The Elden Ring DLC Trailer Keeps Getting WEIRDER! | NEW Discoveries

[@been_rly_n2_paragliding_lately]

"Prepare to be Messmer-ized" - Messmer The Impaler, probably

[@slynt_]

"It's Messmerin' time" - leaked dialogue from the DLC final boss fight

[@Last_Cosmonought]

“Get ready to be dingered”- Ging Dinger The Flinglebop

[@titaniumteddybear]

Ok but isn't it weird that his name means "to hyponotize" when it's Miquella who is meant to be the best at "charming" people?

[@himehomemi5642]

​@@titaniumteddybearhe does have snakes around him, maybe he charms the same way a snake charmer hypnotizes a snake

[@ShadmehR_23]

​@@himehomemi5642😮😮

[@TOASTALLY_TOASTED]

I hope so much that we get a flame of frenzy dragon

[@durpanda123]

I would also love some sort of blood dragon, bloodflame probably.

[@coldsteelblue7275]

Black flame dragon would be awesome

[@rynether9878]

I didn't even realize that was a thing I wanted to see until right now. Thank you friend.

[@syttemis3]

Maybe frenzy flame is Mesmer trying to come back from the shadow world

[@luce698]

An ancient frenzied flame Dragon would be cooler

[@ignatiustenebris6743]

I think the snakes sigil does have wings. The two feathery designs where the snakes meet in the middle could be stylized wings.

[@Dartokenove]

I thought so too

[@letsrock12345]

That was my thought too

[@OD91MJ]

Flying snake battle confirmed. Hopefully we can use the Sword spear again with the Ash. Rhykard fight was so good.

[@BOOGIEWOOGIE6205]

I was thinking the same thing and also the symbol at the bottom looks like the shed skin of the great serpent Eiglay we find in Volcano Manor

[@enlightenmentjunkie1]

Same.. It definitely could just be design but when he said it didn’t have wings that was the first thing I noticed.. Also the symbol below that resembles Melania’s (and also the Cleanrot Knight’s) helmet!

[@ReapersAngel]

I mean, it IS called SHADOW of the Erdtree. Maybe the Realm or the Sun was obscured by the Erdtree, casting a Shadow. Thus creating the shadow realm.

[@TheCollapse410]

Yea but the erd tree gives off light it's self so I think it's tied to that.

[@TheCollapse410]

Also They show the moon in the new trailer and it looks like rannis rune is still on it even in the shadow lands. Wonder what that means? Does space stay the same in all the lands? Is that why ranni did what she did?

[@mellar5864]

looks more like marikas veil on the land of shadow is also kinda blocking out the sunlight

[@weebhunter9305]

I don't think so Jimbo, I'll try to explain my reasoning later, I'm at work. ( From what we understand the land of shadows could be in between or something somewhat related to what you said but we also KNOW that that's where Marika first set foot in the lands between, and possibly where she became a Empyrean or a god, it's also heavily implied or confirmed that she is the one hiding the Land of Shadows to cover what she did, Obviously hiding Messmer entire existence since we didn't know anything about him before the DLC announcement.

[@ChristmasLore]

Thing is, castle on the shield looks nothing like the one in the trailer, not even from a different angle (windows, dented top, etc..). It's reaching, at best

[@Lark_man]

Miquella going to the realm of shadow, is similar to Kelé traveling to the catacombs to find out his roots.

[@CallMeZorbin]

But what is the lore implication. Like that is miquella looking to ascend to god-hood? Or is it gonna bring us new quest options to save Milenia?

[@Ecliptor.]

@@CallMeZorbin Probably the former, similar to Ranni.

[@Old_Gregg]

Imo it is also extremely similar to Griffith in Berserk. All his followers loved and were super loyal to him. Then he undergoes a cocoon like transformation in an attempt to reach for god hood. I also think there is big similarities in overall character design from what little we’ve seen/heard of Miquella. I wouldn’t be surprised if his new form is Messemer or something akin.

