The Experiment That Taught Kids Racism...

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Into the Shadows

Into the Shadows

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@IntotheShadows
@IntotheShadows 9 ай бұрын
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@CrazyBrick30
@CrazyBrick30 9 ай бұрын
Can Simon whistle?
@Mr.N0B0DY.3D
@Mr.N0B0DY.3D 9 ай бұрын
Fuck vpns
@StreetPreacherr
@StreetPreacherr 9 ай бұрын
I'm surprised that YT doesn't seem to have any issues with advertisements for VPNs. Especially when they're promoted for making it possible to bypass streaming service region locks, which exist because those regions don't have legal rights to provide certain content... Figured they'd at least be restricted to have ads only promote the 'privacy' component.
@PoliticallyPink
@PoliticallyPink 8 ай бұрын
I've had Surfshark for over a year and have never been able to connect to Netflix when it's on. In fact, so many sites block it that I normally have to pause it for regular browsing.
@danholm4952
@danholm4952 9 ай бұрын
'History is not there for you to like or dislike. It is there for you to learn from it. And if it offends you, even better. Because then you are less likely to repeat it. It’s not yours for you to erase or destroy'.
@lindyjohnson4293
@lindyjohnson4293 9 ай бұрын
That’s a great quote. Do you know who said it?
@namename9998
@namename9998 9 ай бұрын
Yeah well Simon and his team dont seem to have a problem erasing history. Here I was hoping to learn about the experiment that taught kids about racism but instead I get bombarded with "white people are evil" within the first 2 minutes and half of that was an ad. I didnt need to watch another video explaining how evil white people are. I was hoping that Kevin would be less biased than other writers. Maybe its the topic. 1 31 "White reporters were asking black leaders..." 1. So what if white reporters were asking. In 1970 87.7% of the country was white and there werent as many news outlets. And what does their skin color have to do with doing their job. Should a white doctor not ask a black patient questions about their health even if it could help the patient 2. There were black reporters (Earl Caldwell, Belva Davis, etc). Why assume black reporters werent equally concerned about how people (black and white) would react after MLKs death ("Riots broke out in over 100 American cities"). And, "black leaders" as opposed to who? Although the era was known for the civil rights movement so saying "black leaders" instead of "civil rights leaders" seems biased. Not trying to be pc since the movement was mostly about desegregation in relation to black people. Although the NAACP was founded (in 1909. MLK was born in 1929) by a group including white people: Charles Russell, Oswald Villard, Florence Kelley, William Walling, Mary Ovington, Henry Moskowitz and Mary Terrell. The president of the NAACP in the 1960s was Kivie Kaplan a white man. So commenting "black leaders" is biased since there were white (civil rights) leaders. Not reporting all the facts... factboi. If this isnt an example of bias then why was it essential including that the reporters were white and I want proof that not a single black reporter asked similar questions. Im out. 1 41 "when our leader was killed several years ago, his widow held us together. Who's going to control your people?" "Not only was the reporter suggesting that the white president should be leader only of white Americans". How do you get "leader only of white Americans" from "his (white) widow held us together"? His widow, the widow of the president of the country, was holding the country together, not white people exclusively. You might as well said that she was holding Catholics together since he was Catholic. Or she was holding widows or parents together since she was a widow and a parent. And MLK had a wife. Why assume MLKs wife would abandon "her people". "The center was founded in 1968 by Coretta Scott King,[1] who started the organization in the basement of the couple's home in the year following the 1968 assassination of her husband, Martin Luther King Jr." I think Coretta actually did more for "her people" than Jackie did. Jackie was famous because she married Kennedy ("The Kennedy family is an American political family that has long been prominent in American politics, public service, entertainment, and business. In 1884, 35 years after the family's arrival from County Wexford, Ireland, Patrick Joseph "P. J." Kennedy became the first Kennedy elected to public office, serving in the Massachusetts state legislature until 1895. At least one Kennedy family member served in federal elective office from 1947 (JFK was elected in 1961)). After Kennedy died she seemed to stay out of the spotlight. Some lessons will never be learned. I spent more time doing research and writing than what I watched lol. And Simons intonation on "your leaders" Yeah. Not implying anything at all (that was sarcasm). I wonder what percent of the profits from this video will be donated to charity. I doubt it will be much if any.
