The epic showdown: archery vs sling techniques

[@grbdevnull5611]

As a sling enthusiast, I am happy with (and agree with) your conclusion. The bow probably is better, but the sling is not just some kids toy.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah for sure, it’s not on par overall for viability and logistic capabilities but is still supremely powerful

[@Sue_Me_Too]

The sling is/was a self-evidently effective weapon. Same time, nobody kept using them after crossbows and guns were invented.

[@DaysofElijah317]

They were use into the medieval period

[@blissseeker4719]

@@dashrendar5320 take into consideration the ammuniton for the sling is extremely common and natural. Crafting arrows would take more time though in fairness, arrows are just sharpened sticks

[@tyler1768]

Advantage with sling unlimited ammo just pick up rocks off the ground that's it no arrow lighter but take time to make and take up space

[@Couponuser16]

An advantage an arrow has over a stone is it sticks in. We always think of these weapons as anti-personnel, but if I'm fighting a dude on a horse I want something that will stick into the horse and cause more damage as it moves around. An advantage of a rock is, well, it's a rock. On August 17th, 1920 Ray Chapman died in an MLB game after getting hit in the head by a baseball. About 5oz of soft leather from 20yds away, lights out. Keep up the great work!

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah for sure! I have talked about the benefits of archery against a Calvary charge on horses vs hardened plate armor, which it will not do as well against

[@michaelnewswanger2409]

The Spanish were afraid of the Inca slingers, one of the reasons was the stoned killed horses like bullets.

[@ab5olut3zero95]

@@dashrendar5320respectfully, mounted troops are CAValry. CALVary is a hill in Jerusalem.

[@robgraham5320]

Since 1920, seven Cricketers have died by being struck by balls, six by bowls (pitches) one by a batted ball coming straight back at the bowler. Impact has a lot of effect. Abdul Aziz of Pakistan (d. 1959) and Martin Bedkober of Australia (d. 1975) both were struck in the center chest by thrown balls resulting in rapid heart failure.

[@thefatefulforce8887]

I am glad you are loving the arrowheads brother. Good to see they are coming in handy 😁

[@dashrendar5320]

For sure man! Truly appreciated

[@MyBodyIsReggie1]

Bows can also be shot more easily in relatively confined spaces or with obstacles around you where the sling could get caught on like trees or bushes

[@dashrendar5320]

Indeed, very true, it does lend itself better to that especially recurve or short bows

[@Sue_Me_Too]

"Which weapon is better?" "Well, who am I fighting?"

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha spoken like a true inquisitor and not a space marine 💪

[@Sue_Me_Too]

@@dashrendar5320 Wrong, obviously Virus Bomb is best in all situations. Only the weak have doubt!

[@PaulGualtieri-m6v]

Roman slingers used lead shot shaped like an American football that's flat. Those end points would penetrate far better than a round rock.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yes lead in general is far superior in many ways

[@nbNJ90]

@@dashrendar5320 But then you need to start melting down and shaping your lead. That takes time and expertise. Another inconvenience. The best slingers in the Roman era were lifelong practitioners, from the Balearic Islands, where they practice it as a sport to this day.

[@Likexner]

@@dashrendar5320 Can you get a few whistling bullets and test them? That would be awesome!

[@doloinc]

​@@nbNJ90if you have a thumb or thumb shaped stick and a camp fire, you can make Roman shaped glandes

[@JhinHih-pb2gp]

It's hard to choose The bow is great but the satisfaction of finally hitting your target with a long sling is just better But at the same time bows are bows and are also amazing

[@dashrendar5320]

100% it’s just such a clean feeling to get that sling shot just right!

[@Acroballistics]

There is a Greek legend that in a single combat duel between two generals one put his armor on, then the other chose the bow and no armor (thinking he could win with agility) and then the armored one got his sling and out-shot the archer, because the sling had longer range than the bow. That's a legend, personally I find it hard to believe that someone would get hit at max range of either bow or sling, incoming sling projectiles are more difficult to see than arrows but if you constantly move at long ranges it's gonna be impossible to get hit. In formations the whole dynamics change..

