The Superman Iceberg Explained

[@megaman9393]

Something weird I noticed throughout this video is that a lot of the cancelled Superman movies tried to use Brainiac. Maybe that’s the real “Superman Curse”.

[@El_Omar2203]

He is one of Supes most iconic bad guys, is like if we still didn't had a Batman film with Two Face.

[@ricardoperezaguilera1267]

@@El_Omar2203/ But Dark Knight and Batman Forever dont count?

[@MegaZeta]

and _Injustice 2_ adds the dystopian element of Brainiac destroying Krypton, suggesting its world was always warped towards evil… I guess people see potential

[@Sabrosas]

@@ricardoperezaguilera1267 no they're saying it's LIKE if two face didn't have any movies, not that he doesn't

[@flintlockwood25]

Makes me sad

[@voidaspects9173]

One minor note, the fact about power girl's chest actually is true, but it's not about her chest size. It's about the size of the window in her costume on her chest. It was the opening there that was made bigger, and what was being referred to, not the chest itself

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

51:06 TDKR Batman backhanding Rorschach is the last thing I expected but that's funny as hell. Also, Supergirl sure is packing in that art.

[@williamthe_birdwatcher3268]

She slipped a whole pillow pet in her shirt what is that anatomy 😭

[@theleonpasta7336]

The idea of Superman's dad thinking the Kryptonian way is best and wanting his son to impose that on Earth for the betterment of everyone is an interesting idea, cuz think about it Krypton is usually portrayed as a perfect technologically advanced utopia, maybe Supes' dad really would think it'd be worth it for Superman to basically turn Earth into a 2nd Krypton, plus in every continuity he sends Superman to Earth with a bunch of knowledge from their race adding to how that would make some sense if a writer were to use the idea again someday, hell you could probably even retcon this idea into the main continuity if you really wanted that's how interesting it is

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

are you sure? i remember something about how Krypton was Hierarchical and very corrupt...

[@theleonpasta7336]

@@jakespacepiratee3740 I usually think of Krypton as being basically a utopian society, but maybe other incarnations portray it in a less perfect light, I'm not too knowledgeable about the Superman mythos

[@MegaZeta]

It depends on how they write Krypton, really. Sometimes it's written as a utopia doomed through no fault of its own, but in many cases, it's written as a world defined by hubris.

[@TupocalypseShakur]

There's a reason that the Els were the only survivors. Krypton hated other planets and basically made having a ship you a criminal

[@Fenris30]

​@@MegaZetaThey started doing so Superman could focus on Earth more instead pining for Krypton like Silverage Superman did who could still remember it thanks to his superpowers.

[@jacobkoopmann4180]

We need a x-men iceberg. There’s so many things you can talk about

[@camanesis6003]

@gerald7908🎉😊😅uhnggt

[@troywithabrick1178]

Please do, I love X-men

[@tonystewart7179]

Goated comment

[@AugustFilmmaking]

here to tell you he just released one, one year later!!

[@mieszkot1]

Absolute legend, literally binge watch and rewatch your videos so often. Thank you so much for the hard work, literally can’t wait to watch this :)

[@zev2x762]

This man deserves way more credit!!!🤣🤣🤣

[@ClayMaster001]

I hope This guy gets to make more videos other that ice bergs so hope

[@ClayMaster001]

Hope is key to super man and to pig pen hopefully not having to make ice bergs for the rest of the career

[@GizmosHouse]

The concept art for Superman lives is so beautiful, I wish we could at least get an animated version

[@foster9315]

Well hey at least it got referenced in The Flash

[@CaptainHavfun-lp4ok]

The animated movies for DC are usually good. Superman Lives would be good.

[@logannewman6166]

keep making these man, I always love how you make these iceberg charts yourself, must take goddamn hours in research, we appreciate your commitment

[@TevyaSmolka]

I am still pissed that we never got that Superman family animated show because that show could’ve been great and tons of fun.

