The EG4 6000XP Inverters are Installed, Finally! 12,000W Off-Grid Solar Power

[@LithiumSolar]

EG4 Inverter... www.currentconnected.com/product/eg4-6000xp-inverter/?ref=lithiumsolar Victron Busbars... www.currentconnected.com/product/victron-lynx-power-in-distribution-system/?ref=lithiumsolar Siemens Panel... amzn.to/3KNXnOB SOK Batteries... www.currentconnected.com/product/sk48v100-48v-server-rack-battery/?ref=lithiumsolar (affiliate links)

[@0xKruzr]

these are LiFePO4 batteries but the inverter thinks they're lead-acid according to the display, is that bad?

[@tomarq]

To disable or encryp the WiFi dongle: Find the IP address the dongle got from your router and access it via a web browser. The default login is admin/admin. Select "English", and then you can adjust the "Wifi Mode Setting" to either disable the "AP Mode", or in the "AP Mode Setting" tab, you can enable encryption and add a password. I recommend leaving the SSID to it's original name otherwise the EG4 app wont be able to find it. This is working fine for me. Good luck, Mr Goodbits

[@LithiumSolar]

Does the serial number for your wireless dongle start with BA?

[@tomarq]

@@LithiumSolar Yes it does. I have the 18kpv. Both models use the BA##### dongle.

[@LithiumSolar]

@@tomarq Ah ok, what your describing only applies to the BA adapters. Mine is a BJ adapter and does not appear to be responding on any of the common web ports.

[@blewis7359]

Great presentation and nice job on the wiring - it's clean. So the topics I like to see is the arrays used for these inverters to insure max input without over voltage. The second is - and this is something - no one seems to touch on, is generator interface. Whether the system is off grid, or attached to, but NOT back feeding the grid - power outages will happen. This is a crucial step to a automatic system that will continue to supply your critical loads without intervention, If you have covered this in another video my apologizes and perhaps you can provide a link to that information. Again thanks for the presentation and nice job.

[@PhiTonics]

I used to install solar for enphase.. It was pretty funny, I could literally hop on wifi everwhere we installed solar. You wouldn't believe the lack of security networks have these days, and companies with your information.

[@briandumont7619]

I’ve had my dual 6000XP’s with 4 X Ruixu batteries running without Solar for 4 months with no issues. I just added 8kW of solar and it’s even better. Nice video!

[@codyc600]

This is my exact setup as well! Runs our rv flawlessly

[@AdamDeLayDIY]

Great job on the install! I'm partial to the conduit/wireway look. It just makes things look nice and clean! Looking forward to your future tests on this inverter. I sent you a message on the forum with a link to a doc that might help you add a password to the WiFi dongle. YT doesn't like links in the comments if they don't come from the creator. Regarding the fans on the inverter, I've seen other folks buy floor register diverters and put them on the discharge side of the inverter so you're not feeding warm air from one inverter directly into the other inverter.

[@RayLoveless]

Nice build! I wasn't sure the best way to put 2 of these inverters together. I ended up going with a power distribution block to combine the AC output and also for my grid input. I'm pretty happy with it so far.

[@booterone1]

One thing you might think about updating is the communication wire connections between the two inverters. The manual shows a diagram for 4 inverters, but nothing for two inverters. I will be subscribing as you are very detailed on the information, thanks.

[@Mike-01234]

I just got my 6000xp running really good inverter well worth the money IMO. I put it right into service cutting my peak usage from 6800KWH to 2300KWH haven't gotten my solar panels up working that soon but just this savings alone making a difference. This winter we get super off peak I will be charging during the super cheap rate and flipping over to battery rest of the day.

[@ZennExile]

Been waiting on this one! And you aren't wrong about the internet connected device craze. It's not useful in many cases, and it's always a security risk. I would much rather have my own subnet connected through a router that doesn't allow incoming connections at all than have the "convenience" of easily connected devices. The Internet of Things should be managed by offline modules you can choose to update over your own network but never communicates beyond your home network without permission and absolute necessity. Household appliance manufacturers are no more ready for harmful code injection than your nearest great grandmother is on her iPhone. There are way too many unknown faults that could cause real world harm.

