ALL Characters Ranked from DBS Ch1-Ch103 | Who is the Strongest?

#dragonballsuper #dragonballdaima #sparkingzero
With the new arc of Dragon Ball Super Manga on the horizon along with the threat of Black Frieza. I have power ranked the DBS manga. All 9 arcs, 103 chapters and over 100 characters in a Unique way you haven't seen before. Where do I scale Ultra Instinct Goku, Ultra Ego Vegeta, Gohan Beast and Legendary Super Saiyan Broly?
Is Gohan Beast stronger than Black Frieza? Is Black Frieza stronger than Beerus? Can MUI Goku beat Super Saiyan Full Power Broly? Is Orange Piccolo as strong as Goku and Vegeta?
All of this is dissected in this unique ultimate power scaling video of Dragon Ball Super the Manga by Toyotaro including the Moro Arc and Granolah Arc
Music by: ‪@DBZHalusaTwin‬
How strong is Black Frieza?
Black Frieza Vs Gohan Beast
Black Frieza Vs Legendary Super Saiyan Broly
How strong is Ultra Instinct Goku?
How strong is Gohan?
How strong is broly?
Can Ultra Gogeta defeat Beerus?
Is Beerus still the strongest?
Gohan Beast Explained
Super Saiyan 4 Vs Ultra Instinct
How strong is Super Saiyan 4?
Dragon Ball GT

[@dbrazell4]

BoG Arc Not bad. Few things I'd like to add my takes on; 1) Gohan isn't really shown to be rusty in chapter 3. We just see he and Mr Boo get clobbered the same. As far as we know he is no different than Boo arc Ultimate Gohan. So for sure above Gotenks. 2) Gotenks may or may not have trained since Boo arc. They fuse correctly and can use Ssj3 so they can't be totally out of practice. However, if you think the Goku & His Friends Return special counts as canon then there might be implications that Goten and Trunks slack off in times of peace. 3) Mr Boo could possibly have trained. I don't see any indication he is different than Boo arc, but the way DBS handled him later, it's not to crazy to think he might be stronger than before. 4) A.major disagreement I have about this arc is Vegeta being below Ssj3 Goku. www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31269 Both the Funumation and Crunchyroll subs say that Goku was more of a challenge than Vegeta. Both are wrong. Herms actually did a fact tracker when DBS first released, and addressed the many fan subs and crunchyroll getting it wrong. He actually says Vegeta was more of a challenge than the Saiyan on the Kaio planet. Since no such line exists in the manga, I just.gauge Vegeta on doing better than Goku did as a ssj3 5) Beerus tells Goku that Whis is his teacher and the strongest in the arc. I would have added him even though he didnt fight. (Lane) Overall not bad. I disagree on Gohan beneath Gotenks, Vegeta beneath Goku, and Beerus being the strongest when Whis is there The God scale works if you use the "difference interpretation" . Whis 15 Beerus 10 Ssj God 6 15-10=5 10-6=4 The difference from Whis to Beerus is larger than Beerus to BoG Ssj God. Dragon Ball always mentions the "difference" in power..whether its types or power gaps. Plus as far as the movies (Toribot maint input) go BoG and SH are the same continuity. So I don't think they belong in the trash. Toriyama intent > fan scaling Ssj God < Ssj Blue < Ssj Fusion Toyo said Toribot made it impossible for Goku & Vegeta to fuse after Boo. Toei just did Vegetto for fan service and Toyo says he didn't want to disappoint fans in DBS Volume 4 interview. Akio is the one who brought up Broly and Gogeta to Toribot for a movie ides with DBS Broly. The fusion line in BoG was only in the anime and extended version of the film..the theatrical version and manga do not have it. The only reason it was added was to give an excuse as to why Goku and Vegeta didn't fuse. The DBS Broly Movie Comic follows continuity with DBS manga from what I understand, and in that we see Ssj Gogeta > Blue Goku. Metamoran fuses the individuals as they are requires equal power. The multiplier should be no different from what it was in Z. Besides, Goku actually says Fusion wouldn't be enough to beat Beerus.. it just means Beerus > ssj vegetto or ssj gogeta. It doesn't mean it for ssj god. Goku didn't think ssj god was better than fusion..he thought trying out ssj god was an only option. When the false God Ritual failed,.Goku is so powered up.he actually thinks about fighting Beerus before Piccolo says that he isn't ssj god and that it isn't enough to beat Beerus. So,.I do not think Ssj God surpssed Ssj Fusion

[@RevoluShane]

Don't let this MF win the comments section!

[@dbrazell4]

Fraudulent Zamasite cope

[@vadosu4521]

I think the Moro arc is heavily implying that 18 is in the same tier as 17. First things first, the androids had no idea who is 7-3 when they began their attack, so they literally choose at random who they're attacking. Knowing how dangerous 7-3 can be it would make no sense for Piccolo to call in both androids if 17 alone is enough for the job. Then throughout the rest of the arc she performs the exact same way as 17. They take the same amount of damage from the bulky guy I forgot the name of, then they perform the same way against Moro as well. They both trade blows with him, they both land a scratch on him, and Moro was impressed by both of them. None of these would make any sense if there was a massive power difference between the two.

