The Everlasting Present - Ukraine 30 years of InDependence

Ukraine is a country that was unknown to most citizens of the United States, but it was always known to the political establishment of the USA. But since February 22, 2014, Ukraine quickly came to the attention of Americans, as well as the entire world. Ukraine - 30 Years of Independence explores the competing narratives about country’s journey through the eyes of an American filmmaker as it is being told through the words of the men who governed the country.

[@ujean56]

An extremely important documentary. Should be shown on mainstream TV every night until the war is over.

[@margaretames6522]

I downloaded it in case it gets censored as the first Ukraine on Fire segment by Oliver Stone has been.

[@shevalibi7813]

Absolutely right, but you´re dreaming of a world, that will never exist.

[@alifarhat961]

you wish

[@angelg5240]

@@margaretames6522 Yes. Whenever something is this important, always grab it before it gets taken down. This video has such a low number of views that it is obviously being buried at the bottom of the list. This one and the other two films, I downloaded and then uploaded to FB. I dont have many followers though. But I hope people who care will share this everywhere,

[@kristJ25]

Excellent documentary one of the best I have seen on Ukraine. I wish Ukranians would watch it.

[@gerri577]

Roses have thorns is pretty good too

[@calicocat8213]

@@gerri577 That's about the 2 May 2014 Odessa massacre. Though by no means all, Ukrainians were clapping and cheering while people were being burnt alive in the Trade Unions'building, or shot dead while escaping the fire by jumping from the building's windows.

[@kwazooplayingguardsman5615]

​@@calicocat8213 Then you realized why the people of the donbass wanted out when their president tacitly supported the burning alive of 46 protesters.

[@climatixseuche]

now more important than ever

[@pathurisrivardhan918]

One point . Ukraine never had access codes for that nuclear weapons . They were always with Russia . Watch Scott Ritter interview as a reference . He was inspector to moscow for dismantling the nuclear warheads

[@randlemcmurphy8007]

The Russian Federation, recognizing itself as the legal successor of the USSR and taking on all its obligations, for some reason gave Ukraine nuclear weapons (and in reality, none of the Ukrainians there could even come close to the objects) in order to immediately take it away, but under the guarantees of perpetuating the Russian -Ukrainian split from England and the USA. Who won the nuclear war or something?

[@denxero]

The Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, as was Russia. It was the Soviet authority that had the "codes" (ie the power to launch nukes). Your interpretation along nationalist lines is non-applicable.

[@Thelooneylink]

Get it on Rumble before youtube deletes

[@CamiDiscerns]

Yeah. I downloaded it.

[@aslampervez2294]

Thanks

[@user-ik8ot1gq3j]

Sad story. Very similar to ours, the Bulgarian story, during the nineties. Luckily, without the violence, may be because we are unilateral, small and so closed to Russia, so Western appetites were much less. I wish Ukraine to find itself, rely only on itself and understand that they can live in multi national society as we will in peace with the Turkish population in our country.

[@denxero]

Seems that today your EU satraps have fully submitted your country to the US empire though.

[@haroldcruz8550]

Damn George_S is f**king everywhere.

[@Dowlphin]

Anyone who still calls him a philanthropist gets a high idiot rating and a cringing facepalm from me.

[@censorthis-uu6cc]

@@Dowlphin - Philanthropath

[@gcoffey223]

Ukraine on Fire is pretty enlightening

[@debralegorreta1375]

Hard to stomach Yushchenko claiming there's nothing negative about Ukrainian nationalism, what he calls "the right to self-determination." He willfully ignores the glaring fact that his right to self-determination is rooted in the extermination of others who do not share his identity. This documentary does an excellent job to expose Yushchenko's lies by showing images that contradict what he is saying. He is saying that today's nationalism cannot be confused with the nationalism of the 1940's. The images (starting at minute 1:14:09) show that the two time periods are practically identical. Such a blatant lie, yet we hear it all the time in the West. Sick.

[@debralegorreta1375]

Yushchenko is very well aware of the facts; he is lying because that favors his politics. That makes him a fascist as well.

[@glgdpeter]

Excellent documentary 👏 👍 👌 !!!

[@fossgamer]

Any reason why this isn't the full version of the documentary? The KZbin version is only 1h 48m and the official length is 1h 57m. The bits missing include some detals of George Soros and his NGO's, various pieces with Rudy Giuliani (a divisive figure I know) and I think most importantly the part showing then Vice President Joe Biden withholding a loan to Ukraine unless they take action against/fire the state prosecutor. Hunter Biden was on the board of a company (Burisma Holdings) that was under investigation by the state prosecutor. For anyone interested, the full version is available on Rumble.

