The Expanse Season 4 Episode 4 'Retrograde' REACTION!!

Drummer and Ashford confront a dangerous person from Naomi's past. Murtry hunts down a target. Bobbie's makes a life-changing confession. Here's our reaction to season 4, episode 4 of The Expanse.
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[@shepahotep]

Marco Inaros is so brilliantly cast. So much charisma.

[@ettanasf]

I disagree. I found him weak sauce compared to the book Marcos.

[@ettanasf]

And I’m hoping Filip is better.

[@jamesholland5761]

@@ettanasf lol really?

[@ettanasf]

watashi well. I didn’t make a claim. I stated my opinion. You disagree. That’s fine.

[@danii7584]

@@ettanasf you also looking forward to the free navy arc of next season? holy shit thinking of the big event that's coming, and how they will make it a big fucking cgi firework makes me kinda impatient. also I can't imagine they can, or at least I hope they won't cut the separate arcs. they already foreshadowed amus arc via the vidcom from melba. also don't think they can merge it with the laconian arc, that should be a season all to itself afterwards, shouldn't it?

[@keithnphx63]

"Ghost Knife of Callisto" is one badass nickname.

[@marcc1830]

Fitting for a true badass :D

[@nercksrule]

The cost of earning that nickname was so very high.

[@clownafra3236]

Callisto is the evenly matched, evil blonde nemesis of Xena Warrior Princess. She's so good, they became allies, and she pretended to be Xena when she was out of commission.

[@marcoboscarol2420]

@@clownafra3236 oh the memories thanks for that

[@skurinski]

too bad we never a see a battle in Callisto

[@Drewe223]

The actor playing Marco is so insanely perfect for the role. He steals every scene he's in. I feel like people are sleeping on how fantastic he is.

[@MidnightSt]

i personally don't like him. he seems to me like "hmm, Marco Inaros... a belter, is supposed to be extremely charismatic, name sounds latino... let's pick a typical latino handsomeguy ladymagnet type!" seems to me like a very shallow and boring choice.

[@Drewe223]

@@MidnightSt You are literally complaining that the charismatic swav character is being played by a charismatic swav actor. Do you realize how hilarious that is?

[@davebcf1231]

Not sure how anyone is sleeping on it. I've seen pretty much nothing but praise for him as a choice for that role.

[@aajiv1748]

Can't say I have ever seen Keon Alexander before, he is quite impressive, a long time friend of Cara Gee.

[@Drewe223]

@@davebcf1231 Maybe I just missed it but I feel like I see little praise for him in youtube comments and especially little praise for him from reactors.

[@eme.261]

Naomi's plight is understandable. I feel for her. What happened to her is akin to those who spend their lives dreaming of summiting mount Everest and then realize midway up the mountain that they're physiologically incapable of doing so. After all that work, they have to turn back or die. Naomi being one of the most capable and a Belter, to boot, being sidelined while her brethren may need her to speak for them, has to be a brutal slap. Also, she's realizing that she may never be able to live on a planet with Holden-- never be able to spend an extended amount of time on Earth getting to know his family. If he stays with her, he'll need to do so primarily off world. That's gotta sting. Whenever I think of it, I get a little teary eyed.

[@eme.261]

@watashi -- Nope. She was already on the planet when the issue presented itself. Therefore, she was already midway up the mountain. In the analogy, her being able to remain on the planet for an extended time is equal to her reaching Everest's summit. Her being in orbit of Ilus would be equivalent to her being at Everest's base.

[@gawainethefirst]

It could just be that she needs to take more time.

[@nokta7373]

@@eme.261 Yep. Mnt. Everest is open-sky graveyard for all the fools who thought it was an easy adventure and that they could make it to the top if they had enough money and the will to keep going. Just check the infamous Everest Rainbow Valley, littered with corpses. You can't even bring them down the mountain because your risk die yourself in the process. So they just sit there as a grim silent warning. Sometimes you just have to give up and stay alive. No shame in it.

[@eme.261]

@@gawainethefirst - The book answers definitely whether Naomi can or can't live on a planet, but I don't want to spoil that for Nikki & Steven.

[@TheDetailsMatter]

Plus, the language Alex used when he told Naomi about her issue implies that it can be overcome eventually, but that it will take time. If she takes it easy, cuts a less frenetic pace, gives her cardiovascular system time to adjust, and avoids getting confrontational with murderous assholes, she'll get there in due course. Just not right away.

[@minski76]

"You want Amos in your team" Certainly wouldn't want him in the other team....

[@biglu323]

@29:24 - In last episode, Bobbi spotted hidden tattoos on the guys working with the crooked cop that identified them as Belters .

[@sverebom7069]

Amos is not the only badass aboard the Roci anymore. It took three seasons for him to get there, but Holden is now the righteous badass while Amos is the badass badass.

[@andromedaspark2241]

And Alex is the Space Cowboy.

[@ranialian8537]

@watashi I think he's done regardless of how the investigation pans out. The production will most likely wash their hands of him either way, to appease the mob. Just saying, don't get too attached. Season 5 had already finished filming when the allegations came out so hopefully we'll get some more character development there.