[@dbrazell4]

@vadosu4521 I don't think fighting in tandem means someone is also way stronger. 17 & 18 are artificial humans, and that's why Moro was impressed with them. He didn't think a planet like Earth could produce beings capable of such technology. In the ToP we see Goku in Blue is able to stand up in the U2 Pretty Black hole. 17 could not. We see Ssjb Evolution match and arguably surpass kaiokenx20 blue goku. Yet later on we see blue goku, Evolution vegeta, and 17 all fighting in tandem against Jiren. Each one are not the same strength but using the same strategy on their opponent. We see the Gammas perform similar to Goten and Trunks in their Ssj forms against Cell Max, but the Gammas are much stronger than Goten and Trunks. I don't think 18 is massively stronger, just she and 17 were fighting in a similar style. We also see UI Sign + Emotions Goku surpasses Gas who had previously surpassed UE Vegeta. Yet later Goku and Vegeta fight in tandem against Aged Gas. We've seen in the Z anime Ssj Grade 2 Trunks and Krillin also attack Perfect Cell (Initial completion) and they were not where near each other in power. I just don't think fighting in tandem makes you scale up. Moro was impressed that such beings existed on Earth.

[@vadosu4521]

@@dbrazell4 Yes it does if there's supposed to be a massive power difference between the two. If 18 is still as strong as in the Cell saga, then her performing the same as 17 would be like if Chiaotzu performed the same as Perfect Cell. It would make 0 sense, even for Dragon Ball standards. Moro was also impressed by their powers, literally stating that it's almost a shame he can't absorb them. Those are anime contents, completely different beasts on their own, not even a genius would be able to figure out most of the power scalling in that. We're talking about the manga here. I don't take the Super Hero movie that seriously, because KRILLIN is also performing about the same against Cell Max as everyone else does, even landing multiple hits. The same guy that jobbed to a robot bee a few chapters ago. 18 has to have gotten massively stronger for her to fight alongside 17 like this. Again they literally choose at random who they're even attacking, they did not gaf who's attacking 7-3 because they were confident the result will be the same. This would only make sense if the 2 are around the same tier. Nothing throughout the entire arc suggested that 17 is massively stronger than 18. The gap between Goku and Vegeta isn't as big as the supposed gap between the current androids. That's a terrible example to bring up, Cell not being affected by either doesn't mean Trunks and Krillin are in the same tier, it just means Cell is massively stronger than both. Again, Moro was impressed by their power. We literally see them BOTH land a scratch on Moro, and when Vegeta arrives we can literally see Moro and 18 trading blows.

[@dbrazell4]

@vadosu4521 I disagree Even ignoring anime examples, we see tons of examples within SH (which you wanna ignore apparently) where people fight in tandem. Krillin didn't scale up and neither did Goten & Trunks. Base Vegeta held Aged Gas in place. Does that mean he now scales up to Aged Gas? Moro was impressed by their power, but it was mainly because he didn't think the planet was capable of having such beings. We see Fatenks and Krillin legit do more damage to Cell Max than Piccolo Unleashed does. So if your whole thing is "18 scratched Moro,.so she scales to 17" then I'm just not sold. Oh and BTW I didn't say 18 was still Cell Saga levels. I just said fighting in tandem doesn't make you scale up.

[@vadosu4521]

@@dbrazell4 and I disagree Cell Max was a completely different opponent from Moro. Just a mindless beast who didn't know to how fight properly, so it's easier to land hits on him. The movie makes it very clear from the get go that Gohan, Piccolo and the Gammas are the strongest fighters there. The Moro arc never outright says 17 and 18 aren't in the same tier and absolitely nothing throughout the arc suggested there's even a gap between the two, let alone a massive one. I have to reread the Granolah arc because I don't fully remember that, but if Base Vegeta was able to catch Gas off guard then that would explain how he "held Gas in place". If not then it's just bad writing. Idk how many times do I have to repeat myself about this. Moro wasn't JUST impressed by earth creating androids like them, he was also impressed by their power, outright even saying that it's almost a shame he can't absorb them. 18 was able to scratch Moro, impress him and trade blows with him. The exact same thing 17 did as well. If this was a one time thing then it would be just bad writing, but as I said before the entire saga is suggesting the androids are in the same tier the moment they joined the battlefield against 7-3. This is the same manga that literally said 17 got stronger WITHOUT training. It would explain 18's performance in the arc.

[@paulgilbert3139]

Nope

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

These Bar Charts are absolute peak content, love them

[@siphezulu5119]

