The Evolution of Masculinity in Film

[@dgfreshx]

I always pictured characters like Wesley from the Princess Bride, or Aragorn from LOTR as the prime examples of manliness. They are tough and willing to fight, but they do so for a sense of purpose, and are dedicated to their cause above themselves. They also aren't random romantics; they are deeply dedicated to their loved ones and have a sense of morality and purpose.

[@nihaalsandim9986]

I agree as well , Aragon is an ideal of a man

[@Meyer-gp7nq]

The princess bride is one of the greatest movies ever

[@rosezingleman5007]

As a 64 yo woman who married not one, but two weak, non-masculine men, when I hear Sean Connery in that scene, I burst into tears. I don’t think I’ve known even one masculine (which is to say a non-emasculated feminist) man except my own father who was born in 1923. Today’s men swim in the sea of feminism and they don’t even know they’re wet with it. It’s dispiriting. I’m a lifelong movie buff, used to write about masculinity in the Golden Age of the studios and how obvious masculinity was, how upfront. A lack of moral clarity was what marked the non-masculine man in film. Men who don’t understand ‘male-ness’ are now standard issue from the daycare culture.

[@Holycurative9610]

I've always been an advocate of men should be manly and women should be womanly, it's what makes the world go on after all🤣 I agree that the males of today are emasculated by society and only have to look as far as my 2 sons (in their late teens) to see how far society has sunk in it's race to the bottom. I don't mean that in a bad way but my son's are not the same as me, I grew up in the 70s and 80s and we were encouraged to be manly, to be the provider, to work the 2 dirty jobs so the wife and kids had a good life. I think the majority of women today (who are under a certain age), in the UK anyway, want to be the masculine one in the relationship. Interestingly enough in countries where the woke BS hasn't had any impact women are the complete opposite, my g/friend is from the Philippines and she wants a man to make decisions and be in control. She likes the defined gender roles and while she is a strong woman she is happy to defer to me because I'm the masculine one in our relationship. It's an interesting subject and I could go on for hours so I'll shut up now🤫😜

[@KnightEnterprises]

Day care culture. HAHAHAHAHA

[@rtyria]

If anyone is wondering what a man is, he is the foundation stone of his family. If he is grounded well and sound then his family will be strong. If he is cracked or off kilter in any way his family will crumble.

[@AmatureAstronomer]

Though he was short and fat, I always thought that Samwise Gamgee was a real man.

[@millsrickman7703]

Yep

[@EgoEroTergum]

He was short and fat because he was born in the Shire. If there'd been no war, he might never have glowed up. He nurtured his gentle, caring side in the Shire - the road to Mordor gave him a chance to test the strength of his convictions. It hurt, but it gave him what he was missing: confidence in himself, and in the righteousness of his convictions. Sam in the Shire, clipped hedges under the eves. Sam after Mordor, clipped hedges, head held high, with his wife and daughter beside him.

[@SirBlackReeds]

He's an average man, but in a good way. All he wants is to have a good wife and live a good life. That's the peak of relatability.

[@Meyer-gp7nq]

Yes

[@HPunch54321]

“What men are, the future will be.” I love the saying.

[@SpiritLife]

No one likes the passive weak "men" of modern Hollywood. The antihero is played out by now. I'm tired of the "cool" man who doesn't care. Where are the men who care deeply and fight for a cause greater than themselves?

[@andrewtuttle9682]

I think it goes in cycles. People got tired of every single character being a superman like character who has very few weaknesses and very rarely shows a sign of moral weakness because people in real life are not nearly that one dimensional, so people wanted a character like han solo who might not be the best guy but proves himself in the end, but eventually that got played out so people ask for a more traditional type of hero, and then that gets played out, so people want to go back to the antihero, and so on and so forth. The problem is that it feels like every character is written as an antihero nowadays and so it's kind of getting repetitive. I'm sure it'll swing back in the other direction eventually.

[@thedumbassspeaks]

@SpiritLife-What causes are those? Humanity has lost its way.

