The Enchiridion by Epictetus (Audio Book)

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@privateequityguy
@privateequityguy 2 жыл бұрын
*“Wealth consists not in having great possessions, but in having few wants.” ―Epictetus*
@AlexGarrido
@AlexGarrido 10 жыл бұрын
Epictetus is my favorite philosopher of all the times. A slave who became the teacher of one of the greatest emperors humanity has produced, Marcos Aurelius. My life changed thanks to this valuable philosophy.
@mohamedmohamedymob
@mohamedmohamedymob 10 жыл бұрын
Stop android apps
@nicholassceusa1681
@nicholassceusa1681 10 жыл бұрын
Mohamed Mohamedy And so you are content with what you have and are at peace, and not a slave because you are not governed by what you can not control. Did it ever occur to you that a little planning and some forethought might save you some of the things that happen because you are not in control?
@thehermit3162
@thehermit3162 7 жыл бұрын
Yes of course , Our home is solar power, we harvest rain water and recycle it with a product called the BIOlan and we compost our waste. We can not be shut down by the Government that has taken away our human rights by forcing us to but a negative conveyance on our land that states we can never have city water on the land and we can not have a flush toilet in our home. Why, because we would not install a septic tank and septic field , a device that would only pollute the lake we live on so we could not do that and so we are attacked by the Government . We live in Canada people ! Free your selves of course they fear that. Bring back the soil , save the water and lets stop shitting in it. That's there biggest fear that one day there wont be enough people to push the shit through the pipe. mike
@Archonsx
@Archonsx 4 жыл бұрын
He was still a slave, in a different situation.
@captainomoplata643
@captainomoplata643 2 жыл бұрын
Epictetus taught Aurelius?
@joeylee2891
@joeylee2891 Жыл бұрын
Just discovered this. Excellent timeless wisdom. Hold the world loosely. Acceptance. Don't get your buttons pushed. Do without. Stay centered. These things happen. Don't be mastered by your passions. A deep, satisfying read requiring a lot of concentration, a tiny portion at a time.
@hussienmohammed2914
@hussienmohammed2914 10 ай бұрын
A lot of concentration really. Since every point he makes holds definitions to unpack the truth of later points. Which makes thr points he is making denser and denser as he move along towards the end of the book. In the first point, he consider body as others...which explains in point 14 when he says in order to be free you'd have to wish or decline nothing as long as it depends on others. All is others except mind (opinion, memory, knowledge).
@infidelaperion3699
@infidelaperion3699 11 жыл бұрын
Reading this through the first time, I think there's a lot more to this work than merely becoming emotionally distant and attached from life. I think Epictetus' underlying point is this: By all means become attached to life and the people around you. But, do not become so attached that a change in life results in harm to oneself by oneself. Strive for living insofar as you are capable of achieving what you set out to do. But, if things do not go as planned, do not be upset or angry. We should know that life does not go as we would like it to. And so, in recognition of this fact, we must learn to accept changes and move on, not in apathy, but in acceptance that there are some things beyond our control. It is meaningless for us to be upset with ourselves concerning things we neither caused nor could prevent.
@ciobalina7445
@ciobalina7445 11 ай бұрын
Yes, that's what I understood as well
@hobobum1216
@hobobum1216 6 жыл бұрын
Whoever did the voice work reads like a G. Straight up
@SilvaBullet770
@SilvaBullet770 6 жыл бұрын
hobobum1216 idk bro, personally i feel like real G’s are silent like lasagna
@marshalkrieg2664
@marshalkrieg2664 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone should listen to this at least three times and then the world will be a much better place.
@Moribus_Artibus
@Moribus_Artibus Жыл бұрын
"If you don't act right, shun the action itself, but if you do, why are you afraid of those who censure you wrongly?"
@anar747m
@anar747m Жыл бұрын
Awesome 👍
@johnmiller7453
@johnmiller7453 8 жыл бұрын
This may have come in the nick of time to save something of a life that feels it's gone down the tubes. I might never have been motivated in the past but I'm hearing all this loud and clear finally. One needs something intense enough to motivate. Thanks so much for sharing this.
