The End Times - Orthodox Vs Evangelical Protestant Teachings - Presentation 3

[@robertlipscomb3040]

I am loving this series. I am 70 years old. I was baptisted a Southern Baptist, reared a Methodist and converted to Lutheranism as young adult. I fell in love with Lutheranism because of its litergy, its written thought-out theology and its weekly ties to the Nicene Creed and the Apostles' Creed. Similarly, over time, I have become more and more interested in the Orthodox Church. Among other things I took a year long course on the history of the Christian Church which answered many questions. Your series exemplifies the clarity of theological thought I expected from the Orthodox Church.

[@DCWoodWorking]

Thorough debunking of dispensationalism. Great video. Thank you!

[@titianmom]

As an Evangelical, I agree with Orthodoxy. God does not have 2 separate trees of righteousness!

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

So stop being Evangelical and convert either to Orthodoxy or Catholicism. All Protestant cults are heretic. Martin Luther was an antisemitic Antichrist

[@lepajelena7441]

Amen

[@kevinjanghj]

Jesus Christ is Himself the true Vine !

[@Hospody-Pomylui]

As a Reformed Protestant I'm 100% in agreement with everything you've said in these 3 videos.

[@PMD631]

Well, the Orthodox Church has stayed fast in their theology. They were the ones that wold not tolerate Romes' changes that caused the Great schism.

[@thesipesisrandom4534]

Very impressed with how he uses the terms Hebrew, Jew, Israeli, and Israelite distinctly! They are often mingled as terms and yet they mean VASTLY different things!!! Thanks for this Father!

[@ferdyartigo2228]

Good day & thanks Fr. John! An amazing enlightenment!

[@thattimestampguy]

18:52 Orthodox View 20:51 2 Covenants: Old and New 26:38 Covenant inconsistency 27:44 29:17 Issac and Hagar/Ishmael 34:30 New Covenant Fulfilled Here and Now. 37:15 Imperfect Old, Perfected New. 38:27 Profoundly Clear by Christ.

[@creepythecritter]

TY🫡

[@johnanchovie2b]

This is a wonderful series. Clarifies so much for me. Thank you!

[@jamesbarksdale978]

Insightful teaching. Thanks!

[@calvinpeterson9581]

Well done video!

[@southjersey10]

A very well presented ted comparison.

[@LKRaider]

Video 2 in the series seems to be missing. Any way to reupload it?

[@johnbrown155]

That's been fixed.

[@holytransfigurationgreekor8827]

We uploaded it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHaaXqiZpt16r9Esi=bJPTyXkdCdqJteET

[@cuzcohusky3533]

Can you explain how holy marry is different in orthodox

[@Bh9140]

The orthodox see the Virgin Mary as the Theotokos meaning Mother God but she is not immaculately conceived. They see the immaculate conceptin as a heresy.

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

Just a correction: actually the Jews and Judaism proves the view of the Orthodox church, since Judaism is a religion and you can become a full Jew just by conversion, and the religion is also passed from the mother, therefore Jews today are not all descendants of Abraham, but have different Y DNA

[@nicnicnicnic8437]

Does the Eastern Orthodox Church practice veneration of statues as the Catholic Church does? Genuine question, not trying to start up a turf war lol. Thanks in advance.

[@transcendentalaesthetic]

Ok, so there is an answer to this and I hate to be this guy but I really, really think you would profit from watching this video (another lecture) from Father Maximos Constas. It is on the concept of icon veneration as a whole BUT at one point he gives an excellent answer as to why Orthodox do NOT venerate statues. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHjGqpqcoNaHbsk

[@derpfaddesweisen]

If you mean the veneration of Saints, yes. If you talk about icons, the icons itself aren't venerated itself

[@bradleyperry1735]

There isn’t much statuary in Orthodoxy. Lots and lots of Icons though.

[@George-ur8ow]

Generally, Orthodoxy is uncomfortable with 3D images, prefering icons, or painted images for explaining theology and for veneration of the scenes or persons depicted therein.

[@Durnyful]

Veneration of the Saints via icons, relics etc. is really best seen as paying honour to the Father, Son & Holy Spirit through honouring what they have done in the Saint in question, i.e. honouring the grace that they demonstrated. The idea that they are worshiped like an idol is often put about by low church evangelicals based on ignorance of what the actual teachings of the church are. I'm sure some simple folk may actually treat them like idols but that's not what the church teaches

[@THISWEEKINHUMANdotcom]

I know this was two years ago, but I can't help to notice the thumbnail with the very Masonic Icon that is attempting to represent the Father with the triangle (pyramid) around his head. This Icon is not representative of Orthodox Iconography...so why is it there?

