The Era of Serato is over... Rekordbox is officially the new King

[@iamthestorm1503]

I’m feeling very fortunate and excited to be a Rekordbox user right now. But I agree with all your points about what this means for the future of the industry

[@itsrichysmart]

Bruh! When I saw the news, I literally thought about your video of inMusic making their own software. You called it!

[@Zsklar]

Inmusic is going to now partner up with VDJ and Native Instruments. Denon gonna be king! I promise you! People were already running from Serato to Engine and VDJ.

[@compositecomposure]

Very much doubt this. They’d sooner make their own out of existing Engine DJ desktop app.

[@djsubculture2111]

"Denon gonna be king!" I've been hearing that for over ten years. Not going to happen.

[@househeadspeakz]

The day InMusic DJ system take the "industry standard" spot from Pioneer then you can king 👑 them. Too early for that.

[@psykophilz]

I was the one who messaged you about your thoughts on the new Traktor Pro 4. Again would love to hear you talk about it. Keep doing what you do!

[@lawrencebyrdsong7570]

Personally I think it's this would be a good time for Rane and Reloop etc to develope their own software for their controllers that would be a win for them

[@Mojaxx]

Big up Keo! Always enjoy your perspectives.

[@DJKeo]

Thank you!!! I truly appreciate it!

[@sana-cm7oc]

I like the twirling mustache reference. AlphaTheta bought Serato for their stems technology.

[@alanmodimages]

They honestly might have just wanted STEMS from Serato and to capture their cash flow. It's totally possible that they let Serato continue to be Serato. Pioneer mostly seems to be trending towards standalone CDJ / USB workflow to use for the EDM and Festival crowd. A lot of Techno is done with Traktor and MIDI controllers, using Xone 96's anyway. And that market isn't complaining about flexible beat grids... In other news, you can spin House with anything. Enhance Rekordbox for what they consider niche "Open Format" and Turntablism? Not sure that makes business sense. Weddings? buy an all in one. The market is segmented and although this might seem like a power move on the surface, it just might be a pragmatic cash flow move, so Pioneer can continue to fund development and cement their position as the "One stop shop" Time will tell 🙂

[@tylerarruda8625]

Do you think Serato stems will come to Rekordbox any time soon? Their stems implementation is pretty rough.

[@Zsklar]

Denon has Pioneer running scared!

[@househeadspeakz]

@DJKeo made some awesome points. If you are a Serato user, you might want to listen. I know been in the business world that there is no way Serato is under AphaThea (Pioneer's parent company) will continue to support third-party DJ hardware companies. Pioneer DJ will integrate Serato into the Rekordbox DJ system and it's a wrap. I am already seeing videos of DJs under Serato's bellyaching and butt hurt because the big bad Pioneer now owns their beloved software. Do you know who is not worried about this move? Pioneer DJ/Rekordbox users like myself and Denon/Numark (companies owned by InMuisc). I know for certain InMusic saw the writing on the way and is in the works to make Engine DJ a fully functional DJ software. Will they plan to offer license to other DJ hardware companies to replace Serato? That's a possibility or they can just keep it in House. We will have to see how this pans out but again as a Pioneer/RB user, it's a win!!

[@DeZOnRadio]

Pioneer DJ and Serato are sister companies. Alpha Theta is the parent company. Like InMusic has a catalog of companies. They will still be standalone companies.

[@dj.scio.france]

yeah like Denon and Numark ? nahhh I hope that Alpha Theta will understand the importance of keeping Serato, but i'm sure that they ll be a Pioneer DJ combining Serato and Rekordbox who will be pioneer hardware only.

[@djbobrokk723]

it's different beast.. inMusic deliver different hw, AlphaTetaPioneer should mantain 2 different sw that play same thing, and they have to keep them complaint with OS newer versions.. I don't think so, and I think 2 years are too much time.. rekordbox will eat Serato sooner..

[@tcantrell68]

You did say this sometime ago, I am happy for this, much love, TC

[@ygrpz]

AlphaTheta Corporation is the parent company of pioneer DJ and Record Box. So I'm not sure how much things might change. Sounds like they have been there a while. Maybe I'm wrong. 🤔

[@DJKeo]

Pioneer has invested way to much money and capital into Rekordbox DJ to keep the competitors software around it makes no sense they literally do the same thing.