This is actually your best vid in a long time but there are still a few issues, Goku saying Moro is the toughest opponent they’ve ever faced isn’t the only nod to Broly being surpassed by Moro, Whis post Moro arc said he doesn’t know anyone stronger than Goku and Vegeta, even if we say it’s because Broly can’t turn super saiyan anymore, Goku knows Broly is out there so him even asking that would be pointless if he doesn’t he had caught up to Broly’s power. Goku said in the Cell saga Gohan is far stronger than him knowing very well that Gohan tap to his power at will, Goku gages refers to the full extent. Plus the last time Whis saw Broly he was at his full super saiyan powers before he was transported back to Vampa. Vegeta’s statement about ranks reflecting a moment in time is definitely not what you interpreted it to be, it is explained in the next panel when Vegeta said “in for instance I’m stronger than I was 5 minutes ago” something along these lines. Next is UI not being vastly superior to UI sign, well isn’t the only feat that proves UI perfect is vastly superior, first Jaco can keep up with a speed of UI sign but not at all with speed of PUI with Moro only Whis and Beerus can see them, and Goku’s punches which weren’t damaging Moro, after obtaining PUI, Goku’s gut punch messed up Moro so bad that Moro’s regeneration was having hard time keeping up, which is exactly what Gohan did to perfect Cell after 2 punches, visual proof would be a shockwave dense enough to make even Whis and Beerus close their eyes. So yes UI is that much stronger than than blue and UI sign. As for Gohan being significantly stronger than UI, is a narrative you won’t drop, first Gohan didn’t knock out in one punch, it was a follow up kick that possibly knocked him out of UI, so it was two blows not one, Frieza and Granolah did it one punch and blatantly Goku took damage from their attacks that he wasn’t able to wake up but nothing at all from Gohan, secondly the speed difference isn’t there at all, Both Frieza and Granolah perception blitzed UI but Goku actually blocked Gohan’s punch, that’s no way in hell the gap is that much. Plus Goku woke up and kept up well with Gohan Beast which isn’t possible if Gohan is simply that much stronger than Goku, that would mean woke up so strong that he closed the gap instant, or Gohan depowered after landing a punch and a kick which doesn’t make sense at all considering the reason he powered up in the first place. Gohan knocking Goku out of UI doesn’t indicate power difference, UI is a state before a form but even if it was form it wouldn’t matter, Gohan shocked everyone Whis, Beerus, Vegeta and Goku himself, and we know that power up can be deactivated at a shocker, Jiren did it in the T.o.P anime, Whis did to Goku post Moro arc training, Goku was shocked at Whis suddenly appearing in front of him, which Goku lose his cool, the moment you lose your cool in battle your power goes does down as one of the three components of ki is shoki. Goku did lose his against Gohan because Gohan beast ferocity. So not Gohan should at 13750 and a minus for form seemingly taxing, Goku should be around 1370+++ as for Broly, I don’t know why he above UI in first place because UI was performing better than him after getting back up, and the Beast Gohan that fought Broly isn’t even the same as the one that knocked Goku out of UI, the Gohan that’s fighting is the normal beast Gohan, he has no problem with his stamina or at least breathing heavily like he did against Goku, Broly is actually weaker than both but can kept up once he gains more control of his power. Overall great vid

[@dbrazell4]

@siphezulu5119 I almost completely agree 👍

[@Imneithergokunorvegeta]

This is beautiful

[@Moveforwar]

Beerus saying SSJ3 Goku gave him more fun than Rage SSJ2 Vegeta was a mistranslation. It actually says the opposite which is in line with the movie.

[@gregkareem9824]

​@@Underworldwarrior1ur everywhere

[@dbrazell4]

@Moveforwar Shane knows this too We talked about how Crunchyroll & Funimation (before they merged) both got translation wrong. Guess he forgot

[@dbrazell4]

First lol I already think this format is great just based on sneak previews

[@LP-Xperience]

Good to see you back again! 😊 🙌

[@RevoluShane]

Hope you enjoy the video!!! It’s out now!

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

This video has been an absolute belter, from the editing down to the research man - fair play

[@derrickchavis]

This is unique 👌

[@dwightnorton3398]

Great work bud

[@galaxystudios370]

My relationship with Dragon Ball power scaling has been an interesting one spanning well over four years now. During the time I moderated the League of Dragons, I can admit I was obsessed to an unhealthy degree. Since then, most of my opinions regarding the actual power scaling haven't changed, but I'm taking it a lot less seriously than before. With that said, those opinions did translate into the Dragon Ball writing project I've been working on for over three years now. Just you wait....

[@kenshinsenpai]

Tell me you promote yourself without telling me you promote yourself 😂

[@superexclusive452]

I love the progression throughout the manga. How subtly but surely the Saiyans deviate away from the reliance on transformations and powerups to focus on controlling their ki and mastering techniques to maximize their innate potential. Without the concept of God ki, they wouldn’t have been able to get that far ahead too, which is cool. Considering it took Goku seven years to reach SSJ3 (while dead), one could only imagine how much longer it would take him to get to a higher level whilst alive post-Boo arc w/o god ki.

[@xj3nr]

You're the goat for making this!

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

This is good he basically made his own power lvl system. To showcase who is ahead of whom. 😊

[@specialnewb9821]

The moment you said "contribute to the dialectic" I had to like the video 😅 Also if Vegeta really does have SSJ3 in Daima that would be pretty interesting for the scaling

[@UniVS427]

Aside from a couple things I can agree with your power scale the most out of the ones I seen 💯 yours is similar to how I would scale them. I think when Toriyama made the 6-10-15 scale he meant tiers vs actual percentage. It looks like you went that direction as well. Good work!

[@eynjay8046]

I’ve been waiting for a video like this for years!!🙌🏼 appreciate you for your dedication and for being the best dragon ball powerscaler on KZbin

[@Stonemon16]

I think the first blue fusion interpretation is the right one. I don’t think those statements debunk anything. Blue fusion being beerus level is stated by another god while the Broly being beerus level statement is by goku and may not even follow the manga continuity where goku saw beerus fight the other gods. The statement might not even be in the manga version either. Blue gogeta stomped him anyway so they can still scale way higher

[@tozg1807]

This is great loving the content

[@thestrong2401]

Before fighting with Gohan, Goku tells Cheelai that Black Frieza is "something else" and that he is impressed that he trained that hard to surpass them, meaning he and vegeta haven't caught up with him yet or he would have said that they were strong enough to handle Frieza now, but he doesn't, and instead looks unsure on what they would do if Frieza shows up and talks about Black Frieza's power still with admiration. And Gohan is only on par with this Goku, who implies to be still nowhere near Black Frieza's level, meaning that Gohan is also far below Black Frieza's level.