[@danii7584]

@watashi allegations? are there accusations of sorts of misconduct? oh damn, I hope he doesn't get cut

[@danii7584]

maybe the crew only needs one badass. maybe this means the one badass that gets into trouble all the time will bite the bullet.

[@nikkiroy1527]

@@ranialian8537 you think they'll kill him off? Like Kevin Spacey in House of Cards?

[@cjsteadman6217]

One thing I didn't realize when I first watched this season was that there are thirteen moons in stable orbit around this planet. The planet that had the big machines on it before life developed on that world. This world (and its moons) is in fact one big machine that has been overgrown by organic matter. Why else would it have so much lithium in it? What its purpose is, is a complete mystery and humans may never be advanced enough to ever know its function.

[@thontor]

Proto-Miller pretty much tells Holden what Illus's function is in the book. I'm not going to spoil it here though.

[@beswelt]

Monkeys and microwaves :)

[@Haegemon]

LITTLE SPOILER FOR THE BOOK, NOT THE SHOW Each one of the 1373 rings gives access to an automated and formerly inhabited planet with its own tech and purpose in the proto-species way of life. The books gives more explanation that the series about the the past. Illus was one of many power plants for the ancient civilisation. Its population main task was probably to supervise the operations.

[@benhmn]

@@thontor See, this is why this season kind of sucks as far as I'm concerned. Why would they not spend more time on what this is machine is, or what it's doing? I watch this show for sci fi, not survivor drama.

[@nikkiroy1527]

@@thontor ty. Cuz I'ma read the books after the series ends

[@philmarston9078]

finally we have our introduction to a real bad guy. A guy who justifies his actions and draws sympathy from the clans. The guy who is playing Marco really does knock it out of the park here.

[@Yora21]

All Belter leaders are phenomenal. Except for that one guy that Johnson threw out the airlock.

[@BloodKills]

@@Yora21 Nah, he was also amazing. The way he said "We came dis close to offin that whoopah Avasarala" was immaculate

[@squaddie67]

It's not the blowing up of the thing that's caused the islands to overheat, it's Holdens gardening exploits in the old ruins. That started the lightning strikes and the lightning strikes terminated when they got to that chain of islands, I think all the random activity going on all over the planet is Miller flipping switches to see what happens.'

[@kentslocum]

Yeah, I get the sense that the protomolecule doesn't consider the humans to be a threat right now--they're like ants underfoot. The Investigator is far more concerned with getting answers. The spinning machinery clearly wasn't giving the Investigator the information he wanted, so the fact that Holden damaged it to turn it off doesn't incite any retaliation. This isn't the same as the Ring Station defending itself.

[@PowerfulWarbird]

They are mice that started a car, with no idea or perception of how it works.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

^^^ ALL OF THIS!!!!

[@TherealemilLowen]

Monkeys with a microwave

[@xedralya]

I love that Nikki still can't get over the way Steven says "SCREAMIN' FIREHAWKS!"

[@eme.261]

They didn't try to blow up Holden's ship, because: A) The Roci didn't land on a landing pad-- they had no idea where the ship (a warship) would come down. B) The Roci doesn't pose an economic threat to the Belter refugees/colonizers/settlers of Ilus, while Murtry and the other inners are there, specifically, to set up operations for the UN and mining for an inner corporation, Royal Charter Energy (RCE). Left up in the air in the book is whether the RCE crew's real mission is to steal all mining rights from the Belters.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Murty made it clear on the shuttle down that RCE intended to usurp mining rights from the Belters. That might not have been the particular mission of the Edward Israel crew (they are scientists the way Exxon has scientists). But the modus operandi of Earth corporations with Belters, as described by Murtry in the show, is to allow Belters to discover minerals and then "claim jump" them with a UN charter backed by UN force.

[@eme.261]

@@kirkdarling4120 -- Well, there you go. The moments that Murtry made the intentions clear weren't included in the scenes Steven included in their rewatches. I didn't want to give them that specific info if they hadn't already gleaned it from the episodes.

[@TheDetailsMatter]

In a sense, we can all jump down Anderson Dawes' throat now for passing out spoilers, when he told Miller in season 1 that Earthers "look up at the stars in the night sky, and they say, 'Mine!' " The reactors watch the whole episodes front to back, and then cut each one down to 10 minutes for fair use on KZbin. Calling something a spoiler that they've already seen but had to cut out for brevity's sake is an impossible standard for anyone to uphold. Kirk did nothing wrong.

[@eme.261]

@@TheDetailsMatter -- Who claimed Kirk did something wrong? I noted that I left the info out and provided my reason why I did so. That wasn't a judgment on him. In this instance, Kirk didn't require a defender.

[@TheDetailsMatter]

@@eme.261 Apologies, then. My reading of your post may have been colored a bit by a recent exchange with a different commenter.

[@davedahl4461]

Can’t say where, but Steven your analysis was insightful and on point. Part of the fun of this show is speculating and you are terrific.

[@ck_idgaf1680]

Also, yeah Bobbie is noble, but she is blind to the condition that Mars and it's people are in now, that foreman was willing to do whatever for a cut, which tells volumes.