[@thetsarofall8666]

My theory behind messmer's snakes are that, similar to godfrey and godrick, they are grafted to him. However, for a different reason. Noting the wings on the snake's body, his dragon communion eyes, and his overall odd body shape, i believe hes using the snakes essentially as proxies to halt the transformative effects of dragon communion. That would explain the wings on the snakes and his eyes: through grafting, hes managed to go further into dragon communion than any other without becoming a magma wurm.

[@thekween9037]

OK now I'm imagining messmer's third phase where you cut off the snake and he unwillingly transforms into a magma wyrm monstrosity that makes the other ones look like child's play

[@thetsarofall8666]

@@thekween9037 thats the exact same thoughts i was having!

[@OMGitsTerasu]

Wrym, but I agree 100% it sounds like a good theory.

[@Greywander87]

I thought the transformation was the entire point of dragon communion; you're trying to become a dragon. It's just that most people, or even everyone who attempts it, fail and ends up as a magma wyrm instead. Though even then perhaps the wyrm is merely an intermediate stage, and those who continue the practice can transform into something else. Have we seen a demigod that practice dragon communion yet? It's entirely possible that it manifests differently for a demigod. The snakes could be part of the transformation.

[@renzodaihannya8644]

@@OMGitsTerasu imagine trying to correct someone, then spelling the “correction” wrong yourself. 🤦‍♂️

[@alanthe2]

It’s mad how I’ve gone from “kill monsters, beat game” to “what interpretation should I draw from the placement of this particular rock and what clues can I gather from it” since the DLC trailer. I’ve been telescoping everything. I dragged the camera through Rennala’s head just to see what colour her eyeballs were. It’s deranged.

[@gothxm]

lmfao. i sense a brilliant movie that needs to be made

[@trippyzero8612]

So? What color were they?

[@alanthe2]

@@trippyzero8612 the eyeball bit was regular white. Not like the player character when they become a bloody finger or yellow when they inherit the frenzied flame. But her iris looked to me to be grey which I don’t think offers any clues. The decent thing is that she’s the only shardbearer you fight that remains alive and gives you the opportunity to really look at her character model. I thought it was interesting that the tip of her crown resembles a snake’s head with two red glintstones on either side of the gilded bit and she also has entwined snake motifs on both drapes of her robe. Which may not be relevant but given the DLC trailer certainly makes it noteworthy.

[@trippyzero8612]

@@alanthe2 Thanks for letting me know! :D Gray is about what I figured. Unironically I want to know if her eyes are using the "clouding" layer. In Zullie the Witches video on eyes it's shown that some characters do use this. The gray eyes may indicate lost grace. Dis-graced, ha! I wanna know if she has green eyes originally or not, that's what I'm actually looking out for.

[@dylanworth8038]

I really like the Sunless Realm Sheild theory. I always wished that the skeletons who wield those shields would also drop their armor. I remember being kinda bummed out that I couldn’t use their cool looking helmet and red cape. Perhaps these skeletons are what remains of Messmers soldiers seeing that they both use that striking red in their armor.

[@cantremember6794]

Don't forget there cool ass sword

[@dylanworth8038]

@@cantremember6794 Thats very true, they do have cool rusty straight swords. Also I meant to type Sun Realm instead of Sunless Realm lol, looks like i had Dark Souls 3 on the mind

[@NecroBanana]

One thing to note about the shield being dropped from TWLID is that they have been dead for YEARS. Before the erdtree was even a thing. Their weapons are all old and rusted and even the bandit curved sword alludes to them being old. They died back when the Ghostflame was still a thing practiced in the Lands Between so it"s very possible that they were around during the time the "land of shadow" still existed in the Lands Between and wasn't hidden.

[@Ziostorm]

My only counter argument to that would be that Deathroot itself appears to be the cursed Erdtree roots rising out of the ground. It eludes to TWLID being those given “Erdtree Burial” resurrecting from those cursed roots. Not really a ton of textual evidence for this tho

[@NecroBanana]

@@Ziostorm but why would bandits get Erdtree Burial?