@nanananananan-z6b
@nanananananan-z6b 7 жыл бұрын
john miller So freaking glad to hear that there are others whom are benefiting from such a text. I hope it all goes well for you John.
@johnmiller7453
@johnmiller7453 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Victor, same for you my friend.
@johnmiller7453
@johnmiller7453 6 жыл бұрын
Just to update a year + later. I'm still working on the Stoic path. I've made small but consistent steps in progress. I feel less anxiety, fear and hopelessness but my life situation has gotten harder/more difficult actually. Plus I know now that the door is always open.
@arielwertlen6709
@arielwertlen6709 6 жыл бұрын
Good luck on your journey John.
@robertareid8949
@robertareid8949 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnmiller7453 Thank you so much for the update of your life.
@fraidoonw
@fraidoonw 7 жыл бұрын
The Enchiridion is and will be one of the greatest Human writings! Bravo!
@CarolR-uy6jc
@CarolR-uy6jc Жыл бұрын
👍
@hussienmohammed2914
@hussienmohammed2914 10 ай бұрын
a good via negativia philosophy, no doubt, but what about via positivia?? Why to consider many things to be others and have no control upon, like one's body, friends and family and strangers?? When in fact we always do have a share in controlling those to a certain degree wither we like it or not. Those makes up the most significant part of the nature one is urged to live in accordance with.
@dezia1403
@dezia1403 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding 1, let me turn you guys onto something so real. Others' love is not ours, it is their love which they choose to share with us. Our love is ours, and we choose to share it.
@gt4748
@gt4748 8 жыл бұрын
I love listening to this sometimes in the morning before I start my day. The terrible irony of any philosophy is that the more you depend on it, the more you serve it, and the more you become a slave to it, but you can't stop trying.
@HenryEllisonHoweyJr
@HenryEllisonHoweyJr 2 жыл бұрын
A key lesson in Enchiridion, and a crucial part of reaching Stoic-style enlightenment, is limiting your desires and aversions. Wanting things to go a certain way will often lead to disappointment, which leads to being upset with the cause of that disappointment, which is nature.
@jordanlowe123192
@jordanlowe123192 10 жыл бұрын
I listen to this all the time and while im going to sleep! THANK YOU
@davidandrews3577
@davidandrews3577 3 жыл бұрын
Perfectly drafted. Perfectly translated. Perfectly narrated. Thankyou !
@atomixfang
@atomixfang 3 жыл бұрын
People have never needed to listen to this more than right now with the pandemic, im trying to follow 1% of what epictitus says and ive found it to be invaluable.
@pinotnoir4234
@pinotnoir4234 3 жыл бұрын
100% very calming
@hussienmohammed2914
@hussienmohammed2914 10 ай бұрын
Which pandemic? Covid or narcissism?
@lisbeth9668
@lisbeth9668 7 жыл бұрын
I sleep to this every night hoping to gain knowledge through osmosis😆.
@thehermit3162
@thehermit3162 7 жыл бұрын
same here
@lisbeth9668
@lisbeth9668 7 жыл бұрын
The Hermit brother!
@ghostaskrens7012
@ghostaskrens7012 5 жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one.
@rizzamaeong
@rizzamaeong 5 жыл бұрын
i sleep listening to Marcus Aurelius. Sometimes Seneca and Aristotle too.
@nathantoy5711
@nathantoy5711 5 жыл бұрын
@@rizzamaeong does it work?
@cormoranlee
@cormoranlee 6 жыл бұрын
This is the best narration and translation in my opinion. I love it.
@dotdashdotdash
@dotdashdotdash 2 жыл бұрын
agreed
@destroydate7887
@destroydate7887 6 жыл бұрын
To be listened to every day before work. This, and Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.
@roman14032
@roman14032 10 жыл бұрын
this is REAL WISDOM IT'S ALWAYS TOUGH TO HEAR
@enigmapublius6638
@enigmapublius6638 10 жыл бұрын
What a pleasure to listen to this recording! I confess I had not read Epictetus for many years, and found this to be as the return of an old and valued friend. Thank you for sharing! Cheers!
