is a glyph which is a geometric design with symbolic significance and a rune is a letter that can have symbolic significance but it’s meant to be part of a language

[@Obospeedo]

Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Mehness

[@XAshe52]

Good discussion. I liked the movie. My one gripe is Wanda's motivation. In an infinite number of multiverses, why on earth does Wanda want to get to one where her children are safe and happy with another good version of her? You're telling me there's isn't a multitude of universes where her kids are orphans or abandoned? You could even make it more of a plot point. Wanda could say she's looked at thousands of universes, and in almost all of them her kids either never existed or are dead, and she needs to get to these ones before they also die. That would at least make her heel turn understandable. She's lost so much. Her parents, her brother, her soulmate and her children. And she cannot bear to see these other universes where her children keep dying. I don't buy at all that Wanda would even think of stealing her kids from another version of her.

[@lumoneko299]

It would seem that the multiverse isn't infinite in the sense that every element can be different. Like there doesn't seem to be a universe where Doctor Strange is happy with Christine. So with Wanda, it could be that every universe is either her children being happy or they don't exist at all.

[@suspickachu2195]

Darkhold’s influence on her makes her not think straight and do what the darkhold desires

[@MarcRitzMD]

She personally has only found the universes in which Wanda still exists so that she can dreamwalk. With the power of Chavez, she could hop to random universes where the mother died after giving birth to both of them, but that isn't an option that has become available for her at that point. It would still require absorbing Chavez.

[@JalalFrazelle]

If it helps, Xóchitl Gómez's name is pronounced So-chill and it means "flower" in the Nahuatl language.

[@TheCarbonAssassin]

Loved the episode but not a fan of the now playing segment referencing previous episodes. I tend to watch these in order if I’ve seen the films and save some for when I get round to watching it - that segment has tons of spoiler potential for unrelated content which is not great.

[@AnimatedBoxHumor]

The Northman got spoiled for me :(

[@Substance242]

This feels like being in a tavern - suddenly everyone's shouting at uncomfortable levels and I want to go home.

[@kitnoman]

It's really a good movie for me and I enjoyed it, but I don't think it met the expected hype generated. There were these stylistic choice with the camera and angles they made that weren't use in the previous MCU movies. I couldn't really say that I hate it, nor do I like it. It's not the first time I saw the style, but kind of weird on this one. Another one is the experimental musical note fight scene, which did not click for me. That fight scene is a bit weak as well. For someone who watched the "what if" and believed that that variant was the Strange Supreme, he should hands down destroyed the "regular" Dr Strange.

[@pijen]

the death of Illuminati members feels like X-Men movies style of death if you know what I mean. kinda explicit and gory

[@johnnypopstar]

Riley - maybe check out Transistor. It's not combining spells, but combining "program functions" to customise your arsenal - same concept but in a different wrapper.

[@Ra-Hul-K]

i think he was more like 'the iluminati? are you kidding me?!' like there is no way a shield or avengers-like group is gonna call themselves 'the iluminati' on earth

[@Juissii]

Spoiled the fuck out of Northman Riley...

[@stagga89]

1:19:20 The thing Riley is talking about sounds alot like Magicka (2) you should check it out

[@25zvillcb25]

Haven't seen it yet, but based on other reviews I'd think I'd align more with Riley but based on previous TJMs I'd think I'd align more with David. I don't care enough about this or Marvel in general to worry about spoilers at this point, so I'm curious who I'll actually side with after seeing this weekend.

[@Ra-Hul-K]

remember that dream where you are falling from a really tall building.. that was me (pushing another Dr. Strange off a building) that was something

[@SeN927]

Riley there is a game that you can combine elemental spells! Magicka its quirky and charming its a co op game and if you hit your teammates spells it also has different effects! You must play it! I'm looking for a game that is similar to it as well but unfortunately its only game that has this kind of mechanic :(

[@electricace8423]

They movie is 6.5 everything Riley said is 100% correct

[@yamusa85]

Guys, fix that mic already! I work at video production and everytime that mic goes numb I die inside. It might be the problem with phantom power from the mixer or ground leak on cables.

[@darmokandjalad7786]

Can you guys do spoiler warnings for movies from past episodes? Wasn't expecting Northman spoilers :(

[@ratchet0120]

Riley, at the end you are describing the game magicka there are two of them and they can be played coop

[@twoften]

Where you're talking about how Strange could have told America 'you can do it' at any time and the movie would've been done, the vague sense I got was that's true, but it was more about Strange's arc to get to the point that he could be the person to say those words. I say vague sense because I feel like what was missing was us seeing that click with him in some little moment, and maybe that connecting more with the story about his sister. I'm long time Team Raimi and loved the general vibe of the film, but I feel like the emotional core of it was more a rough sketch plastered over with awesome superhero stuff than a solid foundation. Which is pretty jarring when compared with Wandavision, which was neutron star levels of emotional density with a thin coat of MCU.