@namename9998
@namename9998 9 ай бұрын
I wonder why my comment is hidden
@namename9998
@namename9998 9 ай бұрын
Yeah well Simon and his team dont seem to have a problem erasing history. Here I was hoping to learn about the experiment that taught kids about racism but instead I get bombarded with "white people are evil" within the first 2 minutes and half of that was an ad. I didnt need to watch another video explaining how evil white people are. I was hoping that Kevin would be less biased than other writers. Maybe its the topic. 1 31 "White reporters were asking black leaders..." 1. So what if white reporters were asking. In 1970 87.7% of the country was white and there werent as many news outlets. And what does their skin color have to do with doing their job. Should a white doctor not ask a black patient questions about their health even if it could help the patient 2. There were black reporters (Earl Caldwell, Belva Davis, etc). Why assume black reporters werent equally concerned about how people (black and white) would react after MLKs death ("Riots broke out in over 100 American cities"). And, "black leaders" as opposed to who? Although the era was known for the civil rights movement so saying "black leaders" instead of "civil rights leaders" seems biased. Not trying to be pc since the movement was mostly about desegregation in relation to black people. Although the NAACP was founded (in 1909. MLK was born in 1929) by a group including white people: Charles Russell, Oswald Villard, Florence Kelley, William Walling, Mary Ovington, Henry Moskowitz and Mary Terrell. The president of the NAACP in the 1960s was Kivie Kaplan a white man. So commenting "black leaders" is biased since there were white (civil rights) leaders. Not reporting all the facts... factboi. If this isnt an example of bias then why was it essential including that the reporters were white and I want proof that not a single black reporter asked similar questions. Im out. 1 41 "when our leader was killed several years ago, his widow held us together. Who's going to control your people?" "Not only was the reporter suggesting that the white president should be leader only of white Americans". How do you get "leader only of white Americans" from "his (white) widow held us together"? His widow, the widow of the president of the country, was holding the country together, not white people exclusively. You might as well said that she was holding Catholics together since he was Catholic. Or she was holding widows or parents together since she was a widow and a parent. And MLK had a wife. Why assume MLKs wife would abandon "her people". "The center was founded in 1968 by Coretta Scott King,[1] who started the organization in the basement of the couple's home in the year following the 1968 assassination of her husband, Martin Luther King Jr." I think Coretta actually did more for "her people" than Jackie did. Jackie was famous because she married Kennedy ("The Kennedy family is an American political family that has long been prominent in American politics, public service, entertainment, and business. In 1884, 35 years after the family's arrival from County Wexford, Ireland, Patrick Joseph "P. J." Kennedy became the first Kennedy elected to public office, serving in the Massachusetts state legislature until 1895. At least one Kennedy family member served in federal elective office from 1947 (JFK was elected in 1961)). After Kennedy died she seemed to stay out of the spotlight. Some lessons will never be learned. I spent more time doing research and writing than what I watched lol. And Simons intonation on "your leaders" Yeah. Not implying anything at all (that was sarcasm). I wonder what percent of the profits from this video will be donated to charity. I doubt it will be much if any.
@namename9998
@namename9998 9 ай бұрын
Well my comment discussing the bias in this video isnt showing up.
@rookiexreviews
@rookiexreviews 9 ай бұрын
Id argue that the even stronger revelation is not that they turned against each other it's that they turned on themselves aswell vs trying to do better to prove that theyre not dumber
@westrim
@westrim 9 ай бұрын
Yep. A lot of people don't really realize that these types of movements tend to eat themselves if left to their own devices. Germany, Italy, and Japan all lost WW2 in major part because they were basket cases only held together by belligerence towards outside powers.