[@danii7584]

tells you he knows what's going on, he's in the business longer and sees the writing on the walls. the foreman might be an opportunist, at least he is not willing to "go down on the sinking ship"

[@thomashiggins9320]

Naomi wants to be in Holden's life -- and that means she wants to be able to visit his home and family. That's one of her primary motivations for pushing herself, so much. If she's never able to visit Earth, and see his home and family in their own place, then it's that much harder for them to consider her a part of the family.

[@danii7584]

they could all have a get together on the moon, it's only a third gravity of the earth or something like that.

[@nikkiroy1527]

They can go up to space though. It's easier for them than Naomi.

[@thomashiggins9320]

@@danii7584 It's actually one-sixth (0.16) of Earth's gravity. And, even though they could visit the moon, that's still an expensive trip. Moreover, it's not the same as being able to visit the home of the parents of the man you love, and see where he grew up in the place his parents made for him.

[@danii7584]

@@thomashiggins9320 you should really read the books :) you are sorely tempting ppl to spoil the upcoming story

[@thomashiggins9320]

@@danii7584 I've read through Book 6, and Naomi's motivations, here, should be pretty obvious, I think. She had to interact with Holden at his parents' place, via video conference. That's no way to build a relationship with people who she wants to consider family.

[@jamesholland5761]

I love the way these episodes are filmed like a western! The writing is so good! The silver tongue of Marco, Bobby try to find her place with dynamic changing on Mars, Rocinante crew dealing with the decisions of Holden influenced by Miller, and Crisjen's trying to hold the solar system together and all them dealing with The Ring! Awesome!

[@MidnightSt]

Retrograde is a direction - since stuff like up/down, left/right doesn't have much use in space, they have their own terms (of which I only remember the basic two) : prograde, which is - in the direction of your trajectory, so when you do a prograde burn, you speed up. retrograde, which is burning AGAINST (retro - backwards) the direction of your trajectory, to slow down. so, "in relation to planets"... or rather, their orbits. retrograde is "in the opposite direction to how the thing orbits", prograde is "in the same direction as thing orbits". retrograde burns make your orbit lower, until you eventually crash into/land on whatever you were orbiting, prograde burns make your orbit higher, until you eventually achieve escape velocity and stop orbiting the thing and fling yourself into space away from it. oh, and what Nikki is mentioning "planet is in retrograde so i'm acting like an asshole", ...that's astrology bullshit, but in this context it also exists in astronomy, and... well... this one is hard to explain (and it's even hard for me to imagine properly), but due to how earth has an orbit, and other planets too, but their speeds are different, when you're looking at other planets from earth, they appear to move in kind of a squigly lines, first they move across the sky in one direction, and then they appear to travel across the sky in the opposite direction, but it just seems like that due to how their speed and position on their orbit interacts with earth's speed and position on its orbit. so the planet is, naturally, still moving in the same direction, but it *appears as if* it was moving in the opposite one, and that's the retrograde phase of its movement across the sky.

[@TheRaventwilight]

Thank you for the most excellent explanation. Seriously. I thought I understood retrograde, but .... All of this clears it right up. 👍👏👏👏👏

[@paratus04]

But what’s funny about orbital mechanics is when you burn prograde to “speed up” to you move to a higher orbit and actually “slow down”. The opposite happens when you burn retrograde.

[@OnceFan2013]

A good way to visualize why a planet appears to sometimes move in retrograde motion is to think of what happens when you pass a slower car on a highway. Both cars are moving forward but from your point of view, the slower car appears to move backwards (first, it's in front of you, then it's beside you, then it's behind you.) We see retrograde motion for the same reason when the rapidly moving Earth passes slower moving outer planets.

[@aaronia8092]

In this episode I would say the term 'retrograde' applies to Marco, who is opposing the Belter movement which tries to go ahead and improve their situation along with the changes. Marco wants to 'move back'.

[@symphobic]

The other directions are: Radial: pointing away from the planet you're orbiting Antiradial: pointing towards the planet Normal and antinormal: these are the 2 directions in the 3rd dimension, so for example in an equatorial orbit they would be pointing towards the north and south poles.

[@acereporter73]

Bobbie is that noble soul surrounded by a world where corruption runs rampant...

[@nokta7373]

She is a military woman born in a traditional military family. She probably got indoctrinated since her childhood into believing the Mars propaganda where everything is duty, honor, commitment to the cause. Then joined the Marines where that myth got propagated. Truth is, it's all just a façade. Now that she's finally a civilian dealing with civilian life and she is starting to smell all the rot seeping through the cracks.

[@nikkiroy1527]

Yuuuuup! She's ALWAYS on the side of RIGHT. And she's soooo badass.

[@kevinwheesysouthward9295]

Totally agree. I wish the show focused on her story a bit more. I want more Bobbie and more Amos.