[@Rugerman205]

DJay Pro AI is a great alternative. I’m a Serato user and have it as a backup. I downloaded Rekordbox when it came to iOS earlier this year. Like it but don’t own any devices. I’m prolly going to get a DDJ-400 since I already have a RANE ONE & Pioneer DJ DDJ-REV1 which I love them both for specific use cases. One is my flagship the other my workhorse LOL 😂. Excellent video.

[@Samuel_Jamieson]

Can you use the rev one on decks 3-4 on DJ Pro at the same time as the rane one?

[@standrewsgolfcluboperation6378]

Virtual Dj is far superior and more reliable than DJ Pro from my experience.

[@thekentfunksoulfamily9302]

Or....The Era of Recordbox is over... Serato is officially the new King. You don't need to spend £100m+ to kill something, you could just stop integrating it in your products. Expects to see a lot more exciting Pioneer products targeted at music production

[@jaydenrichards2]

i'm looking forward to having Serato Stems on Rekordbox, perhaps they might intergrate Stems onto CDJs 👀

[@ZONINGOUTONMUSIC]

There is a looong way to go before the actual Dj World makes a complete transition over to any other software than Serato Dj Pro. It's the only software found in almost every Big Dj line up across the world. Many djs use Engine, Tracktor, VDJ, ADjay, or whatever for their personal sets, but use Serato Dj for continuity in big lineups. This is mostly for small & solo acts, and it doesn't matter what you rock on. If I'm the only one in the line up I can use Sl1200s with actual vinyl. A bit harder to do in a Big Line up where working together is critically important.

[@snoiabug]

And then here comes Denon on the way to shake it up!

[@dJBoog]

I’m afraid Engine OS may be too behind in feature set to really pose a threat to Rekordbox any time soon even if they made a performable desktop version. InMusic might be better off trying to acquire VDJ, but that will introduce other problems in the industry.

[@risquedj]

"Engine OS may be too behind in feature set to really pose a threat to Rekordbox" Is that sarcasm? I own 3000s, and a single SC6000M, and I can unbiasedly state that Engine OS is blowing the 3000's operating system away!

[@dJBoog]

@@risquedj I own a Prime 2 and a prime go and there a bunch of things Engine OS should add. Many things are simple workflow management features such as auto gain, and searching within a specific playlist. I use VDJ with both of my systems and only use the standalone as backup if something happens to my computer. It’s getting better but it’s just not there yet.

[@dJBoog]

@@risquedj If you compare it to other standalone OS it’s ahead of its class, but in comparison to desktop class software it’s a couple years behind.

[@stevemcc1842]

A few years ago Serato wanted Pioneer to buy them and Pioneer said no. I will wait to see what happens. Good video.

[@mixxinmel]

I think that pioneer will not want to be the bad guy in the dj community. I think they wont scrap out serato but intergrate it into revordbox where you now can use it on various controllers theirs and others. But who knows.

[@29dj17]

That’s also a brilliant point. To make rekordbox more widespread, even though they said serato will still be ran separately, but it’s pioneer… those mfs can change their mind at anytime. Although in terms of being the bad guy, at this point you know pioneer don’t gaf. Pioneer don’t compromise for anyone, they do what they do, if you like it cool, if you don’t cool. That’s always been their approach.

[@DJKeo]

Like I said in the video when you are part of the machine do you machine things by accident and don't even realize it. They are already the bad guy in the DJ community. For me logically it makes zero sense to keep both software they both do the same thing and they are both on the same hardware , you are now paying two different software teams for no reason.

[@29dj17]

I totally agree. Pioneer will integrate everything into rekordbox. That’s the whole friggin point of buying Serato, they were their biggest competition. At least they’ll put serato on a phone. I’ve always wanted that so I can organize music on the go. But yeah we need competition in the industry amongst software but yeah. Let’s hope for the best. You’re not hating. Pioneer MIGHT not open it’s software to everyone, but it will go against them and they might have to open it back to everyone with whatever gear.