[@eldritchtouched]

@@NecroBanana It's likely that the older dead who were buried prior to Deathroot are being resurrected long after they died. Think of the Erdtree like the heart, with all its roots being veins and arteries and deathroot as a poison- it now spreads everywhere easily, using all those roots.

[@splatzec]

Check out the big statues in the Mausoleum grounds in Liurnia, and also pay close attention where you find Miquella’s lilies in game, they often appear right in front of lore objects or to signify that the faction in the area we are in has a significant level of faith in Miquella and the Haligtree.

[@Aconspiracyofravens1]

The snake does have wings, the two sigils on the side of the emblem look like they are meant to represent stylized wings, like the airforce wings.

[@Gatchu137]

I think the reason banished knights are in Farum Azula is because Godfrey invaded it, much like he did the Mountaintops for Marika. Both banished knights and crucible knights used to be part of his army, and we see two of his 16 crucible knights in Farum Azula as well. One of the crucible knights is even still fighting the beastmen, so they're not friendly. Stormhawks were also part of his army, and there's plenty of them there. Marika must have conquered Farum Azula at some point, if she stationed Maliketh and a tree sentinel there. And it would make sense that she'd see the ancient dragons as a threat, given that their scales (the ancient dragon smithing stones) can forge weapons capable of killing gods. We also don't know why the ancient dragons would have attacked Leyndell, but it could have been in retaliation for Marika and Godfrey destroying their city. Finally, the Ruins Greatsword is a legendary armament, despite just being a broken piece of Farum Azula. I think that's because it was made legendary in commemoration of the meteor originally hitting Farum Azula (probably mid-invasion), causing it to float and basically be destroyed. Most legendary armaments aren't granted that title due to strength, but rather a special event that they represent.

[@malbhet]

If you look at the back of the crucible knight armor set, it also has the two snakes embroidered on the cloth part. Also if you pay attention to the flame in Mesmer's hand it starts out as black, then it goes to red, and finally has a golden glow within the center of the flame, similar to how the crucible knights armor is mentioned as being gold with a reddish tint, almost as if Mesmer has his own type of special flame, like a crucible flame. His flame seems as if it is fueled and burning at around the golden energy that other Demigods of the golden order, mainly Marika, Radagon, Godwyn, Morgot and Miquella are known to wield

[@Solibrae]

I had a thought when you were talking about that building that looks like it's catching sap in the Sun Realm section; it looks like it would be shaped and potentially positioned perfectly to look like the Sun is resting on, or coming out of, it, at least when viewed from the right angle and distance. If that's intentional then it would explain why this place was known as the "Seat" of the Sun.

[@dangerguy32]

Worth noting Castle Sol, as well. The ghost in the Church of the Eclipse says "Frigid sun of Sol, surrender yourself to the eclipse. Grant life to the soulless bones" The one near the medallion says "The sun has not been swallowed. Your comrade remains soulless". The "comrade" likely being Godwyn I also noticed that Lion chimera thing seemed to spit Death fog. I think this DLC may have more to so with Godwyn than Miquella

[@dripstein5068]

im just hyped to use messmers armor

[@lukekane6123]

You have to beat him first😉

[@Kn1ghtborne]

​@@lukekane6123 Piece of cake

[@mitsuri3096]

​@@lukekane6123he's gonna turn into a rune bear so it'll be a disappointing fight

[@grizzlygrimgaming1530]

@@mitsuri3096lol I’d laugh my ass off🤣🤣🤣 turn the game off

[@lolardwtf]

@@mitsuri3096 a crazy omen rune bear boss fight would be pretty awesome though

[@BrassPetals3Voices]

Watched yet again, more random observations: Messmer's spell when we first see him looks like a fiery/black growing branching sapling tree in his hand. It looks like a dark version of Melina's Erdtree spell as it is 'growing'. It is more clear as a branching pattern rather than thorns when adjusting contrast in image editing. In the top left corner of the screen in the Wicker Man scene, the tree there left has a branching pattern very similar to the spell. Behind Messmer appears to be his throne and behind that a Marika statue. The rider on the downtrodden Leonard-type horse in the swamp has missing feet, just as Radahn did. Ranni's moon seems to be prevalent, with clear shots of its 'rune'. There is imagery of augers as a decorative theme in the scene with the throwing daggers - some sort of pot-stand sculptures with what look like helical blades, and tall thin 'tower' buildings in the background that have similar motifs. Two uses besides lava-siphon that struck me - as digging tools in very tough terrain (like mines), and to dig holes in which to plant saplings. The details packed in this trailer are insane.