@browngoldthread1239
@browngoldthread1239 Ай бұрын
My mind has been all over the place while listening to this.
@Greg021153
@Greg021153 3 жыл бұрын
Control...not in control...not a simple yes/no equation...that's what makes living an art as much as a science...
@HappyQuailsLC
@HappyQuailsLC 5 жыл бұрын
This is the problem with these readings, no matter how well done in other ways... they need to be read no faster than we can comprehend and consider its meankng before going onto the next component of the thought. This necessitates a slower pace but not nevessarily a slower enumciation of each sjngle word, and pauses for thought. Many readers of old works from the UK do an amazing job of this. I would suggest that anyone who wants to do this kind of work seek them out and hear many of them, to be able to compare them and discover what males the best ones, best.
@kingcletusthecatfish
@kingcletusthecatfish 11 жыл бұрын
You don't understand. Attachment causes suffering, stoics avoided this by removing attachment.
@shirleyjust3305
@shirleyjust3305 4 жыл бұрын
We have hundreds of self-help books today, so I asked myself Why? They were educated enough to know who the philosopher's were.
@browngoldthread1239
@browngoldthread1239 Ай бұрын
If EVERYONE in America could learn THIS, we would be Great Again 🎉
@Rohit-ez7ph
@Rohit-ez7ph 4 жыл бұрын
I’m thankful for this recording and the wisdom shared! It so resonates with the tranquility within me!
@lisbeth9668
@lisbeth9668 7 жыл бұрын
I still listen to this every night.
@therelaxingchannel8852
@therelaxingchannel8852 3 жыл бұрын
Do you still listen to this every night?
@lisbeth9668
@lisbeth9668 3 жыл бұрын
@@therelaxingchannel8852 not every night, it inspired me to get audible and i’ve since listened to over 3000 hours of books :D
@andrealfarrow6726
@andrealfarrow6726 Жыл бұрын
A better person to read this will never be found.
@nelsonianb1289
@nelsonianb1289 9 ай бұрын
Thankful i found this channel!
@ceeareone
@ceeareone 9 жыл бұрын
Simply great!best book I read about stoicism so far...
@monsterjesse
@monsterjesse 5 жыл бұрын
yup putting this on the reading list for my son when he's born
@theevil6252
@theevil6252 5 жыл бұрын
Amen 👌
@jam0ul
@jam0ul 2 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest books ever 🙏🌹
@Ahibasabala
@Ahibasabala 6 жыл бұрын
'If you kiss your child or your wife, say that you only kiss things which are human, and thus you will not be disturbed if either of them dies' - Epictetus As much as i respect the wisdom that can be found in stoicism, surely such an attitude as this is self-delusional at best, and a completely erroneous pathway in life at worst. This may work for the ceramic cup mentioned, for the material goods of this life, but for our loved ones? come on. What value does a life have if you are so frightened to lose what you love, that you pretend they have less value than they actually do? We're going to die anyway, we may as well love with passion, not this lukewarm attitude which is purely designed to save us from pain, what a limp and monochrome life such would be, if we feel nothing for the most important things.
@ronskibeatable
@ronskibeatable 6 жыл бұрын
Ahiba Sabala I'm not sure this philosophy was created to make you feel nothing for people, but maybe to make you feel less for them. The NHS in Britain use cognitive behavioural therapy (which was originally based on the ideas of Stoicism) to help people get over anxiety, depression and personality disorders. And due to life being a tragedy to those that feel too much, it is a great idea to practice the works of the likes of Epictetus to bring you up to were most people are in terms of sensitivity to life or others, thus balancing the status quo. I agree with you though that if you're already fairly content with your life then this philosphy may do more harm than good, but horses for courses I suppose.
@anthonyfrade5203
@anthonyfrade5203 6 жыл бұрын
Stoicism is good for leaders and people who have great responsibilities over the life of others. Such people cannot have the luxury of passions. Passion is for the plebs whose decisions will likely not harm others. Reason does extinguish passion but beware because you must take the good passions with the bad. Your love always ends in sorrow because no love lasts forever. The greater your love the greater the inevitable sorrow.