[@ck_idgaf1680]

Yes Amos jumped in as a distraction, but don't get it twisted he would never take on multiple guys normally, he knows what he can do, he is human, he took an ass whoopin for Naomi

[@ethanchandler2390]

I think he could do much more but he would get shot so he safely distracted them

[@nikkiroy1527]

Yuuuuup

[@dumpsterdawg]

Make sure you use PuR & KLEEN Water when you make your next cup of BALL TEA

[@LeeCarlson]

Remember when Drummer told Naomi "Now I see why you don't carry a gun"?

[@PatrickHutton]

What's being missed in Bobbie's situation is how Mars has changed and its ethos has been damaged by the opening of the ring gate.

[@Mikkamel]

It's great to see Marco and Murtry in the same season. As Nikki said about Marco "he's kind of right". Same as how the Belters that blew up the landing pad were kind of right. Murtry really is there to hurt them, and to do it in the exact same way that they have grown up with and seen all their lives. The Belters being suspicious about the intentions of the Inners is not paranoia. We've had seasons to establish how that usually works and the first few episodes made sure to establish that this is not supposed to be any different.

[@LeeCarlson]

'Tis not what Holden did, 'tis what the Investigator did when he was "flipping switches."

[@whaazup4ma]

Planets have different orbital speeds. Sometimes Earth's and another planets path become kinda parallel. But because of the speed difference retrograde phenomenon occurs. From our perspective when we "catch up" to another planet they start "slowing down" and when we "overtake" them it looks like they go backwards for some time. Then they return back to normal and go forward but now they are behind us. That perceived backwards motion is called Retrograde. It's difficult to explain with words only, but it's not a hard concept to understand if you have some visuals in front you. P. S. And yeah, retrograde has nothing to do with moods, same as full moon doesn't. It's just astrological nonsense

[@danii7584]

nope, that was a nice explanation.

[@Yutani_Crayven]

This is incomplete and only works if you think of planets as dots moving on the inside of a sphere (Ptolemy's spheres), astronomy as observation restricted to being conducted from the surface of one planet. But in astronomy generally speaking, retrograde also means inverted, backward, as in, most bodies that formed from the same proto-stellar molecular cloud will move in the same orbital direction as a result of how angular momentum is conserved. But it is possible for gravitationally captured objects to have their orbits or axial rotation reversed. That's also called retrograde, in 3d space, not just as a projection. The Moon PHOEBE (of Expanse fame), for example, is a captured moon that orbits its planet in the opposite direction of all the other Moons. Which is why it made it into the series in the first place.

[@Yutani_Crayven]

On top of that, it's also a term used in orbital mechanics in navigation of spacecraft. As in "retrograde burn".

[@thontor]

Keep in mind what Proto-Miller said in episode 2. "I'm just flipping switches, seeing what lights come on" Maybe all of this ring builder technology on Illus is being activated because of that and not because of anything Holden is doing.

[@kentslocum]

Exactly. The planet cares as much about the humans as humans care about ants underfoot. The humans are not as important to The Investigator and to the planet as they think they are. The humans don't pose a credible threat to Illus, so nothing that the planet is doing is happening in retaliation or defense. It's because The Investigator is pushing buttons, connecting circuits, flipping switches, and searching for answers.

[@Sindragosa]

"Retrograde" at its most basic means 'moving backwards'. Now planets obviously don't move backwards. But that's when their motion is considered with the sun as the frame of reference. Back in the day, people use to think that the earth was the center of the universe. And if you use the earth as your frame of reference, then planets make all kinds of wierd motions in the sky, sometimes doubling back on themselves. So in astrology that's called retrograde motion and is significant.

[@nevarran]

And when you say "significant", you mean significant bullshit ;)

[@Toren8002]

"What does [Marcos] have up his sleeve?" -- Ohhh, just you wait...

[@soci6236]

Damn you guys are the only reactors that i watched so far that address the belters actually blowing up that ship. Almost everybody else just limits themselves to hate on Murtry without ever taking that into consideration, which is something i find really interesting.

[@aaronia8092]

I find it weird too that the script is written so that the viewer immediately hates Murtry and sides with the Belters. There is a reason for everything that is happening, but I kind of think that giving the viewer at the beginning a more neutral position would have worked better.

[@soci6236]

@@aaronia8092 Yeah actually in the books they let you know that the belters did it from the very beginning, and i also think that it would've been a better approach in the show.

[@chaddesrosiers1107]

Retrograde is when a planet or other body appears to be moving backwards due to the different orbits of Earth and the object. Its part of when we talk about with launch window when we launch rockets. You want to launch when the bodies orbits are moving closer to reduce travel time. If the orbits are moving in retorgrade launching then would take much longer to reach the target as its orbit would have that object moving away from you. So in this case... a sci fi show titled Retrograde has meaning. :) Perhaps goals are moving further away ect.

[@anaiglesias9972]

Yes, Amos jump in the middle and let them hit him to distracted them so Naomi could escape.

[@Yora21]

When someone tries to punch Amos, he will stop the fist with his face.

[@jrm371]

Marco is an incredible character

[@Kpopinyourarea47]

This is why expanse is often called the got of space becoz while the greater threat of protomolecule and alien is loomig large...all the fractions are dealing with their own conflicts and politics is at its peak.