[@stayprofessional2453]

I honestly found myself more bored than entertained with this movie, phase 4 movies by extension (don't care enough to watch the shows). Though I'll admit that I thoroughly enjoyed the darker tone of this movie

[@cris.r.d]

If I had to pick one show to watch but avoid the rest, it’s Loki hands down.

[@BharathiChristiano]

I would watch Riley stream on youtube or twitch all day. such a bright person :)

[@Darqueness]

Dragon Force on the Saturn is one of the best obscure strategy RPGs ever. Still tryin to fig out how to get a working part 2 tho..

[@atul.aditya]

This movie was just bad. And honestly the horror elements aren't even that great. So I don't understand the Sam Raimi elevated this. Maybe it would be even worse without this. The cameos were forced, and the story is bad. The action is even worse.

[@MonolithStudiosMelbourne]

I really think people who didn’t enjoy the movie really just expected a different movie. With that said, the Illuminati section really showed some serious “reshootville” vibes… I’d love to see the directors cut! One thing/ you guys mention about America’s power being controlled out of nowhere but the WHOLE thing is she’s holding back because of her parents. It makes sense that she’s gone on these adventures and trusts Strange that his words and his belief is worth her also having belief instead of fear 🤷‍♀️

[@gadget2622]

Yeah America goes from feeling like an unfortunate soul who is burdened by a cosmic power, to taking ownership of her power and believing in herself and her capabilities to wield it, and that only happens because of the trust and belief that strange puts in her.

[@Aurora12488]

I am totally on board with what this movie tried to be. I just think it didn't execute very well. There were a whole bunch of awkward moments in the script, and a lot of effects looked cheap.

[@Vertutame]

I took the music notes different than everyone here it seems I think that scene gave me what sorcery is. By making an abstract reality.

[@MarcRitzMD]

Ryan, Magicka is exactly the game you're describing. Mix water and fire on the fly to produce steam. It rewards creativity

[@zachs3504]

The thing that irked me was that they gave us a taste of that directorial freedom that we got with ragnarok but then they just went back to the marvel monotony

[@Ikanant]

Guys… I look forward to this podcast often… you guys are awesome… but there was no reason to spoil the ending of the Northman out of left field like that towards the end of the episode. Seriously, c’mon!

[@TheyreJustMovies]

Ah! Oh no I'm so sorry!! I usually try to be sensitive about that but this one slipped through the cracks :/ I'll put your comment on Fan Service this week to remind us of the stakes - Riley

[@twoften]

Damn. Is there a timecode for that so I can mute it? Haven't got to the end of the video yet, and haven't got around to seeing the Northman either...

[@Ikanant]

@@TheyreJustMoviesOh! No need to apologize! It happens 🙃 Thank you for replying. Again, you guys are awesome. Thank you for all the work you do!

[@Ikanant]

@@twoften 1:10:47 is the time to mute :)

[@twoften]

@@Ikanant Legend. Thank you!

[@NathanielKempson]

yall gunna ignore Wanda staring down the fucking camera lense at one point?! I was so creeped out I had to turn around in my seat to make sure i was alone XD

[@albinoitj]

I have 2 reasons to comment: 1- I see complains about the memory store and I agree that it could have been better but, it is explained in the movie... Dr. Strange says very clear to America: "don't you see? Every universe we visited was chosen by you because we had to be there, you don't realize your power ". You have to think that: appearing in that universe, at that time, at that street and passing in front of the memory store (that gives you a small glimpse of the memory that upon paying, you can be there) was chosen by her powers. It cannot be tossed as "stupid coincidence" in the movie.. Un my opinion. 2- NOITA! You guys mentioned NOITA, I tried many times to get David to check the KZbinr: FURY FORGED. He loves the game NOITA. He sounds just like David, even some ways of talking. Some maneirisms.. Don't look at him, just hear him and let me know if I'm crazy. Thanks guys. And yes. Riley is mostly wrong :D

[@sigma682]

They definitely used protection runes in What If

[@icey5474]

Between the different producers, the different cameos, the different stranges, the different wandas/Scarlett witch, the different universes and different eyeballs this didnt feel as one cohesive movie and was released too early. Seems like they tried cramming so much in one movie and it lead to things moving too fast or illogical or just cliché with some “oh that’s pretty cool” moments.

[@TheBomb571]

I really enjoyed this movie, and that's despite not really caring for the first Dr. Strange, which put me to sleep. I really liked the horror vibes throughout the film, and I think I would have much preferred if they went full ham and made it a horror/thriller kinda movie. Tone down some of the wackiness and dive into Scarlet Witch as a terrifying person to make an enemy of. That would have been sweet, especially as it adds something new to the MCU.