[@newhybrid101]

Hey Revolusane this is my version using the wafer stickers,i basically use the ones i agree and adjust I will add a * symbol for those that are unofficial,the rest all exist Raditz: 3,100 Nappa(Initial): 3,100+ Nappa(Powered Up): 3,200* Nappa(Full Power): 3,300* Saiyan Saga Goku: 3,300 Kaioken Goku: 3,300 Saiyan Saga Vegeta: 3,400 Kaioken X3 Goku: 3,400 Ginyu Force: 3,500(total average) Android Saga SSJ Vegeta: 4,400 Android 17: 4,500 Android 16: 4,600 Super Trunks: 5,100(nearly 5,200) Super Vegeta: 5,200 Perfect Cell(Initial): 5,300* Ultra Trunks: 5,300* Cell Games SSJ Goku: 5,500 Cell Games SSJ Gohan: 5,500* Perfect Cell(Full Power): 5,600* SSJ2 Gohan: 5,700 Super Perfect Cell: 5,700* SSJ2 Vegeta: 5,700 SSJ2 Goku: 5,800 SSJ2 Majin Vegeta: 5,800 Solar Kamehameha: 5,800 Father Son Kamehameha: 5,900 Fat Buu(Vs Dabura): 6,000 SSJ3 Goku(Initial): 6,000 Fusion Reborn SSJ3 Goku: 7,200 Ultimate Gohan: 7,400 Buutenks: 7,400+ * Buuhan: 7,500* Super Vegito: 7,600* SSJG Goku(Initial): 7,700 SSJG Goku(Full Power): 7,800 ToP Arc Base/Final Form Frieza: 7,800 ToP Arc Base Goku: 7,800- 7,900* (It was portrayed that his base was now comparable to RoF) RoF SSJB Goku: 7,900* RoF Golden Frieza: 7,900 U6 Arc Hit(Peak): 8,000 Dragon Fist vs Super 17: 8,000 Shadow Dragon SSJ4 Goku: 8,100* SSJR Goku Black: 8,100 Super Mode Dyspo: 8,200 ToP Arc Hit: 8,200 Syn Shenron: 8,200 True Golden Frieza: 8,200(nearly 8,300) ToP Arc SSJB Goku: 8,300 ToP Arc Ultimate Gohan: 8,300*(matched Blue and made him go Kaioken,Toppo wasnt at full power against Goku,the fight was stopped when he powered to max) SSJ4 Vegeta: 8,300(possible boost via blutz waves) Ultra SSJ4 Goku: 8,300 SSJ4 Kamehameha: 8,400 ToP Arc Vegeta Blue(Post Time Chamber): 8,500 Toppo(Full Power): 8,500 U7 Spirit Bomb: 8,700* Kefla SSJ: 8,700 Omega Shenron: 8,700 Kefla SSJ2: 8,700+ ToP Arc SSJB Vegeta Final Flash: 8,800 UI Sign 1 Goku: 8,800* Post UI Sign 1 Goku Blue KK: 8,800 GoD Toppo: 8,900 Negative Karma Ball: 8,900* Universal Spirit Bomb/Change Goku: 8,900 Base Vegito(Super): 8,900 SSJBE Vegeta(Pride Boost): 9,000 UI Sign 2 Goku: 9,000 Merged Zamasu(Halo): 9,000 Buff Merged Zamasu: 9,200 SSJ4 Gogeta(Initial): 9,200 SSJB Vegito: 9,300 UI Sign 3 Goku: 9,400 Champa: 9,400* Manga UI Goku: 9,400* Beerus: 9,500* MUI Goku(Initial): 9,500 Jiren(Full Power): 9,500 Moro: 9,500* Cell Max: 9,600* Anime MUI Goku(Initial): 9,600 Gokus UI is far stronger in the anime than in the manga and he can use emotions in it Cell Max: 9,600 MUI Goku(Friends Boost): 9,600 Awakened Jiren: 9,700 *Jiren doesn't break his limits like this in the manga MUI Goku(Enraged): 9,700 Broly Full Power: 9,700 Current Manga Perfected UI Goku: 9,700 Beast Gohan: 9,700(Official Sticker) SSJ4 Gogeta(Powered Up): 9,800 Black Frieza: 9,999* SSJB Gogeta(Serious/"Hint Of Power"): 9,999 Quintela: 10,000* Beerus(True Power/Manga): 10,000* SSJB Gogeta(Full Power): 10,100* Whis: 11,500* Vados: 11,500* Grand Priest: 15,000* Zeno: 100,000* 100 Years Later Goku(Dragon Realm/6D): 1,000,000

[@Debateking-j1g]

This is cool

[@Dexuz]

The stickers are more evidence that SS4 = SSB, I don't get why people have issues with that, after all a fodder like base Rildo is already stronger than Buu.