[@altalia07]

It looked cute, huge shame it never happened

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@altalia07 indeed it did looked cute and super adorable and even cooler it had both superman and Lois and my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self hanging out as a family along side krypto which looked freaking fantastic at least in my opinion. :)

[@mountnstream]

Both congratulations for the milestone; and thank you for a video that's about Superman that doesn't involve too much negativity, like the tired argument that he's "boring and unrelatable," but focuses on the weird and fun parts. Although the criticism of there being too many "evil Supermen" in media I 100% approve being highlighted, even though I wouldn't blame DC for since it's their character.

[@mattyt3625]

It is DCs fault as they worship batman and shit on all the other characters that aren't their god

[@sebastianquinchia1840]

​@@mrfact03she's just so chill and a sweetheart. I'd love to be friends with someone like him

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

Match in Young Justice actually inverts the whole "clone of a clone" by being the FIRST clone of Superman before Superboy. But because he was created purely from Kal's DNA, he wasn't as sable as half-human Superboy. In later years, he would devolve physically as well (pale skin, swollen limbs and deformed facial features) and essentially become the show's take on Bizarro.

[@Ray-c1r]

Thank you for making this one, my Dad put me onto SUPERMAN, as he was a kid, baby when Superman was released, he was born in 36, r.i.p. Pops and thanks for everything 1936 - 2022. Superman > Batman anyday and would always kick Batman ass.

[@MistarZtv]

Man this video was so fun to watch, having been watching CasuallyComics for years now its so fun seeing these more obscure and really out there superman/supergirl stories and facts.

[@adriancastaneda786]

I gotta say man, including old commercials from back in the day always make me nostalgic for that sort of stuff. Love your videos dude, they’re great to binge while I work.

[@legokiller3579]

I would pay so much money to go to the universe where Muhammad Ali played Superman and Christoper Lee played Zod

[@RabblesTheBinx]

I wanna see the universe where Muhammad Ali _beat_ Superman and ask him how it felt to beat a guy who is basically a literal god.

[@OmniDan26]

@@RabblesTheBinx that was promotional material, not cannon. try again.

[@RabblesTheBinx]

@omniguy8426 come back when you have above a first-grade reading level. Also, the word is "canon".

[@Krakkokayne]

"Do you know what sound a person makes when they get shot in the back with eye lasers? Because i do"

[@C.G.Jr.]

SUPERMAN IS A KIIIIIIIIIIING Would love to see a live action Superman film with the bold, jazz-like style of Superman The Animated Series. Can't wait to binge this lol

[@johnofonett8036]

You are an absolute legend, dude! Your icebergs are the most in-depth and enjoyable on all of KZbin! Congrats on 50k!

[@grug1343]

Thank you so much for making these videos, Pigpen! These iceberg vids you make are absurdly entertaining to me, and I always put them on whenever I see a new episode. Merry Christmas dude!

[@jerryborjon]

It seems that more people accept that Superman beats Goku nowadays. It may be because Superman’s feats are getting more shared around nowadays in Shorts and TikTok.

[@maximo21]

Not at all my friend, at least i just live around people who thinks goku beats him easily, i really don't like those discussions but that's it

[@MegaZeta]

Kind of depressing that these stories are reduced to "feats", "lore", "canon", etc. in the minds of so many, especially kids

[@jerryborjon]

@@MegaZeta - It’s just a different way to appreciate stories. Not everyone has to like things in a certain particular way

[@sodapopsoden926]

Let’s be honest. Goku will want to spar super man as this is goku nature. Superman might play ball because of goku’s childish charm. But the only way they will ever go all out on each other, is if one decides to destroy earth, but they both love earth, the real question is. when they meet up, how many episodes before Vegeta gets jealous of goku and Superman’s friendship 😂.

[@Alex-ft8bs]

Not true, it really depends on what version of Superman and even which version of Goku, and one of the biggest issues with Superman is that his canon is rewritten so much that his feats get mixed into one character when that is not the case.

[@naheemquattlebaum2267]

This was great to relax to. The world of Superman is more interesting than people give it credit for!

[@SkeleGem]

Notice how so many of these elseworld stories are just “what if Superman landed in THIS place instead of Kansas”.