[@123adgie]

So what if i have a pioneer Ddj1000srt and they drop serato ?what would happen with my hardware

[@DJKeo]

nothing your old gear should still work with your old software, you just won't be getting any new updates

[@alexzanderking1556]

I can't see In music being too bothered at present, they have the resources to compete it is more about what Pioneer does next.

[@necessitysound6476]

TRAKTOR PLEASE MAKE A MOVE...NOWS THE TIME (well 7 years ago was the time but still)

[@smoke1va]

Traktor is going to stay we’re djs left it a decade ago in pawn shops and trash bins 😂

[@necessitysound6476]

@@smoke1va such a passionate response. use what you like man but I started on serato and then switched to traktor and I can easily say its consistently been a better software. Honestly it was like going from a toy to professional software. But at the end of the day it's what ever floats your boat and gets the job done.

[@smoke1va]

@@necessitysound6476 If you like it more power to you but I don’t see Traktor taking over any platform any time soon. That ship sailed already.

[@djsubculture2111]

Okay, I defected from Traktor Pro and now I'm all in with Rekordbox.

[@smoke1va]

Serato dj is not going anywhere guys. Y’all are freaking out over nothing. To get millions of people to switch would kill their sales. Pioneer is not going to do that.

[@mike._.feliciano6782]

Thanks for the video @DJ Keo, great insight. The support may be gone in 2 years but the software should work since it's downloaded to your laptop...like Serato Live, support was gone but it worked until the transition to DJ. I would keep the last version of Serato DJ, don't let your computer update and continue to use Serato DJ until InMusic gets that Engine working, flawlessly with InMusic equipment and other manufacturer's except Pio. VDJ may be next to be scoped up...in the meantime, will Serato loyalist make the jump to RekordBox, maybe, it would seem the logical move...time will tell. I do believe, like you, there needs to be some healthy competition in this space. Is Pioneer becoming SkyNet, terminating all the competition or the Borg....either way, it's bad.

[@mattsterp748]

In my opinion Pioneer did not buy Serato to break the company up. Serato will still be used exactly as it is today. Serato is no longer the competition.

[@DJKeo]

It’s kind of redundant for pioneer to have both software companies running at the same time with 2 sets of engineers and developers working on two different platforms. I think they bought them for the components and could care less about what happens to the platform in the long run.

[@mattsterp748]

@@DJKeo serato is already a functional company. Pioneer isn’t going to have two teams they simply added another fully functional company. Don’t forget serato is the leading music research firm in the world. It’s not redundant at all. To kill serato is to leave all the money serato makes now on the table.

[@DJKeo]

@@mattsterp748 pioneer is a giant company they don't care about the money they want the market share dominance. that seems like the goal, keeping serato around seems pointless if you can move them into rekordbox which is the big if.

[@mattsterp748]

@@DJKeo only time will tell. It’s not even pioneer buying them it’s pioneer parent company. They own lots of music based companies. Serato is just the latest addition. It’s your personal perception that they are in competition but they are not. Now they own both the high and low end of the market. You can’t compete with yourself.

[@RussFryman]

It's pretty clear that the ONLY reason inmusic hadn't released engine prime as a stand alone version was to avoid pissing off Serato. They don't have to worry about that anymore. Lol Your final question - about locking down the market - that's pretty much was traktor tried and failed. And destroyed their #1 position in software. But their hardware stake was less than ideal. Pioneer is now holding #1 hardware and software. They won't have the same issues. So I have to moved from traktor to vdj after a nearly disastrous gig in Florida this year. I appreciate vdj, but am not really a fan. I would purchase a copy of engine to run on my system. Immediately. Without reservation. I know everyone "knows" this is bad news. But as you pointed out years ago, the writing was on the wall when rekordbox 1.0 was released. It was also clear what inmusic was doing when they released the sc5000 x1800. These are the very definition of "exciting times" applied to the world of DJ and musical entertainment. Cool stuff comes from such times. I'm anxious to see what's next.

[@RussFryman]

Upon further reflection, I now believe that the main reason for this purchase was AI.