[@tmedia10827]

This is very simple explanation-this version was published early then we finished to film interview with Rudy

[@ninobee]

Thank you, Simona. Great job!

[@sabinereynaudsf]

They call this interviews? All she does is nod her head, while having a vacant look on her face. There is absolutely no clarifications or follow-up questions. And when she asks questions, what are they supposed to mean? ....how strong it's radicated in people's mind???? And how can she say the adoption of independence was against the will of the people? Looks like they voted for it.

[@hanna8418]

I had to watch it twice, but if you focus on what is said instead of “opinionating”, it was an extremely informative documentary .

[@davisoneill]

Outstanding documentary. Every journalist should watch this - but of course they'd rather be paid to write lies.

[@Ryaa680]

I was sent here from TikTok. From a commentator I’ve never heard of (Scott McKay). But he said you need to watch this. I will watch with an open and unbias mind.

[@newlifeforgodtruth2521]

Lol me too are we what's your @ ?

[@KaileyB616]

Please watch Ukraine On Fire too kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnmrYmOgfrd9o7M

[@realgrilledsushi]

Thank you for this. Will watch

[@akuseru85]

We also need Revealing Ukraine! Has it been taken down from Amazon? I cannot find it.

[@Hands2HealNow]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnzGnoF9q8Z3i9U

[@Thelooneylink]

It is on Rumble and free. Ukraine on Fire and Revealing Ukraine

[@eileenmc4746]

On you tube at this film companys site

[@zenaidaspeyers7186]

Still in rumble

[@habib.bhatti]

Still on amazon to purchase or rent

[@BigIN0]

Let's see what is the current (before 20.02.22) status of Ukraine compared to what it should be according to 1:46:51 : 1) Democratic -> not really, is controlled from outside 2) Sovereign -> not really, is controlled from outside 3) Legal -> even so the far right movement did not get any power through votes, that mean nothing as long as Nazi form legal militia and have weapon 4) Non-Aligned -> not really, is controlled from outside 5) Nuclear-Free -> at least that it is. Current situation (31.03.22) would be much worse if those Nazi (see point 3) would have access to Nukes. As it stands the Nukes are (hopefully) in the more sensible hands and (hopefully) are only used as a deterrent as they should be. 6) Stat -> Ukraine is a State for now. As Derkach sayes at 1:46:54, Ukraine can truly become all the points 1-6 and truly prosper. Even with the regulations of the Minsk II Treaty. But for now they choose Nazi and war. 😥

[@thestarwarsful]

Cant agree to your end statement. Russia chose war no one else.

[@jcr4runner]

@@thestarwarsful Zelenskyy chose to agree to Russia's terms and avoid war. He actually campaigned on bringing peace to Donbass. But => not really, Z is controlled from outside. Yes, he's a criminal, but I think in the beginning he had halfway good intentions. Maybe?

[@ShakaCthulu]

@@jcr4runner Most the Minsk protocols depended on cooperation from Russia, which was not only uncooperative, it laughably pretended not to have troops in East Ukraine & claimed to be an uninvolved party. If someone puts a gun to your head, places a contract in front of you & says “sign this”, is it a viable contract?

[@jcr4runner]

@@ShakaCthulu Okay. Show me specifically in the agreements where it says this? That's a western fabricated version of an excuse. That is the Western version of why Kyiv was incapable of stopping the shelling of Donbass. NATO trained militia troops in Ukraine with "advisors." Russia had it's advisors. Obviously the agreements were not specific enough to avoid alternative interpretations by both sides. Since that time Ukraine, Poland, Germany and France all admitted the agreements were to buy time to arm, train and reinvade Donbass and take Crimea. Now Russia is settling the conflict on its own terms.

[@schneider87666]

22:14 That sound was from Movie "Syriana"...

[@aaron4wilkins]

Excellent

[@ritabarcar]

12:23 This is exactly what America is doing, exactly word by word what it promised not to do! Therefore, good luck in trusting America!

[@mileskennedy6753]

Russia puts the Ukraine to shame all the way. 🤠

[@646oleg]

Jumping over open fire was prohibited in the Soviet socks. It did literally melts on your feet.

