The END of Screen Tearing

[@EposVox]

CORRECTION: Nvidia GSync COULD work with these capture cards over HDMI *HOWEVER* it requires HDMI 2.1, which very very few monitors currently ship with. This is still a silly limitation that FreeSync doesn't suffer from.

[@linuxlover_8436]

is that something one has to look closely into (wasn't 2.1's standard recently made ambiguous such that older 2.0 devices could be marketed as 2.1 but they are not true 2.1? I defer to you as I remember casually hearing something about this. Take care.

[@scarletspidernz]

@@linuxlover_8436 Yeah the HDMI spec got relaxed coz manufacturers wanted to sell more products. So now consumers have to do tonnes more research to see if a product does actually work properly under the old HDMI2.1 spec

[@slumy8195]

ive only seen 2.1hdmi the norm on 4k monitors.

[@stormedtie]

i wanted to ask i have a 4k 144hz hdmi 2.1 monitor and a 3090 with hdmi 2.1 the evga xr1 pro wouldnt be able to capture the gameplay?

[@laserfights]

im really glad you pointed out at 10:26 that a lot of people wont care / notice some of these issues with vrr

[@martynk5078]

I would be surprised if we don't see HDMI 2.1 VRR capture card in a few years time. As the demand for one is clearly obvious. The ultimate capture card would be one with the latest HDMI and displayport sockets on both sides of the card. (passthrough)

[@Alexandra-Rex]

A few months ago I did move over to a dual system. To fix this, I connected another monitor to the gaming PC through the Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk2, at 60 Hz, and then run OBS on the gaming PC too, but OBS there doesn't do anything but show a full screen preview on the secondary monitor at 60 FPS, so the capture card captures the secondary monitor at 60 Hz and it's no tearing smooth 60 FPS capture while I get full 240 Hz and Freesync on the gaming monitor. It's not as clean a setup as I wanted, but it works and lets me stream and record a smooth 60 FPS while I get the normal function of the gaming monitor. And i haven't noticed any performance issues on the gaming PC cause of this as OBS doesn't really do anything but show the preview. And the secondary monitor on the gaming PC is just another 1440p monitor I have on the streaming PC, so it's not another monitor in the mix, just using another input on that monitor. It would be awesome to have a PCIe capture card with VRR and 240Hz at 1440p support to make it cleaner though.

[@-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-]

Hey, I am aiming at setting up the same thing! For some reasons, I get really horrendous screen tearing (5x more than what is shown is the video). I am using the Elgato HD60X and I am playing on a 240hz monitor with an OBS projector only appearing on the Elgato screen. Do you have any tips?

[@Alexandra-Rex]

@@-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.- That's strange as it's basically like a single PC setup on the gaming PC side. I have that side monitor with the preview on set to 60 Hz, and OBS set to 60 FPS, so it's all 60 and that's the captured by my capture card on the streaming PC. I don't really know where the tearing would come from, sorry :/

[@-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-]

​@@Alexandra-Rex Alright thanks, I did some troubleshooting, because I want to use that screen as a second screen, and the Eglato as a third one. I believe this is where the tearing comes from, because when I duplicate my second screen and my Elgato everything works properly. EDIT : Okay, so for the people looking for an answer, a dummy plug might help your case. (HDMI or Display Port) My setup is : Two monitors running the same way as before setting up the capture card, the Elgato HD60 X plugged in with a Display Port to HDMI cable (with the OUT cable disconnected) and an HDMI dummy plug (a few bucks on Amazon) Then you just duplicate your dummy monitor and your Elgato (which also acts as a dummy) Not clean but it work

[@Quanx_3]

I got a iMac I stream off of and I got a capture card the hd60x which I hook to another monitor to outplay the game but my screen tearing is still there how can I fix that ?

[@GummiSammi]

I only use capture card to grab external devices like Playstation, Switch or my iPad. For my dual PC setup I just use NDI via OBS and it works almost flawlessly. Never had to deal with tearing once.