@lucasheimgartner9919
@lucasheimgartner9919 5 жыл бұрын
Well, there are a few interpretations of this statement. The point he is making is that the loss of the thing (cup, child, wife) is not itself a bad thing, only our perception of it is what makes it bad. He is not saying that you should not love intensely, just that if that love is lost, you should not feel overly mournful, as that love is not in our control. But yeah, stoics so get a bad rap for being emotionless, even though that’s not the whole story.
@Amivgr1
@Amivgr1 4 жыл бұрын
This is wonderfully sleep provoking
@wowggscrub
@wowggscrub 11 жыл бұрын
yes it also ties into Buddhist philosophy in causes of suffering.
@lovenikolatesla846
@lovenikolatesla846 3 жыл бұрын
Listening to this again it's a good reminder to all.
@ROFLOLGAMER
@ROFLOLGAMER 8 жыл бұрын
A Librivox recording with inflections!
@elliotgold
@elliotgold 5 жыл бұрын
ROFLOLGAMER yes!
@808peps
@808peps 4 жыл бұрын
Knowledge obtained is not malleable because settled thoughts are refining. To serve purpose is the point, please stop purposely serving.
@EdvardBolaasMusic
@EdvardBolaasMusic 12 жыл бұрын
"If you kiss your child, or your wife, say that you only kiss things which are human, and thus you will not be disturbed if either of them dies." wow... that's messed up...
@tonycosta3336
@tonycosta3336 4 жыл бұрын
No its not
@EdvardBolaasMusic
@EdvardBolaasMusic 4 жыл бұрын
@@tonycosta3336 Ok mr. Edgy
@haroldskolnick4520
@haroldskolnick4520 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it appears hard at first.
@JustinKunst
@JustinKunst 10 жыл бұрын
Great reading sir - fantastic book!
@MariaColling-g2d
@MariaColling-g2d Жыл бұрын
Very interesting the second chapter. Its very useful for personal proposals too.
@IsabelRodriguez-nv2ue
@IsabelRodriguez-nv2ue Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for such an eloquent and clear well paced reading of this masterpiece It truly helps in approaching life maintaining harmony with ALL. Thanks again for a great reading!!!
@globetrotterwoman4176
@globetrotterwoman4176 8 жыл бұрын
Wonderful and so true, the words of Epictetus!
@orangeiceice12
@orangeiceice12 11 жыл бұрын
No, it's not. It's noble. It's like when we're kids, and our ball rolls into the street; when it gets crushed, we cry. When we are emotionally mature, we no longer cry. So it is with the death of any being that was made to die.
@wolfdwarf
@wolfdwarf 8 жыл бұрын
Isn't there a subtle irony in the need to say that this recording is in the public domain?
@jeckhapflap9801
@jeckhapflap9801 8 жыл бұрын
lol very
@selmo6376
@selmo6376 5 жыл бұрын
@John Cavanaugh Indeed !!!
@ryanhanvey1167
@ryanhanvey1167 2 жыл бұрын
This changed my life
@nicholassceusa1681
@nicholassceusa1681 10 жыл бұрын
Nothing matters, and when nothing matters you don't give a damn what happens. You are at peace. This is particularly so if you realize that not much is going to be in your control. Didn't they break this fellow's legs, and he said "no matter, it is beyond my control and so it is inconsequent."
@voicesofantiquity
@voicesofantiquity 2 ай бұрын
One of my favourites
@janegoodall2520
@janegoodall2520 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for such an intelligent reading
@antoniobarbalau1107
@antoniobarbalau1107 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Thank you very much ♥️
@LSD25LOVE
@LSD25LOVE 8 жыл бұрын
I was told this book teaches you how to kiss princesses?? Adventure time? Fin gets to read the secret in the enchiridion? We will see....