[@duncanhillzzz]

To me, the first sigil shown with the other symbol at the bottom is a visual metaphor for Marika and Radagon as the the two intertwining snakes and what's below them is strikingly similar to what a uterus looks like 🤔 it may have insight to the nature of their being

[@ATC43]

It really does like a Uterus! But also looks like a representation of the Crucible. Wings on the right, horns on the left, Tail on the bottom. Which would be fitting considering the Crucible is touted as the birthplace of life in The Lands Between. The general shape is also reminiscent of Marika's rune.

[@lordptk4115]

I love the uterus idea, it really quite looks like one. Though I don't know about connecting the double snakes to Marika/Radagon, as snakes are really not at all related to the two

[@duncanhillzzz]

​@@lordptk4115idk you never know. I only say that because snakes are considered blasphemous by the golden order so maybe the truth was hidden in the shadow. After all, the golden order is just a veil covering the lands between. The definition of the word gilded comes to mind. I think Marika has more skeletons in the closet than we've considered.

[@CanisNoobis]

One thing i have seen nobody mention pertaining to the Lion-dance boss is a potential connection to Godwyn. The lightning spear, the death-blighted breath (even what turned out to be Omen/Crucible horns looked like death-blight spikes on the first viewing), and even it's vacant, creepy stare is reminiscent of the Prince of Death. Lion iconography is generally associated with Godfrey's Golden lineage, so is it outside the realm of possibility Godfrey's son and Miquella's beloved half-brother could be important to some denizens of the land of Shadow?

[@Extremeties]

Man I can't wait to have that phenomenal experience of playing through this DLC for the first time just like that epic feeling of playing through Elden Ring the first time. Such an incredible experience.

[@danprentice7073]

Maybe Messmer was the founder of Dragon communion and was responsible for its expansion across the Landsbetween.

[@tupples2863]

Messmer fucked a dragon and got banished to the shadow realm

[@DatRealTom]

I don't know if anyone's been talking about this, but have you seen the similarities between the Bewitching Branch and that new pink incantation? When used on an enemy, the Bewitching Branch item shows bright pink visuals, identical to the color of the new incantation we see here. We also know the item is linked directly to Miquella through its description, which reveals that Miquella has the ability to compel affection, or love. Additionally, that new incantation features butterflies, or moths, which are of course also tied heavily to Miquella and Malenia. I think that new Incantation may be a new type, a "Love" or "Affection" type of incantation that applies some sort of status to those get hit by it. That status could be the same as the bewitching branch, or something similar. Will there be other new ways to apply this status too, like new Ashes of War? Personally I'm super stoked to start applying Love Grease to my Great Club.

[@IronGreatsword]

I agree. Seems like Bewitching Branch but covers a larger area or guaranteed coercion within a radius. "Mist of Enfatuation", "Love potion no° 9"? 😂

[@ianperry4974]

Already got my pre order in. Can’t friggin wait!

[@MultiEman21]

Me as well, this’ll be the first souls dlc I’m tackling with friends and can’t wait

[@yohnjates]

Been playing again just to get back in the swing of it. Gotta prepare

[@hhowdy]

Friggin

[@kingchongy1712]

Do you get to play it earlier? Do you get a discount? Are there limited amount of copies? Just curious as to why you preordered and couldn’t wait until the actual release date

[@AfkaSound]

My thoughts exactly, why would you pre-order in this day and age? Legit question. 😊

[@figo3554]

Seat of the sun makes me think it's a reference to night. The sun sitting down would be its place to rest so to speak, and where does the sun seem to go when it rests? Down. Weird theory ig but seemed pretty cool.