[@RellyRellProductions]

Thanks for the video I was unaware of the xr1 pro update

[@N0N0111]

@EposVox HDTVTest Vincent has shown that many games have wrong HDR presentations, they are mainly blown out / over bright. I hope you consider this angle in your upcoming HDR gaming video, cause people have no clue what is going on and how to correct the settings to proper HDR.

[@Angelluluofficiel]

I've tried everything but I can't fix the system.

[@josephfrye7342]

thank god this video from one years ago has a solution.

[@Drew_Koch]

Just picked myself up the XR1 Pro after reading about the firmware and watching your vid. Thanks!

[@marcuszettergren8885]

Would there be any reason the internal cards would not get this update too?

[@EposVox]

All the current gaming internal cards are using way older chipsets that aren't going to support it. The 3 cards that just got this (HD60X/XR1 Pro/CU4K30) are basically all the exact same card w/ the same chipset

[@garrettsparks6776]

Hey there. At the 11:47 mark when you said you "cloned the capture out to the XR1 Pro", are you using OBS projector preview to do that? Or did you actually clone the output to HDMI and display port via windows/nvidia control panel, and then re-enable GSYNC on the display port display (monitor)?

[@ProbablyRicky]

did you just say amazeballs? that word is kryptonite to me.

[@testitbeforeiwreckit5872]

I do wish there was some sort of frame interpolation or blending implementation for live streaming when dealing with uneven frame pacing. I know when editing and rendering a recording, having that feature enabled helped make the footage look smoother. Honestly ever since upgrading to high refresh rate gaming, my streams never looked as smooth as when I was locked at 60FPS. None of my viewers notice it at least, but when I watch my past broadcasts side by side, the difference in smoothness is obvious.

[@jokettedj]

I turned on my Vsync, still have line in screen

[@TonyTurbo78]

why dont we just get capture cards with Display Ports In & Out?

[@EposVox]

Too niche for the added cost to manufacture. High end PC gamers are a very niche market

[@TonyTurbo78]

@@EposVox display port has always been the more favourable way of connecting gpus to monitor the last few years though. Gpus over the last 5 years or so usually favour dp ports over hdmi ports 3 to 1

[@EposVox]

Sure but neither cameras nor consoles/TVs support DP and there’s no way to convert HDMI *to* DP with modern specs, so it completely cuts off the usability of a card while also increasing manufacturing costs. Capture cards get so cheap due to mass production for a wide market, making something that’s both more expensive to make while also something you have to make less of because you’d sell less of just is a hard business decision to make. When HDMI generally keeps up, if just a couple years behind, no consumer company wants to. Also just using the connector doesn’t guarantee the card would support higher specs or specific features anyway.

[@TonyTurbo78]

@@EposVox good post makes sense.

[@CoalitionGaming]

Ooh a 60fps video, woop woop. Also, Jacob is the man!

[@redmilitia117]

Is it capture card problem?

[@mdubz]

It seems like OBS with full screen projection is the way to go for 4k144hz Gaming PC to 4k60 capture card on stream PC.

[@StYfReX]

I would love to see more Displayport capture cards, even if it increases the cost for having DP as extra ports. Also waiting for your review of AV1 on intel GPUs when you are able to get your hands on them :d

[@kudobeats]

What if using the HD60X via cloning method, wouldnt G sync work then?

[@EposVox]

To your monitor, capture would still have bad pacing or tearing or both

[@kudobeats]

@@EposVox Can you not enable G sync on the HD60X itself when cloning, as it is seen as a monitor? I spoke to CS at elgato and he was pretty sure you can, but I have not got one yet so cannot test it

[@kudobeats]

@@EposVox the support page for the HD60X says Gsync can be used on HDMI 2.0

[@will_n.t]

Well for me I was playing 59 hz for a while Because I forgot to change it to 165 hz so when I did change it the games I was playing would act up like the brightness would like stutter like low to bright/normal why is this?

[@SianaGearz]

You do get a bunch of outputs on your GPU, like 4, what's the situation like when you don't use passthrough at all but clone a display to a fixed rate output?