@kaltaron1284
@kaltaron1284 9 ай бұрын
@@westrim They mostly lost because how lopsided resources were. Their ideologies and negligience of logistics esp. in the case of the Japanese didn't help of course.
@taylorcochran.
@taylorcochran. 9 ай бұрын
As someone who did undergo this experiment with a different teacher in the early 2000s in a racist family and county, I can say it did help me learn at an early age not to judge others based on their appearance
@frakismaximus3052
@frakismaximus3052 9 ай бұрын
Is it really true though? Does it REALLY teach people not to judge? Or only that whites shouldn't be prejudiced against blacks?
@l8tr806
@l8tr806 9 ай бұрын
Bro what 😭​@@frakismaximus3052
@ThatWriterKevin
@ThatWriterKevin 9 ай бұрын
@@frakismaximus3052 Seeing as the experiment was based on eye colour, it was designed to teach against all discrimination. At the end of the experiment, the teacher talked about Asians and Native Americans as well, not just blacks.
@d4mdcykey
@d4mdcykey 9 ай бұрын
@@frakismaximus3052 They just plainly stated that it did 'REALLY' help. Perhaps spend more time working on your reading comprehension than whining about imaginary white oppression. Your bigotry is showing...blatantly.
@jeffdroog
@jeffdroog 9 ай бұрын
Are you alright? It was definitely meant to teach people that ANY difference,is not enough of a difference to be prejudice against...Regardless of race,or any other factor.
@barbaralamson7450
@barbaralamson7450 9 ай бұрын
One can only hope that there will come a day when everyone realizes we are all human. We all live on planet Earth. The worst we can be called is Earthlings.
@namename9998
@namename9998 9 ай бұрын
What do you mean the worst we can be called is earthlings?
@snowangelnc
@snowangelnc 8 ай бұрын
Because earthlings do some terrible things to each other for no rational reason.
@kpounders7437
@kpounders7437 9 ай бұрын
In 1992, my 10th grade teacher did something similar. It was an optional participation, I didn't participate. It didn't end well
@matthewlook3597
@matthewlook3597 9 ай бұрын
As in, the students took it took far? We did something similar in my grade school in the 90s but just for one class, not two full days of it, which seems a bit much for such young kids. I think doing it one day, switching half way through would be less stressful for middle schoolers
@jeffdroog
@jeffdroog 9 ай бұрын
Well,it's hard to do in a multicultural atmosphere...
@chitlitlah
@chitlitlah 9 ай бұрын
I vaguely remember we were separated by eye color in first grade in the late 80s, but the exercise didn't go far and I don't remember much about it.
@andym2612
@andym2612 9 ай бұрын
That very year, 1992, I was in the 11th grade. We discussed that experiment in class but never recreated it.
@SEAZNDragon
@SEAZNDragon 9 ай бұрын
Let me guess, events in LA didn't help?
@leafyrox
@leafyrox 9 ай бұрын
Discrimination sucks. I had a 5th grade teacher who singled me out and humiliated me more than once. I remember 4 specific instances. It wasn't Miss Watanabe, who was very nice, but left during the school year to have a baby, it was her replacement - I've blocked the abusive replacement's name. It didn't help that I was caucasian in Hawaii, which is, or was, a minority. I was also shy, so it was devastating to me. I didn't have problems with any of my classmates, just that teacher. I also never had any other teacher treat me that way, before or after. I'll never forget it, and I'll never treat anyone like that.
@auntyshakira747
@auntyshakira747 9 ай бұрын
So true. Discrimination is soul destroying. And it is the minority group (in your case Caucasian) that get singled out. I am coffee color in a dominantly white community. At school there was a small group of white girls who would call me racist names, but the boys left me alone. Unusual memory for me. It's sad to be in 2024 and racism is trending upward and not declining. We as humans seem to struggle to learn lessons from the past.
@randomunicorn1578
@randomunicorn1578 9 ай бұрын
I am so very sorry that happened to you. Teachers can be the most horrific people!