[@fidelsyrianoudis]

As far as the toughest statements go about Moro they made it pretty clear multiple times within that arc that he isn’t actually that “STRONG” it’s his magic and hax that make him so incredibly “TOUGH” to face vegeta and Goku both explicitly stated this within the chapter which is why they called him the “TOUGHEST” not the “STRONGEST” he is tough because of his magic and hax, but he isn’t the strongest

[@dbrazell4]

@fidelsyrianoudis lots of times in Dragon Ball toughness means strength or overall power. Merged zamasu was immortal. So Moro can't be "tougher" than him if it's about durability. But toughest in Moro's case likely refers to how long it took to beat him. They lost twice and trained for months, then lost again, before Merus sealed off his abilites.Thats all before he got merus power. Moro beat them twice when he was weaker than them. He is one tough S.O.B. "Undefeatable"

[@rataqueso2307]

Super sayain blue has levels When it first shown in the manga its has just a aura When its shown in the universe 6 tournament it has electricity and aura Than in the goku black arc it get perfected which removes de aura In the tournament of power we see evolution which is a blue aura but darker And kaioken blue

[@buildaggedonarmanaziie4462]

Gohan in accordance with everyone else. To be honest, Gohan didn't beat anyone. Gohan vs Goku, Gohan got the upper hand on Goku, but Goku stopped the fight to have Gohan fight Broly, so the fight was stopped so there were no real winners or losers in that battle. Even when Goku told Vegeta that winning against Gohan was never the goal. Now if Goku said something like, "Oh, well, I stopped the fight becasue I knew I couldn't beat Gohan." Then I would say that Gohan won, but the fight was stopped and there were no true winners and losers. Also, with Gohan vs Broly, yes Gohan got the upper hand on Broly as well, and as was stated, Gohan's better control over his form is what Broly lacks fully, I mean Broly got control of his Super Saiyan form, but that was only a little control, but anyway, Vegeta stopped the Gohan vs Broly fight to initiate the battle royal, so there were not real winners or losers in that battle either. They were just testing out that waters so that when they all get stronger, they can face off again as there might be a definitive winner. Now, I do agree that Gohan has power that allows him to get the upper hand on Goku, but with Goku's techniques and experience and everything, I believe that he could possibly beat Gohan. As for Broly, the way that I see it is that Gohan is about at the pinnacle of his power as of now, if there are no more transformations or anything else for Gohan, but yeah, Gohan is at the pinnacle of his power as of now, while Broly is just getting started, because if Broly learns Super Saiyan 3 or anything else I believe that Gohan would not stand a chance. Tell me what you all think.

[@phantomrogue7894]

I agree but you can't disagree with the narrative without being a Goku fanboy. What people ignore is the fact that right after Gohan knocked Goku out of UI, he fought evenly with the same Gohan. Gohan fans will say Gohan was not at full power at the end of fight because he got tired after hitting Goku, but if someone says Goku wasn't trying to beat Gohan, they'll tell you it was confirmed it was a full power fight. Whenever Gohan gets hit, he 'Shrugged it off' even though he has scratches like Goku, but if Goku gets hit, they think Gohan is equal to Black Frieza. It's not just that, they think Gohan is drastically above Broly because he threw him yet Goku is not drastically above Gohan since he pushed him back with an air blast?

[@dennisbrockman5652]

​@phantomrogue7894 I am pretty sure that no one thinks that Gohan is equal with Black Frieza, especially now the most recent chapters but Gohan > Goku is not really contentious as Gohan for the most fight doesn't take damage from Goku attacks and Gohan force Goku out of ui with two hits while bypass the evasive speed of Ultra Instinct Gohan quite literally said that boost his power to the point of berserk so obviously you can't maintain the same power kind like Kaioken and Goku pushing Gohan with Kai blast doesn't mean Goku is stronger since he wanted to stop the fight and didn't do damage to Gohan especially since base Goku did this Final form Frieza on Namek so I don't think it mean much.

[@phantomrogue7894]

@@dennisbrockman5652 You'd be surprised on how many people genuinely think Gohan is that strong. Gohan did take damage from Goku, the scratches are there but they're drawn inconsistently. Right after Goku was knocked out of UI, he transformed and fought better. Gohan saying he can boost his power to the point of berserk doesn't prove he can't mantain that power. If we're going to say it was a full power fight but in that same breath say that Gohan was only at full power in that one moment, then we can also say Goku wasn't at full power until after he was knocked out of UI. You're right, Goku pushing Gohan with a kiai doesn't mean Goku is stronger, but Gohan throwing Broly doesn't prove he's stronger either. A better fighter maybe, but not stronger.

[@dennisbrockman5652]

@@phantomrogue7894 If Goku think that it would bad time if Frieza show up on beerus planet and bare minimum Goku is relative to Gohan so means that Gohan is weaker than Black Frieza and even if don't use that the fact that Goku thinks that him, Vegeta, Broly would very bad time with Frieza and he a another level obviously Goku, Vegeta, Broly all together are stronger than Gohan so yeah he is far weaker then Frieza especially if he trained after the Granolah Arc. Gohan doesn't want to be in a state where he can potentially endanger all his loved ones for while and yes Gohan throwing Broly doesn't mean he is stronger but if Gohan doing in a state he not using his full power or possibly fague from fighting 3 people back to back mean he is stronger and Goku only use Ultra Instinct for limit-breaking battle by whis so it would make no sense if he is holding back against Gohan but if he is that fine he is above Gohan.