[@nealhamilton3881]

How are these inverters holding up? I'm thinking of using one of these as emergency power for my deep freezers and well pump.

[@LithiumSolar]

They're still running GREAT! There's an updated 2-month video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/rovCpn9oqbWCZqs

[@cd1168]

Great job. Solar systems have come a long way

[@AveRage_Joe]

Install looks GREAT!! What "baffle" are you referring to in the wireway? You dont need to separate AC and DC in the wireway if thats what you were talking about.

[@uhjyuff2095]

I think as long as all the wires are rated for the highest voltage that is inside the wire way or junction box no divider is needed.

[@uhjyuff2095]

Good job on bundling the grounded conductor with its ungrounded conductors. It is a NEC requirement when multiple grounded conductors share the same conduit.

[@jimmyg6215]

Looks nice and neat. I did similar with a 6x6 wire way and was able to use most of the provided knockouts, but I did make the battery one a bit larger just so they lined up with the nuts inside the inverter better. Think I punched it to 2”. I did want to ask about grounding. I have family licensed electricians. He told be to add a common ground bar inside the 6x6 wire way and then have all the devices connect to that common ground. His expectation was not to rely on the conduit between the inverter and wireway for grounding connection, this ensures the wireway is grounded to a mechanically connected set of screws, just like in a electrical panel. I think since this is smaller gauge wire vs larger wire there are grounding allowances in the code book, but that’s how I did it. Common ground bus mounted inside wireway back to electrical panel then inverter, batteries, and a victron charge controller I use for testing all run back to that common ground bar inside the wireway.

[@colormaker5070]

Does the unsecured inverter SSID give you access to settings or just for monitoring ? Wired dongle $200 seems like they just want you to use wifi, that’s disturbing in so many ways.

[@northidahodreaming5657]

I'm so thankful that you mention the security of the WiFi dongle-router connection. I'm just getting around to installing a pair of 6000xps. I asked tech support by phone about security...having my home router exposed to everyone....and was told in a round about way..."no one seems concerned about that" and "no, there is no way to encrypt or lock out tech support from checking into my system anytime they feel like it....? I likely would/will remove the dongles after setup and just live without the data available for me by phone or pc. Currently all I watch on my older off grid system is bluetooth data from a Victron shunt. Do I really need more data available with the 6000XP? Why can't EG4 provide bluetooth data versus out to the cloud/world data? Is EG4 mining data from our EG4 installations?

[@LithiumSolar]

I don't understand how anyone thinks the open wireless network is acceptable. I will have an update in a few days hopefully ;-)

[@Nathan-wf3fr]

Thanks for sharing. I’m considering the same. Really appreciate you sharing your experience with setup and use.

[@john_in_phoenix]

Impressive installation, thanks for walking us through it.

[@martijnheeroma5492]

Nice setup, saying it as a Victron-only user ;)

[@D-Khaz]

I have 24 batteries in my setup and just used a panel board with 2P breakers as the combiner panel. But this only makes sense if you're pushing relatively low currents on a each panel. You should do a quick video comparing the Siemens vs Square D breakers.

[@ahaveland]

Looking great, however the open wireless would be a deal breaker for me. There are libraries for WPA2 and 3 encryption, it's not as if they'll have to write this code from scratch and skimping on this is quite a bad look. I would push them hard to address this vulnerability.

[@Ladarian_]

Looking to get a system setup for myself but finding folks who aren't out to take your money is pretty difficult up here in Maine.

[@SuperBrainAK]

Great job with the wiring! Looks very up to the task and well managed. I'm sure it wasn't easy but is certainly worth it!

[@stevenfrazier8939]

I created an encrypted guest network on my router called EG4 so the inverter can be connected to the internet without giving them access to my home network.

[@LithiumSolar]

That's kindof what I did, though it goes a step further and also blocks access to the internet.