@Dreznin
@Dreznin 9 ай бұрын
I got to experience that as well, living in Hawaii in the 90s while my dad was stationed at Fort Shafter. While most of the people were very friendly, the ones that were prejudiced and got away with it made things miserable whenever they were present, but that did give me perspective to understand why many POC feel that simply being "one of the good ones" isn't enough... the bad actors that don't get held accountable makes their victims feel like nobody cares about what is done to them. May I ask - did you attend Makalapa? I remember Makalapa being the mild version of what people got elsewhere on the islands, mainly because that was where all the AMR kids went and they typically stuck together. I just remember a Miss Watanabe there when I attended - my friend Mike was in her class while I was in Miss Tanaka's for 5th grade, I'm just wondering if the nice teacher you had was the same Miss Watanabe...
@leafyrox
@leafyrox 9 ай бұрын
@Dreznin no, I was in pearl city.
@leafyrox
@leafyrox 9 ай бұрын
@@auntyshakira747 I understand how your situation was much worse than mine, I only experienced it for a short time but will never forget it.
@taunteratwill1787
@taunteratwill1787 9 ай бұрын
Divide and rule has always been very effective within most crappy governments. 😎
@jamesheichel9465
@jamesheichel9465 9 ай бұрын
Exactly!!! If racism was as they claim there'd be fist fights everyday at work. Yet the only discrimination at most jobs is the pay versus the expectations of management. Well that and the shit leadership of managers in many companies nowdays.
@MinusMedley
@MinusMedley 9 ай бұрын
Today that government is called the internet.
@jamesheichel9465
@jamesheichel9465 9 ай бұрын
@@MinusMedley well the US government did fund the creation of the internet so....... Does it surprise you they designed it to be a weapon????
@rickwilliams967
@rickwilliams967 8 ай бұрын
There aren't good ones. That's literally how all governments are run.
@oliviavanbrink
@oliviavanbrink Ай бұрын
@@MinusMedley not exactly, it’s more of a tool used by people and governments. The internet can’t make and enforce laws or start its own war, however it can be used to convince a population that those things need to be done and make it easier for governments to do so
@janijaakola3179
@janijaakola3179 9 ай бұрын
judge people by their action not by group or race
@jackvos8047
@jackvos8047 9 ай бұрын
Ron Jones performed a similar experiment for a period of around a week on high school students in 1967. This started the movement that was the plot of this episode and I dare say this would have planted the seed in Jane's mind. His experiment was the Basis for the 1981 movie and subsequent novelization "The Wave". The book was mandatory reading in my history class at school. There were 2 people in my year with Heterochromia, myself being one of them and I wondered what type of treatment we would receive under similar circumstances.
@cocoa6671
@cocoa6671 9 ай бұрын
they would probably go the route of how mixed race people were treated, and depending on the person either treat you good or bad both days because you would have "some" of the "better" option. it would be interesting to experiment with, but i feel at the point we're at now it would be unnecessary at such a large scale.
@craigquann
@craigquann 9 ай бұрын
as a "half breed"... yea, probably not a good day.
@everypitchcounts4875
@everypitchcounts4875 8 ай бұрын
The Third Wave
@coffeedealerr
@coffeedealerr 9 ай бұрын
I just studied the experiment for my year 11 psychology class last year, it was crazy to look at how the behaviour changed
@michaeldocker1009
@michaeldocker1009 8 ай бұрын
I agree with Jane. It's not an experiment, it's an exercise. There's no measurable results with regards to an individuals prejudice, but there is the hope that they may learn from the experience. Learning should be challenging, that's when it works best.