[@cutieapplepie]

The problem with this Sequel is the title. This is Not a Doctor Strange Film. No, this is a Wanda film and an introduction to a new Character. Strange is merely a side character who the camera gives more screen time.

[@danielquon9409]

SORCERERS YOU MUST FORTIFY YOUR MINDS 👉😡👈

[@Superagent666]

The What If Dr Strange is Strange Supreme, while this Strange was Sinister Strange

[@KonvoyChief]

#TeamBell First Doctor Strange is my favourite Marvel movie. That said I've only watched a few. There are a number of things in this movie that raised questions. 1. Everything about Wanda. I'm never gonna watch her TV series so it's fine. 2. When did they start having non-humans training on Kamar-Taj? 3. When was Wong made the Sorcerer Supreme? 4. Doctor Strange's new powers?

[@landon16_5]

The non humans thing is from the comics And Wong was made sorcerer supreme when strange was dusted in infinity war

[@Blackfox13x]

I assume that Xavier trusts strange because he can read his mind, it wasn't shown specifically but it makes sense that Xavier would be able to tell what kind of strange were dealing with

[@gelisob]

47:00 feels like Riley missed a lot of little clues in this movie somehow, that he usually does notice in a lot of others. They deliberately showed wanda getting weaker and slower after each of the door rippings, and i got the gist right away that the last bigger door was supposed to be hard due to her exhaustion. Tho they missed the show of attempt of her at least trying to pull it.

[@sigma682]

Sinister Strange from “What If” destroyed his universe trying to save Christine from an absolute point in time. He consumes power from other beings to save and creates an incursion. Sinister Strange in the movie created an incursion but the universe still exists.

[@sigma682]

Those robots are most likely part of the Iron Legion, not Ultron bots.

[@kaskasero]

Strange in multiverse of madness is a different Strange in What if, what if Strange is Strange Supreme and the other one is Sinister Strange.

[@sekharraja9679]

Top Gun maverick is coming in 2 weeks, So is there a chance For an episode on the Original Top gun or the last Tom cruise movie Mission impossible Fallout which is one of the best action movies in the last decade and very close to the Top gun maverick team.

[@nobilprize]

The extended version of this movie is needed for it to be really enjoyable

[@Meatloaf_TV]

I thought the memory store gave out 1 free sample memory for ppl I still think it's silly that their memories are shared to other people

[@Blackfox13x]

This strange trusted her whereas the old strange didn't. This is the first strange to not suggest killing her and using the power himself

[@jamietus1012]

Just from watching the intro, me and the group that I went with agree with Riley, cool stuff but overall just didn't land 6.8/10

[@jcboyle82]

This movie is the epitome of the sum being the more than the individual parts. By the end of it, with all the pieces laid out, I thought it was awesome.

[@MarcRitzMD]

Why do you not credit Belle in the title or description? It costs so little time to show him some respect and appreciation. He was an awesome guest and gave the best commentary in this episode. Love him.

[@dontask9002]

This movie makes the list, for my most favourite movies. It's just what I wanted.

[@raulgalets]

I think the first memory is free so you get addicted or something like that. free trial best advertisement

[@zachmurray8093]

Bro where tf is James at 😪

[@delonejuanderer]

"If they're going to do a horror movie, you have to suffer horror movie stuff", but it wasn't trying to be a horror movie, it was trying to have horror elements, it's like saying Spider-Man is a horror movie, lol wut?

[@RICAv2]

YES!!! Riley! A man of culture!!!!!

[@papapun]

yes please do the evil dead

[@realhkv4082]

I loved it , i understand the presence of these nitpicks but i loved it

[@piccolojiggolo1421]

Anything cheesy monster/horror wise is explained by Bruce Campbell being involved.......and it was all glorious lol

[@CowboyRocksteady]

THANK YOU RILEY!! jim from the office should not be a super hero. and his head was huge

[@triknives]

David actually had me spit up my drink during their review of that Mike Meyers show haha. "It is unbearable" hahahaha. Riley we love you bruddah! I don't always agree but love that you share your thoughts as clearly as you can. You at least present a reason for your thoughts. Keep at it!

[@bryan.w.t]

I might be the only one who didn't like it. Like it's a 5/10 for me. The horror didn't work most of the time. The illuminati thing is just unnecessary for me. They don't play an importance to the story. The script and the cgi is not good. On the flip side, I think the actors all give an excellent performance, especially Wanda. I also appreciate the visual Raimi touch throughout the film.

[@lonewolf2547]

I agree with Riley

[@thomas4201]

I had a similar opinion to Riley about this movie, but much more negative. For a movie titled multiverse of madness, there wasn't a whole lot of madness. This movie felt like a b-list knock off of everything, everywhere, all at once.