[@EposVox]

If you clone a VRR display signal to a non-VRR capture device you just get tearing AND stuttering

[@SianaGearz]

@@EposVox Yeah but there wouldn't be a display there capture side - or a fixed refresh rate one. I wonder if the NVidia driver is capable of avoiding tearing when cloning a VRR output to a different output with a fixed refresh rate, which by all reason it should be able to - it has all the framebuffers, the outputs aren't anyhow tied together, they just scan out existing framebuffers as the driver chooses to. All they hypothetically have to do is to delay the framebuffer destruction and have a virtual flip chain on the secondary outputs rather than forcing a flip when the original output causes a flip. And they do have virtual flip chains fundamentally implemented for Fast Sync, they can do a lot of magic there.

[@EposVox]

With Display Cloning, it sends exactly what it sends to both outputs. There’s no option to buffer one but not the other. A capture card’s processing chip is effectively a display for all intents and purposes. Doesn’t matter that there isn’t really, it acts as one, so the side effects are still there. You’d need a whole intermediate capture/reproduction to buffer it, which is what the obs projector preview method does

[@SianaGearz]

@@EposVox for PC capture Nvidia and AMD should just solve it output side in display cloning. There's no reason why they wouldn't be able to with no hardware changes and probably fairly limited software effort.

[@EposVox]

I've made a pitch to Nvidia with how it should poll and work, we'll see if it comes to anything. I'd imagine if it was easy it would have already been done, but we had a good framing of how it should be handled, should it be doable. Theoretically much of the ground work is already there.

[@broderick143]

Is it possibly to suffer from this without dual stream monitors cause that’s my issue

[@skiiwee293]

I know you were ragging on Nvidia for HDMI Gsync, but why do capture card makers not make DP variants?

[@EposVox]

It’s more expensive to manufacture and very much limits the market base. High end pc gamers are a very niche market. Neither cameras nor consoles/TVs support DP and there’s no way to convert HDMI *to* DP with modern specs, so it completely cuts off the usability of a card while also increasing manufacturing costs. Capture cards get so cheap due to mass production for a wide market, making something that’s both more expensive to make while also something you have to make less of because you’d sell less of just is a hard business decision to make. When HDMI generally keeps up, if just a couple years behind, no consumer company wants to. Also just using the connector doesn’t guarantee the card would support higher specs or specific features anyway.

[@lilayumiii]

does that mean my gpu is getting old? and i need a new one?? i have mine for like 2 years but its already used and it didnt tear 1 year ago and it only happens in overwatch but the other games are fine, same goes for my desktop :/ or is it my screen?? do i need a screen with 140 hz ? :( im confused plz help

[@N0N0111]

@EposVox I keep hearing very dim audio compression sounds in your video. I say it is very dim, but i can hear it like every 5 seconds or so. Can you confirm this please (Headset: Beyerdynamic MMX 300 - DAC: EPOS | Sennheiser GSX 1200 PRO)

[@EposVox]

Don’t know what to tell you

[@N0N0111]

@@EposVox Hoping someone else will report in.

[@owenquinlan6047]

During the start where the money fell from above frame what method did you use to key yourself Infront of the clip? Was it just manual cutting?

[@EposVox]

Object Mask in resolve

[@NOOBandBRO]

I just use rivatuner to move the tear line around. It's okay, and saves the latency hit of display cloning.

[@KleskReaver]

I have a monitor that G-Sync works over HDMI (AW2721D), im wondering if G-Sync will work in my case through one of these capture cards? I believe G-Sync “Ultimate” monitors would all work with DP or HDMI but i cant say for sure

[@JonesTheLad]

I have this same Monitor and was wondering the same thing! I plan to find out soon!

[@rmgdnz]

Is there any way to deal with inconsistent frame pacing when using software solutions? When recording with Shadowplay or OBS and Gsync is enabled, I get the exact same stuttery recordings you showed here.