[@MikeVonwolkenstein]

Amazing iceberg, very nice Christmas gift. Despite your views on Superman, you did any amazing job on uncovering the wacky side of his continuity. Awesome stuff 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@_mango_]

The real Superman is Pigpen for making this iceberg for us for Christmas. You’re awesome bro, been watching since last year and you earned that 50K!

[@thespookymage6294]

Another masterful video! I am glad you still do iceburg content, it takes a lot of work but nobody does them like you do.

[@Pigpen_YT]

thank you sticks the badger

[@SkylightCiel]

The Day Brainiac finally gets a movie adaptation will be the day DC finally has their crap together

[@JDCardwell80]

Bizarro as well

[@bullrun2772]

lol yeah 😊

[@venomj8179]

We in 2024 & we still don't have a brainiac movie 😂

[@anotherrandomguy8871]

Superman not getting a movie because the director was scared of flying is like a Batman movie getting canceled because the director was scared of bats. That’s honestly pretty funny.

[@iwonttellmynametoamachine5422]

More like the director was afraid of emotional damage ^^

[@ChadwickThompson-i8s]

@@iwonttellmynametoamachine5422a director who’s afraid of the dark

[@verclinlopez4722]

Terrible analogy. Your joke but better: a director who is afraid of prep time, plot armor, his parents dying.

[@kyuketsukirook]

​@@verclinlopez4722ok

[@viderevero1338]

@@verclinlopez4722 ...What? That joke made no sense. It's actually funny how unfunny that joke is. It's supposed to be simple, understandable and relatable. Who isn't afraid of their parents dying. It's more like if a Batman director was afraid of the dark, so had to film every single moment in blindingly white light, and remove and darken it in post.

[@dravenmartinez6311]

I love how you go in depth with every entry, and also no joke entries.

[@God_gundam36]

Post 9/11 Frank Miller only had one thing on his mind and it was "how can I include al qaeda into this DC comic.

[@michaelbertoline6190]

Another fantastic iceberg. The fact that you said you weren’t even that into Superman shows how good you are getting at these!

[@timothylewis2527]

I'm late to the party but I recall seeing the deleted scenes from Superman 2 and 3 in theaters or on network television as a kid. Maybe they got deleted over the decades due to changes in what's acceptable but they were definitely there. Even the scene where the kid was killed. "He was just a boy" "And he'll never be a man."

[@Pigpen_YT]

Crazy one of the hardest lines in cinema got cut

[@SkellyLovesPizza]

oh a pigpen iceberg video truly the best christmas gift of them all…

[@hellblazer1086]

This is a nice surprise before Christmas! Merry Christmas, Pigpen. Congratulations on 50k subs! Thanks for all the great content over the past couple years. Looking forward to what next year brings!

[@wumbosaur6111]

The fact that you don’t even have 100k subs yet is criminal I didn’t realize how long I’ve been watching your videos without being subscribed you are literally THE iceberg guy to me

[@MegamiImperatrix]

You make the best icebergs. Edit: Also some versions of Goku defeat Clark, some versions of Clark defeat Goku.

[@markmagician2471]

Sadly wouldn't it be most versions of Clark defeating Goku?

[@chocolattemocha8512]

tbh i always thought a fight between superman and goku would end in a draw. it just makes sense to me. and then they just chill and hang out, maybe even grab something to eat

[@afrosaiyan]

@@chocolattemocha8512that’s literally the most likely and reasonable outcome for both of their characters but fans don’t want that they wanna see their favorite win no matter what

[@RabblesTheBinx]

I mean, maybe if you cherry pick the absolute weakest versions of Clark, but in general, no. Every mainstream version of Superman dating all the way back to the Golden Age has the feats to wreck any version of Goku, no matter what non-canon anime- or game-exclusive bullshit you want to throw in there. I don't think you quite understand how insanely overpowered Clark actually is. Goku's best feats are things Superman had already done years beforehand, and on a larger scale. But, yeah, in reality, they'd never fight seriously.

[@markmagician2471]

@@RabblesTheBinx pretty sure Golden Age Superman not beating Goku unless it's kid Goku

[@Chillgamesh]

Thanks for the 3 hour Christmas special!

[@AshTreeDweller]

Holy moly! Your iceberg videos are always so in depth. Much appreciated!