[@ivansokol4217]

My country 😥

[@Dowlphin]

Wow, the editors found another annoying background fill than blurred clone. Anything but sanity, huh? Hard to watch, also since I already watched the two Oliver Stone ones on Ukraine, and here I'd have to switch watch speed between spoken and subtitled segments.

[@damg2992]

You should look at some factual errors in the movie, like Poroshenko is one of the founders of Party of Regions, and things similar to that.

[@tmedia10827]

Poroshenko was one of the founders of Party of Regions, what wrong with that?? You don’t know that??

[@yegorzhulin6771]

12:13 This part of George Bush sr's speech didn't age well.

[@haroldcruz8550]

That makes you wonder, are we really still free.

[@loop1479]

@@haroldcruz8550 As long as "they" say you can be. You haven't been paying attention over the last two years have you?

[@KaileyB616]

@@haroldcruz8550 obviously not

[@natanielmacedo270]

Muito obrigado. Aprendi muito com esse documentário. Desejo vitória e vida longa aos queridos amigos ucranianos. Glory to Ukraine!

[@calicocat8213]

Are you sure you really watched the documentary?

[@Hands2HealNow]

Its inforrunate that the captions are so small that reading them is impossible.

[@cristianr3712]

Get glasses, the captions are fine.

[@debralegorreta1375]

go to settings "the little gear wheel" in the screen, there you can adjust the font size.

[@daniellemurphy9755]

I'm confused, in Ukraine on fire, yatsyuk (sp?), Nuland's pick, was elected... why is this video talking about poroshenko (who was elected at some point but so was yatsyuk according to the same director's 2015 film)???!!!!!

[@jcr4runner]

Yatsenyuk was "head of government" -- which is like the Ukrainian presidential cabinet head. Oleksandr Turchynov was the interim president after the coup. A non-elected president who did a lot of evil things. Some were overturned by the Supreme Court. Poroshenko was elected later in the year as president. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_Ukraine Confused? Don't feel bad, so are most Ukrainians!

[@spaduke]

Is it allowed to leave a message? The most recent message is dated 10 days ago.

[@justfreedude]

i am reading your message 10 days after your wrote it. :)

[@ooo1590]

Nice

[@charliebadboy5317]

I am troubled with this film. The lack of subtitles, with the Streaming version, leaves the viewer accepting the Film makes edits and voice over interpretation. Un-resolved are the current status of Rightwing Groups, Rudi Ghuliani's opinion, and Trumps role.

[@kwazooplayingguardsman5615]

Trump's only fault in this is not being harsh enough on the actions of the U.S doing to Ukraine. Remember his first impeachment? it was because he called zelensky and asked him to investigate the poroshenko-biden call.

[@paxvostrum4824]

Great documentary, sad reality

[@nazarco4513]

"Nothing Out There" is that soundtrack or u're talking about Ukraine?

[@646oleg]

true history

[@Shemuel7]

Какая нафиг киевская Русь? Вы о чём? Не существовало такого государства никогда. Это всего лишь наименование исторического периода, когда столицей Руси был Киев. Термин был введён в XIX веке, по-моему, исключительно для удобства т.к. в те времена не было одной определенной столицы. В разные исторические периоды столица располагалась в разных городах. Первая столица Руси находилась в Ладоге (сейчас она называется Старая Ладога) и исторический период называется Ладожская Русь, когда столица была во Владимире - Владимирская Русь, в Киеве - Киевская Русь. Но самостоятельных государств таких никогда не существовало.

[@DataJYdocs]

.🔍👌

[@athenakoios]

Now it’s too late

[@hugovoss]

This woman Simona is so gorgeous. Those lips and those eyes, oh my God. It puts most Western women to shame. Good heavens 😳

[@johnre5731]

She's Italian. In other words, Western.

[@NoreenHoltzen]

Italian raised but with shared Eastern European descent - but Italians are also a class of its own. Living in France and Italy, and regularly travelling to Russia, I find a lot in common with the Italian and Russian women. And I agree with the original post - the women of US, Australia, UK etc, and to an extent French, German, are far less feminine on the whole.

[@justfreedude]

03/25/2022. It is obvious that this documentary of Ukrainian History is from the Russian perspective... nevertheless... based on the vid, seems there is a lot if influence by US, which is most likely true. But there is also a lot of influence by Russia, which is not talked about much in this vid. Neither US or RU is innocent imo. I agree with the conclusions at the end of the video, saying that Ukraine needs to get rid of outside influence (both Us AND RU), unfortunately, RU took that chance away on Feb 24, 2022.