@gabrielguitiánestrella
@gabrielguitiánestrella 5 жыл бұрын
@@edwardholohan9447 whoosh
@BakingAndGhibli
@BakingAndGhibli 4 жыл бұрын
The episode about stoicism is actually "Puhoy"
@carlosvaldivieso5307
@carlosvaldivieso5307 3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever noticed that there’s a date written in the back of the book in the show? And the date is this year.
@lar2875
@lar2875 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlosvaldivieso5307 what do you think it means
@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp
@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp 7 ай бұрын
Doing a deep dive.... watching stoic criticism videos.... Nearly all had the comments turned off.
@browngoldthread1239
@browngoldthread1239 Ай бұрын
I wish I would've heard this 50 (cringe) years ago. However, THANK YOU, I HEARD IT TODAY!😊 THANK YOU.
@wonderlust3550
@wonderlust3550 4 жыл бұрын
Me: Panders to external musings Epicetus: Seems kinda stupid to me
@nadeasalvatore
@nadeasalvatore 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you .. I really appreciate this
@cwaldruff83
@cwaldruff83 11 жыл бұрын
Read or listen daily even if it is all you do
@ivymeadows1944
@ivymeadows1944 2 жыл бұрын
If you have assumed any character above your strength, you have both made an ill figure in that, and quitted one which you might have supported Damn
@Platochidi
@Platochidi 2 жыл бұрын
I def still hear slave stuff in his beliefs. Platos republic is wayyyu better. But this is still pretty darn good... I like the ship analogy so far... 👌
@wowggscrub
@wowggscrub 11 жыл бұрын
I agree It caught me by surprise as well.
@AbcDef-jh7rw
@AbcDef-jh7rw Жыл бұрын
The line about the wife or kid dying was a bit... Well... Idk
@hussienmohammed2914
@hussienmohammed2914 10 ай бұрын
a good via negativia philosophy, no doubt, but what about via positivia?? Why to consider many things to be others and have no control upon, like one's body, friends and family and strangers?? When in fact we always do have a share in controlling those to a certain degree wither we like it or not. Those makes up the most significant part of the nature one is urged to live in accordance with.
@jamesschmidt2817
@jamesschmidt2817 7 ай бұрын
With the body there are certain aspects you can control, and others you cannot. You can control what you put into your body, what you eat, exercise etc however you can’t fully control things such as a broken leg, birth deficiencies, amputation stuff like that. But rather control what you can and endure/live with the rest. You can control who you are friends with and even family you associate with, however you can’t control their actions and how they choose to lead their lives.
@hussienmohammed2914
@hussienmohammed2914 7 ай бұрын
@@jamesschmidt2817 what we can control and understand is actually what we call life. Misunderstanding more resembles death than life. However, there is a variation of death that we seem to understand (like suicide, murder, haunting, chemistry..etc)
@andrealfarrow6726
@andrealfarrow6726 Жыл бұрын
Vulgar manner, vulgar entertainment is not called evil? I agree not using vulgar language or going to see the public vulgar things of the now to be best yet I know vulgar best as another word for evil. I understand things vs action and deeds are certainly different yet it's good to say little here and agree to differences of experiences and/or opinions. I agree with him on almost everything and when I don't I can definitely see why he would see things in the manner he did...not vulgar. I'm only so pragmatic.
@browngoldthread1239
@browngoldthread1239 Ай бұрын
Listening to this on 🔵 Blue Tooth, it's like... PEOPLE REPELLENT.🎉😂
@internetamenhotep
@internetamenhotep Жыл бұрын
This is what Finn was reading in adventure time. No shit.
@gatesofdis
@gatesofdis 2 ай бұрын
Mark Hoppus?
@ninjareflex
@ninjareflex 6 жыл бұрын
9:26 I'm surprised hotels existed back then
@johnmiller7453
@johnmiller7453 6 жыл бұрын
Nothing has changed. They were just like us back then.
@hoodparticles
@hoodparticles 2 жыл бұрын
I listen to this alot
@johnduarte3286
@johnduarte3286 7 жыл бұрын
Good reader.Very good, really.