[@johncrab67]

You guys might find this interesting. The woman who plays the love interest for Amos here in season 4. Her characters name is Chandra Wei. Her real name is Jess Salgueiro. Well, she is the actor who played the short lived character, ROBIN in the series, The Boys.

[@hernerweisenberg7052]

Retrograde is when you go against the flow. In space science stuff its often used as "retrograde orbit", for example viewed from the north pole top down, all the planets in the solar system go counter clockwise. If you had a body in there going the other way, it would be in an retrograde orbit. Or if you have a satellite going around the earth clockwise while the earth is spinning counter clockwise, that satellite would also be retrograde. Or if your spacecraft is doing an retrograde burn, it means its slowing down, burning its engine against the way its going, for example to initiate a reentry maneuver :)

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Think of it like walking into a giant, old, rusted automated factory and just started pushing random buttons and flipping random switches. Circuit breakers are gonna blow, sequenced starts turn on out of order, water pipes burst, stamp press starts spitting out metal plates onto a conveyor belt that no longer moves so the plates pile up and spill onto the floor, automatic fail-safes engage or fail to... Imagine that but on a PLANETARY SCALE!! :O Now imagine a couple of rats nests sprinkled in some random places within all that machinery. That's the humans...

[@dmann05]

Next episode is pretty crazy. Actually the rest of the season is kind of crazy. So much stuff! I love Bobbie's arc this season. Have you noticed how all of the shots on Ilus/New Terra are in widescreen? It looks like a movie! Get ready for nonstop crazy shit!

[@billross7245]

Remember in the beginning if the season, Amos didn't visit Earth, but he's right at home here, this is his vacation.

[@jamesholland5761]

Good point on both accounts!

[@shethek1733]

I am SO happy to see reactors that do not just dismiss and cross out Morty and his point of view from the getgo. This series is all about Grey Areas and understanding the other side without changing Your won mind.

[@edireland8983]

Holdens standard response in this scenario "I have a warship"

[@KeithDCanada]

Was Holden hitting the one protomolecule structure with a warhead a bad idea? Probably... as we have seen in the past the protomolecule does not react well to attacks... But.. in his defense, they were within moderate driving range from the settlement, and when that structure first powered up and started rotating, it began to move carving a near 3km wide swath of ground. Given that they'd have zero way of even knowing how or where to stop it from... and its proximity to the settlement - he made a judgement call. Sometimes you gotta choose between bad and really bad.

[@andykoegelenberg6376]

Marco has the most dangerous month in the System. He could sell space to a belter

[@SnaFubar_24]

When viewed above north pole looking down, planets, moons, etc in our solar system usually orbit counterclockwise the same way the planet rotates. A "Retrograde" orbit would just be an orbit that goes around the opposite direction.

[@Neocoolzero]

They should've get rid of Marcos, ALL of them deciding that know how dangerous he is :(

[@CousinCreepy]

It was this episode that convinced me that Amos/Wes would make a good Wolverine in the new MCU!

[@martensjd]

Extractive industries, like mining the belt or mining West Virginia, usually do not pay the workers well. The owners, however, can typically extract their profits.

[@paulhewes7333]

I have that pur&kleen shirt. Also a Mars Congressional Republic Navy jacket.

[@jamesholland5761]

I have that Pur&Kleen shirt myself!

[@scottjohnson2525]

And a Beratnas Gas shirt!

[@martinsharrett1872]

This why Amos, imo, is so easy to understand and predict. Very few people show Amos kindness without an expectation of gain. I directly sympathise with this. It's why Amos is so violently protective of certain people. Naomi, Holden, Alex and Anna. All have 1 thing in common when it comes to amos. All have shown him kindness without asking anything in return. It's why he says to Anna, "I'm not going to let anyone hurt you". It's not because she said something smart. It's because she showed him kindness in what she said. Marty vs. amos. He is a bully who gets his rocks off by hurting people. What has Amos shown time and again his view on bullies is? Chicken anyone? This entire situation is a microcosm of Amos life in Baltimore, he is at home in this scenario. The protomolucule whatevers. Which is worse? Letting a potentially dangerous machine you know nothing about finish what it's doing? Hard stopping that machine in the process of it doing something? Machines don't generally hard stop well.... Of course half of everything Marco said was right. The best lies are those wrapped in truth. But the rules really have changed. Of course the inners are lieing and bidding their time until they are stronger. The proper response to Marco is, "of course they are lieing marco, everyone knows this. So are we. That's why your going to die. So we can continue to bide our time and beat them at their game until we are strong enough our situations with the inners is reversed. When once they had the only 1 habitable world. Soon they will have 1 and we will have thousands. No longer will factions argue over which asteroid belong to who. They will argue over which hundreds of habitable worlds belong to which faction. Your actions are preventing that and that is why you will die here."

[@kirkdarling4120]

Except that Earth (that is, Avasarala) is preventing colonization, despite hundreds of probes reporting no significant dangers. If Avasarala was being truthful, she'd have had the Roci out there exploring prospective planets as well. Yet, while holding back colonization, she gave a mining charter to an earth corporation. Saying "no" to colonization but "yes" to mining proves her intention is not honorable.