[@northidahodreaming5657]

@@LithiumSolar I'm an old guy. I'd love to have a detail instruction set on exactly how to set up a guest network.....as described here. Currently I have a Starlink router and am not sure if I'm able to set up such a thing as a "guest network". This Starlink is the Gen 2 model which does not have any input or output connections for an external router....with which I could likely set up a guest network. I'm technically challenged to the extent that I don't know more about the subject. I live off road and off grid in the far north Idaho mountains. I have a diesel heater and blink camera that currently invade my router security....but I don't know how to make it secure. Beautiful installation .... Many thanks!

[@offgridd]

Great install, looks neat! I am using self made copper 5x40 mm busbars that will do fine, combined with ANL 80V fuse holders that have enough distance to prevent an arc being kept when the fuse blows. Is there a good reason to use T-specified fuses instead? One small hint: never roll up wires in your cabling: they can cause unwanted behaviour because of being a coil...

[@GottaLoveGoats]

PLEASE HELP!! I am in the process of installing 3 of these 6000K inverters. I have only two solar strings to wire. Do those strings have to be installed on the primary inverter or can they be installed on any of the inverters?? I can't find an answer to this anywhere!! Thanks for the video!

[@offgridwanabe]

Sweet the surge power must be amazing. May need an air diverter between the units.

[@Scat.original]

what labels are you using on the wires? I bought some and they won't stay wrapped arout the wires Thanks for a great video

[@LithiumSolar]

I use this label maker amzn.to/45tj0NO with this printable heat shrink cartridge amzn.to/45swFon . I don't like glue-based wire labels as they always leave sticky slimy residue and collect dirt/dust.

[@TheGrimshaw]

Great video, one note, the fans of the first inverter will end up blowing hot into the intake of the other inverter.

[@LithiumSolar]

Logic would suggest this; however, the manual states they can be placed a minimum of 7.9 inches apart and mine are further. Perhaps I can put a piece of hvac duct metal bent at a 45 angle to direct some of the air outward instead of directly in to the next unit.

[@shelley131]

What is meant by load and generator on the inverter? Am new to this but I want to learn. Thank you for your time and hard work you do and share with us.

[@LithiumSolar]

The load terminals are where you connect the loads you're powering (typically it goes to a sub-panel). The generator terminals are an input from a generator to be used to charge the battery bank as needed (such as no sun, grid outage, etc).

[@Roll2Videos]

Great video 👍 love the setup 😮

[@CoolTechTime]

Question on the grounding and bonding did you Bond the Neutral and ground at the main panel ? Or are they isolated Neutral?

[@GavinStoneDIY]

Nice clean install. Looks good.

[@ianstephenson650]

Hi, if you were using the grid input, would use a second Seimens 4 way panel? the reason I asked, it is because most videos with dual 6000xp do not show AC input combiner box/panel even when using grid input. I am about to install my inverters with grid input, I hope I can see that bit of information soon.

[@h.766]

I wonder if you can do AC coupling with that inverter?

[@1982757]

Great vid! I saw the SOK and EG4 batteries if I am not mistaken. Are they connected together? In other words, can one connect two batteries from different manufacturers in parallel with no ill effects? Thank you.

[@LithiumSolar]

Yes, they are connected together on my battery rack. It can be done if the operational parameters and system sizing is properly understood.

[@1982757]

@@LithiumSolar Okay. Thanks. Could you do a video on how you connected them and explain these parameters and sizing. It would be an eye opener for someone like me because I have been under the impression that you must use only the same batteries in a parallel configuration.

[@darreneaton3046]

Where do we terminate surge protection for 2 inverters (off grid, standby genset, 4 dc strings from ground mnt array)??

[@LithiumSolar]

I don't have an answer there unfortunately. I would have to defer that to a licensed electrician.

[@darreneaton3046]

I am licensed and technically the manufacture could advise but EG4 deferred to the sales rep? An extreme version of surge protection would nearly cost the same as an inverter, maybe just have another inverter on standby?