[@Dowlphin]

Fake neutralism. Too shocking to accept that Putin did everything he could to find a peacful solution against an incorrigible war addicted terror empire on its path of demise. There was no chance that could have been taken away. If anything, Russia's ... 'intervention' 😏 is opening up hope. And when people have allowed a situation to become this bad, hope is bought with a path of dread endured. Change isn't easy.

[@mikisavic9716]

Russians and Ukrainians are fraternal nations. More than 3mn of Ukrainians live in Russia. Both sides are deeply intertwined, many Russians have family ties in Ukraine and vice-versa. It’s natural that there is strong Russian presence. West of Ukraine is burdened with nazi collaboration indeed, and this makes Ukrainians divided themselves. However, it was grave mistake to reintroduce nazis and fascists national heroes, stadiums and streets named after Roman Shukhevych, Stepan Bandera etc. Nazi battalions (Azov, C14, Right Sector, DeadHand …) payed on tax money within police, military and security services, it’s just insane. Those groups terrorized Russian speaking citizens, Roma, etc for more than a decade. Horrible atrocities happened like 2.may 2014 and burning near 50ppl alive in Odessa, nobody was ever arrested or charged on it. Whole society sinked in anarchy, racism, nazism, while institutions collapsing further in corruption. It’s just sad and tragic story. Ukraine could choose different path, to be respectful for all ppls living within, fighting for betterment and economic progress, statehood. Could join EU if that is what ppl want, trade with both EU and Russia, have its own army. But strong and striving Ukraine wasn’t good for US interests, Ukraine served as proxy territory for stand off with Russia for a decades now. (aside massive looting and theft of Ukranian gas through Burisma after 2014. Maidan coup) Ukraine have never had true patriotic gvmt, which would fight for true Ukranian interests. Making decisions, one after another, which would end in a fraternal war with a neighbor you share 2300km of border with, is just plain stupid, let alone bombing Russian speaking citizens on Donbass for 8 years now.

[@dmitriyvet9893]

Russia paid off all the debts of Ukraine that Ukraine had during the period when the country was a republic in the USSR, although Russia was not obliged to do this. According to the agreement, each country that became independent after the collapse of the USSR paid off the debts of the Soviet period on its own. But Russia paid off all the debts of Ukraine. Then Russia sold gas to Ukraine at a big discount, much cheaper than in Europe, almost at the cost of production. Russia gave Ukraine a $3 billion loan, but Ukraine refused to repay it, and Russia wrote off this debt. Ukraine received from the USSR a developed industry, economy, half of the territory of modern Ukraine - these are the territories that Soviet leaders annexed to it: Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev. Lenin annexed the Donbass (eastern part of Ukraine), Stalin annexed several regions of the western part of the country, Khrushchev annexed the Crimea. Without these lands, modern Ukraine would be a small country, consisting of three or four regions, which are now the central part of the country. The Soviet Union and Russia gave modern Ukraine everything one could dream of, and Ukraine squandered it all and gave it away cheaply to the USA and Europe, and even blamed the USSR and Russia for this.

[@kristJ25]

Most countries that have declared independence go through this even those colononized but Ukraine for some reason wants to be a someones bitch does not seem to have the confidence to stand on its own 2 feet even thou it appears to have great potential. I live here in the UK and have known some Ukrainians for some 20 years and they blame their leaders not Russia or the West for the state of their country. I respectfully disagree that this is just a Russian perspective

[@matthewkopp2391]

After the war ends I hope Ukraine returns to Gorbachev‘s ideas of worker owned cooperatives and kick out vulture oligarchs including US vultures and say no to Nazi. Everything since Gorbachev has been a load of crap, neoliberalism, Nazi, ethno-nationalism. Zelinskyy just ended all Left parties! But not fascist Svoboda? You should know what he is up to by doing that. Return to real self determination of rebuilding together.

[@sabinereynaudsf]

Is Russia going to throw out its oligarchs let go of its imperial nationalism?

[@teslastellar]

Thank you for the interviews. I do however have to point out that your characterization of the law on the indigenous peoples of Ukraine as a copy of a Nazi Germany law is incorrect. The law does not define Russians as non-indigenous. I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion but that statement seriously puts into question the validity of the other statements made in the documentary. Another criticism I have is the exclusion of Russia's actions aimed at preventing an independent Ukraine. There's no doubt that the West has played an absolutely negative role but I doubt that the role played by Russia has always been positive.