@browngoldthread1239
@browngoldthread1239 Ай бұрын
I'm going thru some kind of awakening. ( Or something)
@fusion9619
@fusion9619 4 жыл бұрын
the enchilada?
@soifonbankai
@soifonbankai 9 жыл бұрын
I like a lot of the things Epictetus has to say, but other things sound a bit extremist and even a little cultish. Maybe because he was slave he needed to be that way. A lot of his philosophy sounds useful for anyone to apply , but that "be a philosopher or don't" all or nothing attitude rubs me the wrong way. Just my noobish opinion lol (How's my English? I Failed English 155. Couldn't or didn't want to write essays.)
@3m0k1d4evr
@3m0k1d4evr 8 жыл бұрын
Your English is pretty good.
@wolfdwarf
@wolfdwarf 8 жыл бұрын
+Poly Eurasian Many ancient philosophers are extreme, as they had little time to do philosophy. Philosophy was serious business. They did not have the crazy amount of free time we have. Leisure for us as laziness, for them it was philosophy.
@soifonbankai
@soifonbankai 8 жыл бұрын
+wolfdwarf Yeah, I used to think philosophers were asking silly questions like, "What is the nature of a rock?". "What is essence of blue?".Now I would say political/ moral philosophy is still serious business. Is an ideology anything more than a bunch of people adopting someone else's or a few peoples philosophy?
@fraidoonw
@fraidoonw 7 жыл бұрын
wonderful...thanks!
@aleksandrakosobucka7319
@aleksandrakosobucka7319 9 ай бұрын
Epictetus reduced all philosophy to these two great heads, SUSTAIN and ABSTAIN ; follow God`s Will with all one`s power.
@kiarapullen4298
@kiarapullen4298 Жыл бұрын
Dis what Finn was reading, okay period
@encyclopediaofreligion6115
@encyclopediaofreligion6115 3 жыл бұрын
I find this very interesting but i am not sure if i can apply his teachings 100%. A lot of the the things he says sound very similar to what a buddist would say.
@d1ssolv3r
@d1ssolv3r 2 жыл бұрын
Why not?
@cwaldruff83
@cwaldruff83 11 жыл бұрын
The base of peace
@Mgonz9034
@Mgonz9034 12 күн бұрын
This has everything to do with Examination of Conscience
@oswalker1543
@oswalker1543 6 жыл бұрын
Liberty, through desolation. It's only after you've lost everything are you free to do anything.
@teddyscribner4742
@teddyscribner4742 5 жыл бұрын
Gotta do my monk homework.
@giovannijohnson5944
@giovannijohnson5944 5 жыл бұрын
Teddy Scribner Same lmao, @Elisha Long
@randypeppercorn1865
@randypeppercorn1865 4 жыл бұрын
I wish Taco Bell would bring back the Enchiridion...sigh
@Audio-Books
@Audio-Books 6 жыл бұрын
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@southchum101
@southchum101 10 жыл бұрын
Adventure Time!!!!!!!!!!!
@philosophycoaching8002
@philosophycoaching8002 6 жыл бұрын
southchum101 how
@datboi7160
@datboi7160 6 жыл бұрын
FINN AND JACK
@dudanunesbleff
@dudanunesbleff 6 жыл бұрын
Ethan Anderson, Finn also has an "Inchiridion" . The guide for heroes. But he uses it only to sit on whenever the grass is wet, so he gives it to a bear that wishes to be like him.
@supersasquatch
@supersasquatch Жыл бұрын
The vulgars abound and life is a navigation
@jamesschmidt2817
@jamesschmidt2817 Жыл бұрын
47:15
@JohnBender1313
@JohnBender1313 5 жыл бұрын
L O G O S
@masterkat6929
@masterkat6929 9 ай бұрын
Adventure time brought me here
@frankstancatto2662
@frankstancatto2662 11 жыл бұрын
I agree that is messed up. Nevertheless the rest is pretty good stuff.
@Paretozen
@Paretozen 6 жыл бұрын
47:10 - 50
@chrismcdaniel475
@chrismcdaniel475 2 жыл бұрын
Epictetus reminds me of the Buddha.