[@marcfruchtman9473]

Great review, That wireless dongle is a huge security flaw without a password, is there a way to enable password? (I don't see why they don't sell a dongle that combines switchable secure encrypted wireless and wired LAN combo), and would like to see the MPPT voltage minimum dropped to v48 or lower).

[@bill2292]

Does the 6000XP communicate with the Lynx? Why did you need the shunt, wouldn't the Lynx provide the data you need?

[@LithiumSolar]

I don't have the Victron Lynx, or any other Victron components. I use a Batrium BMS for my self-built battery banks (not shown in the video) which uses the shunt I installed.

[@rgbii2]

I've been using the Solar Assistant for a while now on a smaller system, and it works pretty good, though for me it will occassionslly lose connection and you have to manually disconnect and reconnect (through the software). I asked about either auto reseting when it disconnects, or at least give some notification, however, he said he hadn't heard of the problem. I found a few other people mentioning it on other forums. Still a nice system, it's just annoying when it happens.

[@samfish6938]

Very clean work

[@Solar_and_Security]

Same, I love mine, but the WIFI adapter.... I'm trying to get the Wired connection, but its constantly sold out, and expensive... good luck!

[@simon359]

I’m curious if your battery banks have separate shunts? On mine I have two different battery banks by two different manufacturers and each one has a shunt for tweaking the exact amp number going into each battery bank. 🖖

[@LithiumSolar]

No, only one shunt on the entire system that connects to the Batrium BMS.

[@simon359]

@@LithiumSolar Then I take it that all your batteries are calling for the same amperage input?

[@LithiumSolar]

​@@simon359 The maximum rate of charge of the battery bank is pretty much 10x the maximum output my inverters can deliver. There are more batteries off to the side that you do not see in the video. Each battery has a BMS that is programmed with over-current protection. I don't see any reason you need to devise any kind of system to make sure each battery is getting exactly X amps, nor do I think that's even possible.

[@stevedutcher3875]

Another nice video Mike!

[@LithiumSolar]

Thank you sir, and it was nice meeting you :)

[@ZeroDot42]

What printer do you use forcthe cable labeling ? Is pin terninals worth it? I see you dont use any?

[@LithiumSolar]

I use this label maker amzn.to/45tj0NO with this heat shrink cartridge amzn.to/45swFon . The pin terminals (ferrules) are great when they're called for. The terminal blocks on the Batrium stuff pretty much requires them. They prevent strands of wire from breaking off and are good for stress relieving. They have their purpose. I would not use them on any of the inverter stuff or high-current items. I think I saw in the EG4 manual that they explicitly tell you NOT to use ferrules.

[@colormaker5070]

@@LithiumSolar Thank you for the label maker link !

[@ZeroDot42]

Stunning installation

[@LithiumSolar]

Thank you :)

[@mattjames9755]

How did you do the knockouts for the wire way?

[@LithiumSolar]

I have a hydraulic knockout punch set. It's TEMCo brand, but unfortunately it looks like the specific kit I have has been discontinued.

[@aa999xyz]

what voltage is your battery bank?

[@LithiumSolar]

51.2V nominal

[@emilhwilkins3275]

80% derate rule only comes into play when you are pulling 100% of the circuit breaker and wire size for 3 hours of continues draw from your circuit breaker panel then after the 3 hours you can only draw 80% this is due to the heat that is built up in the circuit breaker and wire. Temperature rating of the wire needs to be 90 degree C.

[@LithiumSolar]

Correct, the time for a load to be classified as "continuous" is 3 hours. This inverter can exceed that, thereby I sized the breakers 1.25x as required.

[@carlosschmidt6035]

it's a beautiful installation.

[@LithiumSolar]

Thank you :)

[@bryhan67]

Wonder if the fans could be flipped on one inverter so its not blowing hot air from one to the other. Im in a really hot climate so heat is a issue for me.

[@nicholaslogan5185]

Okay so redneck hack.... Just turn one around. If you want to access the front maybe mount back to back on a post 😂.