[@phantomrogue7894]

​@@dennisbrockman5652 Yeah, I think they're all relative to each other but there isn't enough evidence to definitively say anyone is stronger than anyone from the fights in that chapter. Goku didn't use the avatar at all and he fought better after he transformed again. Goku later said it wasn't about beating Gohan which could imply he was holding back but if we're going to use sources to say it was a full power battle, we have to use those same sources to say Gohan was also at full power after he breathed heavily from powering up. He's possibly fatigued, yes. But Goku also defended himself against Gohan while distracted by something else. Ui requires focus. Does it prove he's above Gohan? No, not in the slightest, but I think a lot of people want Gohan to be the strongest so badly that they'll say things to make Gohan seem stronger than he is while not applying the same logic to other characters.

[@Sinbad7S]

I’m glad someone has the common sense to include the Wafer stickers. It’s consistent and has the characters in a proper sequence

[@newhybrid101]

Its not consistent at all. But it gives some good additions to the scaling,it just needs some corrections

[@davidsuper773]

I wonder if Late Granola Arc Base Goku could beat up Moro arc Ultimate Gohan or better yet Android 18 Current against T.O.P 17

[@Salciiiiii]

goku and vegeta dont get there base that strong per arc ,only big jump we had was from bog to rof every other scaling like TOP is easily disproven

[@j.i.k2.044]

I do believe Saiyan beyond is a thing in the manga not just because of the RoF manga but also chapter 63 where Dende states that Goku's ki has reached god level

[@RevoluShane]

Make sure you make your argument seen in the videos comments! It’s out now!

[@96montecarlo1]

Hey Shane, great Vid, out of curiosity, you had Vegito Blue from the Zamasu Arc at 13,900, meanwhile you had Broly Movie Gogeta Blue at 14,200, so where you place a Current Gogeta Blue and Vegito Blue? And possibly if either used Blue Kaioken or Blue Evolution? Or heck, both at the same time?

[@CHT1992]

@people stating that UE makes no sense in the live chat. It makes as much sense as UI does. In reality it actually makes more sense since it has a more realistic state for a person to be in. The way they make UI in DBS, it is more of a state that no human being could achieve in reality. The two closest things we have to "body moving on its own" with little to no brain activity, is when a person is drunk enough to almost pass out but still be able to move and react sharply, the other closest thing, which is a shady/dark one, is passing out via the lack of oxygen, no oxygen, your body will try to fight to survive for a bit. They are opposites of each other, the equivalent to yin and yang. One focuses on adrenaline, the other focuses on body instinct. If we take IRL actions into consideration, adrenaline is often associated with a temporary "ignore all pain and use hidden strength for a short moment", UE is exactly that, Vegeta takes damage but it is more than likely that he isn't feeling the full extent of the damage when he receives it, which means his body is trying to tell his brain to slow down, but he will not because his brain and body are out of sync when using UE, so when all the damage kicks in, he collapses. For a first introduction of UE, it wasn't poorly written, what was poorly written was how they delivered the powerup, just to have it brushed aside instantly. Which obviously will piss off a lot of people, specially so when we were facing the constant ""it is a goku show, he always takes the win/spotlight" approach, which makes the entire plot, predictable, boring and not fun. DB fans want change from time to time, the way the arc ended was good since Goku did not win anything, it was actually Freeza. Body instinct is the opposite of adrenaline, when a person reacts without thinking first. Like when someone is in danger and your body just decides to make you move instantly before thinking, this is much rarer occurance than adrenaline spikes. Adrenaline can be controlled to some extent in many situations, body instinct is also controlled to some extent but requires proper training (but not controlled in the way DBS shows it to us). Of course in a reality perspective, not thinking and dodging anything is not realistic, but we do see Goku honing his body and making it sturdy to tank hits that are meant to damage him, there are people out there that meditate to achieve this kind of durability when delivering attacks or receiving them, others achieve it through nonstop training by perfoming the same physical task nonstop for a long time, the body gets used to it. This statement is also for Vegeta, but dumber if they decide to not evolve it beyond this state of "receive damage to get more power" without having a counter effect added later to compensate this downside factor. Also with UI, the issue is in the mind slowing down the body and it tends to function the best when used ASAP (not in long duration scenarios as it opens the possibility to create instability in the mind of the user), UE the issue is in the body slowing down the mind and also acts the opposite of UI (where it shines the best the longer it is used in battle, but if used for too long it can be a problem aswell). Which again, helps with the idea of "opposites", UI can't be fully utilized unless Goku achieves the right mindset, we have seen that multiple times and we know rage is also a factor for saiyans. Now for Vegeta, his mind is in the right spot, but his body is not, so he definetely has to do something to make the body on par with his mind when using UE. This goes to show that UE is in its early stages and will look dumb the first few times you see it, people need to understand that. I considered it dumb aswell initially, but after putting some thought and consideration to it, it makes sense that it is written like this and that Vegeta is taking all the damage to get stronger. This will be part of his evolution eventually, if they repeat the same process again of him taking all the damage and collapsing, then it is definitely poor writting or just trolling. Since toryama is not with us anymore, we will never know what his true intentions were going forward, so anything could happen now, including the trolling... But i do believe that UE is easier to control and adapt, all Vegeta needs to do is "get sturdy!" or... you know, find a way of passively healing while taking damage. He can syphon life force out of specific characters, it could be possible that he could learn to control that life essence and heal himself partially. Forced spirit fission was introduced as a big thing but written off instantly too and i am 100% sure they are going to ignore this ability going forward, because it automatically nullifies any merge, any fusion, any life force stolen and most likely any energy/ki stolen, this breaks any future villains that decide to do any of that and having vegeta around is no bueno, unless they nerf that sh*t, like they did with potara fusion...