[@SpiritLife]

@@thedumbassspeaks well, despite the false causes woke people try to foist upon America, there are real human rights violations like human trafficking and abortion and government corruption going on. The ultimate cause is the one that's eternal in nature, ie, building God's kingdom

[@nsaad3048]

The antihero was a step up from now. Not the same thing as the more passive, cooperative, leadership-averse types.

[@alaalfa8839]

What is purpose of fighting, if there is no winning.... to live in peace afterwards, go to vacation, enjoy family life with kids, puppies kitties and horses. If purpose of fighting is a peace then peace should be the best manifestation of peace, and prevention of violence and setting an example for everybody to do the same and live in peace, and set example for kids for example study music....that is so peaceful that prevents violence or study chemistry or philosophy math, architectures arts etc. peaceful men are manifesting peace preventing violence by manifesting peace, such as detective Columbo, who is funny guy. to make other people do the same and enjoy its beauty.

[@davidemmet7343]

*When I studied ancient cultures I always wondered what a matriarchy would really be like. Now I know.*

[@logangrimnar3800]

Remember when your kindergarten teacher would take your toy truck away because another student might play with it in a way she wouldn't like, but let the girls keep their dolls and stuffed animals? You know how theyd wrote your name in the board if you did something wrong and encouraged the class to not be like you? Imagine that as an adult, only the truck is real, and the class is society.

[@pilouuuu]

It's pretty sad, isn't it?

[@Nifter71]

Any evidence for that? Like... any? At all..?

[@stephencarter7266]

​@@logangrimnar3800I don't remember being allowed to bring my toy trucks to school. I don't believe I would have been able to read my name on a chalkboard in Kindergarten as I didn't yet know the alphabet let alone how to read. Be careful how you choose your metaphors and analogies, lest you lose your credibility.

[@denvan3143]

@@Nifter71 any evidence of the matriarchy? 73% of suicides in the United States are men. Men are by far more than victims of violent crimes and women. More men receive longer prison sentences than women. Five times as many adolescent males commit suicide as females. 93% of workplace fatalities are male. Males make up a small percentage of college students. Males are subject to conscription during times of war, women are not. Most of horses are instigated by women rather than men and most court settlements favor women.

[@simontrober7487]

Joey calls his father a coward. Shane smacks the boy's bottom, telling him that his father is stronger than him by being a farmer rather than a gunslinger. Choosing peace, not war. Choosing hard farming work, not easy killing. Both men are needed to create a society.

[@thomasdowell3002]

I haven’t seen Shane yet, but I think that scene you’re talking about is from The Magnificent Seven

[@simontrober7487]

@@thomasdowell3002 Its duplicated in The Magnificent Seven. It may have been the youngest 'wearing black' gunfighter, who was from a small Mexican village. From what I remember he was ashamed of the farmers for not fighting back but secretly understood their plight. Shane knows he is a gunfighter and hasn't the ability to really take risks and raise a family, like the farmer. The farmer was the true hero. The farmer's wife supported and understood her husband, even if admiring Shane. This is missing from our selfish society today.

[@fandomzack]

Growing up watching those "men of violence" eventually led me to pursuing fighting and martial arts sports. But I'll never forget when I first started, my father told me "You learn how to fight in the hopes that you never have to" - that you're ready to fight, but not looking for one. I came to realise that about masculinity as well - Always being ready to act, in all fields of life, but not to go looking for action or to allow it to define you.

[@Ironswiftness]

"If money becomes the measure of manhood, the price is your moral soul" -greatest line

[@sandy-pf9bb]

My father controlled the TV in our house and we watched westerns, war movies, and crime dramas. My idea of manhood was shaped by John Wayne, Bogart, and more. As a little girl, when I played house it was a cabin on a ranch. The scene you showed of McClintock is my very favorite scene of any movie ever. I understand that there are men who take things too far, my father was abusive. But to stand for nothing, to tolerate everything is so wrong. I like real men. I like cowboys. Real men treated women with care and respect. I miss those days, when people knew right from wrong. The world is crazy now, much scarier than the wild west.