[@dashrendar5320]

That’s very cool. I have never heard of that legend all good points as well

[@Acroballistics]

@@dashrendar5320 you should give it a look. it's Strabo Geography book VIII 3.33

[@dashrendar5320]

I for sure will thank you

[@rahzoriel2103]

The Greek legends might have to do with the Balearic islands, where it is said that after kids could wield slings, they had to hit their food from a hundred paces to eat until they could reliably hit with their slings. They put the food in small amphorae and had to break them down or at least hit them. Not sure the exact points, but its pretty brutal when you think kids at like five years old having to hit targets to eat until they came proficient with the weapons.

[@Acroballistics]

@@rahzoriel2103 the legend I am referring to is Strabo, Geography, Book 8, chapter 3, section 33 edit: I think it is written as a myth I'm not sure. it talks about Aetolians and Epeians which are Greek

[@grbdevnull5611]

Props for recognizing that Robin Hood is an animated fox!

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha the only real Robin Hood in my eyes

[@RachDarastrix2]

Yeah what is up with people who think he was a human? Humans didn't exist yet. Humans didn't exist until 40 years after the events of Zootopia during which they waged a war of conquest that ended with humanity being blasted back into the stone age while animals got devolved back into an animalistic state. But the birds and reptiles actually ended up better off as the Zootopians banished them to live underground. There was a strange period of advanced birds and reptiles with stone age humans for slaves that lasted 500 years before humans eventually revolted.

[@RachDarastrix2]

Some of you might be about to ask me, "Wait, if Robinhood was a fox from over a thousand years before there were humans, then where did humans come from?" Well see, 144 years before the events of Zootopia there was a chimpanzee who married his cousin. They had children who married their cousins and siblings, who had children who married their cousins and siblings, who had children who married their cousins and siblings, who had children who married their cousins and siblings, and then had children who married their cousins and siblings, resulting in a generation of chimpanzees that could no longer have children with non relatives. In fact, the Chimpanzee who married his cousin starting all this, these 2 were referred to as "Mister and misses Human." That's where the name comes from.

[@dashrendar5320]

The sheer dedication needed to write that entire explanation is noted and appreciated 😂

[@hawkknight4223]

Exceptional Work. I can’t imagine how many years that took you all combined. Bow and sling! Just for the potential of ammo laying around! If they had the skill. And not in tight quarters! It would be terrifying to face it even today.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend, yeah the sling is a crazy devastating weapon if used well: and it can be done so much faster than even I can do it

[@BMO_Creative]

"It's breezy and good for stretching" LOL

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha it for sure is!

[@ovelhinhodascavernas6120]

Another amazing video idea!! He never fails to deliver

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you, my friend, glad you enjoyed it

[@marianajmj]

This is the coolest, nerdiest channel. I really enjoy your content.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you so much. So glad you enjoy it

[@TheLonghunterBowyer]

Great video man

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you as always, my friend

[@nubbyfresh5623]

I'm now currently scrolling through Etsy looking for a handmade sling big enough to launch tennis balls for my dog LOL

[@dashrendar5320]

Nice! I get them from “hilltophurler”

[@nubbyfresh5623]

@@dashrendar5320 I'll check them out, thank you 👍

[@FitFrHome]

That intro 😂 you’re both grown ass men! 😂😂😂 great video man

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha thanks man, glad you enjoyed it

[@DuxLindy]

happy you've been sticking to long form content, it's really good. slings are awesome: super portable and easy to manufacture compared to a bow, not to mention you're lobbing massive rocks. stavros is cool, I've been watching his channel for a short while too.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thanks my friend, I am sticking with long form for sure, so much more fun to make and put together. Slings are indeed truly great and can be an absolute menace

[@nbNJ90]

@@dashrendar5320 Are all self bows so hard to draw fully? Or just the massive one you got in the video?

[@nbNJ90]

@@dashrendar5320 Also, perhaps you could have tested a composite bow that was contemporary to the golden age of slingers before great bow tech was widely available, perhaps dating from deep BC to 700 BC (siege of lachish).