[@martinsharrett1872]

@@kirkdarling4120 - I'm confused by your reply. I don't think I mentioned chrisjen at all. Though I did comment on all of the inners in my "what should have been said to Marco" as a reply to his appeal portion. Is that what you are referring to?

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@martinsharrett1872 You said: "When once they had the only 1 habitable world. Soon they will have 1 and we will have thousands." Avasarala is preventing that from happening.

[@martinsharrett1872]

@@kirkdarling4120 - how is she preventing that really though? By parking a single UNN ship outside the ring while a much larger (ship and crew) belter vessel sits inside it? This may look like the same old "earth runs the show" situation. But all of the rules have changed. Earth is still the major power. But only because Mars quit. Remember earth lost something like half their fleet in that war. Their fleet is spread beyond thin at this point. Sure, the belt is light years from parity. But parity is never necissary. You only need parity at the location of conflict. Though you really don't even need parity their either if we are being honest. Regardless of any belter sayings possetion really is 9/10s of the law. Find a way to plant your flag first and even asshats like murtry struggle to undo it. Ask the Falkland islands. The belt is being given exactly what they need by earth. Time to unify and build up. Marco's idiotic and childish actions WILL force the UNN to do the one thing the belters can't have. Dedicate more military assets to the ring. Right now the belt has the upper hand. Their turf and a punchers chance in an armed conflict with the current UNN ships on station. That's worlds better than any other situation they have ever had. A fleet of UNN ships show up because of pirates... That wildly changes the landscape. The belt needs to smile, be polite, stay quiet and maintain the status quo all while preparing for the fight to come so they can dictate how and where it is fought.

[@doorran]

holden didn't land on the landing pad.. the belters were trying to blow the pad not the ships

[@Kdeem.224]

Does anyone remember seeing the movie Sky High??? Well anyways the Fire kid Warren Piece is Holden the actor when he was younger lmao it was shocking and funny too see him in that movie

[@coolhandmike5367]

Such a fantastic show! Can’t wait for the next season. Glad you guys are watching 😊

[@dragoninthewest1]

The Authors of the series took inspiration from the fall of USSR. A lot of Russian military personnel went into the arms business, which is why the AK-74 is used by so many nations.

[@AlanHoey86]

Retrograde is most commonly an adjective used to describe the path of a planet as it travels through the night sky, with respect to the zodiac, stars, and other bodies of the celestial canopy. In this context, the term refers to planets, as they appear from Earth, stopping briefly and reversing direction at certain times, though in reality, of course, we now understand that they perpetually orbit in the same uniform direction.

[@TealJosh]

also the double meaning for Retrograde: "tending toward or resulting in a worse or previous state"

[@aaronia8092]

@@TealJosh - Yeah, I would say it applies to Marco, because he wants to move 'against the tide'.

[@defiante1]

The danger of men like that is they have points, but their methods are beyond extreme.

[@defiante1]

@@Glisern I wasn't talking abut Murtry.

[@aikrichter5403]

about those belters, a lot of belters have no place to go,since ganymed blew up. Liek the ship in the first episode, with refugees that could't land anywhere. So some of them slipped through and tried to find some place. Than the inners came,and tried to take the planet away. Like it belongs to them. They could have gone to one of the other 1300 systems,but they had to take that one place where some belters where sitting. and they still have no place to go. Thats the main conflict here. And about Stevens Analysis, wow, when the details kick in,the picture seems to develop fast,right? :-)

[@Asticek]

Nikki is right Amos went full bro and charged them alone and let them beat him up to distract them to get naomi and lucia time to escape and get away

[@pwph8361]

Just imagine if Marco got spaced just then........

[@EyeOnSciFiPod]

Wes Chatham gives a chilling performance as Amos. Many call him their favorite character, but for me, he's just terrifying. He's depicted in the novels and on the show as a true sociopath. Yes, he is extremely loyal to his crew and those he considers friends - but with sociopaths, you never know what might set them off.

[@TheDetailsMatter]

Like, for instance, in season 2, Alex scolds Amos and gives his shoulder a little shove, and a heartbeat later Amos is bending him backward over the bannister rail of the Roci's command deck gangway, ready to break him in two. That sort of thing?

[@dragonflynoire9659]

4:16 Girl, same!

[@LeeCarlson]

Retrograde means "moving backward."

[@TealJosh]

No points for incomplete answer, jk. "having or being a direction of rotation or revolution that is clockwise as viewed from the north pole of the sky or a planet" This title though has a double meaning. Other definition for retrograde is "tending toward or resulting in a worse or previous state"

[@OnceFan2013]

@@TealJosh And I think the latter meaning is what the episode title is primarily representing.

[@LeeCarlson]

@@TealJosh i. e. moving backward. :-D

[@TheCowOfNow]

i wouldnt talk to him that way lol

[@shanepye7078]

Amos is Chewbacca. Loyal to the end, but he can also tear your arms off if you cross him.