@noprivacyleft
@noprivacyleft 8 ай бұрын
In 7th grade a teacher declared we must refer to him as "My King" and marched us out into the nearby woods, arbitrarily decreed half of us were slaves, and directed half the slaves to move rocks, another group to move the rocks back, and another group to sit and watch and make sure no slaves slacked off or talked to each other. If we didn't "satisfactorily" participate in our roles as oppressors the King sentenced us to slavery. There were also other arbitrary and humiliating acts demanded by the King for his entertainment. I started as an oppressor. The number of oppressors eventually decreased to one, our King. This went on long enough to go from being fun to being a major drag with no end in sight. When asked how long we would have to do this "lesson", the King laughed maniacally and said there was no "lesson" and there would be no "end". I surreptitiously whispered plans for a rebellion to some fellow slaves, which were quietly passed along. We all simultaneously tackled the king to the ground (a large man), and stuffed leaves up his sleeves and down his collar. The lesson then ended. This was one of the best learning experiences I ever had.
@fantomie5885
@fantomie5885 4 ай бұрын
My teacher implemented this in 10th grade during social studies. It was only done for 30 minutes as an introduction to the lesson but it remains in my memory more than the actual lesson.
@TheJediCaptain
@TheJediCaptain 9 ай бұрын
Fun fact: Most, if not all streaming services block access if you use a VPN. I was working on a cruise ship in the Mediterranean, and later the Caribbean and I couldn't watch any of the Star Trek or Star Wars series' that came out over the summer because of geographic restrictions. I tried my VPN and couldn't even login.
@melaniemanning2462
@melaniemanning2462 9 ай бұрын
Depends on which ones. Express VPN has always worked for me. But the whole thing is a back and forth between streaming services trying to block VPNs and VPNs figuring out how to overcome. Depending on the progress it can be hit or miss whether you can use a streaming service or not.
@caerulipes
@caerulipes 9 ай бұрын
So just don’t use a shitty public vpn use one you made fucking skid
@caerulipes
@caerulipes 9 ай бұрын
@@melaniemanning2462no they block mainstream vpns dipshits use
@kaltaron1284
@kaltaron1284 9 ай бұрын
@@melaniemanning2462 Yeah. It's a classic arms race. Same as with KZbin and add blockers. Or viruses/spyware and protection software.
@snowangelnc
@snowangelnc 8 ай бұрын
Why do they care so much? I would understand if they were selling access to other regions and the VPN was a way to get it for free, but that's not the case. What are they losing out on here?
@stephenrule5984
@stephenrule5984 9 ай бұрын
In my 3rd grade class we had bandana day. Half the kids were given bandanas to wear and they were discriminated against. I dont remember the teacher insulting anyone or the kids being encouraged to do so. The bandana kids were not called on, had to line up last, etc. Not being called on was enough for me to feel very frustrated and drove me to tears. I wasnt being given the opportunities others were, and 25 years later, I still remember how I felt. I think the exercise being toned down and properly paired with other lessons was a positive experience.
@meetoo594
@meetoo594 9 ай бұрын
Kids with green eyes kinda mess up her little experiment somewhat. Did she assign them as a neutral control group?
@clowntown3
@clowntown3 9 ай бұрын
They were probably just above brown eyed people, like how Irish or Italian people were a step above people of colour
@ThatWriterKevin
@ThatWriterKevin 9 ай бұрын
@@clowntown3 Depends what type of Italians. Not those swarthy Sicilians
@meetoo594
@meetoo594 9 ай бұрын
@@clowntown3 That would make the experiment a bit more interesting. I imagine a 3rd class of people would fracture the 2 main ones somewhat. I would have made them ubermensch, above the other 2 groups and remaining constant when the groups swapped armbands.
@sbsstorytelling
@sbsstorytelling 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'd have been either the lowest serf or been a king.
@melaniemanning2462
@melaniemanning2462 9 ай бұрын
Green eyes are the rarest color between the three.
@JFGreen13
@JFGreen13 8 ай бұрын
This women is one of the greats and I love her. ❤ she and her family have gone through so much in her fight against racism
@KGTiberius
@KGTiberius 9 ай бұрын
Power corrupts the corruptible. Discrimination is power. Reminds me of the Stanford Prison Experiment.