[@darellmawitjere]

That man on Painting with Hooded woman, probably a Leader or Elder of Numen people since all we know all Watchman was create by Numen. also im Elden ring there is mention about The ancient unnamed Dynasty on city of Noxtela. 🧐 his face also in statue on Moghwyn palace.

[@weebhunter9305]

What if Melina has done a reversed travel between the shadow lands, just like Miquella, body left behind in their respective worlds but the soul travels to the other, explaining why Melina gives us Torrent because she met Miquella in the other land. And the Erdtree and shadow tree is in the same place in both worlds and thats why Melina can more around on her own in our world because the space is stacked or resonates with the other

[@Ellemonadze]

Gloam-eyed Queen was the ruler of the Shadowlands and Marika grew the new suppling in opposition to her rule. That is my assumption

[@The-Black-Death]

Mark my words, Messmer will have a dragon form 2nd phase in his boss fight for sure.

[@Ellemonadze]

Grunbeld reference, ha?

[@coolfish420]

1:41 this symbol reminds me a lot of Marika's crucifixion. maybe it was a practice originating in the land of shadow, in a different form than we see in vanilla?

[@jamesg7456]

The first thing I thought of when I saw alternate messmer symbol was: the bottom looks like a cornucopia standing vertical with wings across the top that reminded me of the wings on Melanias helmet. A cornucopia symbolizes abundance.

[@AARon11414]

The Crucible, Time-warped Stones/Placidusax, Destined Death, Trina, Miquella, Mohg, Baldechin/Bedchamber Veil, and Miquella’s journey to revive Godwyn with the Eclipse (but why?). Which of these questions get answered (“answered”) in the DLC? I’m excited. Maybe all of those roads lead back to Trina….

[@Recoil1808]

As has been pointed out by Jack the Mimic, the relief on the wickerman DOES look a lot like a stylized sun.

[@KenobiStark1]

When Messmer said “I’m bout to Elden Ring, DLC!!” I felt that

[@erickespana5702]

The comparison of the erdtree with the sun is brilliant and has a lot of meaning if we think that the erdtree cover by a veil is the closest thing to an eclipse, and that Miquella tried to produce one

[@killerkazi78]

Maybe messmer started his own snake communion, like dragon communion. They do have same eyes

[@lolardwtf]

The Shield of the Sun could also be a double entendre as it's Messmer's realm. A city crowned by the sun could be a city that was conquered by a son, 'The Seat of the Sun is long faded away' could also be in association to Messmer being basically erased from history

[@bahamuto9035]

Melina and Messmer both have an eye closed

[@OMGitsTerasu]

The sigil underneath the dual serpents look like a twisted tree branch. It looks like a leaf is on the upper right side.

[@ShotShapeFitness]

The figure at the bottom of the sigil to me represents a womb. Likely to represent the royal bloodline of Merika. The snakes perhaps Mesmer's take that he comes from that line, but his "house" somehow is elevated above the rest of the Empyrians.

[@liamace1107]

The symbol under the dual snakes looks like a crucible knot of some variety

[@Anchor-Supreme]

I’m getting really big Dark World vibes from A Link to the Past with the Land of Shadow. I have a feeling that the Land of Shadow used to be a grand a glorious haven of peace, but Marika interrupted their peace either by introducing the Erdtree to the area or stealing an Erdtree away to the Lands Between. Either way, I have a gut feeling that the Land of Shadow most definitely was the Sun Realm or Land of the Sun prior to Marika’s meddling, which set in motion its fall from grace.

[@g.d.o.cjacrispy9166]

I saw his tweet about the fire ball in the sky and the only thing it could be is another flame of frenzy eye.

[@kithugomusic]

About the connections to dragons and lions. Moxie Watts mentioned a theory in her latest video (titled “unveiling the land of shadow") that Farum Azula potentially once was connected to the shaded crumbling castle since it has bridge at the top that is crumbling - leading to nowhere. Just like the bridge we wake up on at Farum Azula - after having set fire to the Erdtree -, also leadning to nowhere. I think this would answer how banished knights ended up in Farum, and so would be interesting to find some of those knights in the land of shadow. Do check Moxie’s video out!