[@Earthcitizen4609]

The more power pioneer gets the more chance they will make djing more expensive they may raise their monthly charge in reckordbox

[@jaysnipes1]

My concern is there going to make serato subscription based. I'm sure that's what there doing with rekordbox

[@djranx5519]

THE WAR IS OVER! Goliath Pioneer Rekordbox swallowing up little Serato (David). I'm sure most of you DJ journalists predicted this move. We tiny consumers in comparison can only sit back and watch some of these giant companies gobbling up the smaller ones. Beats bitten and swallowed up by giants Apple and so on.. But on further analysis on the positive side the 'deal' Serato was offered must have been impossible to refuse! Also the price of many types of hardware such as combined Rekordbox/Serato controllers, example (XDJ XZ) will double their value, OR DROP! It's going to get DJ CRRRRRAZY! out there.

[@tonykellydjt2805]

Pioneer didn't buy Serato...The parent company bought Serato. I don't think it will change anything anytime soon. I don't think Denon is concerned with making laptop based software.

[@bobbygreenjr4114]

No shade to pioneer but they got their platform from Virtual Dj. Damn near every feature that Serato and Pioneer has came from Virtual Dj. As far as I see is that no one is making their software available for every controller or mixer new or old like VDJ. So until that happens no one is competing with Vdj.

[@fouskalini]

That was funny AF!🤣😂 You are 100% right Serato is going down!

[@jeromechandramudha4690]

Death to Traktor 😭.. not because of pioneer move but because the peeps in NI do nothing this couple years forgetting the loyal traktor user .. by the end if the day pioneer is still the king in all DJ booth ( big raves , clubs , small bar , wedding , mobile dj , etc ) except for the turntablist and analog rotary niche thing .

[@djsubculture2111]

"Death to Traktor..." When Traktor Pro stops working, THEN I'll switch.

[@TyraFromSaigon]

Amen to this. I was Serato loyal til the Z2 came out. Just recently switched back to Serato and Pioneer after waiting and waiting..

[@DJ_V_squared]

You know sh!t hit the fan when DJ Keo made a video

[@manuelcardenas3441]

I think pioneer don’t like competition in my opinion they so selfish. But I think that other company like Denon,numark,rane and reloop will find the way to create their own software and I will go even more far they should join and fight back. Union make the power 💪💪💪

[@chaseflores2145]

It’s not that big of a deal 😂 Serato isn’t going anywhere, ever. Hopefully Serato gets an upgrade to its library from Rekordbox.

[@gdoug]

I agree 💯

[@smoke1va]

😂 Facts these dudes geeking over nothing

[@derzw3rg]

As a native instruments traktor user this is still bad news. Let's see what Inmusic will do now.

[@DJKeo]

It’s a bad day for everybody except rekordbox users this is the greatest news possible

[@P4boot]

@@DJKeo how is it bad for VDJ users? Asking for a friend! 😂

[@MNToThat]

Traktor need to play nice with Phase asap. Its still the superior product for scratching in terms of sound quality but it's lack of compatibility with other firms has hurt it over the years. They also own Izotope so they can compete in the stems realm. I could care less about controllers. Traktor will still work with any mixer it will just require an external interface like it always has.

[@derzw3rg]

@@P4boot less competition leads to less innovation and worse prices.

[@bloodcell6282]

On April 1st 2024 they are dropping "Rekorato V1" Please make my ddj-sx4! Or a 2 channel gem

[@69rjsg]

you forgot virtual dj and DJay Pro AI, and a few more software out there, Virtual DJ will take over the industry if Pioneer dismantles Serato, you have to remember that pioneers think that because they have the standard in clubs and keep using old tech they can control the industry, but the price of everything will drive the industry not the software or hardware, is not like they make the only good system, also you have to remember that everyone is becoming a social media DJ and does people won't want to spend a ton of money on system and software.

[@djbloc]

I honestly think they will use serato and eliminate Rekordbox

[@DJKeo]

That’s a interesting take, serato is still superior for DVS but rekordbox runs circles when it comes to organization and library

[@cosmicbaggy9637]

serato stems also. i think they'll integrate software features in the mid term but lock down future hardware to pioneer then make it subscription based.