[@TonyTurbo78]

locking to 60fps is the only way to truly get rid of screen tearing ive found....but why would we want to do that with incredibly high end gaming PC's with 144hz adaptive synch monitors everywhere.

[@CodeNameScat]

I feel like I can’t hit my shots no where near as well when I’m streaming I’m using a duel pc setup with a live gamer ultra usb capture card am I tripping or does it cause me in game latency and is there a capture card and or a fix for it

[@EposVox]

Pass through is lag free, I’ve measured it plenty of times. But if you have a higher refresh rate monitor than it allows for you’d be limited to 120 or 144hz, which may feel slower

[@yabai7551]

Does PS3 work on the HD60X? I have tried it with an HDMI splitter and I still get no signal with this capture card.

[@funkyblackcat]

Is the HD60X supporting Gsync right now? I got an Oled LG TV which is Gsync compatible through HDMI 2.1. In this case will Gsync work in the passthrough or the clone method work in a dual PC setup?

[@EposVox]

Passthrough yes. GSync doesn’t work with cloning

[@EzBreezy750]

Even with AMD Gpu can’t seem to get free sync to work with XR1 Pro on dual pc looks like I’ve joined team greens frustration

[@kensonplays]

What bout the 4K60 Pro MK2? I have one sitting till I can afford the second pc.

[@EazyRanger325]

**Update** I've updated to the latest firmware but I cannot get VRR working on my Xbox Series X yet. I've contacted ASUS and opened a ticket. I'm so glad I decided to wait and not buy the Elgato HD60X. I have the Asus Tuf gaming capture card. It's late so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to update the firmware.

[@Fido_VOD]

Hi Body, I wanna know that you open the VRR in your XSX with ASUS CU4K30 capture card passthrough?

[@EazyRanger325]

@@Fido_VOD It will only work if your monitor/TV uses hdmi 2.1.

[@Fido_VOD]

@@EazyRanger325 actually my Monitor uses in HDMI 2.1 FI32U, so that's why I confused, when I use CU4K30 with PS5&XSX then my monitor will turns to 1080P and VRR dark, but change back to GC553, it's 4K and VRR light on(but you can't use it, it will be got some wrong), what's happening lol. all are HDMI 2.1 cable, if I'm not using capture card, all console is OK. So I immediately refund it back, I waiting for GC551G2 sale in TAIWAN.

[@EazyRanger325]

I don't have an hdmi 2.1 monitor so I can't check this.

[@linuxlover_8436]

what about 240p for older/retro games, is that still an issue (outside of the datapath cards that Retro RGB Bob recommended afaik)?

[@EposVox]

99.99% of capture cards won’t support 240p at all. I’ve had a single Magewell accept it over hdmi via passthrough from a RetroTINK and it still did not look correct That’s a lost cause tho

[@linuxlover_8436]

@@EposVox that's rather sad if the manufacturers still don't care to try to implement support for it in the future. thanks for the input

[@EposVox]

There is zero reason or financial motivation to do so, and 240p isn’t even within the HDMI supported spec heh

[@EposVox]

It’s basically never worked even in analog capture cards so you’re always better off with a scaler. The market for them keeps getting better and better

[@gervgg5715]

Will i be Able to play in 1440p 144hz to 1080p 60z stream

[@EposVox]

Yes

[@FurryMetalFerretVT]

nice, i got a XR1 Pro for $80 buck. i was going to go with a diffrent card, but it was on sell for almost $100 off. such a steal.

[@kudobeats]

Could you settle this for me before I fork out £190 for a hd60x please. I currently have. Dual pc using hd60s mirror method. Obviously I get screen tearing, so would having a 144fps pass through by itself help or do I need gsync/vrr? I hope you don’t mind answering me if you’re not too busy mate

[@allyncia]

Good Lord, when will you just say whether I can fix this without making a purchase. Other people are fixing with windows patch. My set up had no issues and then suddenly, tearing and lag. It's not my internet connection or computer power... something is out of whack and you said Vsync but then, you are going down every rabbit hole in the grassy knoll! Help!

