The execution of Lisa Montgomery - BBC News

Lisa Montgomery was the first woman to be executed by the federal government in America for nearly 70 years.
The 52-year-old strangled pregnant 23-year-old Bobbie Jo Stinnett, before cutting out and kidnapping her baby in Missouri in 2004. The child survived and was returned to Stinnett's family.
Her lawyers argued that she had been born brain-damaged and was too mentally ill to be executed. Family members say that as a child she was routinely sexually and physically abused by her father, and trafficked by her mother.
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[@paraprincess93]

Her bad childhood doesn't give her an excuse to kill another woman and take her baby.

[@honeybunch5765]

No but she is obviously out of her mind, she is not wired all well.

[@MovingOndaisy]

The research and study into why people commit heinous crimes. Thousands of 'Ordinary men and women" under the Nazi rule did the vilest and disgusting evil deeds.

[@Lisa-hn3hz]

Does not excuse killing someone. They wont be useing our tax dollars on her anymore.

[@thomascarroll9556]

@@Lisa-hn3hz well if it’s tax dollars your worried about, it’s cheaper to lock people up than execute them.

[@kathleenbarnes4224]

They could have sought help surely from childrens servises

[@thomson872]

How about a documentary on the victim's life? She's the one who deserves to be remembered.

[@emmysparkles1]

The most sensible comment on here.

[@kissmeifly]

I imagine that would be dreadfully boring and uninteresting to watch.

[@thorgrootsweetrabbit2244]

@@kissmeifly You might be surprised

[@kissmeifly]

@@thorgrootsweetrabbit2244 maybe, but in general murderers are interesting, murder victims aren't interesting apart from the fact that they got murdered.

[@KenyanBunnie]

@@kissmeifly Sounds very cold, but it’s true.

[@anitamwd]

We all understand that she had a miserable life, but this doesn’t give her the license to destroy other people’s lives.

[@terrykrall]

Screw her. She is not the victim.

[@tiff1277]

@@terrykrall she is A victim and A perpetrator

[@ms8165]

No one has the right to kill no one. Therefore death penalty is not the solution. There will be lots of other Lisas.

[@terrykrall]

@@ms8165 ... oh, brother...

[@ms8165]

@@terrykrall Sister.

[@blu3frogee599]

I hope the child she so cruelly stole is doing well and living a happy life.

[@JET7C0]

According to some articles written at the time of her execution, the brother of her father, Zeb, who brought her up after Bobbie Jo's murder (and I guess, technically her brief abduction) said she's doing well and Zeb was raising her well. He also said that she found closure in her execution in 2020, when I guess she would've been 15 or 16. I don't get why when adoption (and from birth) is an option, Lisa Montgomery ever chose to go the incredibly horrific route she did. I also just don't understand, in the first place, how you could possibly do that not just to another human being, but then to their child, while somehow deluding yourself that you can ever be its loving or caring mother after having done so. It's mind boggling, truly.

[@patrickc3419]

Thank God, it appears that is the case. Beautiful little girl.

[@kendrasinterlude]

@@JET7C0because Lisa wanted to prove to people that she could have kids still. She was forced to get her tubes tied by her ex-husband/stepbrother and her mother. She loved all the attention she had received while she was pregnant..

[@TimothyWorel-xj9he]

Sadly, she's grown up without her mum.

[@JessLBreen]

Tori Jo is happy and healthy with her dad! I watched a video earlier!

[@honeybunch5765]

All I can think of is the poor mamma that never got to know her daughter and the daughter that had to grow up without her mamma. I think of a husband deprived from a loving wife and parents who lost their daughter.

[@WkdWnch007]

She may not have been able to comprehend her own death but she had no difficulty comprehending how to perform a murder and C-section. Yeah, THAT'S logical.

[@cocokai9661]

And knew that she needed to come up with a bullshit lie to cover what she did. If she didn't understand what she did was wrong, why lie about it? why not walk into the hospital and proudly proclaim that she'd just cut a baby out of another woman? No, these people are pathetic in their deluded pity of this monster. The only ones who have lost touch with reality are the ones who buy the whole I didn't understand what I was doing defense.

[@nicholasshade]

MorganDawn I love your commenting. Keep up the good work. Keep commenting and replying.❤

[@jellybear35]

Right? She was a good actress I'll tell you that. Emmy award winning

[@maryfiaola3686]

exactly

[@robertstewart3756]

@@cocokai9661 I say if the deluted people want people to escape the death penalty why don't they pay for full keep of these monsters.. as tax payer I vote why did it take 16 years . Should've been no more then 3 years to settle all appeals etc. Cops and detectives who worked this case should be set as example of to other law enforcement agencies to how to get it done

[@DMG118]

Sick of seeing excuses made when it's a woman who's killed someone. No one seems to be thinking of the woman who was murdered!

[@TheKim369]

I think every one agrees the murder was horrible. However, it's been shown over and over that the threat of the death penalty does not reduce murder rates. Unless someone is hoping for death by cop, most murderers, most prisoners even, think they will get away with it. The penalty doesn't matter because they aren't planning to get caught. And, in fact, there is a 30 - 40% chance that a murderer will remain free, because so many go unsolved. All the death penalty does is affirm that killing is ok if you have a good enough reason and the power to do it, it does not lead to a more peaceful society.

[@TheKim369]

@@psw4763 Look, it would take 5 minutes of research to confirm what I said. I'm not making up the numbers, they're confirmed over and over, the unsolved murder rate, the murder rate in countries with capitol punishment, what do you disagree with?

[@DMG118]

@@TheKim369 I/m against the death penalty; that doesn't make the documentary/news piece's part on her any less invalid

[@TheKim369]

@@DMG118 Hooray! Thanks, and sorry for assuming otherwise.

[@kL-vs6wz]

@@TheKim369 no it gives peace to the family. My cousin was murdered in a horrific way. My aunt and uncle were mever the same after it. Once you go through that then you might understand the value of the death penalty. Murders will happen no matter what so what dows it matter if the death penalty makes killers think twice, its about closure and real justice for what the did to the victim and the family who has to live with that knowledge.

[@abocas]

She researched, planned and executed her deed. Not the action of a mentally impaired person. And not every abused child becomes a murderer!

[@comanchio1976]

I'm not in any way excusing her actions, and of course not every victim of abuse go on to be killers but there does seem to be some correlation between victims of abuse being more likely than the rest of the population to go on to inflict harm on others. Eg, 50℅ of serial killers have were themselves victims of psychological/emotional abuse, whereas for the general population, it's 2%. Like I said though, this isn't an excuse, but it at least could be part of an explanation as to why some people turn out this way...

[@markcoluzzi5754]

Not making an excuse and not trying to justify any of her actions. But just another perspective, I think researching and planning what she did does show some sort of mental illness. Think about it.... what person in their " right mind " would plan such a thing? Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not defending her in any way...I'm just trying to understand how such things can happen.

[@23Sinbio]

So social workers took the eight-year-old out of the house for parental neglect but not the four-year-old. That doesn't make sense.

[@rez0863]

Her ster sister was pulled out because she was hospitalized and they found that the kid has no custody. (They have the same father who abandoned them. They are staying with Lisa's mom) Her sister was taken out because of abandonment and not abuse.

[@jessicadigiglio]

Because it didn’t happen, they were never removed and they were never put into foster care

[@fearlessEm]

Sadly that happens all the time happened to my family back in the early 1990s they had more evidence on my older sister being abused so they took her out of the house she was 16 I was 5 years old they didn't have much evidence that I was being abused although I was being abused and was only five so I didn't tell them much so I was left unfortunately I was left until the age of 12 by then much abuse it happens and I have lifelong problems so yeah it's not uncommon for one sibling to get taken out of the home and the other to be left sick isn't it

[@asdAsd30380]

Hollywood always makes mistakes like that in videos. When you deduct all the major mistakes in a story, it leaves a person to think if anything actually happened at all!