[@feraldog5590]

The ship they blew up was just a shuttle meant to land while their actual ship (where those scientists are looking at the planet readings) stays in orbit. The Rocinante is anything but a shuttle

[@amert2465]

Damn I can’t wait for the Sons of Anarchy reactions to start rolling, you guys won’t believe what you’ve been missing! 😉

[@MrHarbltron]

I've got to say that I never understood why Mars is decommissioning all its warships... you suddenly have hundreds of new solar systems to explore and you don't know if anything is there waiting for you... so you decide to scrap the best military tech that Humanity has? Makes literally no sense to me.

[@ranialian8537]

Agreed, it's mind-boggling.

[@nathanj3528]

You kinda have to take their ideology into consideration. The whole purpose of Mars is to build a safe haven for the colonial inhabitants and that was their entire purpose. Now when multiple systems appear out if nowhere, the inhabitants start losing that sense of purpose and want to leave Mara for some planet that is much more habitable. Remember this. Martians whole point in the Expanse is their pride in defending Mars and terraforming it, now they don't need to do it and the warships they built for protection are useless because people want to get out of Mars and live better lives

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

They were decomissing ships.. doesn’t mean they haven’t already made or are making newer warships to replace them As for the old ship parts bring appropriated by corrupt marshans and belters even the old warships have tech usually beyond the capability of UN or anyone else right?

[@lonewolf8102]

And the hypocrisy people have for the security chief is always funny.

[@namne11]

I loved Marco's introduction!!

[@Yora21]

He first appears already being a prisoner with his ship destroyed and waiting for his execution. And you very quickly realize that he's just getting started.

[@Osti67]

Retrograde and prograde explain directions of an orbit. If a ship or sattelite orbits around a planet, then accelerating prograde makes you faster in respect to the planet you are orbiting. This makes the orbit larger and your distance to it bigger. While acceleration Retrograde makes your orbital velocity smaller and your orbit will get closer to the planet. Deorbiting a spacecraft will need the craft to accelerate/burn Retrograde to make the orbit so small, that it touches the atmosphere. Then the atmosphere will slow you down further until you fall to the surface of the planet....

[@Yora21]

Again, I recommend watching "Expanse Crack" and "Expanse Crack 2". Both are about 6 minutes each.

[@jamesholland5761]

Trust me I agree 100%!! I've been trying to get them to react to the Crack videos by yanheda for a while now! lol

[@Yora21]

@@jamesholland5761 I try to remember to make this comment every episode since season 3. :D

[@jamesholland5761]

@@Yora21 that's awesome! I too have been trying. So know you aren't on this crusade alone!

[@Nightmarigny]

Mercury in Retrograde is when mechanical and technological things tend to malfunction and accidents happen disproportionately. I live in New Orleans, where 95% of everyone believes in astrology so it's a constant topic lol.

[@ai8907]

"The term retrograde comes from the Latin word retrogradus, which literally means “backward step.” As the name suggests, retrograde is when a planet appears to go backward in its orbit, as viewed from Earth. Astronomers refer to this as “apparent retrograde motion,” because it is an optical illusion."

[@Haegemon]

Now is when the shit starts to rise. Miller is an hologram moved by an I.A. On the planet there is physical technology, old and abandoned for ages.

[@AzkuulaKtaktu]

Retro (back) -grade (value) Retrograde is backwards movement (or apparent backwards movement).

[@brandonelkin3166]

Have y'all seen the trailer for raised by wolves on Hbo max the guy who played Ragnar Travis Fimmel is in it it looks good the director is Christopher Nolan done a lot of hit movies I just know how much Steven loved Ragnar

[@blackletter2591]

I thought it was Blade Runner/Gladiator director Ridley Scott

[@brandonelkin3166]

@@blackletter2591 your rite I'm sorry my bad

[@doorran]

he's just a pirate using a cause as an excuse to loot.

[@MichaelBond]

You have a lot of faith in Amos. He's good, but he's not John Wick... being handcuffed with guns pointed at him, he's still as vulnerable as anyone would be.

[@anouar3194]

True, but if he wanted to, he could've have kept his distance and shoot them at a safe distance, he throw himself in there to let them escape, i like that different side of that scene rather then let Amos kills them all hand to hand and all that.

[@LeReVid]

@13:59 Like for Nikki's reaction! And ominous smile!

[@damondecker1923]

MONEY HEIST!!!!!!!!!!!!! its dubbed in english ! not subtitled! best show on Netflix!!!!!!!

[@billross7245]

One thing that I never understood, it's a fricken Earth size planet. Aren't there any othe Lithium deposits or other resources on the other side of planet? Why does that tiny little spot of land matter so much to the Earthers. Seems beyond ridiculous to me.

[@ettanasf]

When you finally learn Marco’s plan, you’re gonna shit!

[@NickRedstar]

Where did you get the pur & kleen shirt?

[@jamesholland5761]

Nice right? I got one, from Amazon Prime! I think Steven got his from a subscribed fan..... wonder who?