[@macguyver8698]

Nice to be rich. Nice set up.

[@LithiumSolar]

LOL, not rich by any means...

[@flatphrat134]

WOW that looks awesome man!

[@Ojames600]

Nice and neat. Well done. Where do you purchase your wireway ?

[@LithiumSolar]

Zoro part number G0341056

[@clarencewiles963]

You have it looking great 👍

[@UKsystems]

Those breakers may not operate if the inverters are 25 A simply because the way some inverters designed they don’t have additional current or at least for more than a couple of seconds depending on how the breaker is tripping due to the amount of current it may not work

[@LithiumSolar]

In the event of a short-circuit, these inverters are capable of delivering enough to trip that breaker. You are correct that it's unlikely in this setup, especially given the inverters have electronic over-current protection; however, the breakers are still required AND they also serve as a service disconnect. If you have more than 2 inverters, the current delivered during a short-circuit increases well beyond the breaker rating.

[@UKsystems]

@@LithiumSolar however the failure of one inverter may not be enough to increase the current that much it would actually decrease the current available in a fault

[@JonOffgrid]

It be cool to test a 5000 watts cotek I have a 2000 w 48 volt I use it to save on idol consumption I do have some bigger words but I keep them off as much as possible

[@ScottDLR]

Amazing build!

[@retrozmachine1189]

A word of warning. In my experience that CPT branded buck or boost power supply in the bottom of the cabinet sooner or later will fail and take what ever is plugged into it out too if it's a buck. I've had it happen personally and also to a friend that used them. If they must be used over voltage protection is a must, crowbar or the like.

[@LithiumSolar]

That's a Meanwell power supply, not CPT. Meanwell are very reliable. I have a few of them now and never had a problem with any of them.

[@retrozmachine1189]

@@LithiumSolar Not the box to the left of the DIN rail. The thing sitting in the bottom of the cabinet, clearly has CPT on the label. Timeref 06:00

[@LithiumSolar]

@@retrozmachine1189 OH that!! Yes, that was an uber-cheap converter that I had a raspberry pi plugged in to. It will go away soon. Thanks for the tip :)

[@kenthiergartner1506]

Can you explain the 80% derate rule mentioned around 4:40 and how it applies here?

[@LithiumSolar]

That would best be answered by an electrician, which I am not.

[@kenthiergartner1506]

Either way your installation is very clean and professional. Good work!

[@loucinci3922]

Enjoyed the video. Thanks for sharing

[@SyberPrepper]

Excellent video. Thank you.

[@ghostriderjku7209]

Does the 18k version have the same issue with the ssid?

[@daddio7249]

The 18k is sourced from a different manufacture, you would have to find a video of that model to find out.

[@Shmade0304]

Your back yay 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🔋🔋🔋🔋

[@ricoma6037]

Yes, Huge security issue!!!

[@fly4fun24]

Why not an18kw instead 2- 6ks inverters??

[@LithiumSolar]

What 18kW inverter are you referring to?

[@fly4fun24]

@@LithiumSolar eg4 18kpv

[@LithiumSolar]

@@fly4fun24 That is not an 18kW inverter. It is a 12kW inverter. It is the same capacity as what I installed here for an extra $2100!

[@daddio7249]

@@LithiumSolar The 18k is a hybrid, these are off grid. Plus two is one, one is none. Lose one of these and you still have 6000 watts of 120/240v

[@fly4fun24]

Wow.,2100..... You can buy almost 10kW Of Battery , it Make sense...

[@0xKruzr]

man I am so terrible at organizing wiring/cabling like this, if anyone has tips on how to do this I would love some!

[@myself-tp2my]

just broadcast a second SSID in your home router with the same name and stronger signal.. it should make the SSID from the inverter less likely to be chosen. Do not put a password on yours and make sure it goes nowhere.. not inside your house of course.

[@LithiumSolar]

Well, that's one idea... but not really acceptable in term of security. It should have a simple on-off, don't see any way one could argue against that.