[@debbieguitor1745]

I’m sure her victim couldn’t comprehend her own death either.

[@Ninikyu95]

Exactly my first thought at that statement. She can't comprehend her own death sentence but sure as hell understood how to preplan killing a woman and cutting her baby out.

[@andrewvida3829]

BINGO. I have to say that The BBC really sucks.

[@ChildOfTheFlower]

@@andrewvida3829 What do you expect from an institution who enabled Jimmy Saville for 30 years then killed the story that would have revealed to the world who he was because they thought it offensive due to it coming out a few weeks after he died.

[@robertdouglas7101]

this has nothing to do with Trump ? BBC don't belong here

[@michaelvasquez9677]

Don't make these two women equal. One is an innocent expectant mother the other one is an evil criminal.

[@kvandy851]

When the friend says the execution will be like watching a 5 yr old who can't understand adult situations...newsflash lady 5 yr olds aren't on the internet researching c-sections when planning a murder.

[@davymac92]

Exactly. Let alone have the competence to carry it out

[@PVBJR]

Nailed it.

[@Stephaniemariek.]

Yet 5 year olds still know that just bc they want a babydoll dont mean they can just steal it.

[@slava9734]

nailed it!!

[@rein7015]

@earth bound you missed the point she’s deserves to be alive so we can talk to her and learn from her. Everyone wants to kill her so we can stop talking about abuse.

[@ericsierra-franco7802]

I would rather remember the victim than the perpetrator of this most heinous and barbaric crime.

[@user-wickedflower]

You can do that nobody is trying to influence you to remember anything. A story about a normal nice woman would make an unremarkable video until her murder.

[@cindyalderman6332]

I reserve my pity for the victim, her daughter, and family.

[@janethansen2431]

Iag/ee

[@GTFBITK]

Same here Cindy.

[@preciousfefe940]

I felt bad for the victim, her daughter and the rest of her Family. Lisa Montgomery had no remorse for what she did. She completely destroyed a family

[@wandamaxwell4279]

I agree

[@cynthiathompson6231]

She was Evil just because bad things happened to her that don't give her the right to Murder. The thing she should have done when she became a teenager was to tell on her Mother and Stepfather those were the one's she should have went after. She took a life and now her life was taken I need to stop before I really say something's I shouldn't.

[@danime35]

So I have a question about the foster care system. One sister was raped and they removed her but left the other child in a dangerous environment? How was that even allowed? I'm trying to understand how that even sounded sensible to child services.

[@gavinturner5565]

They weren't going to pay for the sister and jail the parents before this was then put on Lisa as a child in this horror show. The horror show is that the Red Republican State of Missouri wasn't going to pay for medical Rehab for the experience Lisa endured!!!! See what happens when benefits run out????

[@dharmabum1230]

Lack of funding for social services. We don't prioritize mental health in the United States and when bad things happen due to that we murder the person. Or send them to jail for life. Or leave them on the streets to die.

[@0IIIIII]

Republican counties. This is why Democrats are right, and there needs to be more taxes for prevention, more for healthcare, and why life in the rural area is culturally destitute.

[@jackoff4052]

@@0IIIIII 1. Liberals and democrats prevent murderers and criminals from committing crime by state intervention. 2. Also liberals and democrats, people should be free to live their best life. free from state intervention.

[@toddmorningstar4206]

@InsaneCommieDemocrat Ze Zed Zer They are pro choice, that's the difference.

[@Abdurrahman-bf3ji]

Incapable of understanding her own death yet capable of learning how to carve out a fetus? I find it hard to reconcile the two

[@concretelightbulb7082]

What rational thinking person would have expected the fetus to survive?

[@Abdurrahman-bf3ji]

@@concretelightbulb7082 Well it would depend on how far along the pregnancy the mother was. Most fetuses survive after 26 weeks and Lisa Montgomery knew that the victim was approximately 32 weeks along. The fetus did, in fact, survive. She is now 16 years old and lives with her father.

[@bentaylor6995]

@@concretelightbulb7082 She did this with the aim of the fetus surviving as she could not have a child herself so tried to steal the woman she killed baby

[@concretelightbulb7082]

@@bentaylor6995 Yeah, I remember the case when it was first reported and my initial reaction was no different than that of everyone cheering on her execution. If she were in fact abused to the degree expressed in the past few month's then I'm honestly not comfortable with the idea that justice has been served. If those who knew her and knew what she went through as a child sat back for years and said nothing until the date of execution drew near, then they failed her. If however her abuse was fabricated and she was just rotten... It just doesn't seem like cutting a fetus out of the womb seems like a very sane thing to do. A rational thinking person would adopt, no?

[@bentaylor6995]

@@concretelightbulb7082 Well this was not a spur of the moment thing she did it was all planned out hours spent on google learning how to do this so she must have been thinking somewhat properly

[@PandaMonium92827]

Literally every time someone tries to argue against the death penalty, someone like THIS comes along to prove that in some cases, it's needed. I remember one of the detectives saying he could still see Bobby's blood in Lisa's fingernails when he was arresting her, and that sticks with me. She didn't even bother to wash the blood off her hands before she took the baby home.

[@patriciap8564]

"America has executed a woman who many believe was incapable of understanding her own death." Mkay...BUT.. she was more than capable of understanding Bobbie Jo's death, so capable in fact, that she meticulously planned, studied how to perform a cesarean section, brought all the necessary tools to perform it and did so well in fact that the baby survived. I think she was plenty capable of understanding what was happening to her and why.

[@hashiramasayan162]

underated comment.

[@NOCDIB]

Very well stated!

[@Doc-hp5wf]

@A L o i s i a 90 52 but a rule of law , it was think some kind of doctrine states that if a person knows of she / he did was wrong and was in right senses when doing it they are guilty

[@bellalegendre2644]

I absolutely agree! And if that's you in your profile pic you are very beautiful!

[@charlylucky7508]

And drove from a different state which was nowhere near where Bobby Jo lived. Miss me with "she didn't understand" crap. She planned it, and connived her way into knowing and meeting the victim.

[@mariaarellanos4689]

So she doesn’t have the understanding for what’s going to happened to her but she’s good enough to learn and prep on how to rip out another women’s baby 🤔

[@anni700]

Those are two completely different things

[@dead2802]

​@@anni700100% right! Ripping out a living child frm a consious living mother: Evil beyong comprehension! Cruelety that to be in proximity of lisa befouls one to the point of wallowing in eternal filth. The mindset of any rabid human contemplating this should be instant anhilation. Cant be rehabed. Dont Dare put in society. The Other Different situation. The mother: Horrible pain, prolonged agony, torture beyond comprehension. Knowing and staring up at some evil demonic entity thinking 'Why ME! WHAT/How did this denizen of hell get in here. Wait! I have to be IN HELL! Dear God. Where R U? Im dying! IM DYING! My baby is being Sacrificed! (Hopefully some compassionate entity has appeared. Taken the pain, the memory, and she is in eternal rest/paradise! YUP! 2 whole different situations alright!

[@mariella2884]

It’s honestly hard to get over anyone who would leave that woman to bleed out and be found by her mother. The amount of pain that radiates through this case is unbearable.

[@schao7555]

Its horrible what had happened to that pregnant women.

[@praxym9293]

Ikr.Lisa should have tried therapy

[@barbaraowen45]

@Sing Love so you are raped growing up which is horrible so that gives you the right to murder and cut out a baby. Unfornately girls are often raped but don’t grow up to commit such a horrible crime. Unforgivable. she did deserve death.

[@maestro2033]

My thoughts and prayers are with the victims family.

[@ginnyroy241]

Did Lisa's parents ever get into trouble for her abuse, and if her half sister was removed from the home for being abused why wasn't Lisa taken away

[@briandm33]

You know Jenny I don't even know. If you want to ask their family her husband's name is Kevin Montgomery. He lives in Melvern Kansas. You know it's hard for me to talk about Lisa after all these years because I lost my family to my step father who murdered my mom and 2 sisters at our house in Wagstaff Kansas on Halloween in 1984. You can't put pain into words you can only try to live the best way that you can with it. Lisa Montgomery was a good woman and a good friend. Bobbie Jo Stinnett didn't deserve to be treated like this and neither did Lisa because of her Brain injury.