[@teslastellar]

@@arturoo.631 Yes another thing they could've discussed is why Yanukovich had to say no to Europe and yes to Russia. The EU wanted him to cut energy subsides (political suicide) and wanted to give small loans with many strings attached. He's presented as pro Russia but in fact he was pro Ukraine and took the deal that was best for Ukraine. I'm sure that Russia has been trying to prevent a truly independent Ukraine but the EU deal in 2014 was simply not good for Ukraine so they could explain for example other actions by Russia that were aimed at keeping Ukraine in Russia's orbit.

[@NataLia-on3eo]

Can't find video of Victor Yanukovich the president of Ukrain at that time when he said about Russian speaking citizens of Ukrain "we will be richl, our kids will have the best future, the old will have high pension etc. And they (Russian speaking Ukrainians) will have nothing, their kids won't have future, they will live in basements forever" and everyone was applauding... and then they start to bomb this separatists regions in 2014. You can see it in the beginning of Donbass documentary. And he did what he said. They blocked Donetsk and lugansk areas with military, didn't support them with money, so they didn't get any social payments. They stopped supporting clinics, they didn't allow to get any papers. Like newborns couldn't receive birth certificates. And so on and on and on. How to call this actions of the government to its citizens? I don't know

[@teslastellar]

@@NataLia-on3eo Victor Yanukovich was the president who was removed by the coup. Why would he be saying such things?

[@NataLia-on3eo]

@@teslastellar sorry, was different president. Poroshenko I think. They had lots of presidents)

[@NataLia-on3eo]

@@teslastellar poroshenko speech on kids of donbass. You can check its available on KZbin

[@user-cf2vv8wf4r]

Фильм хороший. Украинцы, те же русские (не считая Галиции, у них Родины нет). Всё будет хорошо на Украине...

[@Holubchyk]

Чорта тобі лисого, а не рускіє. Бурят тобі брат, лаптєногий.

[@saniorita2006]

В Украине точно все будет хорошо , а вот что будет на России остаётся загадкой )

[@user-no5kg2vi2r]

@@Holubchyk Молодца! И дальше пиши такое, пусть все видят ваше истинное лицо!

[@Holubchyk]

@@user-no5kg2vi2r здєсь водкі нєт. Йди звідси

[@user-no5kg2vi2r]

@@Holubchyk А че, ты думал, что тут кокс даром дают?🤣, все халяву ищешь?

[@martinrohac1213]

While the Ukraine on FIre was lets say seeing the real events from interesting different perspective, this one was pure propaganda.

[@sabinereynaudsf]

They call this interviews? All she does is nod her head, while having a vacant look on her face. There is absolutely no clarifications or follow-up questions.

[@NoreenHoltzen]

Nonsense, she interviews particularly well and much better than usual interviewers. She asks good questions and all attention is on their answer. Attention is purely on the subject.

[@sabinereynaudsf]

@@NoreenHoltzen You have to be joking. They are cutting from one interview to another and back without ever showing an entire answer. The whole thing is all over the place in order to create a story. Even if she did a decent job, you wouldn't be able to tell from this.

[@AzovPort]

Ukraine 🇺🇦 war 2022 🤬🫢☠️

[@earahart956]

This is a Russian propaganda film. Don't bother.

[@scottspencer6899]

This film is very derivative of igor lopotonik's Ukraine on fire documentary..

[@ragingrageofrages1259]

Both are part of the same trilogy by Igor I.\: U On Fire, Revealing U, The Everlasting Present.

[@scottspencer6899]

@@ragingrageofrages1259 it doesn't say it was directed by igor lopotonik. If so, Ukraine on fire is easily the best. I'm still waiting to see igors new film with Oliver stone called 'qazak! I doubt that it will ever be available to buy on amazon though.. I can't even find a copy of revealing Ukraine on DVD to buy.

[@the.scratch.monster]

@@scottspencer6899 the problem is people keep saying Ukraine on Fire is biased, therefore it is Russian propaganda.. but here they can see it from the Ukrainian side and they confirm the same facts, but at least they are less likely to dismiss it as propaganda

[@tmedia10827]

@@scottspencer6899 Yes, it was directed by Igor Lopatonok, we don’t release Revealing Ukraine on the DVD, QAZAQ will be available very soon, and we have 8 episodes of documentary series version of QAZAQ, so far QAZAQ even better then Ukraine on Fire.

[@Dowlphin]

@@the.scratch.monster Those who want to dismiss truth as propaganda can do so whenever it pleases them. That has been shown particularly clearly once again.