[@MrLingon]

More Bell!!!!

[@raulgalets]

01:09:20 there are two of those. you guys repeated the title

[@teresaluz975]

It's a Doctor Strange movie. I loved it, it was like reading a Doctor Strange comic book. Cumberbatch and Olsen were phenomenal. The movie was fun and over the top. I didn't care about the cameos. The clout chasers that were talking about 1000000 cameos made people expect things that weren't necessary to the story. I went to see this movie twice because of Doctor Strange and Wanda, and America Chavez too, I like her a lot.

[@NaniwaRocky]

You could have warned you were gonna spoil the northman ending in the fanservice section 😭😭😭🤣🤣

[@sigy4ever]

Everything Everywhere All at Once released at the same time on a 30 million production budget That movie is an easy 7-8/10 MoM is an easy 2-3/10 by comparison and no its not because I don't like sam rami, Spiderman 1 and 2 were foookin awesome movies and 3 had good moments too

[@skullemyt]

Riley 🔥

[@cromefire_]

I agree with #teambell and David, it's definitely not perfect and there's some stuff that could've been done better, but overall I liked the idea and the cast of Strange, Christine and America did quite well IMO. Definitely some more weird mind-bending doctor strange stuff missing though. Also regarding the memory lane thingy, I think the plates outside where designed to be an insensitive, like how in some stores you kind of get a free sample to lure you into the store, but there was still some missing reason, why they stand on the plates. Also shout-out to Wong being Wong, everybody gotta love Wong. I don't know you, but I just like (Benedict) Wong the actor and Wong the character.

[@christianbell4056]

Love the show, dude in the baseball cap does nothing but complain in pretty much every review tho, good, bad or excellent 😄 Downer

[@marioa6186]

Xotchitl is pronounced "Zochil" for ease of use but is not precisely correct.

[@KhromTX]

I can't watch this podcast anymore because you only seem to focus on new movies and tv shows and I simply cannot keep up. Please do more older movies.

[@noahm903]

Face your fears Dr. Strange

[@vishalvenkat6]

I would take Raimi's style over the pos style of Jon Watts and Peyton Reed.

[@jcboyle82]

Agreed on the blandness of Reed but I really like Watts. His upbeat, teen comedy vibe resonated for me.

[@DSP720]

Riley misses so many details I don't understand how he's so bad at watching movies.

[@RolfRatzer]

#TEAMRILEY!!!

[@ipiponce]

Every time I remember about this podcast, I ask myself "why did I stop listening to this again?" and Riley reminds me why lmao. He's such a downer about everything.

[@CryckTek]

I love you guys but try not to spoil other movies for podcasts that I have intentionally skipped until I've seen it, like the Northman

[@cris_stn]

I believe it was a mistake to let Sam Raimi direct this movie.

[@delonejuanderer]

In the 2016 movie the Sling Ring can travel the multiverse, there's no reason for Wanda to need America. If anyone can learn Sorcery, why doesn't Wanda just learn that, America and Ned and the random guy that told Stephen where Kamar-Taj was in the first place, can learn it, why not Wanda? Right because book go bad, no no, REALLY BAD.

[@johnsoncam]

When do they show that the sling ring can travel the multiverse?

[@delonejuanderer]

@@johnsoncam you must've not seen where they show Dr Strange the Sling Ring lol at 40:04 in the movie Mordo says "they allow us to travel throughout the multiverse"

[@johnsoncam]

@@delonejuanderer huh, you’re right- guess it just got retconned, or mordo is just dumb

[@delonejuanderer]

@@johnsoncam more than likely retconned which idk feels like poor writing to me at this point. I get they can't predict what a certain movie will need in 6+ years but I feel the prior movies should be used as rule books for future films so retconning or stepping away from canon doesn't feel so.... bad? 'Cause this movie left a bad taste in my mouth that none of the prior movies ever have.

[@sensnowy]

Dr strange and the universe of midness

[@williamcoburn4486]

I can’t wait to get a series of Universe 838 movies where the X-men, avengers, sorcerers and fantastic (3) deal with the fallout of losing their leaders and how that will converge into battle world /end theory

[@dawkosvk]

5.5/10 for me ....multiverse was crap, script was weak, the only rememberable parts were the evil dead references

[@TheDragonHoard_com]

#TeamRiley

[@Superagent666]

Wanda needs some mad therapy.

[@zelda2ace]

Lol Riley good attempt at Xochilt. Oddly enough it's pronounced Zochi. Don't know why. it's a Mexican thing, u kinda just grow up these Aztec type names that are spelled weird .

[@sigy4ever]

MoM was horrible :s