[@justbystander770]

i was thinking the same thing. they must know that if one got abused then it’s a matter of days the other will follow. Was it a wrong decision or a lack of interest to look into it.

[@wendyschutze2818]

If it was even true.

[@twitchiewitch1]

@@briandm33 lisa was a good woman and good friend??? Idk how anyone could say that w a straight face. Didn't she befriend Bobby Joe with designs on stealing her unborn fetus, from her womb as she died on the floor with a garrote around her neck?! If THAT'S what is considered a "good woman & a good friend" then Hitler was a jew loving saint! The description is in COMPLETE opposition to her actions! Bobby Joe was a real good woman & friend who didn't deserve to have her life ripped away so violently for ANYONE else's selfish lies! She trusted Lisa, befriended Lisa, brought her into her home & was slaughtered for it. Yeah...Lisa's a REAL good woman! Or should I say...WAS!?

[@drnogueiras8783]

She was removed for neglect, not... oftentimes one child is targeted for very different treatment, so they may have thought Lisa was being treated fairly. I don’t really know, just speculating, but they did the same with me. My older brother was removed, I wasn’t. He wasn’t the one being abused.

[@MLeibs]

R.I.P. 🕊Bobbie Jo Stinnett 🕊

[@luvlysarah6602]

ALSO R.I.P Lisa Montgomery

[@blahblaahh3004]

@@luvlysarah6602 *good riddance sick and twisted killer. Not everyone will miss the fact that it is dead now, how dare you jump into a thread respecting Bobbie's memory with her sick and twisted killer's name. Worse than that, you expect everyone to respect that freak show. Absolutely not, start your own thread crying for the killer. We really don't care.

[@luvlysarah6602]

@@blahblaahh3004 I mean idrc abt Lisa but im just saying r.i.p Lisa but yes I do agree

[@preciousfefe940]

RIP Bobbie Jo Stinnett

[@merncat3384]

@@blahblaahh3004 you just told off a little kid. Keep in mind, the internet has ALL ages and intellectual levels.. go easy on people before freaking out like a loose cannon.

[@braxtaplock3337]

Please give me a break. She was lucid enough to look up how to do a sophisticated surgical procedure ONLINE (tell a 5yr old they used as an example in their description to do this) AND do a test run the night before. Justice served.

[@Steampoodle]

@@alexandreanjou8324 I am a woman who is in college and works, and I agree. This woman was incredibly evil and she knew exactly what she was doing. Also why are you bringing gender into this. People can have opinions from all walks of life, even if they are wrong, like you.

[@Steampoodle]

@@alexandreanjou8324 I don’t think an engineer has any more intelligence when it comes to murder than the next narcissistic loser, and also what does age have to do with anything? I’m 20 now and I had the same opinion on murderers when I was 12. They deserve to die the same way they killed.

[@InternallyInarticulate]

@@alexandreanjou8324 ….what is wrong with you?

[@InternallyInarticulate]

@@Steampoodle pop off queen! 👏🏻

[@winterweib]

@@alexandreanjou8324 I am a teacher. I have a university degree, and I never played a video game. Sh.ut up, you engineer.

[@yamama3390]

She was abused until she had brain damage and the folks in the comments says, she is no victim. No, she didn't have a right to kill or harm anyone, but she too is a victim. If you " true americans" don't change the way y"all view and treat victims of child abuse, these types of things will continue to happen

[@HaveSomeCompassionPlz]

The preparation this "5 year old" took to drive to a home, murder a pregnant woman, and remove her baby is more like something a heartless adult would/could do, not a 5 year old.

[@KimVerhaaff]

They ment she was a child at mind. A damaged child, that did an unexusible thing. But a person who doesn't grasp reality like a grown up does

[@janne5942]

​@@KimVerhaaff didn't her man at the time suspect anything weird?

[@berenlevia8486]

And who is protesting the way this woman killed the pregnant woman?

[@tonysopranoholdinganeedler1638]

are you?

[@berenlevia8486]

@@tonysopranoholdinganeedler1638 if I had been able to be there, I'm sure I would have been the only person in the crowd with a poster saying : WHAT ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO WAS MURDERED FOR HER BABY ? WHO PROTESTS FOR HER Does that make you feel better?

[@carmelgrace1939]

She tore that infant from that mother’s bleeding body. She knew exactly what she was doing irregardless of her awful upbringing. God have mercy on that poor mother.

[@charm8167]

A evil mind sorry, yes she was abused and bought up years after her jail term. But she did murder a pregnant mother and took the baby. Sick evil monster.

[@tonysopranoholdinganeedler1638]

@@berenlevia8486 Lisa Montgomery is dead so I don’t know what more we can do at this point

[@rainbowwriter672]

Her childhood was tragic but she had intelligence to use the internet, research a surgical procedure and obtain tools to perform a crude version of it...all because she selfishly wanted a baby and couldn’t get one by other means

[@lancetomimoto3478]

Exactly. These are tasks only an adult intelligence can accomplish.

[@praxym9293]

She could have adopted n be truthful

[@jilljansen2638]

Despite the bleeding-heart narrator and her story, justice WAS served! My sympathy is with the innocent victim and her unborn child. and their family.

[@mta4562]

if it was wrong for her to kill, it is wrong for the state to kill. you can't have it both ways, dimwit.

[@cottoncandykawaii2673]

@@frankmurray1549 there is nothing wrong with revenge

[@cottoncandykawaii2673]

@@frankmurray1549 bleeding hearts for sociopaths and the dysgenic is why the West is increasingly devolving to 2nd and 3nd world living standard

[@cottoncandykawaii2673]

@@frankmurray1549 " live in the west and I do not see any evidence of my home country becoming a 2nd or 3rd world country" you know what, I take that back, 2nd and 3rd world countries would actually kill pedos, rapists and murderers instead of stealing from tax payers to keep them in prisons s or, even worse, release them back into society "we are a civilised nation." what country is this you speak of?

[@pommiebears]

It’s the BBC. I’m English, and we don’t listen to the BBC much. We all know they’re so far left, they are biased towards anyone right of them.

[@randomvintagefilm273]

Can you imagine if every child that was abused turned into a killer? There wouldn't be many people left because a large percentage of children are abused in some way.

[@erinkinsella91]

Good thing that people don't all deal with things the same way, or get the same help

[@DiscountDivorcePhotography]

@@erinkinsella91 The point is being abused is not an excuse for murdering a woman and cutting her baby out...the bias in this little documentary is hilarious...the vast majority of Americans support monsters like this being put down...I just wish it was more efficient

[@carolcalkins6394]

There would be millions of us on death row today if childhood abuse made us all kill and abuse others. Liberal bleeding hearts are a lawless bunch. What about the victim?

[@SFVnative]

It seems that most people hated their children in the old days so I wonder if there were more murderers and other criminals back then.

[@RedOKsunflower]

It affects everyone differently and that's what place need to remember!

[@trinisun]

This is a horror story, every aspect of it. Beginning to end.

[@ms.mustlovecats1556]

@trinisum NEWS FLASH: This documentary was certainly NOT a horror story. 😒😒😒😒😒 Call it what it really is . . . . . . . . . a story based on actual events ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! But a " horror story ", far from it.

[@cajagress6806]

I was getting sober in late 2004 when this story hit Time magazine. In my throws of withdraw and aching pains I read the article. It gave me nitemares and horrifying visions. It also sent a message to my brain that there is always someone out there that has it a lot worse that didn't deserve it. Bobbi wasn't an addict. Bobbi didn't steal. Bobbi didn't cheat or lie. She was an innocent victim. I was not. I brought on my own demons and pain. I deserved death if anyone ever did. Here I am in 2021. 16 years sober. Her story gave me so much strength to fight to survive and get my shit together. I owe a lot of my life to Bobbi Joe's story.