[@tMena45888]

I don't make a living off this industry so I don't find it so detrimental I love rekordbox serato is decent as well but I won't miss it if it's gone one day. We all know nothing last forever Rekordbox will come to an end as well some day.

[@OpenCirclesArts]

You're missing the Rane - Serato link that will now break. The Rane One made me switch to serato and I would have thought Rane would have fully partnered up with Serato. That ship has now sunk and imploded! We shall see how this falls down.

[@djcvmusic1]

Meanwhile Denon DJ dial Traktor phone number 😅

[@blendmastertv9274]

I knew it! lol

[@kudamah]

Why do u say that VirtualDJ users should be concerned if they merge everything from Serato to rekordbox? VDJ isn't married to any hardware, so Pioneer can keep putting stuff out and 1 wk or 2 later the VDJ mappings work with it.

[@DJKeo]

They could sue to keep virtual DJ off their hardware and make it so you can only use rekordbox. Literally anything is possible at this point.

[@standrewsgolfcluboperation6378]

@@DJKeo so why haven't anyone done that over all the years in the past? I'm sure if they could've sued them, they would have done so already.

[@roymoxley2587]

Virtual Dj are you listening the ball may be in your court your company might gain a lot of new customers if pioneer does the same shit they have done with rek a box Subscription base .

[@djcoalcut9399]

At first, I really didn't care. Then I was like, "Oh sh1t" I use Serato 😂. Well, hopefully, RANE will come out with a stand-alone RANE One or Denon come out with a Prime 4 with (larger) rotating platters. I'll pick up one of those, and then it won't matter.

[@djpapajohn]

How is it not good with pioneer purchasing Serato. If you ask me this will be the end of Rekordbox NOT Serato....

[@djsupaleo4048]

But I don’t think they can eliminate SERATO cause it’s 90%of DJ’s use serato WORLDWIDE, so it’s hard to eliminate the popular DJ hardware

[@alanmodimages]

But like DJ Keo says, "Machines do Machine things" 😄

[@DJKeo]

It’s not that high rekordbox and serato are virtually tied in usage today it’s about 32%

[@chitowndj72]

I was waiting for Keo to respond!!

[@Jbaxter736]

Why doesn’t Engine Prime just Buy one of these brands? PCDJ virtual DJ

[@DJKeo]

they have the software already they just need to make a laptop version of engine prime which I have been yelling for them to do for the last 4 years

[@IamCoast2Coast]

It’s done now, Rekordbox performance mode is trash. I hope they don’t crash Serato

[@sudeepk.6960]

Keo I hope your wrong spent way too much on iNMusic based serato gear

[@flipsyder]

2 years really? amd serato is completely gone?

[@DJKeo]

its not going to disappear or stop working they will just phase it out and you won't be getting any new updates

[@Ray-yt7mk]

I think like a car they are going to demolish serato take the good parts and make recordbox better and stronger.

[@ortodoxcatolic]

I hope no one buys a traktor and they stay as authentic as they are. if so, then this is similar to the Apple way of “your software, your own hardware!”. as time shows, this business model is the best! and serato fools that they did not produce their hardware. what did they think?

[@MrLeonsidbury]

BRO come on man think about what you're saying, just think about what you're saying. What is the purpose of business, think man. If you own both companies where is the competition there is NONE. this is the reality of Coach HERM EDWARD'S statement "THIS IS THE GREAT THING ABOUT SPORTS. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. HELLO. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME, YOU DON'T PLAY TO JUST PLAY. And my friend that is what Pioneer aka Pioneer DJ did. It doesn't matter which one you choose Pioneer WINS. That's why, once I realized who created CDJs, I chose Rekordbox over any other software. Most clubs have Pioneer equipment and all the features on their equipment works with Rekordbox. So as long as some of public still chooses Serato they will keep Serato. And as long as you have fake DJs not taking the time to learn manually there will still be a need for the software. not that I don't use the software but I'm 67 years old and I was in the clubs from 76 and start DJing in 74. So I started with vinyl and used three Technic 1600 turntables and back then there was no software

[@youdj_app]

Next is the YouDJ software ;)

[@harlemfire]

I don't think serato is going to be eliminated. The real problem is hardware compatibility. Serato may become subscription based IF you're not using pioneer hardware with serato

[@alanmodimages]

I agree. It's just going to be very confusing. What will be presented to the public could be a contorted mess of "If you own this, then get this subscription, but only if you bought controller X on the third Tuesday of May". Marketing by committee...