[@MohOneTV]

I love Superman! Thankyou for this video even if you don’t care for the character, I respect that you gave us what we wanted

[@t.rexking441]

Superman is my favorite DC superhero and in my opinion is the greatest superhero of all time. Thank you for making this video, I like to listen to your videos as I play video games. You make great content and I want to congratulate you on reaching 50k :)

[@BigReek99]

I agree with you bro, Superman is also my favorite and in my opinion the greatest superhero of all time

[@joeytemplin1667]

Words can’t describe how much I love you for making this. Thank you and Merry Xmas ❤️💙💛

[@FinallyAlone]

Merry what ever you celebrate. 🎄

[@jamesabernethy7896]

I browsed through all the content creators for fresh content earlier and must have missed this by minutes. Fun information in an even funnier format, thanks for keeping us entertained with your great work. Have a good xmas and New Year, see you all on the other side in 2023.

[@BroomPusher2024]

1950s/60s superman is a helluva drug

[@marvelfannumber1]

That's funny, I was literally googling if somebody had made a Superman iceberg yesterday and didn't find much. Then the next day this happens.

[@MikeCreepyPasta]

Hell yeah! I hate when people say Superman sucks. Hes part of the big 3 of Superheroes and hes one of my favourites. So pumped for this video

[@solitudesoul8829]

one of my favorite icebergs from you, we needed a superman iceberg from you

[@crimsonking4379]

Take a shot whenever he says "In this film, superman would fight Brainiac"

[@IcedSynergy]

First christmas with my parents divorced and each are ignoring me for their new families so this is a perfect gift! Thanks so much pigpen you honestly made my christmas a whole lot better

[@alexboehm3919]

Love the video! I can’t wait to see what other Icebergs you come up with! Keep up the great work! Also, one thing about pink kryptonite. In the animated series justice league action, superman is fighting Metalo, who uses kryptonite to get the upper hand. Firestorm is present and tries using his powers to turn the kryptonite into lead, but he can’t remember the chemical formula. So he ends up turning the green kryptonite into all other types of kryptonite, including a pink variation. This version of the substance turns Superman from male to female, but doesn’t actually weaken him. Because of this, the now woman of steel is easily able to defeat metalo.

[@chaydaddy698]

Love all these videos man, genuinely so underrated, love the covering of all these different things, I’ll keep watching every one 🙏

[@thejohnnyo]

Just finished the entire video and now subscribed. Great job my man

[@cameronbuckles5373]

These videos keep me going at work. Love how deep you get into these topics. Always have a smile on my face when I see them pop up.

[@petehill7280]

Merry Christmas, PigPen. And thank you for this iceberg.

[@manchild7923]

Great video pigpen. I love and respect the amount of time and research you put into these. They're all extremely interesting and get my through my shifts at work.

[@mikunakano8187]

Would love to see a Teen Titan Iceberg video or Green Lantern since there a lot to learn about the many rings and people who posesses them

[@mgkiryuu]

Very cool stuff. Can't believe the sheer length you made this, but I am happy. And the fact that you broke it up by chapters. Way easier to keep track of when I put this on during my lunches at work :) I know it is a bit of a niche subject, but maybe one day you could get to a King Kong, Gamera or Ultraman iceberg to compliment your Godzilla one you did a while back :) I mean all 3 are having big resurgence as of late. You got the Skull Island tv series, you got Shin Ultraman breaking all kinds of records for tokusatsu and the well recieved Netflix series, and you got the upcoming anime Gamera series for Netflix.

[@FlamingoRadio_]

I’ve really been enjoying My Adventures With Superman so I wanted to learn more about him outside of the base level knowledge every nerd knows, thank you for this video!

[@danielwesley5051]

Honestly, Superman and Goku would probably just be friends and fight for fun. Superman would get to cut loose and not hold back, and Goku will fight anything that moves and enjoy the heck out of it.

[@lunasrojas_]

You are my absolute favorite Iceberg content creator. Every time I see one of your videos to be 3 hours long it is very exciting, I love loooong iceberg charts

[@orngcreator6115]

Merry Christmas Pigpen! Thanks for making an iceberg on one of my favorite superhero’s!