[@svetlingueorguiev1198]

The snakes symbol reminds me of St. Trina's hair, as depicted on the sword.

[@landonw8982]

I’m pretty sure the yellow garbed king pulling his head off with that sword is some kind of god or lord of Death Blight , it’s the same color the wormfaces wear.

[@battlyan3470]

There is a sun in the sky casting the shadows, but the lore seems to focus more on the stars and moon.

[@randysavage3660]

Melina is Messmer

[@gpLOCKDOWN]

Gawd don't fuck my head like that man.

[@BasedHyperborean]

My favorite part of the DLC is the part where Messmer the Impaler says “It’s Messin’ time!” and Messes all over the place.

[@voltasvault8141]

That was the shield for my Banished Haligtree Knight Build.

[@the-hermit-arcana]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but the spear encircled by twisting snakes in the "main" sigil from the box art make me think of Caduceus, the staff of Hermes, which is a symbol of healing. This new sigil is also evocative of some (older) depictions of Caduceus. The staff Caduceus also had the power to make anyone fall asleep, or wake them up. The prevalence of St. Trina's lilies in the same trailer might be some kind of reference though that's probably a big reach. This coupled by Miyazaki's (translated) comment that Messmer was a "heroic" figure (in the vein of Radahn and Malenia etc) makes me wonder at his motives, or at least how Messmer himself views his actions (as "healing"). If he was really the first burner of the Erdtree, we know in fact that he was right, and we later do the same ourselves in order to set the Lands Between right (or not).

[@chesksouls]

1:15 Aren't those decorations to the left and to the right supposed to represent wings? 2:00 We all know the the Roundtable Hold we travel to is different from the Lyndell one. What if it's related to the land of shadow? I think more characters that died or may have died before are related to it as well. The game starts with multiple tarnished being revived. Tarnished who are later summoned to the Roundtable Hold. It would make sense that's somehow related to death. From what we gather, Miquella's body is also dead, but he lives in spirit, like Ranni. I believe Melina is also in the same situation. 4:20 Aren't there multiple Two-Finger decorations in the Altar of Dragon Communions? Wouldn't imply that at some point dragon communion was accepted by the golden order?

[@kingkerfuffle3173]

I get the feeling Messmer and Melina are twins. Aside from Godwyn who was her literal golden child, Merika gave birth to twins she gave “M” names. The omen twins Morgott and Mohg. The afflicted twins Miquella and Melania. If this theory is right the smoldering twins Messmer and Melina.

[@ALex-hb2qf]

Hi, Theory 1 : the tree in the lands of shadows is the original "crucible" great-tree, the one which Melina burnt when she had a body. The GW erdtree grew above it, and it's the erdtree's light that we see above the veils. The veil was placed to hide the fact the original tree was still there, and Messmer is there to keep the lands of shadow in their current hidden state. Theory 1bis : Messmer is the one who burnt the tree with the help of Melina back then. Possibly Melina's twin brother, which would explain that when Messmer was erased from history books, Melina got the same treatment. Theory 2 : the tree in the lands of shadows is the erdtree's "evil twin". Marika grew both in the lands of shadows - a distant isle - and took only the "light" tree in the lands between, leaving a light-eating tree in that island. Theory 2bis : Miquella could not reincarnate in the lands between, due to the fact the rune of rebirth is in the hands of Rennala, and not on the GW-elden-ring. His soul reached the shadow-tree so he could reincarnate under the rules of a shadow-elden-ring. Theory 3 : moving the stars allows to travel in a parallel dimension - and Radhan blocked this so far. The lands of shadow was ruled by GW/Marika until they moved by dimension breach, so the background lore is absolutely not related. The "veil" in the sky is in fact trails left by the dimension breach.