[@jamesbarksdale978]

I don't think this is Masonic. The triangle represents the triune God. If you want to see a Masonic image look on the back of your dollar bill.

[@orthodoxrocks9644]

I'm somewhat confused by your data at 23:56. The Septuagint O.T.in the Orthodox Study Bible reads," you shall not allow the salt of The Lord's Covenant to be lacking from your grain offering!" this is actually Leviticus 2:13 and not 18:9 by the way! Please help understand the point you are trying to make. Are you saying that the Dispensers should've included such a thing as a Salt Covenant in their cursory understanding of Theology that led to the conclusions they arrived at? Or simply, Why not? Hehe!!

[@sharonmelsby7679]

"Salt" = ppl being present (not just here present) told by Jesus - NT. You are the salt of the earth .. & if the salt looses it's savor ... ( right communication/teachings/etc - ..of what use is it ..). Think literal salt having taste/savor that is a preservative, removes some things in foods & makes for body to use better, & it helping the functioning of physical/mental/etc is to be understood spiritually as well.

[@JacksonScott-os7kj]

Part 2 says its blocked now to copyright grounds :(

[@johnbrown155]

That's been fixed.

[@holytransfigurationgreekor8827]

We uploaded it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHaaXqiZpt16r9Esi=bJPTyXkdCdqJteET

[@jbrann2221]

Enjoying your work however please note William Miller did not start Adventist church. Some of his followers went in that direction, not him.

[@foolfether]

does anyone know where can i find the missing parts of this series?

[@TrisagionLivestreams]

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[@InterestedInDansk]

2:20 *This Israel/Church distinction will continue into eternity* _You are my servant Israel in whom I shall be Glorified_ Isaiah 49:3 Jesus Christ is Israel redivivus as John the Baptist Elijah redivivus.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

I agree! I don't identify as protestant but you'd probably consider me one. Great lesson

[@crunchybones2528]

that means you're protestant

[@boostid8026]

Video 2 was “ blocked” copy right ?

[@johnbrown155]

That's been fixed.

[@holytransfigurationgreekor8827]

We uploaded it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHaaXqiZpt16r9Esi=bJPTyXkdCdqJteET

[@thestraightroad305]

My understanding is that Sinai and Horeb refer to the same location, the site of Moses receiving the Ten Commandments from God. That said, Having been raised Protestant, yet a serious Bible student, I see many inconsistencies in the dispensationalist outline as you present it. It’s kind of disturbing! It makes me realize that there is only scattered coherence with scripture, yet how much of this teaching is ingrained in Protestant tradition and current instruction in Protestant churches all over America! I think the Orthodox view of the simplicity of two covenants aligns better with scripture.

[@onlylove556]

Has I been on a journey to brother. & i realize once saved always saved is not biblical & the pre Rapture is not biblical. it's just obviously John Calvin was wrong no predestination, marther Luther was wrong. so a lot of Protestant teaching is false

[@lovejoypeace5972]

Thanks for acknowledging that not all evangelicals are dispensational.

[@patricechappell8579]

You gotta wonder how dispensationalism miss these biblical truths. Are they also blinded.? It appears so

[@padre.simeao]

Where is the Presentation 2?

[@Trisagionfilms]

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[@Trisagionfilms]

Here is Presentation 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHW4Y6CQqL-JiZY

[@JacksonScott-os7kj]

@@Trisagionfilms The link is blocked by copyright, can you guys repost it?

[@johnbrown155]

That's been fixed.

[@holytransfigurationgreekor8827]

We uploaded it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHaaXqiZpt16r9Esi=bJPTyXkdCdqJteET

[@Mr.C-you-later]

Is that an icon of God the Father?

[@truckdriver8416]

Jeremiah 31 is speaking of Judah and Israel. I have always thought this to be the country of Judea and the country of Israel because at the time it was professed out of the mouth of Jeremiah the country of Judea still existed and the country of Israel was in very recent memory. Moreover Jesus lived in Nazareth which was in the Old Kingdom of Israel and died in Jerusalem the New Kingdom of Judea. it makes sense that Jesus said he came for the Lost sheep of Israel where he lived in old Israel and was crucified in new Judea. The Last Supper took place in Judea and so the New Covenant was established as the Apostolic church has always professed. Why can't Protestants see this?

[@jasonmatthews7829]

Why can't Protestants see what? You would be hard-pressed to find any Protestant denomination that disagrees with either the point you made or the fact that Jesus established a New Covenant while fulfilling the old. Protestants don't disagree with that. They exist in various denominations as a rejection of Papal authority, and to a certain extent in defiance as well of the authority believed inherent in the established offices of heads of the Orthodoxies as well. It's not a difference of doctrinal interpretation outside of the establishment and expected obeiscance to that authority.