[@fmg_draws]

Another great video, man. I watched the entire thing while drawing and got a lot of work done without getting bored

[@gazem_3211]

"Honey, wake up, Pigpen just uploaded a new iceberg"

[@skyking5019]

a day when pigpen uploads is a great day

[@MaxCartwright]

Hey man, I just wanted to say thank you for these videos, they really help me focus and I always come away with some cool obscure knowledge :)

[@229chedder1]

Let’s go I’m so excited for this. Keep up the great work man. Love all your videos!!

[@radiak55]

If you're reading Superman comics I suggest you pick up Superman by Tomasi and Gleason omnibus that is a good introduction to a new dynamic shift where he becomes a father raising a young Superboy

[@ultimateaquiles]

I think the "Superman Curse" is so stupid. Like, it doesn't matter if you played Superman or not, if you get in an accident or get diagnosed Alzheimer's that's just how life goes. Like those things would've happened to those people either way, it's just the natural course of life lmao. It's not like the Madden curse where it actually legitimately seems like a curse given how many consistent cases of misfortune there were

[@theleonpasta7336]

True, like if literally everyone who played/voiced Superman suffered misfortune afterwards I could see why some people would think it's a legitimate curse, but only like a handful of the people who have played Superman have suffered any incidents afterwards, and most of them definitely would have had it happen either way, it isn't like with Madden where the same thing happened to nearly every player who appeared on the cover (that being them getting injured which honestly is almost as flimsy as the evidence for the Superman Curse since obviously football players are gonna get injured sometimes, it's just weird how consistent it is with the Madden thing, but yea the Superman Curse just doesn't hold up to scrutiny IMO, like not only are the "misfortunes" completely random without any sort of patten but there's also only a few legitamate examples you can use as "proof", also it seems like if the "curse" did exist it ended around the 2000's since Smallville Supes' and the other ones since haven't had any "misfortune" to speak of [yet...I suppose theres still time for that to be proven wrong, i hope not tho ofc], so yea idk the Superman thing just seems circumstantial at best 😅)

[@thewaterlord27]

Merry Christmas Pigpen. Thank you for all the wonderful content you made for us.

[@Mojothecomicfan1985]

Great vid your the best iceberg channel

[@rhenpenada2424]

lmaooo the ultraman fake-out was so funny

[@Pigpen_YT]

I had to do it

[@SpiderBud420]

I've watched this like 4 times love your videos lol

[@Deadwolf27]

I assumed the creatures from man of steel were nightwings since in the comics Superman gave the title to Dick based on a bird/superhero from Krypton

[@juliagoodwin9510]

Sweet! Merry Christmas and thanks for the lovely gift!

[@mr.frenzy3709]

Pigpen delivering another banger once again! Thank you for the hard work, Mery Christmas mate!

[@garfielflasaga1781]

Didn't even know you were making this but im glad you did, happy holidays.

[@theultimatetails138]

Thank you for making these icebergs. Thanks to you, I'm learning about good storytelling, the do's and don'ts of making a entertainment company. I'm currently going through college and school of trying to revive the show "My Life as a Teenage Robot". Not really reviving the show, more like a heavy inspiration of Call of Duty, Battlefield, Demon Souls, Dark Souls 1, Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3, Elden Ring, Sekiro : Shadows die twice, Bloodborne, Remnant: From the Ashes, Code Vein, Halo, Left 4 Dead series, Half Life series, Back 4 Blood, Marvel, DC, Capcom, Doom, Star Wars, Killing Floor, Gears of War, God of War, My Life as a teenage robot, Danny Phantom, Gravity Falls, Star vs the forces of evil, El Tigre, Invader Zim, Hazbin Hotel, Naruto, One Piece, My Hero Academia, One Punch Man, The Mighty Heroes, Kaiju, Sacred Geometry, Paleontology, History, Agartha, Cryptozoology, Folklore, Mythology, Christian Angelology, Christian Demonology, and the death of my baby nephew. Maybe in the future I'll make a "My Life as a Teenage Robot" Iceberg along with other icebergs as well. You're truly a hard working man.