[@dianedoncheski2302]

Great story Caja! Thank you!

[@denisedavidson7521]

Congratulations to you! One day at a time!

[@love_wins_2218]

I am so glad that you turned your life around. Good luck for continued sobriety! ❤❤🙏🙏

[@Bribosome]

sounds like you're concocting a defense.

[@cajagress6806]

@@Bribosome uhmmmm........

[@patrickc3419]

It is very disturbing that there are people who oppose the death penalty even in cases such as this. Thank God her baby survived.

[@sugarhiccup2584]

Umm its peoples opinions if you have a problem its your problem

[@BeverlyM52]

“Horrifying” was when she cut open a still-alive and FEELING young mother.

[@Aaerox90]

They even totally glossed over that fact, just stating Lisa strangled her and then proceeded to cut her stomach.

[@2dronetek2]

So if she didn't know what was going on during the execution then she didn't suffer, and that's a whole lot better than what Bobbie Jo went through.

[@theresaselman404]

No excuse for her killing a woman and taking her baby! I can’t imagine the torture Bobby went through as Lisa was cutting her stomach open. Unimaginable! After I wrote this I read where Lisa killed Bobby first then did a C section on her.. horrible beyond words..

[@preciousfefe940]

Did you see the video with people who witnessed her execution. It's on KZbin somewhere

[@AllHailKingRose]

She was still alive. She suffered fought back n knew what was happening the entire time. The horror she endured is unimaginable. The little girls birthday is her mother’s murder anniversary n has to try n celebrate n mourn on the same day forever.

[@nuclearwessels2078]

@@AllHailKingRose I never thought of that. It is so awful.

[@gaildonaldson6966]

This story has always disturbed me deeply. How can anyone commit such a heinous act of selfishness & cruelty. I've cried for poor Bobby Jo & her child & her entire family. May her child thrive in life

[@kat6038]

some parents dont deserve their children

[@pseudorealityisreal]

Some people just are incapable of being parents.

[@staszekdupka5137]

It seems to me that the problem is much deeper than it is shown to us. The State has a monopoly on violence. And if someone destroys this monopoly, even a mentally ill person, then the State will be ruthlessly prosecuting that person.

[@coolandgood1010]

Can you elaborate? I've seen this statement copy pasted everywhere.

[@Mktgaming2023]

@@pseudorealityisreal FACTS.

[@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1]

@@pseudorealityisreal Some people should be restricted from becoming parents, for the sake of protecting themselves, and most importantly, society.

[@LittleBlueOwl318]

She certainly was quite capable of understanding and carrying out Bobbie Jo's death. Just sayin'. NO SYMPATHY! She was pure evil.

[@levondelite4072]

I doubt anyone comes in to this world as “pure evil”. That is a simple explanation of a complicated and tragic story made by ignorant people who are not able to hold 2 opposing thoughts in their minds at one time. Would it be too difficult to acknowledge that perhaps Lisa Montgomery was so badly damaged by the horrendous abuse she apparently suffered from the 2 people who were supposed to love and protect her, that she too grew up to perform a heinous and horrific act on another human being? It makes sense to me. Monkey see, monkey do. Do you honestly think that Lisa Montgomery had any chance whatsoever to be normal? Or to live a normal life? Hell no! But that doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have to take responsibility for what she did and be sentenced for it. It simply means we can have compassion and understanding for a person and the shitty life they had, and be repulsed and horrified by what they did.

[@phreakisop9810]

@@levondelite4072 alot of people are abused and do not do horrible things. i don't really understand the monkey see monkey do logic.

[@katbar6066]

@@phreakisop9810 Me neither.

[@healingandgrowth-infp4677]

@@levondelite4072 well said Someone with a heart soul and a brain 🌷💓🌷💓

[@healingandgrowth-infp4677]

@@phreakisop9810 agreed but everyone is different n

[@deedavis8962]

Most people I have come in contact with who has been abused are actually some of the most kindest and protective people!

[@healingandgrowth-infp4677]

My sisters and brothers have been abused as well as me and they weren't. My brother for example is a violent controlling narcissist

[@deedavis8962]

@@healingandgrowth-infp4677 Im so sorry that you had to go through that and unfortunately abused person can either be the most protective kindhearted person especially too vulnerable people or they unfortunately become an abuser as well and its sad because I really wish people would choose to break the cycle and have inner peace but sometimes they can't get away from the pain of the past, blessings to you sweetheart and even your brother I pray for all of you to have a peacefulness that surpasses all understanding🙏🏼😇😘💕its not neither one of your fault that this happened.

[@suadosman7542]

@@healingandgrowth-infp4677 sorry that you have suffered under the person you are very close to

[@praxym9293]

Exactly. We want better 4 others so they don't suffer like us.People survived the Holocaust n Rwanda genocidal wars but haven't killed anyone.They v forgiven n teach love.

[@ericagooden2711]

until they are off their meds.

[@shyamthapa1278]

Whatever may have been her past... What she did to that young woman is absolutely horrific...

[@portiasemwayo4220]

Lisa she's evil period her miserable childhood doesn't give her the right to slaughter smone we all have broken childhood but life goes on she was supposed to go to rehab

[@IwasBlueb4]

true

[@adelaidemarie]

No it doesn’t give Her the right, it gives society insight as to what Creates.

[@adelaidemarie]

I agree, her past gives her no Right to kill someone............what gives US the right?

[@adelaidemarie]

What is the success rates of our rehabs? Does anyone know? I could take a guess, I’ve met so many. People have been Trying to satisfy needs for revenge and that need is bottomless. We kill our killers and we get Thrice as many. So we kill more and more till one day we wake up and our children are killing masses. MAYBE we should put our focus on something a bit more pure than revenge, maybe we Aught to Look at the creator

[@SamA-ji3kz]

Exactly

[@curtisphillips1395]

If a man had committed this exact same crime, almost nobody in this comment section would be making excuses about them having a tough childhood

[@annethomer9569]

So true

[@FlyAmeliaEarheart]

Absolutely true every single time.

[@Lukas-50]

thats just BS

[@KZ-gi7ey]

You obviously haven’t met the Rodney Reed & Pervis Payne supporters. Reed despite being a psychopath monster has Dr Phil & Oprah doing nothing but making excuses for him.

[@apriliashinta]

this has nothing to do with her being a woman. i mean, look at how many people empathize with literal serial killers like ted bundy and jeffrey dahmer. people are just sick in the head and obsessed with criminals. it has been like that for awhile. look at how many netflix documentaries that humanize killers and not even mentioning anything about the lives of the victims.

[@cindyweir9645]

Being abused you would think she would have empathy for people. Instead she chose to be a monster, her choice. She did the most horrific thing you can imagine. My sympathy is for Bobby Jo and her family.

[@mollybrolly4717]

EXACTLY...She had to go!!!...

[@radhasen.animalwelfare.5644]

So many children have been beaten, raped, tortured.. They didnt grow up to inflict atrocities and pain on others.. This was a planned, premeditated heinous murder in the hands of an extremely emotionally & physically violent woman. This killer deserves to be put to death. Her frame of mind towards the end is of no consequence. Her brutal actions were.. Kill those who kill.

[@panbonifacy]

That's not always the case, unfortunately. People who have been abused so extremely and practically from the very beginning, often have their own perception of empathy and morality which can be completely distorted. That's what makes abuse based severe mental health issues like this so dangerous, to the ill and to the society, especially not treated.

[@mollybrolly4717]

@Sing Love awww.... Thanks!!!... Now YOU KNOW!!!... BLESSED BE 🤣🤣🤣

[@janne5942]

​@@panbonifacy yes, some cases they would "revenge" on someone else, they justify their behavior with what they have gone through themselfs

[@roaddoggypsy9142]

Every child deserves parents, not every parent deserves children.