@deafcatforcutie
@deafcatforcutie 9 ай бұрын
That's immediately what I thought too
@stevenobrien557
@stevenobrien557 9 ай бұрын
Which was fake
@KGTiberius
@KGTiberius 9 ай бұрын
@@stevenobrien557 How was it fake? The primary point: TRIBALISM is real. While true the 1971 has faced significant criticism and scrutiny over the years, it DID in fact happen. The experiment’s methodology, ethical implications, and generalizations had contributing influences (such as telling that someone of the other tribe is bad, less intelligent, etc., the experiment still holds some value in understanding social dynamics - although its findings should be interpreted with caution. I was merely comparing the experiments.
@stevenobrien557
@stevenobrien557 9 ай бұрын
@@KGTiberius it was cut short and the participants said that they were encouraged to act up. It is considered to have little to no academic merit with shoddy methodology (the term fraud gas also been used) which came at a time where a number of experiments were being run more for the self promotion of the directors and the publicised shock value which was all predetermined - which is why you (and others) are talking about it now decades later without knowing the details of it.
@KGTiberius
@KGTiberius 9 ай бұрын
@@stevenobrien557 I am obviously familiar with the issues, as I indicated in my previous reply; however, I understand the admonition to stop referencing it. I merely saw similar issues in the above referenced video with children… promoting the kids a bit for qualities of superiority. My point remains regarding the truth of tribalism.
@hyliancrab5959
@hyliancrab5959 9 ай бұрын
Grew up in a rural area with about a 65/35 white/black population. This video/experiment makes me think about a sad statistic in my graduating class: not a single black male had above a D average. Very impoverished community, especially for the black Americans, which I’m sure exacerbated their problems with the education system.
@stevenobrien557
@stevenobrien557 9 ай бұрын
And you didn't have a single impoverished white boy graduate with a C?
@XDeminox
@XDeminox 9 ай бұрын
Also we did this in my middle school class, but it was based on sneaker colors, and switched half way through the day who was the 'better treated' students. We weren't told we were better than each other, but it *was*' the extra preferred treatment. This was in the 80s
@XDeminox
@XDeminox 9 ай бұрын
Obviously, the left has their own bigotries as well. I'm not saying that they don't. It's just specifically racism that the right in America both claims doesn't exist, and also that whites are victims of racism. The same anger at the idea of being called racist as that town.
@russellfitzpatrick503
@russellfitzpatrick503 9 ай бұрын
There have been several other exercises in this during the past 50-odd years, also by spliting a group into two parts - one superior and one inferior - and all have demonstrated the same results. This teacher's endeavours cannot be decried, should rather be lauded, for putting children (who are simply moulded by their surroundings anyway) into a position in which to experience discrimination for themselves and realise how bad it feels
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 9 ай бұрын
Sounds like South Africa all the way.
@movingforward3030
@movingforward3030 9 ай бұрын
​​@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115yeah. And yet society never learned. Where those of "colour" was seen as bad, they are now seen as better because of what their parents lived through. If we want to stop racism, we need to stop learning people how to be racist. (And I'm not talking about this experiment, here both sides experienced it)
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 9 ай бұрын
@@movingforward3030 You don't "learn to be racist" you just recognize patterns. Do you have any idea of why the "Apartheid" was implemented in South Africa for starters? I'll give you a hint; Detroit.
@movingforward3030
@movingforward3030 9 ай бұрын
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 not just that. The British turned us against one another. They brainwashed us by playing games. People fighting over what is nothing and made a big thing about it. It was bad. But mostly for those who had the misfortune to meet people that was high on power. My mother slept on a patio with white and black woman and children when it was too hot to sleep inside. I don't know. It feels like it was getting worse. But now, at least in the suburban areas, it changed a lot. Regardless of Race we help one another to get better deals and better jobs. It's the politicians that keeps on pushing racism. That's one of the good results that the bad economy had. We are all in the same boat.
@aq5426
@aq5426 9 ай бұрын
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 We get it, you're a racist.