[@nbNJ90]

@@dashrendar5320 Roman bows, apparently, were not all that wonderful, hence their additional reliance on pilum, javelins, slings, and ballistae.

[@nevisstkitts8264]

IMO the side that organized both slingers and archers gained a tremendous advantage over an adversary that relied only on one or the other, all other factors being equivalent ... Excellent video!

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend. As always, so glad you enjoyed it

[@nevisstkitts8264]

@@dashrendar5320 sometimes I even go back and watch again ...

[@kuvshinikow]

Dude, you should do an arrow-making tutorial! A lot of us would probably benefit. Quick story: I always thought your wall of hay-bales was great, but I figured it was a fancy set up for a guy who does this a lot. Just got my first longbow and discovered HOLY CRAP is it easy to lose arrows 😆 So needless to say I am also building a wall of hay bales. Thanks a million for the inspiration!!! I'm hitting the weights and working on my fundamentals so I can graduate to a warbow 💪

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahaha dude it’s not joke!!! They disappear in a heartbeat. Like you can see them fall and then poof, they are gone haha. I did an arrow making video in the past but I should Do another one soon. Also thank you, so kind of you to say and good luck on your journey 💪🏹

[@bastienagullo9488]

I was waiting for this topic ! i would say the right answer is " it depend of the era " . Antiquity battles where made in a really big scale by comparison to medieval time wich as 2 results : a. You need to equip a HUGE amount of men with cheap mass produced ranged weapon and bullets (ex : Zama in 202 BC was 75 000 mens VS hastings in 1066 AC was about 20.000 mens) not the same scale , not the same logistic. b. battle where made really différently. Antiquity battle where "slow" soldier formations where much larger in that time so it was certainly easier for slings to make a lot a damage (on a long distance) even with untrained mens. Medieval battle where much more " mobile " with smaller formations and had more cavalry (proportionaly) and slings are probably not as good as bows when it come to hit moving targets or small groups of ennemies (on a long distance). Sooo at this point it was probably quicker to train peoples with archery. In medieval time slings where also less versatile than bows when it come about castle defence. Its less practicle to properly use a sling in a big formation from a castle wall. Specialy if the ennemy is under your aim angle (near the wall) at this point its probably better to take a big rock and throw it by hands (wich they did). Slings where still used in medieval time because of 2 main advantages : a- It was still cheap way to make a lot of damage b- Projectiles are not really impacted by wind and rain by comparison to arrows wich make slings "more reliable" depending on the context. Sry for this long comment.. excellent Vidéo as always. thx Dash

[@dashrendar5320]

Oh wow, all excellent points, if anyone has any questions about a good response, I will be sure to refer them to your comment

[@HamsterTMS]

I do both, and I think they're both very Superior in their own ways. They function differently, they use different types of ammo, they have a different type of attack, and they both require a lot of practice. The bow and arrow is for piercing, while the sling is for blunt. My favorite thing about them is that they are both very fun.

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha agree on all front, especially the last part 💪🏹🪨

[@mattdefreitas525]

You brighten up my day man haha that opening was so funny. My favourite KZbin channel by far. Love nerding out with ya

[@dashrendar5320]

That makes me so happy to hear, not only that some other people actually appreciate my humor as well, but that it brightens your day. Hope you have a great weekend, my friend.

[@davesheppard8797]

Excellent video again Dash!! Dave. 👏👏👏👍👍👍

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you, my friend, always happy to hear that you have enjoyed it

[@tobyward7486]

I absolutely loved your intro today, had me chuckling to my self the whole way 😂 both amazing weapons but my heart will always belong to the longbow ❤ Keep up the great work brother 👍

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha thanks man. Glad you enjoyed it, I had a ton of fun making it. Made myself laugh a little too hard I think

[@RoseKB22]

Awesome video! Also, it's a tunic! You're wearing a tunic! lol

[@gregkral4467]

They are both fun.

[@dashrendar5320]

That they are 100%

[@fjalling]

Very fun introduction!