[@marsoblivi0n945]

That’s the problem though. Not every automatically deserves respect. We have to stop with that way of thinking. It gets good men abused and tore down. We live in a narcissistic society. So finding anyone normal these days are low in numbers. Both sides

[@abrahemsamander3967]

Mars. Maybe not respect, as in, earned respect. But a reasonable amount of dignity and courtesy, without being walked over.

[@sandy-pf9bb]

@@abrahemsamander3967 I agree. Not everyone gets earned respect. But everyone is intrinsically worthy of respect and courtesy.

[@Madkingstoe]

I grew up with a single mom in the 80's, so cartoons were my babysitter after school. That's where I got alot of my ideas about what a man should be like. It wasn't until I had a child of my own that I noticed how much kids cartoons have changed. When I was young most of the kids cartoons were about adults (or creatures/robots voiced by adults) - He-Man, GI Joe, Thundercats, Inspector Gadget, Spiderman, Smurfs, Transformers, Tailspin, Ducktales, Ghostbusters, Scooby Doo, etc. These days all the shows are about children, or creatures made to seem young and cute. There are almost no shows that teach children to be mature or masculine any longer.

[@pasalasaga]

Meanwhile the cartoons from the 90s and 2000s are basically the pre-shitpost era.

[@discobunny4eva759]

Aw come on, what about Rick Sanchez?

[@pasalasaga]

@@cactusmalone I grew up with Spectacular Spider-Man. The Batman's shows were not something of my kind except for the Animated Universe with The Animated Series that I haven't watched as a kid because there wasn't in those times, and also Dragon Ball.

[@pasalasaga]

@@cactusmalone I have always being a fan. It inspired me sometimes to be strong but peaceful.

[@pasalasaga]

@@cactusmalone I wouldn't say an Idol, because idols are bad in the first place, but because It's more of an inspiration to me. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Goku, Luffy, Guts, Miyamoto Musashi, Solid Snake and Big Boss, Sam Fisher, Ezio Auditore, Altaïr, Aiden Pearce, Agent 47, John Wick, and a long etc. The biggest one is Jesus, but before I knew him, I have seen others.

[@JordanJimmyDavison]

That Terminator scene is actually “Terminator 2: Judgement Day.” Best opening scene of an action movie for me as a kid. Loved it!

[@danielnoonan8046]

Also the scene makes you think Arnold is the bad guy again by showing him be such a violent machine. Adds to the twist that he is fact a good guy. Just a good scene. I do see klavans point though.

[@chad6738]

Came here to say this. That is my favorite movie of all time. Grew up on it

[@nickynicks_]

Agreed! T1 has a great opening too though. And I think Kyle Reese is an underappreciated character, especially when we're talking about strong, masculine characters. The guy literally went up against a Terminator with no weapons from the future and another person under his wing. Impressive I believe. He's plenty overshadowed by Arnold's Terminator though and even by Sarah Connor

[@Gitn2it]

Speaking of good sequels, I like the Bill Paxton character in "Aliens." He comes off like a coward because he doesn't want to carelessly or unnecessarily risk his life. But he shows how courageous and brave he is when the time comes.

[@denroy3]

@@chad6738 and did you watch the video?

[@diogosabino2545]

The Man who shot liberty valance is so good!!! Watched it recently and wow!

[@stephencarter7266]

"He's not John Wayne"...The irony of _'The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance'_ is that Jimmy Stewart was a real tough guy, while John Wayne was just a thespian....not that there's anything wrong with that (being a thespian).

[@lysanderofsparta3708]

In real life Jimmy Stewart would be the one saving John Wayne from the bad guys.

[@cowcocky]

“That’s all true. Now be a Man.” Well said

[@Holycurative9610]

One of John Wayne's best movies, for me anyway, that sum up the end of an era of tough guy westerns is The Shootist, it starred Jimmy Stewart and Lauren Bacall as well as a young Ron Howard, and for me summed up Wayne's career in a nutshell. I find it an incredibly sad movie for a couple of reasons, it was Wayne's last feature film, he had already beaten cancer once and it showed how every age must finally end when all those people who made that age what it was finally die!! He was cancer free when filming took place but died of cancer some 3 or 4 years later and it wasn't his last movie role as people like to think because he had an unaccredited role in the first Star Wars movie but I don't know if his small part was actually used in the final cut of the movie by George Lucas. After Wayne died we ended up with a succession of western movies by Kevin Costner which, whilst watchable, were never a patch on films like True Grit or the westerns with Clint Eastwood.