[@mitchellscott1843]

Just one comment re the requirements for becoming Jewish. One is simply having a Jewish mother -- thats it. Circumcision is extremely important and customary yet it doesn't bestow Jewish identity. The other (far less common) is conversion in which circumcision is mandatory for men. Great series btw just had to chime in re Jewish identity.

[@thekingscourt]

To claim that Ishmael is Israel is simply outrageous and utterly reckless and for a priest simply unforgivable!!!!!!!! Ishmael, the whole world understands to represent the Arab nations! There are many astounding errors in this message!

[@creepythecritter]

You are a wicked man 😢

[@johnbrown155]

"To claim that Ishmael is Israel is simply outrageous and utterly reckless and for a priest simply unforgivable!!!!!!!! Ishmael, the whole world understands to represent the Arab nations! " Paul says the opposite of what you said. "For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar" (Gal.4:24). Did all the Arab nations get a covenant with God at "Mt Sinai"? There is only one people who received a covenant with God on Mt. Sinai, and that was the Israelites. Yet Paul says, right here, that the descendants of that covenant are Hagar, the illegitimate son of Abraham, whom he sent away. Paul goes on to say "Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise." The "we" there, whom Paul calls "Isaac" - Abraham's legitimate son - are Christians. That's what the biblical text says. What about this passage of Word of God do find "simply outrageous and utterly reckless" and "simply unforgivable!!!!!!!!"?

[@krist3770]

Moses fathered a son Ishmael? I'm sure Abraham was the father. In terms of 2 covenants, the first being imperfect,not meaning God, had made a mistake,but the inheritors were incapable of following it perfectly.

[@Noone-rt6pw]

Spiritual dna

[@supppppz8823]

There are sooo many signs that Israel as a nation is Biblical right now and that GOD revived it before HIS Return.

[@P.H.888]

What is The End Goal or Objective of Judaism ⁉️ To go back to where ⁉️ The slavery of Sinai The building of a temple Animal blood sacrifices An unproven Levi priesthood No thanks It’s anathema ‼️ JESUS CHRIST THE LORD DIED ✝️ to CUT THE NEW COVENANT ♥️

[@supppppz8823]

@@P.H.888 Absolutely! Paul by The HOLY SPIRIT’S inspiration writes in Ephesians how the Church both Jew and non Jew are GOD’S people and non Jews are co heirs and fellow citizens of the promise. The great secret revealed. But, as when I debated a heretical black fake Israelite cultist on his live, he couldn’t answer this, neither can any atheist. Why was Abraham born on the 1948th year of the Hebrew calendar in the Torah, Foreshadowing 1948 on the Christian calendar. Then blood moons happened in our first Passover back in the land, and other Hebrew feast days and also the same year on the 1st day of Passover and Feast of Tabernacle in 1967, the famous 6 day war, 7th day victory. Hebrew as a language being revived is also the signs of the end times. I believe many Hebrews as said in Romans will be saved, and accept CHRIST our LORD GOD. 🙏

[@supppppz8823]

@@P.H.888 I love the Church. GOD’S people but I am an ethnic Hebrew and I know Israel will be Saved also. Idk how though exactly, but GOD Knows all.

[@patricechappell8579]

It is an illegitimate nation built on the backs of the Palestinians. They were not gathered in faith. They are mostly atheists who practice torture on a daily basis

[@thestonerpreacher]

I LOVE GOOD TEACHING fyi I'm a little bit stoned, peace brother Jesus IS amused 😎👍

[@thestonerpreacher]

Jesus is GREATLY amused 😁

[@XXX_xxxxxxxx]

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[@mariakatariina8751]

Though Jacobines indeed have to be grafted into Christ, to be heirs of God in Jesus Christ; still, Paul was not an Apostle. Phariseans cut themselves off away from God, by murdering Jesus Christ. INRIX

[@MinisterRedPill]

Ahh, replacement theology. How blasphemous. Romans 11:1-2 ​ I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? Interesting you read the same chapter but skipped the first 2 verses.

[@karenbartlett1307]

Blasphemy is when a person attributes to the devil the works of God. One can blaspheme Christ and be forgiven, but one can't blaspheme the Holy Spirit and be forgiven. God doesn't forget Jews; any of them who wants to trust in Him as the Messiah promised in the OT is welcome to.

[@MinisterRedPill]

@@karenbartlett1307 The church hasn't replaced the Israelites. Although Israel is the church. Gentiles are grafted in, not thr other way around. But orthodox people are idolatrous anyways, so their grafting in is null and void.

[@robertwhatley2825]

Unless Minister Redpill you have received a special revelation from God, the apostle John clearly disagrees with your opinion.