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you so much glad you enjoyed it

[@simonthedevil452]

This was fun. I think the bow has the edge for lethality but no one wants to be bludgeoned with big rocks.

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha I would second that

[@ynk_8]

My sire, this is the best channel on youtube nowadays.

[@dashrendar5320]

You are far too kind my friend, thank you most kindly

[@TheGrace020]

Incredible work as usual Dash! 💪😎

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you most kindly

[@lovelandfrog5692]

Just checking in to see the beard progress. Beautiful. Edit: 1:00 oh my heavens

[@dashrendar5320]

😂😂😂

[@themartyr9086]

Fantastic video 🎉 that opening skit killed me 😂😂😂

[@dashrendar5320]

Glad it gave you a chuckle, made myself laugh as well haha: so happy other people found it funny.

[@luckrequired5382]

It's also the better sneaky weapon, with little elbow room needed to wind up as well as being silent(er) than the sling (breaking air with that whirring spin noise), but most importantly (as you said) it's precise. However, that puts the Atlatl in a unique position, as the lovechild of the two, it has accuracy, sneakiness and speed on its side. Perfect for taking out anyone who dares diss the -skirt- war pyjamas. 13:27 Also, why do you have a giant PS5 dumped next to the hay???

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahahaha it does kind of look like that huh, just an old archery target. Yeah the allays is super cool but has very little power to punch through armor

[@RT-fb6ty]

The Terminal ballistics energy can be figured with the velocity and weight of the projectiles. Although deep arrow wounds would probably be more devastating than the blunt trauma of the rock, I certainly wouldn't want to receive either.

[@christopherarnold4692]

Loved this. Keep up the great work. :)

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend! Glad you enjoyed it

[@bhorrthunderhoof4925]

Love your videos, interesting and funny! 🍻

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend! Glad you enjoy them

[@trikepilot101]

The fact that you only got glancine blows with the sling on the helmet shows the superior accuracy of the bow, and you don't hurt what you don't hit, but the sling would be very useful against massed troups and it would be logistically easier to keep supplied with ammo so you could just send masses of stones in the general direction of your enemies.

[@vicentcampsvilallonga]

There are some points that I can tell you: 1st, shooting so close with such a long slingshot does not give you more power, with a slingshot that is 8-10 centimeters shorter you will see how your aim and power improve. 2º the turns are much better than the last times, now you don't turn as fast and you gain control. 3º using river or sea stones, round or oval, you have more density in the projectile and you gain power and kinetic energy, so the impact is more destructive. 4º a note of logic, a group of 30 or 40 men firing at the same time and concentrating the shots on a point on the enemy line, could get several hits in a row on the same shields and break them or render them useless quickly.

[@patricj951]

Interesting video! If I understand it right: with a sling you get greater kinetic energy and momentum, but with a bow a better penetration. And I think a sling is physically pretty comparable to a hockey shot. Which we know can really be fatal without protection.

[@dashrendar5320]

Sling certainly will give you better energy and momentum. The big difference comes from the shot. That’s being slung, lead shot is going to be a significant impact which is probably going to be far superior to a hockey puck so it’ll even damage through armor.

[@michaelpeters6659]

The third guy is LAME 😒 nerds ftw!! 🙌🏼 great video as always

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha agreed! Nerd power 💪🏹🪨 also, thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@ineedabetterusername7424]

I've been slinging and doing traditional archery since I was seven. Moved up to 70-80# bows and big river-rocks as an adult, and as an addict of both -- The bow definitely has the accuracy advantage. Consistently. Unless you're Luis Pons-Livermore, the bow will always be more accurate at range. But both are extremely fun and deadly.

[@dashrendar5320]

For sure. Mastering long range with the sling would take a very special individual. Also 100% second both are amazing and fun

[@ineedabetterusername7424]

@@dashrendar5320 A "very special individual" is Luis Pons Livermore, Balearic Islands (Mallorca) world-class champion slinger. Dude is literally the best professional in the world, and even he takes multiple tries to hit a watermelon at 20 yards. Been training since he was a kid, in his nation's traditional sport, and watching him struggle to hit a head-sized target consistently is both humbling and encouraging. And he has a bunch of youtube videos on his channel. Dude is a legend.