[@myself-tp2my]

@@LithiumSolar I agree that they should provide a way to disable broadcasting any unsecured wifi.

[@SurFrankenRon]

So the one on the left is sucking all the hot air from the one on the right :p

[@SurFrankenRon]

I'd totally trust you to set this up more than an electrician lol.

[@LithiumSolar]

Yeah that's pretty much what happens, though I have a couple of inches further apart than the minimum distance specified in the manual lol

[@randydehne8866]

looks awesome

[@BrockLaBenne-ti4jm]

Thank you for posting, I’m trying to find out if these inverters require each string of pv to be paralleled into each inverter? Electrician in me seems to think that this makes sense but obviously only 2 moots per inverter and you have 3 strings so this wouldn’t work. Looks like you just brought your first two strings into one and the third string into the second. Secondly, if you only had two strings and 3 inverters would this mean one inverter doesn’t get any solar input? Hope this question makes sense.

[@LithiumSolar]

With 2 inverters, you have 4 unique MPPT chargers. You do not need to connect the same solar string to two inverters. In fact, that would completely mess up the MPPT algorithm. You also do not need to have a solar input at all, so 3 inverters with solar panels on 1 and 2 but not on 3 would be perfectly fine as well.

[@BrockLaBenne-ti4jm]

Thank you so much for this reply, you can tell I’m a solar rookie. It looks like with the batteries you do indeed hook them up in parallel tho? So you bring a feeder from each inverter to the combined battery buscar?

[@leshenderson5746]

Clear as mud !!

[@LithiumSolar]

What part is confusing that I could explain further. Keep in mind, this is not an instructional video!

[@FonteSolar]

😀😀😀 top demais show parabéns

[@jakeandrules7724]

Wireway needs ground bar that lands all grounds

[@LithiumSolar]

It needs grounded yes, but all have to land there? Any idea the code reference?

[@dinobernardi170]

Looks great but beginner hear and all the impressive lingo is little much for my level at this point. Ill be back!

[@jamessullivan6985]

Nice

[@andropar3353]

🎉

[@breakalegfpv9532]

that is just so they can still charge their devices, at "your place " when the power gets shut off lol.

[@Golf-and-Basicstuff]

unplug it and reinsert the dongel

[@WiSeNhEiMeR-1369]

HOWdy L-S, ... THANKS = I have a GROWATT SPF 6000T DVM-MPV that I am quite satisfied with but these EG4 6000XP's seem quite interesting & Adequate I'm anxious to hear you 1-month / 3-month / 6-moth / reviews COOP the WiSeNhEiMeR from Richmond, INDIANA ... ps: I have never been able to configure my Growatt WiFi Dongle (because I do NOT own a CELLULAR Telephone ) & because they want me to broadcast my INFORMATION to CHINA ??? 😞 ...

[@danielg.1707]

So this is an off grid inverter that needs internet? I don't have internet, I guess I'll have to find something else...

[@LithiumSolar]

It does not require internet or network access. You can configure it using the buttons on the inverter, but having the phone app makes it a lot easier. You can configure it with bluetooth from your phone (no internet/network) then unplug the dongle when you're done configuring. I leave mine plugged in/connected for statistics gathering, that's it.

[@danielg.1707]

@@LithiumSolar OK, got it, thanks for responding 👍

[@solarcharging9743]

Come back a year from now and let us know if these low cost (cheap) transformerless inverters are still working.

[@GavinStoneDIY]

Still beating that drum…..

[@LithiumSolar]

@Gavin some people just don't know how to quit

[@Tiersmoke92555]

I wish we would stop falling for the next shiny toy. Gimmicks like "innovation" and "new more efficient with an LED light" fool folks into trusting junk with bad support for one of a home's most important components. I live 99% off-grid (still have internet) an inverter and its coordinating components are a life support system. I rolled into this lifestyle because of nicety. Folks with expensive builds or the guy that hires engineer775 burn my biscuits.

[@rainielwang9368]

hello sir, how can i contact you for cooperation?

[@DeathbyKillerBong]

very nice setup