@cellfaware30
@cellfaware30 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah forgive me Epictetus, the message is great BUT I'm kinda a bit more fond of my children and loved ones than other humans so I'm afraid u lost me after the ceramic cup 🥴😁
@jmstudios6716
@jmstudios6716 6 жыл бұрын
6:05 bookmark
@daithisogood
@daithisogood 10 жыл бұрын
wisdom is only that wich makes sense to the listener , i came here from the deicide. all hail dave
@TheTaoofEternalWar
@TheTaoofEternalWar 9 жыл бұрын
Well....good stuff, no doubt. We have to ask ourselves, however, why nature put all these dark emotions into us to begin with. They must serve some purpose, these demons of lust, anger, sadness, self pity, envy etc... Else they would not be so universal, else evolution would not have favored them as she so obviously has. Alas, do these demons not often serve to get us fed, laid, perhaps even loved? The philosophy of Epictetus served its master well, in that its master was a slave. My personal philosophy differs greatly, I must admit. That being said, I will pull out some Epictetus, when the circumstances call for resignation.
@MrFreakboymccarthy
@MrFreakboymccarthy 9 жыл бұрын
The "dark emotions", as you put it, are always "up to you". Fear, for example, is only "dark" if you choose to view that situation unproportionally to the actual threat (afraid of a mouse say) or act like a fool around something that is really dangerous (a man with a gun for example). Lust is only "dark" if you choose to mistreat your spouse (have an affair for example). Envy is only "dark" if you don't learn more about yourself etc. They are only "dark" because of your character and your choices. A wise person utilizes the "dark emotions" and lives a virtuous life (what the ancients called Eudaimonia) - hence Shakespeares famous Stoic inspired line "Give me that man,That is not passion's slave, and I will wear him In my heart's core, ay, in my heart of heart". Emotions for the Stoics have more to do with actions than sensations: pretty obvious given that we have sensations during all walking life that have nothing to do with emotions. That is, emotions for the Stoics exist in-the-world. They are not "in us". Emotions relate to what the Stoics called "indifferent items". For example if I am disgusted by the look of an apple, then the indifferent item is the apple and my disgust necessarily relates to the apple. By "indifferent" the Stoics mean having no intrinsic moral value. A simple way to understand this is with the example of Parental love. Parental love necessarily means you have/had a child. Here your relation to the child is the indifferent item. That is, parental love doesn't exist as a sensation, let alone "in us" or in "the mind". For the Stoics that relation to you child has no moral intrinsic value (unlike you and the child who do). Rather parental love exists through your actions, or in social space one might say (your behavior around the indifferent item). However, although the indifferent items don't have "intrinsic moral value" they do have "instrumental moral value". Just as a hammer has instrumental value for hammering some nails into a piece of wood (you use it for something), the social relation to your child has instrumental value for the choices you make concerning the child: It is up to you whether you choose to act virtuously around your child for example (this is why the indifferent items have "instrumental value", They are "instruments" for your "choices" - and unwise choices lead to what you called "dark emotions"). For example parents who abuse their children use the social relation (the indifferent item) unwisely and the abuse is a product of their character and choices (the parents intrinsic moral value, which in this example is filled with vice) Finally Evolutionary theory has its roots in Cartesianism and is based around the "nature" and "nature" divide that the Stoics would not understand. When the Stoics discuss "nature" they mean both nature (social upbringing) and nurture (biological constitution). Man is necessarily a social animal for the Stoics (unlike Cartesianism), and mankind is part of the lager whole: the lager whole being "nature".
@TheTaoofEternalWar
@TheTaoofEternalWar 9 жыл бұрын
Eh, you see. The stoics, except for Epictetus, talked too much. They got carried away with their own fanciful illusions. "Morality", "Wisdom", they are just words worshipped as absolutes. They are no more real than the ancient Gods. Epicurus presented a much more sensible system. One free of false idols. Right living not for it's own sake, but because it is the most practical path to a peaceful, tranquil life. Whilst in a pinch, let the demons roar. And I mean that metaphorically of course.