@Tmaget
@Tmaget 9 ай бұрын
"Just copying the nazis" that was a chilling statement
@Lunch2391
@Lunch2391 9 ай бұрын
I guess she just referenced the Nazis obsession with blue eyes. The "perfect" human was tall, blond and has blue eye. I always thought it is ironical that Hitler himself had dark hair and brown eyes.
@kaltaron1284
@kaltaron1284 9 ай бұрын
And the Nazis were in large parts copying the USA. Now let that one sink in.
@kaltaron1284
@kaltaron1284 9 ай бұрын
@@Lunch2391 It was an actual joke at the time that almost none of the Nazi leadership matched their ideal. Of course you had be careful who listened at the time because for some reason they didn't like being joked about.
@kaltaron1284
@kaltaron1284 9 ай бұрын
For some reason YT didn't like my original reply. Let's just say that the Germans didn't invent many of those ideas but copied them from elsewhere. Over the pond maybe?
@Tmaget
@Tmaget 9 ай бұрын
@@kaltaron1284 harsh but undeniable reality. I guess you are your worst enemy.
@coffeecat086
@coffeecat086 9 ай бұрын
Jane Elliot is an amazing woman. I first saw her as a young child because my granny watched opera😂 she did the experiment with the audience and seriously raised some hackles with it. It made a huge impression on me. If kids can understand the whole point of the experiment, adults need to pay more attention.
@samuellunde6446
@samuellunde6446 9 ай бұрын
I suppose a similar discussion/video, should be done on the Third Wave experiment. And how easy it is for hateful ideologies to develop.
@bannankev
@bannankev 9 ай бұрын
I was apart of something very, very similar while in the military in Hawaii.
@Loopy.Loop27
@Loopy.Loop27 9 ай бұрын
We did an experiment like this in school in uk. I can say that it made me a better person. Having grown up with racism in my family. I learnt how ridiculous it is and completely changed my view. Its a good thing all people should go through.
@StephenPickells-bi2ii
@StephenPickells-bi2ii 9 ай бұрын
I saw a documentary about this which showed the filmed experiment with the kids and the reunion, but also showed the experiment done with adults, and some of the adults didn’t seem to get it. I remember one woman saying you don’t see black people treated this way, and there was a lot of outrage
@killedbydead2953
@killedbydead2953 9 ай бұрын
Fascinating, yet basic psychology. Tho i gotta say, it is fascinating as an experiment.
@hjusn
@hjusn 9 ай бұрын
I remember seeing this in grade school during the Civil Rights movement. I believe she had a follow up film.
@thatoneweirdgal8469
@thatoneweirdgal8469 7 ай бұрын
I love all the unintentional layers that went into this experiment. From the ease at which a person in a position of power can influence the people below them, the misinformation that is so easily and readily accepted as truth to these children. How the way one talks and acts can lead those who view themselves as superior to think they have an innate right to remind those below them just how inferior they are. Sure the symptoms are greatly exaggerated as we are talking about children who don't know any better and may act impulsively. But that's just the thing. These circumstances still happen to children, whether they recognize it or not, and there is rarely anyone who cares to correct their worldview. Oh and also, pay teachers more! Otherwise they may start influencing a small army of children to raise against us
@me1123581321
@me1123581321 9 ай бұрын
My high school history teacher did this. It was only one hour-long period during one day out of our year, but it was extremely effective and i remember it entirely almost 20 years later. The teacher didn't warn us or anything - but that made it all the more effective, imo
@budzilladakilla8749
@budzilladakilla8749 9 ай бұрын
This was a damn good video. Informative. Always known and never spoken. Upringing matters the most to how you behave. Exceptions excist but those exceptions are usually also exceptions
@infinatep1mp737
@infinatep1mp737 9 ай бұрын
I remember at primary school we did this exact same thing. Really opened my eyes
@ParallelPenguins
@ParallelPenguins 9 ай бұрын
While I agree with Jane and want a world where such an exercise isn't needed, we still live in a world where it really is. I don't know at what age, or by whom, this exercise should be run, I know that it should be. It seems a great way to get the point across to people who have a hard time putting themselves in others shoes, and if there was a way to tone it down a touch it seems like it could be a lot of fun learning not only how it feels from one side or the other, but also how strong you need to be to stand up against it.