[@rumvirus7057]

To see the veil that hides the shadow land is amazing. Makes u think we could have been looking at the shadow land the whole time

[@ghousejetsfan]

I think the moon present in the weird worm creature shot is kind of interesting too. Not only is the sun, a big piece of imagery but the moon has also been quite a factor. Also, I might be crazy but doesn't torrent. Always have a spirit trail when you're riding on him. I believe I didn't see you spirit trail in the beginning of that trailer

[@minikat2769]

I wonder if the collector's edition sigil is actually an alliance between different factions, there's just so many elements in it (in comparison to others) that I have to at least contemplate a Miquella (braid crown), Messmer (impalement) and third party alliance sigil.

[@TheChef_isCookin]

1:40 that symbol kinda reminds me of the shape of the womb in the Haligtree Miquella was ripped from. The design has branch-like qualities to it and the shape of the hole is pretty similar after looking up a pic of the womb to remind myself. I could be - and probably am - totally wrong, but thought I'd throw it out there as an idea

[@wolfknight8671]

Dude I got that shield drop the other day and honestly first thought was that's a nod to darksouls

[@Sewjee]

I always wonder after every game what comes after. It just gets bigger and better.

[@AdamEdenhofer-lu5mx]

Perhaps the dragon communion cathedral was originally part of farum azula and fell down to the lands between.

[@fforrespect7722]

Fun fact : in arabic mesmir is a similar word in arabic “مسمار" which means Nail which might explain the name Nail(mesmer) the impaler.

[@BOOGIEWOOGIE6205]

Symbol at the bottoms looks like the shed skin of Eiglay

[@moognothing5341]

The bottom of the insignia looks like a uterus like wreath, probably referencing his loyalty to his mother Marika

[@jlwhitti15]

I’m just waiting for something lore about a “Realm of Light” and that “The Lands Between” are (or were) some kind of connection between the two realms.

[@marvcollins7842]

Messmer reminds me of Genichiro a lot. Genichiro would "seize any manner of heretical strength" for the sake of his land, much to the disapproval of Isshin. Messmer has his own collection of heretical powers, but perhaps he sees them as useful in service to Marika. Marika might consider this misguided, which is why he has been hidden/erased from the Lands Between and exiled to the Land of Shadow.

[@zachtaylor5312]

I hope the DLC changes combat to have more depth than just roll-spam, attack, repeat. Hopefully some new mechanics.

[@SeaShellSage]

Maybe, the thing underneath the twin snakes is similar to the wicker man hand, a torch and the snakes represent his fire or something, or even a flower stem and petals but from a side view

[@sammyt555]

The bottom part of the sigil looks like a horn of plenty/cornucopia. Symbol of Abundance maybe?

[@CloudZhao229]

is that...Frieren?

[@Gatchu137]

Lol I didn't even notice

[@darkmystic7764]

The thing beneath the snakes makes me think of the crucible

[@russellbell6308]

I might be crazy but im pretty sure both mesmers snakes and the snake sigil both have wings. Its pretty much the same snakes too since the symbol only has one wing on eitger snake, which matches mesmers snake wings being asymetric

[@HardDylan]

I hope they do more with frenzy and make it were we can use it to some sort of degree of npc

[@sealswimswim354]

I just want Mesmer’s remembrance items. Imagine, summoning fiery spears! 🔥

[@flugga182]

I think the depiction on the shield of the sun realm is the building after Godrick arena, the one where you cannot wield your weapon and has the throne. Looking from the arena you can see it has the big rounded central tower, the two side towers and the door with the triangle top as well.

[@lharsay]

I always thought of the Sun Realm Shield as a reference to Dark Souls.

[@amwazdraws6890]

the area with the lion statues is probably the one where you fight the lion dance creature as a major boss, since the trees are looking similar

[@vance4172]

I hope the chest piece on the knight in the thumbnail is the new veterans armor poise equivalent

[@ATC43]

The sigil at 1:40 definitely gave me Crucible knot talisman vibes. Concerning the crucible imagery with lions and the dancer puppet we'll fight: I'm starting to think that the Beast Lord that Godfrey defeated was Serosh, whose soul he then grafted onto his own in order to become kinglier. Sort of a subversion of the expectation that a human would be more civilized than a beast. Or that the civilization that came before the more "advanced" one of the Golden Order was less developed. In fact, the animalistic Horah Loux needed the Beast Regent Serosh, who helped lead the previous Crucible civilization, to calm his feral behavior.