[@TamasMateffy]

I do archery and slinging. If I’d had to pick betwen getting hit with that arrow or that stone wearing a hamata segmentata, I’d definitely pick the arrow. The arrow would poke a little 2cm deep hole in me, vs the stone would break 2-3 ribs, cause internal bleeding, ruptured kidney.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, you are not wrong 😂

[@_Mugen_]

You make us look good dash 😂❤

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend 😁

[@MrRourk]

OD&D and Chainmail Halfling Slingers are very OP.

[@dashrendar5320]

The perfect blend small target and big damage

[@TheShurikenZone]

Your videos are always gold, Dash. Humor, history, friendly destruction... what's not to like! 👍👍 Now, some food for thought: The sling works via keeping the strings under tension, before releasing that kinetic energy into the projectile. What are your thoughts on the idea that the bow essentially came about as an attempt to keep the sling strings under tension via a bent stick, rather than centrifugal force? Seems like a logical origin story. 😮

[@coopersand911]

The role play on point! We need you to play some D&D lol

[@dashrendar5320]

Ha thanks man, had tons of fun with it!

[@PeterSolerom]

Dash vs Dash!

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha to quote kung panda “our battle will be LEGENDARY!”

[@michaelnewswanger2409]

The Inca used slings with specially shaped conical rocks. You should test them out. It's a more fair comparison to the longbow. Since the development of the sling stopped in Europe but the bow continued.

[@DaysofElijah317]

The entire tribe of Benjamin were dedicated to the art of war and had skilled slingers (they fought for David), Alexander the Great utilized slingers especially when besieging Tyre; and the Romans Carthaginians made good use of slingers.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah that’s a very cool snippet in the old estimate but there is not much else known about them. But all through history they were very valued elite warriors

[@arohk1579]

If you look at the modern sling the slingshot I would say from a practical view it's better than a bow. It can be transported easier and used with minimal training, for myself I carried one as a soldier as well as when I am in the woods for survival, sure a bow has the power and is pretty accurate, but not as convenient to just pack around, I even have a slingshot in my bugout bag.

[@jessebell1930]

Both have their own application. The bow is more like the modern equivalent of a marksmanship rifle like the SR-98. The sling is more like the modern equivalent of an assault rifle- put maximum firepower down at close to medium range.

[@dashrendar5320]

Indeed, as all things, some have better applications for certain scenarios.

[@RedactedBrainwaves]

An interesting question is how effective each of them are against a formation. Arrows probably have an easier time sneaking through the gaps of a shield formation and hitting people. As for the impact damage, a well placed rock can break ribs, maybe even perfurate lungs. Really nasty weapon. The arrow has more penetration but I can see how someone can remain standing for a while. But a rock will put you on the ground real quick.

[@dashrendar5320]

Most assuredly, also the formation of the people using them can vary dramatically as slingers have to be spaced out further. And arrows tends to do much better against armored Calvary because it can disrupt the horses.

[@Jon-ti1rb]

The sling has a longer power stroke and incorporates more muscles of the body. Some of the energy of the bow/arrow system is lost in transition. The sling produces more direct energy. Just some observations.

[@geogemini8528]

Great video! In your research, have you found an example of a Hebrew sling? I haven't yet. Am i right in thinking they used one very similar to the Egyptians? A weaved diamond shaped pouch on some cord. I would love to see a video of the fastest sling from around the world.

[@dashrendar5320]

I would imagine it would be made of woven wool as that was a very plentiful source and wool slings are also very very fast

[@geogemini8528]

@dashrendar5320 You're probably right, but I think they also recovered one from an Egyptian tomb made of Flax or Jute, i can't remember which. I do want to try a wool one. Surprisingly, I actually like the hemp one I made over the 550 ones. It is showing its age, though.