[@thatchinaboi1]

Serato is buggy as hell. And the unnecessary limitations is frustrating. Not to mention their subscription model for the "extras". But it's the best software out there at the moment.

[@8tungBaby]

you don´t need a subscribtion for Serato extras you can buy them.

[@crossfadr]

I knew it was the end of Serato based on the Tidal integration. ReKordbox offered so much more from Tidal than Serato. Programmers! But I think its deeper that just ReKordbox acquiring Serato. Stay tuned...😃

[@nomad1517]

Traktor: und shit.

[@roymoxley2587]

Ok pioneer will make Serato a cash cow by making all djs to have a subscription base software only Then that’s it there done .

[@Earthcitizen4609]

I hope not but serato can be next tracktor Serato its stucked on being loyal to vinyl purist , music management sucks ,serato they nned to keep up with technology,

[@BigBuddyNoc]

Serato is still the king. Nobody likes Engine Prime and Rekordbox is buggy and whack. Traktor… 😂 Now, The fact that the same company who owns Pioneer also owns Serato just means that there is a possibility of Serato becoming much much more stronger. As of now, they are saying that Serato will remain its own thing.

[@DJKeo]

I get what you are saying but I doubt that pioneer bought serato to keep the status quo, they got the company for a reason and it’s not to share space. serato will eventually fold into rekordbox it is inevitable

[@BigBuddyNoc]

@@DJKeo per their statement, Serato is going to remain a separate brand/entity for now anyways. They are also still going to service their competitors, such as Rane and such. Pioneer knows that’s Rekordbox is not as strong as Serato, yes, one day it will most likely merge into one software but I’m telling you, Serato isn’t going anywhere, it’s just going to get stronger.

[@BigBuddyNoc]

@@DJKeo think Honda and Acura, Toyota and Lexus. All owned by the same company but services different folks.

[@DJKeo]

@@BigBuddyNoc I hear you but I don’t trust pioneer to “do the right thing”. I believe serato will be gutted or negligent and eventually fold

[@djrichnice4996]

Rekordbox > Serato 💯

[@DJKeo]

I don’t disagree on that at all

[@mixxinmel]

Recordbox + lol.

[@DJTyme209]

LMAO new king SMH yall djs just be stuck in your old ways and jump on any hype train and just hate on VDJ if yall would be honest with yourself VDJ has ALWAYS been better than CRAPRATO

[@djintence]

First

[@Jiintup]

Pioneer owns Rekordbox right? I’m confused 🫤

[@DJKeo]

yup which is why serato is finished they won't keep both software

[@Jiintup]

@@DJKeo I believe they might integrate rekordbox into serato as Seratobox because the industry was so Serato it would hurt both brands to eliminate SERATO!!!!

[@DjDubStak]

My Numark NS7iii slowly becoming obsolete

[@DJKeo]

It’s time to upgrade

[@_JONGFIRE]

Yup

[@djoldskool5763]

NS7 is a beast. I'd keep it.

[@mixxinmel]

Dont get rid of it. There are other dj software's out there that you can midi map to.

[@iconix21]

serato = SELLOUTS

[@DanielleKingdjdinosaur]

i am very fkn upset

[@OBDPVCR]

I'm not subscribing to Rekordbox.

[@DjSpicyO]

Only if djs focused on actual djing instead of bs fanboy crap…

[@P4boot]

Welcome back bro! Lol Birdman hands rubbing together…excited for the future!

[@manuelcardenas3441]

I think pioneer don’t like competition in my opinion they so selfish. But I think that other company like Denon,numark,rane and reloop will find the way to create their own software and I will go even more far they should join and fight back. Union make the power 💪💪💪