[@DreamsAreLies]

It seems an injustice to her victim and their family to tell this story with so much emphasis on Lisa’s past and abuse. It has NO baring on what she did aside from how she viewed the world and what little she thought of others. Plenty of us have been a victim and have grown to help and support others in the same boat. There is NO excuse for hurting or harming others, period.

[@MichaelB769]

Had no bearing? It’s literally the reason it happened. She was no longer sane. smh

[@melisentiapheiffer3034]

Exactly!

[@melisentiapheiffer3034]

Being raped or sexually abused doesn't make you an evil or amoral person. These are just excuses.

[@beckykent6674]

Really??? You think all the torture she went through didn't make her a monster?

[@kymmacdonald685]

So, all the torture she went through gave her the right to plan and carry out her plan ? Destroyed a whole family and friends. Left a child without a mother ? She planned it !!!! There have been people who have been tortured and abused and they don’t go around doing evil things. Look at the holocaust survivors ? They went through a lot more than this woman. Did they all turn into monsters ??? NO!!!! Put yourselves in the victims family and friends side. See if you would be saying the same thing .

[@sooz9433]

I live in Missouri and my recollection of this story is clear. She planned, she executed, she fled. She knew she had to educate herself, she knew she had to flee because she would be in trouble..how much more responsible and deliberate do you get? But because she is about to reap what she has sown, her defense is she didn't know what she was doing was somehow wrong. I also love how her family supposedly steps up to confirm she was sexually and physically abused as a child... if they all knew and did nothing they should be held accountable for allowing it to continue. I cannot judge her heart but I can say even children know there are consequences for your actions.

[@kreativemom387]

I had a screwed up childhood ,never thought about committing such evil acts I prayed and ask the lord too give me strength

[@julienguyen9951]

As a victim myself, I know the pain, anger, depression, and feeling of loss of the victims (if they still survive) and their families. Evil criminals should be punished.

[@abhilashpaul9237]

My Condolences to Bobbie jo stinnett's family. Hope the child grew up to be like her mother. Rest in peace Bobbie jo stinnett.

[@kathyrizzi8754]

I’m a Democrat and I’m for the death penalty, only if there is physical evidence. I wouldn’t want an innocent person executed. This case is definitely warranted for execution.

[@TheRabidWolverine]

Thank you! I'm exactly the same way on this.

[@paulanderson9407]

Like Dustin Honken from Mason City, Iowa who killed 5 people back in 1993.He killed 2 little girls their mother, and 2 drug informants who were going to testify against him.

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

The death penalty is revenge, not justice. You don't want a society based on revenge.

[@calkayfield]

I agree but what about the people who have been framed, sadly it does happen & so many people are excuted even when there is no physical evidence, i think they should give criminals lie detector tests & a shot of the truth drug then torture & fry thďe f***ers 😨 👍💯% Nobody that hurts our innocent children deserve to breath the same air as us...........

[@bigships]

Same

[@JKLoans]

Some crimes are simply irredeemable; and, we are fooling ourselves if we think otherwise.

[@candivarela3702]

The devil made Scott Peterson do the same act to his wife. Laci Rocha

[@berenlevia8486]

@@candivarela3702 the devil doesnt make anyone do anything , he can only put the package of temptation at your front door, he cant make you sign for it .

[@berenlevia8486]

@Fyndhorn Whisperer it does work , no repeat offender . The only problem with the death penalty is it is not carried out swiftly, and in public.

[@berenlevia8486]

@Fyndhorn Whisperer you explained your opinion and it was noted.

[@JuliannaClementi]

Lisa Montgomery did have a terrifying, sickening and continuously tormented life.

[@gtingaming716]

This story seems so complex. I personally have a friend who suffered horrendous abuse as a child, suffered similar atrocities as this woman did, yet he has gone on to be an upstanding member of society, he cares for people, protects people, and makes sure his abusers don't win, by allowing himself not to fall off the rails. So easily he could have, and excuses could have been made from his childhood experiences, but he didn't. He did the opposite. An example that abuse that may have happened in the past, doesn't define you as the person you are now.

[@Kiwi09876]

@tina subbs Thank you

[@pinkgal206]

That’s him... stupid

[@janina8559]

With all the damage Lisa suffered there is no cure. So hopefully her execution gives her peace. But most of all I hope it gives the family of her victims peace! The child was a victim too.

[@CSgtDad]

You can’t use sexual abuse as a get out jail free card. As an adult you have to find another way to,for lack of a better word,excise your demons. Besides how does a bad childhood have anything to do with cutting open a woman’s womb and remove her child? I’m sorry she suffered but there is no rationalizing this crime. I don’t always agree with the death penalty but this time execution was spot on. Be a grownup and bare your burden like a grownup

[@julosx]

Lisa Montgomery was obviously unable to act as a grownup.

[@janellegarcia-grimsley3203]

Take a good look of catholics

[@janellegarcia-grimsley3203]

Lots of evil lurks everywhere those foster people shoot the Catholics take a

[@janellegarcia-grimsley3203]

The truth of the matter is this women was angry so let's do some blame on the victim like fight for your life and your unborn child's life fight fight with everything and don't give in to anything everything is possible I Kno all about victims n the blame but this is real and lots

[@johnnyd8717]

The woman she murdered was incapable of understanding her own death too! Another lady pretending to want to buy a dog assaults her and kills her to cut her unborn baby out of her and raise it as her own. Who could understand their own death under those conditions? My sympathy is for the murdered mother of the baby

[@philj3167]

I think this highlights a darker, primal part of humans that is, quite frankly; disturbing

[@tyrannosaurusflex3698]

You ain't seen the half of it. What we're capable of doing is just as frightening as it is inspiring. I've seen some absolutely horrific things on the internet and even I know that there are things out there that i haven't seen that would no doubt give me PTSD. We are capable of so much evil. You wouldn't believe that a human could be so evil and it's disbelief as to how people could be so evil. For some people it is just so so easy.

[@KindCountsDeb3773]

@@tyrannosaurusflex3698 I think people, especially from a young, impressionable age, can be made into monsters. Some may suffer and only affect themselves. A child's mind is very malleable, very easily molded or affected by monsters, and when it's their parents, the damage is worse. I am sorry for the victim and her family,. Their pain is from people who were good parents. Humans are more fragile than we even know.

[@sudarshan3965]

I think it's the fear of law that hides our animalistic nature

[@advancelast1740]

Why are you so shocked...just take a look at the numerous polgroms , genocide et-al over the ages. Man is vile

[@KindCountsDeb3773]

@@sudarshan3965 I think it's our societal rules and how were raised. The larger society approves or doesn't on a lot of behaviors and they are considered "normal" beliefs. Some are changed and modified as society learns and is enlightened, goes forward in time. Then the society has enforcement added.

[@sologatchi4949]

Lisa's parents didn't murdered anyone , but they took 3 lives

[@j_9307]

The murder was 100% Lisa’s fault. Her parents certainly damaged her but Lisa was the one who planned and took the decision to kill the mother and kidnap the baby

[@dafalzonAUS]

It’s all in the genes, her mother having no remorse either

[@emems6620]

@@dafalzonAUS criminality has nothing to do in the genes, diseases yes, but cruelty is one of the faces of humanity and unfortunately it cannot be summed up in "genes". Her mother was horrible, all the man who raped her damaged her, and yes she chose to plan the murder and kidnap BUT again, its not in the genes, its about out dleicate brains which we still dont know everything about and traumas change us

[@tt4days346]

@Cameron Branford everyone is affected differently given what happened to her insanity wouldnt be an unreasonable outcome

[@glamdolly30]

Excellent, intelligent post. Hurt people, hurt people. And Lisa's evil mother and every man she brought into her life and allowed to abuse her, created a hurt and broken adult. How about instead of killing criminals, the wealthy USA tries investing money in prevention? Like making sure children are removed from abusive homes, and given the loving care they need in their formative years? An ounce of prevention is worth more than a ton of cure! There's no doubt Lisa was a very damaged adult, to have been capable of such an horrific crime. And motive is all - she killed a pregnant woman, to steal her baby. It was as crazy as it was barbaric, for she would never get away with raising that child as her own. How can anyone say she was of sound mind?