[@geogemini8528]

@dashrendar5320 oh, and if you are looking for lead shot. Amazon has "bullet weight egg sinkers" that work great! I got 26 of the 3oz egg-shaped lead weights for about $22. So you're not going to break the bank if you can't find them.

[@rocklee775]

While I'm very much Team Bow, the sling is definitely a formidable weapon in it's own right. Both weapons were invented in the stone age, seeing use through the bronze age into the Iron age. That's a huge legacy for a weapon to be used for so long and it shows even today.

[@dashrendar5320]

It is indeed. Bow sling and spear are the holy trifecta that helped shape early human society and warfare.

[@JayJay-sb3ib]

TERBAiK 💪💪💪💪🙏

[@dashrendar5320]

💪

[@jwilliams3170]

My desire to own and practice with a sling grows with each of your videos that I watch

[@dashrendar5320]

They are quite great

[@archangel1547]

Can you do a step-by-step video on how to make a finger woven sling like yours?

[@dashrendar5320]

I am not very good at it haha, check out my Friend, hilltop hurler he makes them very well

[@SpaceRa]

16:16 I'm pretty sure I know what I'd rather be hit by: neither

[@dashrendar5320]

100% agreed

[@Lucaslfm1]

He forgot a very important point: the slinger can use a shield for protection! Also the sling shot done in the rate of fire test was way faster than the shot for power and accuracy.

[@WhatIfBrigade]

A sling is lighter, cheaper, has better logistics, can easily be carried as a secondary weapon with a spear and shield. We also have to consider training costs. England famously required people to practice archery on Sundays and required arrows to be manufactured and provided according to royal specifications. All of that has costs. Especially for poorer tribes, requiring people to train with a sling costs almost nothing. If you have the resources of England, an army with longbows is likely better. But that wasn't the norm in the era of the sling.

[@willywantoknow2563]

Regardless, it is easy to carry a sling as a backup in case the bow breaks or out of ammo. I personally like the bow for stealth and agility. But sling is just fun.

[@dashrendar5320]

Fully agree, great uses as a potential “sidearm” so to speak

[@dequitem]

Nerdiest channel on KZbin 🤨 Okay mayby I am to serious in some of my videos, so yes you own it. I love your content and its serious too!

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha thank you kindly. Always glad to hear that you appreciate it, your videos are some of my favorites and I always get excited when I see a new one pop up in my feed

[@dequitem]

@@dashrendar5320 editing a new knight fight at the moment :)

[@dashrendar5320]

Awesome man, can’t wait for some chaos and melee

[@trunks6443]

Amazing video! Just subscribed. Would you mind telling me where I can purchase the bow you used in this video?

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend! This one was from “archery bowman” if you want another good site I get a lot of my bows from it’s from “fairbow”

[@trunks6443]

Thank you!

[@GUNNER67akaKelt]

Easier to carry around a sling all day, definitely. Problem is, it took hours of practice for me to hit the broad side of a barn consistently with the sling. Anything smaller than that is only in danger from me by accident. Slings do have their advantages, though.

[@rikulaatikainen1929]

I was wondering It might be possible to break a shield hand if you're using big and heavy rocks. Heavy rocks slung from a staff sling can definitely do that. Is there a way you could simulate and do a test video with a fake hand behind the shield? I think that a sling bullet that could penetrate that shield will lose too much energy to be lethal after going through. I think heavy sling bullets relying on momentum will be more effective. Possibly damaging the shield hand.

[@dashrendar5320]

Man that’s a great idea but I would really need to try and figure out a great way to replicate the damage or potential damage to the hand

[@Yphraxori]

Gotta make some lead/ clay slig bullets

[@dashrendar5320]

I know I know, working on the best way to do that

[@zedre7633]

Is shaped lead shot something hard to acquire? I'm sure it's harder than river rocks but that would be great to see some day.