[@pasalasaga]

One of my inspirations as I was growing up were Goku, Ezio, Kratos and Spider-Man, then Guts later on.

[@mattm8092]

Hi Mr. Klavan, I always have sincerely enjoyed your analysis of American films/entertainment media. I find it to be some of the best film commentary KZbin has to offer and I hope you continue to do these videos in the future!

[@garyfrancis6193]

I think the cartoonishly violent and exaggerated image of masculinity in 1980’s movies reflected a distorted understanding what men are. This was for a generation in the 1970’s who had grown up fatherless with their mother describing to them how abusive and worthless their father was and all men in general. That has evolved now after a few more generations into emasculinated men and a surge men trying to identify as “trans women” an exaggerated, cartoonish idea of women. So many young women support this because all they know is the distorted image of men fostered and promoted by feminists. None of this is really to the benefit of women as we see trans women infiltrating women’s sports. Men under 50 have been totally confused for at least 40 years by contradictory information about how women want them to behave because women themselves are completely confused about how they should be living their lives. The result now is a popular push to deny biological if not all physical reality. This can only lead to one fatal result for individuals and society as a whole at least in the Western world. The Middle East, Africa and Asia are not so much into this unless they are strongly influenced by western culture. I see this because I live in Asia in a country strongly influenced by western, particularly American culture. This ultimately is a philosophy of death.

[@seymourfields3613]

McClintock is a great movie, I love that quote.

[@logangrimnar3800]

The 80s saw society create two molds for men to fill, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Chevy Chase. Either a muscle-bound hero, or a derpy family man whose role was to be humiliated for wanting anything a normal father provides.

[@bullgravy6906]

How did society go the Chevy Chase route geez

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

"Life is full of disappointment. This is one of them. DEAL WITH IT!" Tsgt Roosevelt Williams

[@RiverRev]

Growing up, my role model was C.S. Forrester's Horatio Hornblower. A seasick sailor who is driven by duty to be more than what he is, but always with humanity. He is brave, he is daring, he is always struggling with his personal doubts.

[@RandallvanOosten-ln5wf]

This is a really superb video. All men should watch it.

[@OrsonWelles_Magic]

The movie 'After Her Smile' best portrays a man's grind for identity, revealing his strength and vulnerability.

[@danieladmassu941]

As always, a very well thought out and contemplative post.

[@billthomas635]

Victor Davis Hansen speaks of society needing the gunslinger and then telling them to move along. Beside Shane he lists Patten and LeMay. I could add the Polish pilots of RAF 303 Sqn who were treated shabbily once the war had been won.

[@davidemmet7343]

I just watched Hansen's video. It's excellent and it echoes the message that Klavan is making. Hansen's video "A case for Trump" where he describes Trump as a flawed hero, had a big influence on how I view Trump.

[@RandallvanOosten-ln5wf]

​@@davidemmet7343VDH, agreed, is making the point that the flawed hero (Shane) who is willing to pay the price to do the dirty work and save a community is quickly disposed of once the threat is dealt with. Trump is an archetype of such a man. The nation disposed of him and now Pandora's box of consequences has been unleashed.

[@bogdanpopescu1401]

same with The seven samurai

[@michaelbeasley5783]

Glengary Glenross: such a classic--script and performances.

[@KelikakuCoutin]

You forget. The Jewish ritual of manhood, the "Bar Mitzvah" is a rite of passage into manhood. Think about that. Think about how it's been abandoned and maligned, how it's been discounted and ignored. How it's been misunderstood and why it's been marginalized. I remember your story of how your bar mitzvah was unsuccessful because of the attitude you had, how the people around you had failed to inspire you, how instead of pride in your passing into manhood you felt only anger and rage, that the entire thing was ludicrous. Ironically, you were paving the way for even worse things to come. The passage into manhood is something that all boys must prepare for, but without the inspiration that your very own mentors failed to provide your boyhood self with, that passage falters. Thanks for the content. Keep up the good work. בס'ד

[@xbubblehead]

Of the films I have seen, I think my idea of what an admirable man is was best portrayed by Gregory Peck in "The Big Country" and how his fiancee could not see his strength because he chose to be resolute in being true to himself regardless of the opinion of others.