[@gabe_ag]

does the EVGA XR1 pro support full HDMI 2.1 passthrough? I game on my LG CX and I've been wanting a capture card that won't hurt the performance of my CX

[@EposVox]

No

[@BeforeDecemberOfficial]

So I duplicate my 1440p 240hz screen with Gsync to the HD60x and there js no screen tearing and it automatically shows in 1440p 60 fps without limiting my main screen. I tested 2 capture cards before and none could do this and there was always screen tearing (HD60 pro, Ripsaw HD)

[@Naaackers]

BRO WHEN YOU SAID SPONSORED BY HOVER I GASPED XD

[@EposVox]

I was waiting for this comment lmfao

[@JimmyJoeMcGurl]

Don't really know where else to ask but I have the ASUS card, and it got an update for VRR but it isn't actually working on my series X. Anyone found a workaround?

[@CamLefrancois]

Is there a way to eliminate screen tearing on console like ps2? Maybe by patching the game by yourself to reduce the fps of the rom or wtv? I'm playing on CRT via component HDRetrovision (Noob here)

[@EposVox]

No, there isn’t. Only through emulator capture where the rendering has the headroom to avoid it

[@vinbusa7028]

I got a question🤚 My display (LG 27GN950) doesn't support VRR with the PS5 but yet my Xbox and even my gaming laptop with HDMI 2.1 does and I was wondering if these captures can act like a VRR passthrough to resolve that issue I have with the PS5 and my monitor?🤔

[@EposVox]

Well you didn’t specify what issues you’re having

[@vinbusa7028]

@@EposVox Oh right, when I try to turn on VRR from my PS5 to my monitor I was getting the message that said "Your TV doesn't support VRR" mainly due to fact this monitor doesn't have HDMI 2.1 ports or HDMI-VRR certifaction, but then I reading about these capture cards and noticed the HD60X has support both AMD Freesync and HDMI Forum VRR support, and then it makes me wonder if that capture card can resolved the compatibility issue with my monitor and the PS5 VRR, almost like a VRR passthrough between a Freesync monitor and a HDMI VRR Forum device such as the PS5 🤔

[@vmmd8229]

Randomly suggested but nevertheless welcomed content

[@sj460162]

Great video. Im on xbox one x and a 1080p tv getting screentear with the new call of duty. I can only afford to upgrade one device...which would cure my screentear. new tv or new console??

[@subt3rfu5ion68]

It seems, to me, like your audio and video files are separate. Like you voiced over your own video. I found it super distracting and am just going elsewhere to find someone to help me fix the issue .

[@EposVox]

Well that’s not true at all, so GG at being weird I guess!

[@subt3rfu5ion68]

@@EposVox Insults. The mark of a superior mind.

[@loganwright7721]

how do streamers like Ninja, Tfue, Clix etc. not have this problem?

[@EllDay]

So lock 60fps on your console for a butter smooth stream..... so VRR capture cards are..... 🗑

[@OMTheVASYA]

Liar, you said before elgato 4k60 pro have no screen tearing.

[@EposVox]

erm, no, The video you commented on very much showed it CAN have screen tearing, and I provided some ways to try to fix it.

[@orphanorbe]

So the Xbox is better for every Capture Card? That means the quality and the tearing would be better?!?!

[@jt3000o]

What is the point of a capture card you have a PC you already have a high-end gaming PC why do you need to capture something else

[@EposVox]

…? Cameras? Other PCs? Consoles?

[@jt3000o]

@@EposVox I understand having a high-quality camera but what about just playing the game on your PC instead of having to deal with consoles

[@EposVox]

Not every game is on PC, not everyone wants to play on PC

[@tutacat]

In 2024 Nvidia supports freesync

[@EposVox]

Nvidia “supports” it the same now as it did when I made the video. Still doesn’t apply to the older capture cards. Gotta have HDMI 2.1 to use it. Doesn’t work with older freesync

[@SmokinGoodd420]

🖖

[@NovaDoll]

First. Thanks