[@dashrendar5320]

Not overly hard no, but I don’t know a lot of people who make it. Best I have found so far is like the lead fishing weights. Which could be a good substitute

[@cameronnye3359]

Griffith

[@RachDarastrix2]

Hey! ... HEY!! Hear me out! Unpredictability. As you practice with the sling with 1 releasing method your subconscious is also practicing to use its reflex to mess you up during it so the answer is to be unpredictable in how you release so the subconscious can't mess it up. With this same practice you see... An enemy can raise his shield, duck, and dodge.. But not quickly enough if he was wrong about how you end up releasing. With a bow however he sees how the arrow is pointed at him.

[@ClaytonLovendale]

A sling, break bones. Fighter is still out of action, may not kill, but when you have a tent with wounded fighters with broken bones and not able to fight a logistics problem is created. Feeding hungry warriors that aren't able to fight. Not to mention those with concussions and broken skulls. So the war bow may kill outright but the sling cripples out of the army. Which is worse?

[@dashrendar5320]

Excellent point my friend, that is a very good point I did not touch one. The logistics of dealing with an injured incapacitated army

[@danb1285]

In all fairness, we need to know the grains of these river rocks you're hurling around. I'm tuning my sling build and need to know if I need to go with a carbine buffer pouch or a rifle buffer pouch. My hunch is a H3 buffer pouch is an ideal compromise. In the Forum, I hear there's an advantage for the plebian hemp cordage over the more "L III III T" leather varieties. Thoughts?

[@dashrendar5320]

They were real big. Close to about 5000 grains, so massively oversized but lots of impact force

[@danb1285]

@@dashrendar5320 It's awesome to see the difference that all these weapons have based on where all that weight is compared to point of impact, and how the same physics apply to ammo. You're basically shooting small javelins from the warbows, and their ability to go through armor by having such a small impact point, as compared to the sling, is super cool. Sounds about right on weight of those stones. Any videos currently or in future showing ceramic or metal shot? Something more dense. Could probably have a post-apocalypse video where you're slinging nuts/bolts, etc. because those would still work.

[@Twiceborn_by_grace]

If I were to be killed by either, I’d choose the bow and arrow. Blunt force just seems brutal and would take longer to die from.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah I think so too haha. Especially with bone splintering and no way to fix it…would be brutal 😬

[@bh-2198]

Its a tunic. :) It would be interesting if you had bows from the period when slings ruled.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahaha, yeah it would be cool to see a 1 to 1 with actual bows of the time

[@zoekiers1132]

I have two questions. 1. What wood is this self bow made of? 2. Can you do a video about longbow shooting posture, and what possible effects it has to your back if you use one shooting style or the other?

[@dashrendar5320]

It’s white sapwood hickory my friend. Also I have done a few videos about the back changing and adapting but those were a few months Ago I think

[@sheetpeyseksdi34]

This is like watching an english longbowman and a balearic slinger debating

[@jadenkim-xs2ro]

I really wish you used the shorter recurve

[@dashrendar5320]

I know I know..I just love longbow haha even they they perform worse by every metric

[@splugthegoblin8511]

David at the time was a child and i can argue that he also had super human strength.

[@guyblew1733]

Israel still trains and uses the sling. Both are good weapons👍👍

[@dashrendar5320]

Indeed they are 💪🏹🪨

[@Sandwich13455]

The bodkin of Death,need to be strong to deal with the extra weight.

[@dashrendar5320]

For sure, gotta be a super heavy draw weight to push it with any speed

[@Sandwich13455]

​@@dashrendar5320what was more accurate in your opinion?

[@circleofowls]

Q - What's the difference between a skirt and a kilt/tunic? A - You wear something under a skirt.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahahaaha

[@RachDarastrix2]

I think realistically an archer is going to be a much better marksman than a slinger. Now here is my reason, practice. During practice the slinger looses a rock and the rock bounces and fucks off to God knows where. Now instead of spending time practicing the slinger is looking for this one rock. Often, the archer searches every last square inch of that field only to somehow STILL not find this stone. That is now permanently one less stone. This time looking for a stone and the time not finding it adds up after a while. Soon the slinger only has a few stones left, and instead of practicing has to go look for more, or only use this few until they are all lost. That's more time spent not practicing. Meanwhile after the archer has loosed an arrow it sticks into the ground and has a bit of fletching at the end allowing the archer to see exactly where it is, go retrieve it, and then get right back to practicing.