[@SpiritRaiser117]

One of my favorite quotes that show's the difference between the kinds of men you mentioned comes from Robert E. Howard. "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split."

[@redwhiteblue5041]

I can never get past the opening monologs- which are fantastic. But I understood this entire clip. Great message.

[@garyfrancis6193]

The Duke was poking Leo Gordon in the stomach with his rifle. I have always wondered if Leo Gordon and Bruce Gordon ( Frank Nitty in “The Untouchables”) were related. Leo Gordon also played a reformed felon who returns to visit Sheriff Andy in Mayberry who sent him up the river. Fortunately Andy has Barney Fife, Gomer Pyle and Otis Campbell protecting him. Good luck.

[@Hard_Boiled_Entertainment]

I'm curious what Drew thinks about the recent Marlowe film with Liam Neeson.🤔

[@gchobbs3]

Great stuff, but Ranse Stoddard didn't shoot Liberty Valance. Tom Doniphon did.

[@Lightning613]

and, from the shadows

[@xbubblehead]

I always find it curious that people consider John Wayne a hero because he played heroes in the movies. Whereas someone like James Stewart, a real-life hero, played a range of characters not necessarily heroic who doesn't come to mind when thinking of heroes.

[@Awestefeld6612]

In my adolescent time, my hero was Mr. Spock as a role model.

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

Spock is all logic. Lacks the passion and compulsion a man has to deal with to become a man. Kirk is the perfect example of masculinity in Trek.

[@bullgravy6906]

It’s a logical choice.

[@5stardave]

You showed Arnold from "Terminator 2" but not Michael Biehn (Kyle Reese) from "The Terminator".

[@andrewtuttle9682]

Am i the only one who laughed out loud at the cover of that john wayne movie? 😂 mclintock

[@elijeremiah1058]

Yes I loved it 😂

[@benjaminread5287]

Brilliant video, love your culture sections, pure gold.

[@RustyShackleford-eq8ie]

There's so much irony in John Wayne playing the stronger foil to Jimmy Stewart, and I feel like such a dork for pointing it out, but I respect and admire Jimmy Stewart too much not to.

[@swirlcrop]

This video is really excellent. It has some very good points every writer should know.

[@AjaxDGonzo]

I think to some degree this evolution degradation of morality is exactly why The Sopranos worked. It wasn’t showing a lot of morality, but it was still self aware and allowed for them to show masculinities positive and negative aspects.

[@Meyer-gp7nq]

“True Lies” is the best Schwarzenegger movie

[@pasalasaga]

You know that Terminator is supposed to be Action terror right? Like, T-800 is a villain and was one, do you know that?

[@eomerofrohan4399]

I was thinking Arnold from Predator would have been a better comparison for Andrew to make

[@anthonywutkowski199]

This was great, thanks Klavan!

[@stephencarter7266]

Great point about context in _One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest_ . Randle P McMurphy would have been the slimeball villian in e.g John Wayne film (or any Hollywood movie before the 70s). Put RP McMurphy in the midst of a bunch of neutered, neurotic males and you get a potent anti-hero.

[@kenthawley5990]

This was a fantastic analysis.

[@llamasarus1]

What was portrayed as super masculine in the 50's and 60's now just comes off as super grandpa-y. Even a lot of the humor does too.

[@johnsimmons831]

Brilliant closing words.

[@Hard_Boiled_Entertainment]

Drew, you do recall that (spoiler alert) Stoddard WASN'T the Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance, yes? That's the point of "When the legend becomes fact..."

[@eomerofrohan4399]

I was thinking the same thing

[@fakename1182]

My favorite subject is how the nature of men haven't changed, and so you see the man born in the wrong time, like Commander Queeg, tough sharp men who earned little to no pay, to defend our fat, dumb, happy country during times of peace and recieve no glory, only to see younger men unfurl themselves and do as they were born to do, and recieve their country's honors and recognition.