[@MinisterRedPill]

@@robertwhatley2825 John never said the pagan church replaced Israel. You people are making things up like usual. The OT prophecies are not for the corrupt gentile pagan heathen church. The Bible has ALWAYS been about Israel and no one else. Gentiles are grafted into Israel and that makes up the church. The gentile heathen church is apostate.

[@patricechappell8579]

Paul was merely saying that he, a Jew was not forsaken by God. The elect weren’t, the rest were blinded. It is dispensationalism that is practicing replacement theology, destroying the beautiful picture of the olive tree where both Jew and gentile are united by faith. That disparaging term has no place in Christianity

[@nebesayas8656]

Lol how do you take Roman’s so out of context ? ”For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”“ ‭‭Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭25‬-‭27‬ ‭How do you miss the whole point of Roman’s ? Paul is very much emphasizing that Gods covenant with Israel is ever lasting and they WILL be grafted in and saved you don’t have to be a dispensationalist (which I’m not ) to see you literally just have to read the The scriptures… Zachariah who you quoted speaks about the exact same thing 🤦🏾‍♂️ I’m leaning to orthodoxy as I’m close to leaving Protestantism but the lack of knowledge of the end times from y’all is crazy lol and like y’all mentioned in the beginning of these series you don’t do enough studying, which can be seen unfortunately.

[@johnbrown155]

According to Romans, God does indeed say the Israel will be grafted back in. That means they are currently "broken off." They are not saved by their DNA. If and when they become "grafted back in," that means they will become Christians, just like every other ethnic group. Their genetic code never saved them. If Paul thought that the Jews were already saved by their DNA, as the dispensationalists believe, then why did he bother trying to convert them to Christ?

[@fnotesemay3803]

Not all the jews were blind ;some of them have believed in christ. But the fullness of the gentiles comes in among those who have called according to the plan,and there arises a truer israel of God-the elect from both the jews and the gentiles. All Israel means all those who believe whether they are jews or gentiles

[@TatyanaMPhotography]

All the coughing made this very difficult to listen to.

[@nickconner8443]

The Church did not replace Israel. That re-placement theology is heretical. Gentiles are grafted into the olive tree which is Israel. Jesus said, “Salvation is of the Jews.” The same Paul who spoke of the heavenly Jerusalem, acknowledged the earthly Jerusalem. So did Jesus, referring to it as the City of the Great King. Jesus will return to this Jerusalem. Actually, Paul’s reference to the heavenly Jerusalem has been taught by the rabbis down through the ages. Jesus spoke of the end times saying, “ And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled” (Luke 21:24). This occurred in 1967. The prophets all spoke of the Jews being restored to the land in the last days. These words remain in tact even with the new covenant. God promised Abraham that his physical seed would live in this land, which by the way, is not a “Palestinian covenant.” This land was restored, just as the prophets said. Isaiah and Jeremiah both prophesied that the Jews would be gathered from the north and from all the lands to which they had been scattered. This same Paul wrote of the physical seed of Hebrew people saying God was not done with them. “ I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew” (Romans 11:1,2a). Paul also wrote in Romans 11 that the Jews would be grafted back in and that all of Israel would be saved. When I lived in Israel, I could count the Messianic Jews on one hand. Today, there are approximately 10,000 Israelis who believe Yeshua is the Messiah.

[@creepythecritter]

Only dispensationalists use “replacement theology.” Using that shows you have no understanding of the new covenant. The church, when it was founded, was made up of Jews. How could Jews replace Jews? In order for something to replace something else it must be different. All who are in Christ are of the promise.

[@Jakejake100]

Look a demon

[@nickconner8443]

@bradleymitcham100 Look an uninformed trogladite with nothing intelligent or coherent to say!

[@mariakatariina8751]

Circumcision of the flesh is the mark of Cain.

[@thekingscourt]

This priest is teaching replacement theology which transfers all the eternal promises given by God to the Jewish people forever......., to now be transferred to the Orthodox Church, while God abandons His people. What kind of God is this??? Watch the nations even today, and you will see that God has never, nor will He ever abandon Israel. If God so easily breaks His covenant with them made unconditionally, then why would you ever believe He would not break His covenant with you.

[@jonathanskeet5076]

Not abandoning at all, but joining the two to one, as Paul is quoted in the video.

[@Addyman.Strong]

God is not abandoning. They have abandoned God. There is no way to the Kingdom except through the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@johnbrown155]

All these verses, straight from the Bible, teach replacement theology. Your argument is against the Bible, not this priest.

[@johnbrown155]

"God has never, nor will He ever abandon Israel." He has "broken them off." He has replaced the old covenant with the new covenant, inaugurated by Christ at the Last Supper. If Israelites want to be saved, they must become Christians.

[@thekingscourt]

Mans 11:26 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”@@johnbrown155