[@steven95N]

You guys really trying to force sympathy for someone who murdered someone and then cut their baby out? That's fuckin wild lol

[@eloiseh-c1244]

The most heartbreaking thing about this is now the baby is grown up and her birthday occurs on the anniversary of her mothers death💔

[@badbrig]

The amount of meticulous planning that went into this horrific crime.... I'm so sorry that Lisa went through such a traumatic childhood - so have I, but I haven't killed anyone over it. And don't intend to.

[@Catsss1017]

She was returned to her father and I hope she’s living a good life

[@imgonewiththewindfab]

I feel sorry for her childhood .. BUTTTTT!!!! My god!! If that was a man who sliced out a pregnant woman's belly and stole her baby .. you won't even make a documentary on how he was raised or how he has suffered in his childhood .. straight up if it was a man instantly he's a cold blooded evil serial killer slaughtering criminal.. no compassion at all.

[@Numberofthings]

Very true

[@creepykillerclown2419]

BBC is sick for putting this on.

[@eatcarpet]

How is that even relevant, Whataboutism?

[@zeuxlaught2797]

nope you are completely wrong, many defendant use that excuse on male criminals also , and they do get lesser sentence by that, which is sickening considering how they decided it was right to execute this mentally unstable person.

[@zeuxlaught2797]

@@eatcarpet its just their hypocrisy they show by telling "imagine if this was a man...blah blah blah" or any such delusional "imagine if" excuses to justify their prejudice on women.

[@gillianstapleton8566]

Why did child support service remove one daughter for neglect and leave Lisa there unwatched for years to suffer so much heinous abuse. Why weren’t both them taken away. It’s a pity the sister who was taken away didn’t have the strength to speak out and get her sister out of the home too. However I understand it takes years for children to speak out about sexual abuse. Probably why Lisa herself didn’t bring it up at the trial. It was probably at therapist working with her on death row that delved into her childhood trauma. I feel she was let down by her parents, the state and the justice system putting her to death. She needed psychiatric help and confinement. It hard to rehabilitate a person from such childhood trauma that becomes abusive in adult life as their way of coping. Husbands that end up murdering their pregnant wives etc don’t see too many of them sitting on death row they seem to get diminished responsibility or crime of passion. It’s hard to understand why Lisa did what she did it seems so bizarre to even try comprehend. We need to understand more that what children experience as a young child has huge implications in adult life. It’s a really sad story that highlights many failures in the system.

[@gillianstapleton8566]

@Bailey Gibbons it’s actually heartbreaking this story as yours and many others. I didn’t thankfully have it as a child but as an adult twice with a boyfriend and in a terribly toxic marriage. They guy I married was adopted at 3 from a Notorious orphanage run by nuns, and then later over indulged by adoptive parents that neglected his anger issues I didn’t see until we were married. So my story a bit different but since overcoming the abuse I can now recognize the damage it does later in life and how hard it is for victims to speak out. I too never said anything about the boyfriend who raped me we were together 7 years from 14-19 on and off for 2 yrs before it happened. I was still a virgin had had a bike accident on crutches in a cast. It was the last time I ever saw him and I blamed myself a lot even though it was more a broken trust and I had said no more than once. It took a long time to trust anyone and then it was falling for the too good to be true. Now I see why I was so naive and vulnerable later on I can understand it all a bit better. It’s definitely made me more compassionate to people that either end up in abusive situations or end up in crime. There needs to be better understanding of how much the treatment you receive or don’t receive as a child effects you later in life. I think it should be a subject in school on what’s a toxic relationship and how to recognize it, plus how it isn’t your fault!

[@amirramezani9135]

This is exactly BBC duty to answer your question

[@sharonlangford4489]

She was let down by everyone this what saddens me what predators do to children the children never have treatment in latter life Her mother and stepfather should Of protect there children this is horrific that any sould go throw Sexual abuse and neglect horrific behaviours ❤

[@carmenross1077]

I do understand the abuse she suffered, however what got to me is the fact that she planned and study how to do Caesarean section to the victim, to take out the child from her, do you know what a painful procedure that is ,that’s why it’s done in hospital with general anesthesia. This perpetrator did it so raw, the abuse she suffered is much less as what she did to this victim.that is bloody raw, tremendously evil. There’s a lot of abuse people out there, but don’t do a crime like this to cut open a woman and take out their baby from their womb. That’s the real crime heavy one, that is why she got the death penalty. Just to imagine a raw C-S is beyond anybody’s comprehension.

[@jdc4316]

You think a bullet to the skull is equivalent to DISSECTING an alive person while they’re conscious?? Do you know how much pain that inflicts upon a person? The victims deserve justice. If this was a man you’d definitely encourage his execution. Be honest at least.

[@vincent-jeremiahgoodyear7003]

Lisa had a horrible childhood but she has to pay her depth to society. Thanks to her execution and arrest, Bobby Jo’s death wasn’t in complete vain. It protected us as a society from Lisa and set an example, that this is unacceptable and we protect our pregnant women and baby’s at all costs.

[@l.pmoonstone5067]

This is BEYOND heartbreaking and disturbing. RIP BOBBIE JO 🙏😢🥀

[@melgraves2823]

I'm so sick of this shit. Whatever happened to her back when she was a kid has absolutely nothing to do with her pre meditating this murder she did.

[@rednecknation8303]

We all have choices, she made hers and had to pay for it.

[@kiskaloo6843]

You can make all the excuses you want, she murdered a pregnant woman and stole the baby, it was pre meditated and brutal. Listen to the 911 call from Bobbi Jo's mother, she will never get over finding her daughter the way she did. All you people who have shown sympathy for Lisa Montgomery have shown no sympathy for Bobbi Jo's mother, her daughter or friends and family. There is no hard proof of Lisa Montgomery's allegations and I cannot believe that not one single man who was offered her by her step father, as she alleges was appalled enough to report the parents to the police. And, yes, she is a monster.

[@divineappointments7797]

This documentary is highly misleading. In multiple facets. No U.S. president "oversees" executions. MOST abuse/trafficking survivors struggle with addiction and self hate but DON'T KILL OTHERS. Capital punishment is not a "Republican" or "Democrat" issue and opinions vastly vary on both sides. Now tell the story of a woman ripped open and slaughtered as well as the lifelong trauma inflicted to that child...

[@lucretciaseven4873]

I find it pretty gratuitous dragging politics into this and the town being Republican played no part in this woman's savage murder of the mother. A five year old child without awareness of her situation wouldn't and couldn't have gone online and learned how to brutally cut a baby out of its mothers womb with enough preecision for the child to have survived it, whio are these people trying to kid?

[@Bribosome]

well said!!!

[@gastonjatta5810]

the story is sad and touching, what lisa did is pure diabolic, what happened to her as a child doesn't justify her act, her mother and stepfather shouldn't be exempt from capital punishment either. its so hard to process the story. RIP BON JO

[@patriciasoebagio1035]

all of those abusers, & those in the "child care services" & everyone who did nothing about it, were complicit in the tragedy resulting from their unconscionable dereliction of duty & neglect.

[@timwoytula5416]

You are absolutely correct

[@anyatranter3984]

Absolutely.and republican so called Christian's should try to at least see that.they believe in an eye for an eye period .that is Jewish it's not Christian.

[@jzk3919]

Those "services"...create opposite results of the advertised ones. If Germany had such "services" in the late 1700-s...Ludwig van Beethoven would not have been even born but aborted.

[@pommiebears]

Yeah…I live with epilepsy because my grandmother beat me senseless. I have never harmed a soul. No excuse for this. None. My sympathy is for the victim and her daughter, and the family left behind.