[@dougkleen9917]

Mammot also did the series The Unit.

[@megadeth1818]

arnold was the villain in terminator 1

[@msd5808]

8:00 It's a story as old as Gobekli Tepi. Hunters vs farmers.

[@hauntedhose]

Hearing good things about the Sound of Freedom movie….

[@thecanberean]

Great stuff!

[@pantarkan7]

I kinda like funny Klavan better than serious Klavan,,, but serious Klavan is right most of the time.

[@TimothyMuhlfeld]

That was powerful, thx Andrew!!!!!

[@marcusfairweather8917]

Small correction. It’s the great Angie Dickinson who plays Hallie in TMWSLV, not Vera Miles.

[@aranisles8292]

Small correction. It was Vera Miles.

[@marcusfairweather8917]

@@aranisles8292You’re right. I was confusing it with Rio Bravo 🤦‍♂️

[@barrymorgenstein201]

Uh no. Thats Vera Miles

[@marcusfairweather8917]

@@barrymorgenstein201 Duly noted

[@robertomendez187]

You read books? Well it doesn’t sound like it to be honest. You see “Indians “are from India. They’re called Native Americans. I have Indian friends from India. Doesn’t help that John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart were massively racist. There are videos of those two talking about how black shouldn’t have equal rights. But if you’re calling Native Americans Indian you probably don’t care.

[@stephencarter7266]

In an attempt to use blacks as political cannon fodder for your politics, you've taken John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart's comments out of context. Leave black folks ALONE!!! Handle your own business WITHOUT using us as your political and social shields!

[@seymourfields3613]

Imagine a world where the French had knights and the English had musketeers 😂

[@racenuke]

Correction: scene from T2. Great film

[@JoJoZaka]

Strange that back when men were oiled up and half naked in action films is even they were at their manliest

[@nickspann89]

No, only you have made that connection.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Eh, I prefer the stoic masculinity of men like John Wayne.

[@diogosabino2545]

Did you even watched the video? He literally said that at that time something was already wrong.

[@tdeo2141]

Maybe this is why I'm no longer interested in current movies. I'm so tired of the rivalry between men and women. Who are these film makers, are they in kindergarten? It's that age when boys think that girls are icky and vice versa. Then there's the unreal scenes where a woman beats up a man twice her size. I miss the older, more realistic movies.

[@stylishboy004]

Same here, same here...

[@garyfrancis6193]

Are you using “ telos “ which means “ end” or “ finish” in Greek to mean “ ultimate “. That is one’s ultimate identity? I have never heard it used this way and I lived in Greece for 8 years. This must be an English adoption of this word with a slightly different usage. BTW for anyone reading this far for the 1000th time there is no B or D in Greek. This leads to gross mispronunciations. β beta is the letter V. Δ delta is not D but the sound “ th” in mother, brother, feather. It drives me crazy ( not a very long trip) to hear English speakers butchering Greek by pronouncing as if it were English. Such people would spell Klavan with an “ e”.

[@thewishfulthinker]

Look up telos and Aristotle.

[@toodlescae]

4:14 Terminator 2 not Terminator

[@samblackwell8308]

Men talking about men is so manly

[@mike91mdk45]

"Masculinity? What's that?! Sounds scary. It's cancelled!" - 2020s

[@elijeremiah1058]

I really loved your video about Mr Rogers and I wish you had gone even further with it. He is beloved by Hollywood and the media because he’s the type of nice, effeminate wimp they want all men to be like.

[@moonknight4053]

What’s ur beef w the goat?

[@elijeremiah1058]

@@moonknight4053 He was feminine and wimpy, not a good role model for boys.

[@moonknight4053]

@@elijeremiah1058 Nah bro, he was something else, he showed you it was okay to be sensitive and welcoming. Showed Christ like traits,

[@elijeremiah1058]

@@moonknight4053 I’m sorry but I disagree. Christ was not a sissy. Mr Rogers couldn’t have protected his wife from an intruder. He would have talked about the intruders feelings while his wife gets raped.