[@KeithDCanada]

Ok, ring gate opens up. 1300 potentially habitable systems are now within arms reach. Mars citizens face 100 years of more terraforming efforts to create a habitable surface there... versus a potentially instant home beyond the ring gates. Belters, after years of being treated as an indentured work force, are also seeing the promise of a better future beyond the ring gates. There are whole worlds with resources that could make them wealthy beyond belief. Then there is Earth... population in excess of 30 million, not enough resources to supply its citizens and completely dependent on the resources supplied from the Belters. If its indentured workforce suddenly screws off you have the potential for a major crisis on Earth. Now the inner planets are denying Belters passage through the gates, the situation is dissolving.... and there's a crap ton of equipment, military and civilian, up for grabs on Mars, as suddenly some start seeing the profit in dealing it on the black market to keep their families fed and maybe even afford a way off the now dwindling situation there.

[@E-A-Z-Y]

Are you guys going to continue Black Mirror?

[@DarkMatterLuigi]

Love the new colorful boarder around the small screen! Also I don't get if Marco is Naomi's dad, Marco looks too young to be her dad right?

[@aaronia8092]

They say Marco is Naomi's baby's daddy, not her daddy.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

You're blazing through these last EPs!! What are you going to do while waiting for S05?!? :)

[@richtea615]

I just realized that Amos' girlfriend plays Hughie's girlfriend in The Boys.

[@dennistomsen5822]

Not for long tho 😁

[@duaneclarence8758]

She also stars in Letterkenny, alongside the actress for Drummer.

[@learnerchris]

You guys need to rewatch tEpisode 1 and Murtry’s conversation on the shuttle before it blows up. Might help you understand Murthy better.

[@LeeCarlson]

You haven't got the whole story regarding the detonation that brought down Murtry's heavy shuttle.

[@welessonakadubbs1544]

Let's do it...😎👊

[@andykoegelenberg6376]

On a ship by the ring near Uranus, the Little Drummer wisely out-votes the Pirate Captain

[@LeeCarlson]

Compare what is happening on Illus/New Terra with what went on during the American expansion into the "Old West."

[@Yora21]

I think Holden even brings that up in one of the coming episodes.

[@jamesholland5761]

Awesome shirts!

[@xerozeven]

I know it's for story, but when I think about it...why in the F is anyone on Ilus besides the belters? The sheer quantity of possible habitable planets because of the ring is vast. They should have been left alone or at least have some say in who gets help them mine. Wouldn't hurt anyone. As much as I love Avasarala...this is her fault, giving contracts to this corporation...that basically invade this place. Side note...so typical that humans think they can claim ownership over any of these systems, not taking into account something so practical....what if who actually owns them, wants them back? It's clear that they are far far beyond anything the human race could come up with. They can actually bend space and control matter. Doesn't matter that we think they may be extinct at this point because of info given by Holden, what if they aren't? Not sure anyone should be thinking let's build a home here.

[@SuperClipsEntertainment]

*Can you please react to Locke and Key..??*

[@eme.261]

In the field of astrology, retrograde refers to the period when a planet appears to move backwards. Retrograde, outside of astrology, refers to planetary or earthly objects or scenarios moving or being directed backwards. Most Americans will say "rewinding" instead of retrograde. People can be retrograde (degenerate). Instead of utilizing retrograde to refer to people, we tend to pick the word reprobate.

[@jerthon1]

What I never understood is why couldn't the earthers land some wear else on the planet and also why did they set up camp with the belters like there is this whole fucking planet and they are like I know lets make camp right here with the people we dont like.

[@ranialian8537]

The scientists propably wanted to stay in orbit to scan the plannet and send a shuttle down to operate on the ground (which is why they needed the landing pad while the Roci didn't). There's a running theme of the Inners feeling entitled, entitled to the Belt's toil, entitled to the landing pad. This already puts them closer to the original settlement, though my guess is they had no desire to immediately set camp in uncharted territory to begin with (at least no more than they already had to). "Luckily" for them, the Belters had already ripped that bandaid off by settling there. A bunch of the RCE crew getting injured/killed on the way down didn't help them stray much further either. *SPOILERS for season 4 below* Murtry says in 4x1 that he has negotiated with Belters before, cheating them out of a bunch of platinum by giving them water and a percentage of the take. He did so on behalf of the RCE. He plans to do the same on New Terra, this time with Lithium so it makes sense that he wants to be near by.

[@hasibalfuad9652]

When are you guys gonna watch Dark. Can't wait

[@neonspecter2730]

Mars is a society built on war. And now that there's finally peace, Mars is falling apart.

[@dennistomsen5822]

Nope, Mars was the promise of another Earth-like planet and the only game in town. Not so anymore with hundreds if not thousands of better choices on the other side of The Ring. That’s what is tearing the Mars sociey apart, not peace.

[@Yora21]

Mars wants to make a second planet habitable in the next 100 years. It seemed totally worth it. Spending those 100 years to make the 1302nd planet habitable seems like a waste of time.

[@neonspecter2730]

@@dennistomsen5822 The Ring didn't create lines of unemployment or open paths for criminals.

[@octo4647]

Watch teen wolf, the 100, the originals, power, altered carbon, lost in space, lucifer, Le casa de papel, snow piercer, see (jason momoa series) all top tier series.

[@jamesholland5761]

Really?