[@ViOhsa]

OMG…what 👺granma 😢‼️

[@svlagonda7417]

That's so sad. The mother and stepfather were pure evil and seriously damaged the daughter through the all the abuse and neglect.

[@jumpy7163]

Stop having sympathy for a monstrous woman.

[@moniho6907]

Stop blaming parents for a grown adult woman who made her own decision

[@Sandipan_Naskar]

Evil parent made a monster of their own

[@Louis-vk1gx]

@@jumpy7163 why don't you put yourself in her shoes and try to understand how much desperate, depressed and struggle she's been through? don't forget the evil isn't born, it is made.

[@Louis-vk1gx]

the problem is the parents they should all be executed to death

[@RembrandtRasmus]

And as always, the real monsters don’t suffer in the story. It’s always about their pawns. This makes me so angry...

[@chere100]

I'd like you to tell me how you qualify a monster, cause Lisa definitely fits my definition.

[@RembrandtRasmus]

@@chere100 that’s true, but who really made her this way? It depends on the parents how children actually turn out to be as a human being. In this case, there’s no difference. Lisa was a Monster, but also the victim.

[@chere100]

@@RembrandtRasmus I don't know if Lisa was made, or if it was inevitable, but I do know that some people are born wrong and don't need help from others to grow into a monster. My grandmother is one of them. But sure, if what happened in her childhood is true, she was also a victim at one point.

[@zeuxlaught2797]

@@chere100 but what about the parents? why only call her the monster? why are you showing sympathy for pedophile parents by saying she became monster herself? you make no sense

[@zeuxlaught2797]

@@RembrandtRasmus ikr , thats the awefull part. they are roaming free without any consequences, how sickening.

[@eileenlocke7877]

Yes Lisa had bad life she should of got therapy it’s sad but nothing gives u the right to go kill some one nothing

[@adelaidemarie]

No one has the Right to kill anyone, not even governments

[@triedntru8049]

Yes she should *have*😉 got therapy, as we All could use therapy! But nothing that she ever experienced in her past permits any exemptions for her crimes! She is exactly where she needs to be!

[@angelfirelite]

What gets me.... is why did she choose to kill and rip a baby out of a womans belly, she could have done it any other way, like maybe kill a man or become an alcoholic or druggy, but why, especially kill and take a baby like that?!

[@lyngonzales8902]

Many prayers to the victims family. May you find some kind of peace,justice and closer.

[@soniamarthamenezes6674]

How come she didn’t understand what was going on, what she did to be sentenced to dead? She planned the murder in all details and has committed it in cold blood!

[@public.public]

Only a mentally ill person would do such a thing. Killing the mentally ill is not a good idea.

[@Umbooms]

@@public.public she studied how to do a C-section, brought a clamp and she successfully took the living child from the dead mother. This wasn’t a fit of rage from a mentally ill. This was pre-thought.

[@danarosesturgeon]

Anyone who sticks up for this woman it is a complete total moron

[@Cultwatch123]

BB I have more sympathy for Jodi arias

[@Johnboy33545]

@@public.public: That's just not true. Sane rational people commit murder all the time. Murder isn't a mental illness but a crime. If the person closest to you is robbed and left to bleed to death what do you think think should happen to the perp?

[@Adam-bp7wb]

I like how people always find excuses when women commits a heinous crime. But when it's a man, they don't show as much sympathy to his childhood trauma. That's a double standard I am unable to ignore.

[@Username-gu3un]

I think it's Lisa's stepfather, mother and all those men who raped her should be put into death penalty. They have destroyed her life and subsequently took another innocent woman's life.

[@apocalypsenow1871]

@@Username-gu3un what about the men that were raped and abused when they were younger? The OP is spot on, it's a double standard. No thought is given to the trauma suffered by men when they were young and the reasons why they commit heinous crimes.

[@margarethancock4401]

Exactly

[@doncharliebrown2771]

That's female privilege.

[@cinthiafraser4533]

I don't understand how a mother(or someone that gives birth to a child) could ever treat their child like that. She was no mother!

[@debbiewhitman1305]

Lisa was abused badly as a child: but why would she inflict such horror on another person? This is what I don't understand..

[@senerose2908]

She wasn’t evil *or* broken, she was evil *and* broken. Both things can be true and usually are. Most abused people grow up content to harm themselves, some grow up to harm others- also both things that are true at the same time. One can feel for the victim and understand the perpetrator never stood a chance. I don’t know why people struggle with these things.

[@GabriellahItaly]

No she was just pure evil. Her mugshot says it all. I don't know if I agree that "most abused people grow up to harm themselves". I need to look up the statistics on that. But the whole "hurt people hurt people" attitude is heavily overused and a cop out at times.

[@smurfiennes]

She wasn’t as mad as they said she was. She meticulously had planned the murder and disguised herself as a dog buyer. Crazy people don’t plan! They act instinctively.

[@jmemixx]

Pure evil

[@bencao3524]

Judge and you shall be judged. Forgive and you shall be forgiven. Let the sinless cast the first stone. May God have Mercy on us all 🙏

[@hashiramasayan162]

God is also the punisher so He's definitely punishing Lisa now.

[@priy8380]

Bad things happened to her but I can’t pity her because of what she did to bobby jo.

[@paya_y_yubi]

I was in prison with Lisa, but she was in Max security. Many girls from my unit would work in max as suicide watch and in my 3 yrs in there never did she ever go crazy, had a melt dwn, had an anxiety attack. Nothing in FMC Carswell correctional facility is the only Medical federal prison, by that i mean they have unit for mentally crazy inmates, they evaluated every inmate, if she says all this close to her time of death then to me she just wanted to escape death. That proves she was not mentally abused like she says. I do believe she got wat she deserved. She did her crime to please and keep a man.

[@carolcalkins6394]

I was 14 when my mother sent me into her boyfriend to service him. After that, any time she was mad at me she sent me into him. Sex was punishment for 2 1/2 years. I know the helplessness and shame of being raped at such a young age and the betrayal of my mother will haunt me until my dieing day. But, I would never have done that to any child in my life time. Being abused is no excuse to abuse others. She planned the demise of that poor woman and stole her baby in the most horrific way. Bleeding heart liberals only want to protect the criminals. There needs to be laws to protect and repay the victim, in this case, the baby that survived should get reparations from the criminals family. The death penalty is appropriate for such grotesque debased and savage murder. I just want to scream at people protesting against the execution of these savages. What about the victim?

[@jerriedees2855]

Thank you.

[@sourandbitter3062]

I would have needed a video interview of Lisa to better comprehend who she was.

[@chere100]

Would we, though? Some people are really good at gathering good will and sympathy. Even when they're the scum of the Earth.

[@Slavic_Socialist]

@@chere100 True that. Idk if it would’ve helped, or maybe a clip from her past would be better

[@tag206]

@@Slavic_Socialist an interview from when the crime happened. Before she started saying she was an abuse survivor. Before she tried to plea to everyones humanity.

[@Slavic_Socialist]

@@tag206 Yeah. Like I’m not sure why she didn’t get help or get emancipated. I would’ve went to the police in her shoes. Like she didn’t have a diagnosed mental condition correct? Can’t blame a premeditated murder on abuse. As someone who grew up with an abusive father, I’m quite the opposite I’m trying to be as good of a person as I can. I know it’s not the same as rape but it’s still childhood trauma.

[@aznmochibunny]

@@Slavic_Socialist Lisa has an older stepsister that was removed from the home by CPS after she went to her teachers about the rape and abuse. She was confused as to why she was removed, but not Lisa. She's doing fine today. Can't say the same for Lisa.

[@k8h991]

I wonder what bobbie’s baby will think about this someday

[@RadSco]

I hope she never finds out. I sincerely hope she spends her life believing her mother just had some heart attack or something.