[@moonknight4053]

@@elijeremiah1058 Men from his time were quite unique, so was he. A man being sensitive and different shouldn’t make him not masculine. You’re used to the media telling and showing what a man is. But u got some stuff right! A good man can be protective and strong! But also doesn’t mean he’s limited to that and a sort of John Wayne bravado.

[@arramon777]

Lesser extent Bruce Willis?! O.o ! hahaha

[@arramon777]

and the male hero in Terminator was Kyle Reese who went back in time to save Sara because he fell in love with her picture in the future and everything John (the unborn son) had been telling him about her...T2 builds on that. Strong mother, and in deleted scenes the ghost of Kyle Reese appears urging her to get it together to start protecting her kid, which she does and they both defeat the morphing gender fluid terminator Robert Patrick

[@michaelbeasley5783]

80s---the hyperbolic man.

[@rightinsideleftistmiasma2975]

Thats terminator 2 not 1

[@vanshnegi878]

Fix audio

[@bartercoins]

Masculinity in Film? What's that?

[@grindercap]

Klavan/Peterson colab is upcoming? Be a man is what it is all about! Are you a male thinking you are unable to be a man? Then support the concept of being a man. That is right, telling a low down liar that he is a low down liar is being a man and champions arise from such confrontations. I am not saying you should waste yourself in pointless confrontations. Thing is there are times when making a stand matters even if you, yourself, are incapable of enforcing the change that needs to be made. Sometimes making the stand is what matters the most because the enforcers will come in behind those who make the stand. Be a man when it counts my friends!!!

[@alg11297]

Okay Marlowe, you've been punched, hit, clubbed, and drugged. So now you're going to have to do something really hard. Put your pants on. These films were just entertaining. Only liberal arts would make this into something you can analyze. "I want you should find my Velma"

[@peterjanssen5901]

bye Moose, we hardly knew ya. ;)

[@christopherkopperman8108]

You must know that knights, samurai, westerns, etc. are mostly legend and not truth. Both versions of history are false and they are both false for the same reasons. Stories need a purpose, the past is just something that happened, history is an examination of the past to make a point. If you don't believe me just take a look at this whole recording. It is you explaining not what happened by why you think those things happened. What you think it all means. And just like every other story teller, your point is more important to the story then the facts.

[@KnightEnterprises]

That’s all true. Haha

[@ericstaples7220]

Sometimes, Clavan has really insightful things to say. Other times, he is utterly and painfully wrong.

[@aranisles8292]

Which is it this time?

[@melodyguest]

Now do a female version!!

[@CD-bn7el]

I cant wait for mission impossible miss strong men due to woke! Tom will not have that him n his team r a strong cast

[@fletchbundy]

But can Andrew answer the most important question of all... Do real men take baths??

[@SirBlackReeds]

Tate or Klavan?

[@sandy-pf9bb]

Think Robert Mitchum in "El Dorado." Yes. But no "man" bun!!!

[@fletchbundy]

@@SirBlackReeds Klavan.

[@fletchbundy]

@@sandy-pf9bb That's hilarious because that's one of the first things that comes to mind whenever I think about the question.

[@fletchbundy]

@@sandy-pf9bb I see Mitchum in that freaking barrell or whatever, legs hanging out while everyone comes into the office.

[@skeletorlikespotatoes7846]

Yeah no. The 1980s wasn't the start of it at all. Arnold is a terminator he's not representing man. If you took other examples in the 80s it would debunk that claim. Also does that mean comics didn't exist or werent influential to people in the 80s? Poor analysis

[@lindaf4930]

90s Comics were influenced by action movies, when macho anti-hero characters became popular, and DC made the character Lobo a parody of that.

[@GGGinJe]

Ah, the cover picture. Went from John Wayne, to Woke Boy Arnold Schwarzenegger, to Sissy Boy Murderer Alec Baldwin. The decline is monumental.

[@Lizardo451]

Disney use to make films that told us what men should be. Competent, strong, competitive, and fair. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_and_the_River_Pirates en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follow_Me,_Boys!