[@thejackinati2759]

Slings are superior in the end... When you really stop to think about it, Guns are just gas-propelled slings! :P

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahaha that is a great take

[@Gabriel_75X]

Bro the sling i think goes in the BC ages ....

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha 7500 BCE to be exact haha

[@Sandwich13455]

I'm sure the Romans used iberian peltists, technology from that time I'd agree 👍

[@Gabriel_75X]

@@Sandwich13455 probably in babylon times

[@richardcope9803]

Just curious, were the video games the catalyst for this or did your love of these types of weapons get you into the gaming?

[@dashrendar5320]

actually it started in junior high when I read lord of the rings. That began the obsession with archery, then I dove into the actual history and wanted to learn as many skills as possible. The Games are just an extension of it I think

[@Fingolfin013]

hey! how about staff sling?Is it better thn regular sling or not?

[@dashrendar5320]

They can generate more power due to the additional rotational energy for sure, But I feel they are harder to utilize

[@philozoraptor6808]

Hello, is there any point in rotating the sling multiple times before release instead of just once? It is often portrayed like this in videogames, does it add more kinetic energy or is just for "show"?

[@dashrendar5320]

For me honestly, it can be done by a very good slinger with just one rotation but when I do it, it’s more just to help me sort out when I think my release should be, so when it “feels right”

[@Likexner]

When did having an interest in weapons and warfare become "nerdy"?

[@dashrendar5320]

Well…according to many of the comments it appears to be a “nerdy” pursuit…and according to my lovely wife 😂

[@k0mp0cik]

As a memeber of 99% I certainly don't look like that...

[@dashrendar5320]

😂

[@keithperry1641]

Do you have a link for the sling you use?

[@dashrendar5320]

Not an affiliate link no but I get them from my friend “ hilltophurler” he has a shop on Etsy

[@keithperry1641]

@@dashrendar5320 thank you!

[@fjalling]

Huh. Rocks glancing getting potential extra damage.....

[@erikhoff5010]

It's not a blouse, it's a Jerkin. Skal

[@dashrendar5320]

😂

[@mplasma1430]

What workouts do you do to increase draw strength? I’m pretty new to archery and struggle to pull back a 60lb recurve. I’m looking into can’t fire release to do reps with. Any tips?

[@dashrendar5320]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJa5q5h8gdqseNEsi=8nyT-Rxw1M9TNHo6 I go over everything in this video, I hope it helps my friend

[@mplasma1430]

@@dashrendar5320 Thank you. I’m fairly new to your channel but it’s great. I appreciate it.

[@dashrendar5320]

So glad you enjoy it my friend, thank you kindly for saying so

[@podsmpsg1]

I'd go with the Bow.

[@dashrendar5320]

At the end of the day, it breaks down as a superior weapon, but I would argue. Sling is a very close second.

[@podsmpsg1]

@@dashrendar5320 Definitely. Sling is effective, no doubt about that, but the Bow is more effective.

[@tomholroyd7519]

Can you sling a spiky rock? Drive some nails in?

[@dashrendar5320]

It’s possible…it may get caught in the strand on release though

[@semperfidelis271]

i can say with a certainty that i do not want to be hit by either

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha 100% agreed

[@ennoh9463]

Try using lead shots next time. It makes huge difference.

[@dashrendar5320]

Working on getting some

[@RedMeatWhiskeyNeat]

Algorithm 🍩

[@jasontsang2232]

I hate to admit this but the sling actually does generate more power than a warbow

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha yeah that extra mass brings some hurt

[@jasontsang2232]

Could you make a modern sling using modern materials like dyneema. It may throw faster if you lessen the weight of the sling.

[@dashrendar5320]

I can, but I am a sucker for the look haha. I have a really nice wool one that I’ve been training with, much faster than the bulkier slings

[@jasontsang2232]

​@@dashrendar5320can you throw double pointed projectiles with a sling. I heard it would throw like a football 🏈

[@israelolvera558]

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