[@bridittebargeot2679]

@@RadSco if she never roams the internet, maybe... 🙄

[@davidm3maniac201]

@@RadSco she knows. She is on Facebook

[@Drea_A]

Since she's 16 now, I'm sure she's asked what happened to her mom. I just hope she didn't google it

[@raytavares2256]

Her sister went through the same ordeal but never killed anyone many people have gone through this same ordeal but have never murdered anyone including my mum. My mum was not only molested and raped and tortured but as her private part tampered with ( child mutilation is callous and heinous crimes but all the criminals who committed these crimes are still alive and mum is the most caring loving person ever in our lives and she can't even harm a fly or cockroach. She prays for us and has helped a lot of traumatised children both in Angola duringlare sabvimbi bcoz he killed and raped many children with his soldiers exactly like what ISIS did in Syria, mum also helped traumatised children in Malawi, Namibia even in South Africa rhema bible school.

[@BlessedToBeSaved333]

Very hard to read this wall of text with no punctuation.

[@narellegoddard7672]

Your mum is an Angel. Im so sorry what she has been through. Im sure she has helped many people. God bless her. You are lucky to have her.

[@stevencross8877]

Abuse growing up isn't an excuse for doing this to someone as an adult Not everyone who has that sort of childhood grows up to be a murderer

[@zeuxlaught2797]

its not an excuse mr sherlock, its the reason. imagine getting abused by own parents to be raised as mentally unstable person only to be executed... most awefull fate anyone could imagine . this is the result of ignorant society which couldn't give her help any sooner.

[@gillianstapleton8566]

Quite a large percentage of the end abusers or else the victim in an abusive relationships themselves. It may not be an excuse for what she did no more than abuse as a child should make up grow up to abuse in intimate relationships. It’s hard to rehabilitate an abuser. I don’t believe in the death penalty life I think it’s almost a easy way out in many cases. I think with Lisa she needed psychiatric help and life in prison. Her life sounded like the most horrific abuse what she learnt as normal life growing up became her normal as an adult. What a rotten life to have had to then go on a do something so heinous and end up put to death. Her life sounds like a miserable existence. Why did child services take one daughter away and leave her there in watched, neglected, raped and abused for years. The least they could now was give her medical help and keep her confined.

[@valerierodger7700]

It's not an excuse, it is simply an explanation as to how this particular person ended up this way. But it is so much easier just to blame *only* her and lock her away or kill her then to address the flaws in the system that leave so many people victimized and damaged. Wouldn't it have been so much better if she had been protected, if the damage done to her had been addressed, if this tragedy would have been prevented?

[@hayliedlr]

@@silentone6411 are you American?

[@magentamagenta9108]

Okay cool but I don’t see any sympathy for her victims

[@cosuinofdeath]

Oh you mean the baby that was cut out of its mother ol lisa strangled to death. Yeah they never did.

[@coolandgood1010]

You can find that EVERYWHERE else on the internet. This is just a video showing things from a different point of view (not for the faint of heart, such as yourself). Not every story is one-sided and everyone has their side of the story. Yes, what Lisa did was horrendously grotesque, but it only shares some insight into why she could have done what she did. It is a point of view for those who want to comprehend the type of evil behind a cold, mentally I'll murderer. You want to see people crying for the victim, while bashing the killer? you've got the entire internet to do so. I would also like to point out that nearly everyone is the victim in this story, which includes Lisa Montogmery because obviously no child deserves to be raped. NONE. The rapists should have been given the death penalty. Who knows, if she was raised a happy child in a supportive and loving environment, this could have been prevented. This is just an all around tragic story.

[@Louis-vk1gx]

@@cosuinofdeath the baby survived though. why people are getting so damn serious and even given her a death penalty instead of putting her to jail or a mental institute? regards to her horrendously depressing and devastating past, can people not put themselves in her shoes and comprehend?

[@Louis-vk1gx]

@@knowledge3275 maybe she was just so desired to have a baby but she couldn’t because of her past trauma. she has to be responsible for her actions but isn’t it too bad to given her a death penalty? they could have done better, should have taken her to a mental hospital for treatment and observe her improvement or can just send her to jail so she could take time to cogitate and improve her mental health after all

[@iflex1963]

@@coolandgood1010 We know for a fact that what happened to Bobbi Jo was evil.... The rest of the story is speculation at best. In other words we have two known victims....period.

[@Мудрых]

I wish everyone who reads the comments health and happiness to you and your children. Good luck and God bless.

[@vietkay6398]

Thank you❤️❤️❤️

[@sidahmedheros]

ALHAMDULILLAH

[@jumpy7163]

@@sidahmedheros Ameen

[@cmont4064]

I wish you the very same

[@makiharukawa206]

This whole documentary is disgusting. Even as someone who is liberal, you take this awful case and argue that she shouldn’t be put to death for a PLANNED atrocity she committed JUST because she has trauma and mental illness. Not to mention the fact that you turned this into a narrative about abolishing the death penalty with someone who absolutely deserves to die. It makes me so sick that you turned an awful case into humanization of an awful person, and political propaganda to abolish the death penalty.

[@ethandieker5349]

Can't comprehend the ppl who believe she didn't deserve the death penalty. Legit 1 of the sickest murders I've read and heard of.

[@quendelf]

No human is born “bad”, they learn what they are exposed to.

[@Fishingadventureuk]

Hitler ?

[@onehillyboi]

@@Fishingadventureuk He was exposed to Anti-Semitism as he grew older, he originally wanted to pursue Art as a career and avoid politics at all cost because his father was an Austrian Politician, however it wasn’t until after he failed to secure a position in the top Vienna Art school (very narrowly) and the loss in WW1 that he became homeless and took out his anger on the Jewish minority (presumably because they got picked for the school and got all the jobs). I in no way support Hitler and never will, he was one of the most evil people to ever walk on this planet, however his friends and people around him said he was a very charming and enlightened boy who was quick to anger like his father. He also got really good grades in Elementary School, but after his mothers death, his descent into tyranny began. So to answer your question, he wasn’t always “evil” or bad growing up, it was a series of unfortunate events that happened that made him into the one of the most evil human beings in world history

[@andrewlim7751]

Famous Church committee member that killed 70 women?

[@jberry1767]

Plenty of serial killers had fantastic upbringings, with no sign of abuse or neglect. That logic is flawed.

[@andrewlim7751]

A priest that killed multiple children allowed to escape justice because he is a priest?

[@satthyas3698]

"If you don't heal what cut you, You would bleed on people who didn't hurt you."

[@adnankabeer777]

Wow.

[@cxnaan3117]

Amen

[@caroljackson4093]

Wow!!! Hmmm 🤔!!! That’s deep and also so true.

[@JanetLeeLY]

The victim was horrifically killed for her baby. She was just 23. Even if the killer had suffered severe abuse, it gives her no right for what she had done. The victim’s daughter will be 18 this year but she has lost her mother forever. That is heartbreaking.

[@TheMightsparrow]

It’s justice for what she did & her tragic story should not factor in the outcome!

[@olliedwards8069]

The death penalty is still completely wrong, the government should never kill it’s own citizens.

[@sarahrose4126]

But Lisa's story does matter. Murderers aren't born that way , they are created .

[@TheMightsparrow]

@@olliedwards8069 in the current climate with police & BLM I don’t see anything changing in our lifetime. I don’t agree with the death penalty but for what she did I think it’s justified. Hopefully God will forgive her.

[@kevinpolston4652]

There is no justice in a case like this, none.

[@kjbclassics9949]

Eternal torture

[@claudiof.barbano5530]

execution was justice

[@jdc4316]

@@valerierodger7700 true

[@cotesia7931]

Yes, there is no justice That why they need to stop it. I wonder what happen to Judy and her stepfather?

[@nighthawwwk]

Oh there is. The evil witch died.

[@shelleytyso5589]

The punishment fits the crime

[@davesuiter]

The sadness on both sides of this case is beyond words; but we must have justice.