[@Gypsygeekfreak17]

do i hear the ocean dub music

[@EternalShiningRadiance]

Welcome back my guy! Btw I didn't know if you say this video by Kazi or not kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoC1qYeOq91-h9k But he specifically talkd about Jump Force Goku and how he sees all of Anime/Manga as fiction. Since Marvel has Collabed with Mangas before, he essentially stated Jump Force Goku would see all of Marvel as fiction as well. Was wondering if you agreed or disagreed since I don't believe I've seen you powerscale Jump Force Goku. Oh and if you have any comment on his other powerscalings of comp Goku, would love to know. I'm glad to see you back in action.

[@Gypsygeekfreak17]

im here il watch

[@buildaggedonarmanaziie4462]

I really want Android 18 to train and become as strong as her brother and Goku and Vegeta, just have her up there with the big boys, I understand that she is a mother and all, but I would love for her to get that strong and be relevant and not be treated like the second rate characters like Tien and Piccolo and others. I also want to see Android 18 use force fields just like her brother.

[@nathangraegin1850]

I wouldn’t place angel moro over goku, goku with just one hit made moros body go out of whack, and before planet moro took gokus energy, goku was able to block moros attacks with one arm. And I think it’s safe to say when uub gave Goku power, goku kept it. It’s the same concept as when they did the god mode ritual.

[@Dexuz]

Angel Moro couldn't contain his power, without that limitation the fight would go on even for a while, and since Planet Moro absorbed a bit of the earthlings' energy before starting to fight, then he'd be stronger than UI Goku, if just a little.

[@nathangraegin1850]

@@Dexuz well ya once he started absorbing more power after fusing with the planet, he got the upper hand, but that’s just bc Goku was drained. Goku was still blocking and evading while trying to figure out how to win. Untill then Goku wasn’t struggling tbh.

[@godoffury9170]

Jiren is the strongest

[@Dexuz]

Pfp checks out

[@PaullewisProductions]

You should be cutting this up and reposting for ‘shorts’

[@Debateking-j1g]

Orange Piccolo bodies Gas

[@chewezx1767]

Beast>All

[@smeetjohnson2439]

Broly beats Moro mid diff. Gogeta beats that ui goku low diff they both are simply that guy

[@michaelbarrett8379]

UE Vegeta is over granolah, he got a power up from his fight with gas and was fighting on par with TUI vs zombie gas.

[@buildaggedonarmanaziie4462]

I always wanted Piccolo to stop being hoed and treated like a joke because Piccolo and Tien never stopped training and improving even in peaceful times, with Tien it would make sense that he is not taht strong because he is human, but with Piccolo, it is disrespectful how they do him, beacuse I believe that he should be stronger than he is made to be. Even in the Buu Saga it said that Piccolo was not as strong as Cell Saga Super Saiyans, including Super Saiyan 2 kid Gohan, and Vegeta even said in the Majin Buu Saga that Super Saiyan 2 Gohan vs Dabura, that Gohan was actually stronger when he was a kid fighting Cell, so that means that Super Saiyan 2 Gohan in the Buu Saga is weaker than Super Saiyan 2 kid Gohan, and Piccolo was still weaker than him. Even in Ressurection F, I believe that Piccolo should have been stronger than Gohan because Gohan wasn't training. I hate how they hoe Piccolo. Orange Piccolo, it was very lackluster, I don't really like how he has a powerup that is just a color change like the other things in Dragon Ball now, but I will accept it as it is if it means that Piccolo can be relative again and not be treated as a second rate joke again. I would have preferred something else, like... imagine this: Plot: Piccolo is attacked by Gamma 2, and he is defeated and captured by the Red Ribbon Army . They then turn Piccolo into an android like Android 17 and Android 18, and Piccolo has cybernetics on half of his face with a robotic eye, maybe his other eye is robotic or enhanced as well, and he has cybernetic parts on one arm and on his chest and abdomen and on both of his legs and they brainwash him and make him programmed to follow their orders and they use him as a weapon, just like Amanda Waller did to John Kent Superman in Absolute Power #2, and they use Piccolo to attack Gohan and Gohan gets beat up because he doesn't want to hurt Piccolo, and aside from Piccolo being an infinite energy model just like Androids 17 and 18 he also has the energy absorbing features built into him just like the ones on Android 19 and Android 20, Dr. Gero, and it is in his robot hand, maybe in his other hand, and in his mouth so he can literally open his mouth and "eat" energy blast coming to him, a little like Moto, so that increases his own power too. And they do that to Piccolo and use him as a weapon to take on Gohan and others, and, you know, they free Piccolo from their control and that would be a way to make Piccolo more powerful and dangerous and relevant again. I would have preferred something like that instead of just a color change, but it is what it is. Tell me what you all think.

[@Baselinehangtime8]

Where did you rank infinite zamasu?

[@Dexuz]

There's no Infinite Zamasu in the manga, he just clones a whole lot, and all clones are equal to one Zamasu.

[@Baselinehangtime8]

@@Dexuz I forgot he was not using the anime whatsoever Also, I just realized merged zamasu in the manga clone ability might have been another shoutout to dragon balls influencer sun wu in his ability to create infinite equal clones

[@Dexuz]

@@Baselinehangtime8 Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, like Broly's headband crown thing.