@MrFreakboymccarthy
@MrFreakboymccarthy 9 жыл бұрын
Roman Brown Thank you for your presentation of a "fanciful illusion". Luckily, I'm not an idiot, and so i don't believe everything people say (especially without argument or reference) Doesn't Epicurus, unlike Epictetus, speak of "reality consisting of atoms" that his philosophy was based on!!!!! I didn't realize that parental love consisted of unwitnessed atoms, "free" of "false idols". I'm no expert, but isn't Epicurus just a bog standard hedonist? I'd rather listen to J.S Mill in that regard. Ever changed a dirty nappy? it isn't pleasurable. I'll pick the best public (unlike "atoms") models of virtue to emulate thank you. "the meaning of a word is its use in the language" thus spoke Epictetus, PRE-Wittgenstein
@TheTaoofEternalWar
@TheTaoofEternalWar 9 жыл бұрын
Uhhh.....ok.
@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP
@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP 9 жыл бұрын
Roman Brown yes, these demons are means of self-preservation and survival, a product of evolution, biologically driven strategies and this is what we share with the animal world and therefore live in a similarly competitive and more or less ruthless environment but humans have the ability to override and raise above them, to break the vicious circle of submission to instincts, impulses and drives
@EdvardBolaasMusic
@EdvardBolaasMusic 11 жыл бұрын
i guess so, i like most of the stuff, but that one was a little too much i think.
@philipcarpenter6718
@philipcarpenter6718 10 жыл бұрын
Epictetus was a talker. Talkers make me thirsty.
@loadsofchange
@loadsofchange 6 жыл бұрын
hahahaa...
@youwish4094
@youwish4094 3 жыл бұрын
"I poop therefore I am" - Dr. Phil 1918
@immrpandabear
@immrpandabear 6 жыл бұрын
I don't like his reasoning, is he wise, sure but to compare broken ceramic bowls, to your own children dying is psychotic.
@Ahibasabala
@Ahibasabala 6 жыл бұрын
I feel stoicism is useful for the small and medium things of importance in life, learning not to blow a gasket when we don't get financial success, or accepting we haven't received recognition for our work, or dealing with minor pains and illnesses. But for the major things like the loss of a loved one, or extreme pain and illness, it just doesn't add up. Forcing oneself to not feel pain can at those times denies life its full passion, and seems like selfishness, or cowardice.
@lesliesnodgrass9237
@lesliesnodgrass9237 5 жыл бұрын
Understanding that the core tenants of Stoicism are concisely, and quite eloquently, expressed through the well-known "Serenity Prayer" has been a great help in the application of the philosophy to ones life. The prayer asks that a God grant them the attributes of serenity, strength, and wisdom; whereas Stoic philosophy relies on oneself to accept these are already present within us all, while encouraging us to be ever mindful and present in the moment. Stoicism is not about shutting off emotions, but understanding that mentally healthy people cannot shut them off, we can only reign over how much control we choose to forfeit to them by not controlling our reactions to those emotions. Serenity to accept what you cannot control. Strength to control those things that are within or control. And, Wisdom to know the difference between them.
@Jinars.
@Jinars. 5 жыл бұрын
@@Ahibasabala Totally agree with what you said. Some of his views are just too extreme to apply in certain situations in life.
@nathantoy5711
@nathantoy5711 5 жыл бұрын
He does say that you may choose to be upset but know that it is a choice, if you choose to be attached to something then it is natural to have to be sad when you lose it. Don't lament at what is your choice for if you choose it, it is free and must bring you "good".
@jacksallaz4342
@jacksallaz4342 3 жыл бұрын
& add a dD see, Find me here and there. Sharing the waters, the bread. "Dan"
@arsokhan1
@arsokhan1 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so smart oh my god
@wowggscrub
@wowggscrub 11 жыл бұрын
well that's stoic philosophy for you.
@EdvardBolaasMusic
@EdvardBolaasMusic 11 жыл бұрын
comparing a ball to one's child... ok...
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