[@jakeheye4931]

Cool! Hope your able to revive My life as a Teenage Robot! Keep at it!

[@blakemcgowan4031]

Ive never seen a superman movie in my life. Still watched the whole video. Great job mate.

[@redaxer2908]

Shia Lebouf as Jimmy Olsen and Robert Downey jr. as Lex Luthor would've been something to see

[@lindnerfish]

Wow, so much strangeness lurking behind the blue spandex history… Amazing video, great information, definitely looking forward to more analysis. Bravo.

[@KEEPTALKIN8215]

Ever thought about an X-Men iceberg or if you just want to keep it to one character then maybe just a Wolverine iceberg? Also unrelated to this question what's your favorite comic villain? If I had to pick one I would go for Dr Doom.

[@husseinrose4883]

Small correction: it was during the beginning of infinite crisis that superboy prime punched reality, not crisis on infinite earths

[@Skulley_M]

Honestly, I love superman secret identity. The story is really interesting and the later parts of his life is super deep and thoughtful.

[@twitterplug]

New sub❗️ been using your icebergs to sleep! Voice so soothing keep up the growth

[@DQBlizzard_]

1:29:47 the fact that thjey didnt call it "The Daily Beagle" is shocking

[@datcroobo694]

Bro im amazed about such a dedicated guy that you are! A 3 hour long iceberg video, by far one of the best i've seen.

[@enjoyerofstuff]

Easily one of the best iceberg KZbinrs. Love your videos man.

[@theseattle2062]

I think you've secured the spot as the best iceberg youtuber on the platform.

[@loganwillman7300]

The lego iceberg is probably my favorite, but I binge a lot of your videos. Keep it up!!

[@Milkywaybutcooler]

Idk how you make 3 hours not feel boring I was continuously interested and made me laugh make more please 🖤

[@Kade_Kapes]

I would absolutely LOVE a Wonder Woman version of this.

[@chadking375]

She doesn’t warrant it, unlike Batman and Superman she’s not really a main character.

[@SchwarzSchwertkampfer]

This man made a 3 hrs superman lore movie. Most impressive test of will.

[@emilianovillarruelhernande343]

Microwave man was just make a wish for an old villain guy Ps: thanks for doing such a long video for Christmas, the gift is appreciated

[@polardemonyt]

happy new year, Pigpen... just finished watching this Iceberg after a week, really an enjoyable one

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

Hey, speaking of Superman, did you know the current actor for Superman in the DCEU is leaving the DCEU Franchise to persue his love for Warhammer 40K and direct a movie of it? James Gun is also going to be rebooting the DCEU. Good for them both, but i feel kinda sorry for the DCEU as i thought with movies like Aquaman and Shazam, it was finally picking up steam... Merry New Years and Happy Christmas and Merry Holidays Pigpen!

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@Edits but Henry is a big fan of 40K so i dont think he is too sad over the break-up.

[@elijahlewis6174]

i will NEVER get over the nostalgic commercials u insert i swear.

[@lucymoody4927]

Thank you for the Superman video. He does have fans and we appreciate it.

[@onemariobro]

The worse thing about Superman 64 is that it’s the only Superman the Animated series based game and it was Superman 64

[@by00yb]

I am gonna be on a drive for 3 hrs tonight. This video will be so helpful. Bless up fam, and happy holidays

[@mickeyveach3612]

I remember The Cape. And yes I watched and loved it unironically.

[@4JBrewer]

"SIX SEASONS AND A MOVIE!!!"

[@ChrispyChrunchy]

I thought the cape was a fever dream

[@mickeyveach3612]

@@ChrispyChrunchy definitely a flash in the pan moment in time. Completely forgot it existed.

[@fredricotraversiere8868]

That was Super Amazing Pigpen Keep it up 😀😎👍🤘❤

[@tj5425]

Man I love this content. I know I'm late to the party but this is just good shit man. Thank you

[@orngcreator6115]

Another fun fact for people about Superman. His villain Ultra Humanite (the white big brained ape) is considered in some circles as the first super villain. Pretty cool if true!