[@Baselinehangtime8]

@@Dexuz that be sooo fire

[@McCallwrld]

Adding ssjb vegito zamasu arc stronger than black Frieza is wrong because if it isn’t corrupted zamasu should be the same level as him because they fought evenly in the anime and ssj rage spirit boom trunks should be above them but that isn’t the case because surpassed Jiren is stated stronger than merged zamasu and zamasu arc vegito shouldn’t be the same level as broly arc gogeta because goku and vegeta has gotten far stronger than they where in the zamasu arc so gogeta should be far stronger than vegito Completed cell max won’t look like that he’s body was completed but he’s mind wasn’t Ssj2 enraged vegeta is stronger than ssj3 goku in bog Yes Ssjbe vegeta was weaker than mui which he admits but after he trained with beerus he wasn’t confident that’s his the strongest mortal in the universe without even achieving ue yet That’s toriyama statement will only imply to dbs sh broly because goku surpassed him in Moro arc and before granolah wish whis states that there’s no mortal stronger than goku and vegeta before granolah wish and whis witnessed the fight with gogeta and broly and none of them know broly can’t turn to ssj again

[@Shadowgod-l1m]

Gogeta is stronger than Beerus

[@user-bj6rf3yx6e]

Haha black arc vegito > jiren full power t.o.p

[@ty-ray1307]

There are several implications that the Ultra forms are near fusion level multipliers across all media Anime Dragon Ball Heroes -Goku defeats Cumber who is shown on par with Xeno and Blue Vegetto -Goku is confident that he could defeat Hearts if had access to UI it takes Blue Gogeta, Jiren, and Hit to do a feat Goku is confident he could do alone in Ui - UI Goku bodies Ssj3 Goku Black who then powers up and Gogeta uses blue evolution which is at least 20x that of Blue to defeat him -Jiren is superior to Cumber who beat two Vegetto and was shown holding his own against Xeno Broly who was shown battling Limit Breaker Vegetto and Blue Vegetto Manga -Fusion is suggested against Moro 73 but it is shut down because of forced spirit fission keep in mind you have to damage your opponent for the technique to work meaning Moro 73 is capable of damaging Gogeta something even Broly couldn't achieve this fusion level threat is destroyed by a refined Mui Goku and then further transforms and even then Goku was still confident against Angel Moro -Granola arc Goku and Vegeta surpassed Broly -Chapter 93 has Broly placed around the same level as other UI level characters such as Moro, Jiren, and Gas Broly was obviously a fusion-level threat -it is implied in 102 that Ultimate Gohan is a fusion-level multiplier with Goten and Trunks attempting to use fusion to match it -Beast Gohan defeats cell max which in raw power was comparable to Broly again Broly being a fusion-level threat -Mui rivals Beast Gohan this speaks for itself -A fatigued Beast Gohan has the upper hand on the fusion level threat Broly who in the manga doesn't have Lssj Games -Xenoverse Has Jiren going Equal with a stronger Broly who fought Gogeta -DB Legends has Gogeta more interested in fighting Jiren than Broly -Both Gogeta and Jiren are confident that Mui could defeat Lssj Broly -Jiren beats Broly in a scuffle before being overpowered by Gogeta -Establishes the scale of Gogeta>>Mui>Jiren>Broly -The arcade has Jiren fight Zamasu, Cumber, and Hearts at the same time three fusion level opponents -Sparking Zero -We will see Gogeta and Hercule fight Jiren I doubt Gogeta will not one-shot Jiren making them somewhat on par Jiren is obviously Mui-level -Mui Goku will fight lssj Broly and most likely win

[@Salciiiiii]

This is all easily disproven It’s actually the exact opposite Broly movie showed us UI isn’t even close to blue fusion and possibly even below ssj

[@Salciiiiii]

There is so many things wrong with what you said

[@ty-ray1307]

@@Salciiiiii Ui wasn't even in the movie this comment is easily disproven

[@Salciiiiii]

@@ty-ray1307Broly being above jiren destroys the entire argument of UI near fusion level Broly=>Beerus stated by Akira Beerus>Moro,Gas,Frieza etc Authors intent and narrative all suggest Broly >>>

[@Salciiiiii]

@@ty-ray1307Vegito blue is stated =>Beerus Again Beerus> Frieza etc

[@SeoulSavvy]

Your video is good but you made some mistakes that should be corrected.

[@SG-oc3fi]

Which

[@godoffury9170]

No way is Beerus stronger than Jiren

[@LA_Vandal562]

He is clown

[@Anos-voldigoad549]

Beerus>jiren>=gogeta>broly

[@mxrisotoxic5666]

@@Anos-voldigoad549JIREN OVER GOGETA!????

[@DARK_HADOO]

buddy this so fkin wrong, frieza in his second form had a power level of 1000000 so how tf is anybody above him DEFINITLY JIREN SINCE THATS THE PART IM ON RN AT A POWER LEVEL A LITTLE ABOVE 10k

[@SG-oc3fi]

Bruh

[@unitedsglory4486]

Ptsd from papa bardock 😂

[@SG-oc3fi]

Cell Max>Black Frieza

[@thestrong2401]

No way, cell max is weaker than broly. Gas was made the strongest in the universe which includes Broly, and Frieza obliterated him meaning Frieza is far stronger than Cell max.

[@laonekwiti6910]

Best ranking thus far❤

[@laonekwiti6910]

Also also,the blue Vegito fusion is the right one,the first one,blue vegito is berus level