[@titaniumteddybear]

I think we're going to get a 5th Talisman Pouch in the DLC. Miyazaki said we were going to get a new equipment slot. If we also get a 5th Talisman Pouch the UI on our equipment tab will be a neat 5X6 instead of a janky combination of 4X5 and 2X4.

[@davidadams8147]

I would love to see longer videos. I find myself having to listen to videos more than once sometimes

[@TJuice1986]

Loving the content, keep it coming!

[@rampagesnowite5380]

Just a few things that have jumped out at me on my latest play through that seem like they could be connected to the dlc setting. In Jarburg, when talking to Jar Bairn, he quotes his Uncle Alexander, saying, "my home is of the past. And the past, as they say, is a different country." Seems a little too on the nose to me. I also noticed one of the spirit nobles that give flavor texts says something interesting. In the Weeping Peninsula, outside the church of pilgrimage, one of them is talking about the mausoleums, Marika, and the demigods inside and says something to the effect of, "he is your unwanted child" perhaps referencing Messmer

[@greentshirtsblujeans]

uh...those are literally wings growing out of the snakes in the middle of the new icon. That's what they are

[@ChaosUnleashed265]

cant wait to get my hands on a pair of reverse grip katanas. Ima be A medieval Ashoka Tano

[@hugoguzman4985]

It's a womb. The symbol at the bottom is a womb. EDIT: Honestly, I gotta hand it to you, Zio. You've become my top Elden Ring creator! Your output is consistent, frequent and ALWAYS high quality, and you never publish a video with nothing new to say.

[@miguelangelcote9168]

That impaled man was likely impaled by Messmer. I don't think he's a boss, somebody else will be the boss in that room

[@TomClarke1995]

Oh Mesmer is definitely having a phase where he turns into a dragon. We gotta see what happens when a demigod turns into one, since non demigods just turn into wyrms

[@Sonsvision]

Would be cool if Eleonora was from the same dragon faction as Messmer, considering she wears the drake knight armor and uses dragon incantations ! (I realize this might be a stretch)

[@thelastcheetomaster6954]

Dude in vati's new video he explains the blind can see things others can. Like mogh found the mother of truth (forgot the other name) because his horn impaled his eye. Mesmer also only has one eye. Has he found a new god? What did he see?

[@KalkuehlUncut]

But the snakes have wings. The S shapes are probably the wings in a artistic way.

[@orangerightgold7512]

the snakes do have wings in the sigil. its right there in the middle.

[@Ziostorm]

Oh good point I guess those do kinda look like wings

[@jayp8321]

I hope we see more frenzied flame lore and weapons

[@Troan_kyr_am]

When you mesmerize someone you charm them, both Trina and Mikala are known to charm. Maybe through blasphemy Mesmer was born a child of Mikala and Saint Trina.

[@smlel8293]

6:20 the semi arc in the back must be incomplete and maybe was used with a solar disk. Yes I am doing connections with the Solar Disk from Shurima in League of Legends

[@jesseguertin1158]

It would make sense with the land of shadow being the seat of the sun. What does a sprout need to begin its growth process? Sun. Perhaps Marika had the erdtree here until it grew past adolescence.

[@Soulsinquisitive]

The mention of "...the Seat of the Sun..." could also be a play on words as well it's more literal meaning as you explained. I believe it may also be a hint at Messmer and his rule in the Land is Shadow with it referring to this castle as the place in which he reigns.

[@jujubeanz009]

I hate how everyone overlooks the only other serpent character, Rykard, WHO had a vision of the future of a serpent devouring the world. Messmer could very well be that serpent given all that we’ve seen. Just saying.

[@catlover7466]

First i wanted to see wtf Shadow of the Erdtree actually was, now that I see it’s an actual place I realized that Elden Ring does weird things with the flow of time Messmer could be in the past

[@steamedhamlet]

The symbol under the 2 snakes looks like Eiglay to me

[@ghostpsb]

“The erd tree choked them out” 😂