@Trump.is.a.nazzii
@Trump.is.a.nazzii 9 ай бұрын
We gotta remind society that Simply believing there are races, is racist. I, an American of European descent, am the same race as people with Asian, African, South American, middle eastern, and all indigenous descent. We even have our oppressed people thinking they are one race of many. It's a lie we all won't give up.
@kaltaron1284
@kaltaron1284 9 ай бұрын
@@Trump.is.a.nazzii Races do exist though. Assigning them arbitrary attributes or claiming one is better than the other is racist.
@Trump.is.a.nazzii
@Trump.is.a.nazzii 9 ай бұрын
@@kaltaron1284 WRONG if you had taken a basic college level biology class, you'd learn that the fact is, what we call races in all areas of science DO NOT APPLY to humans. Therefore, YOU are racist
@juliav.mcclelland2415
@juliav.mcclelland2415 8 ай бұрын
You don't rape little boys to teach them it's wrong to rape women when they grow up. You don't beat children up to teach them it's wrong to hit people. You don't shoot people to teach them guns are dangerous. You don't infect people with viruses to teach them to wash their hands. You don't run people over to teach them not to drink and drive. So why should it be acceptable to discriminate against people to teach them that discrimination is wrong?
@kiriseraph9674
@kiriseraph9674 9 ай бұрын
Life is full of stress, and what stress doesn't overwhelm you will make you stronger. My teacher tried this experiment with my class on a smaller scale in primary school and I think it really expanded my world view and made it easier to empathise with others at a young age. Just because we shouldnt be cruel to children doesn't mean we should coddle them.
@sethchurch7384
@sethchurch7384 8 ай бұрын
I grew up 20 miles from Riceville and my dad‘s cousins were in school there during the 60s and 70s how have I never heard of this! Thank you Simon! I’m going to make some calls.
@jennyvlogs7160
@jennyvlogs7160 9 ай бұрын
I swear I saw an interview with one of those kids in psychology class, and he said the experience was traumatizing and he hated that teacher.
@major_kukri2430
@major_kukri2430 9 ай бұрын
can you show us? I need proof
@jennyvlogs7160
@jennyvlogs7160 9 ай бұрын
@@major_kukri2430 unfortunately, no. I might be mis remembering. It was in a college psych class in 2001 or 2002. And I don't remember enough details to find it. I might be mixing up with something else.
@gray5817
@gray5817 5 ай бұрын
If it's traumatizing for the kid to experience discrimination for a single day, imagine how traumatizing it is to exist as a black person in a society that actually treats you like that 100% of the time. These complaints perfectly expose the point of the experiment: how much white children's comfort is valued over the actual safety and treatment of black people. If you're so offended by the experiment, you should be that much more offended by the actual conditions of society.
@kylehogan2247
@kylehogan2247 9 ай бұрын
Ive watched this experiment so many times. its amazing to watch..
@deafcatforcutie
@deafcatforcutie 9 ай бұрын
This reminds me of the Standford Experiment (except theirs was prisoners/prison guards)
@deadlockraven1849
@deadlockraven1849 9 ай бұрын
Knowing your comment sections, this'll be drowned out by extremists on both sides of the political spectrum, but Jane Elliot is a genius who's contributions to the sociology of racism will always be legendary.
@frakismaximus3052
@frakismaximus3052 9 ай бұрын
I just needed to look up if she's a feminist to see if she is capable of being objective. She is a feminist and as such an ideologue she is not capable of being fair minded. So your Comment is totally laughable 😂
@Nylon_riot
@Nylon_riot 9 ай бұрын
I think she is a sociopath who had too much hubris, self sanctimony, and no scientific education, to be experimenting on small children because of her feelings.
@kailoveskitties
@kailoveskitties 9 ай бұрын
Seems like there’s only one extremist side in this comments section.
@carrie79
@carrie79 9 ай бұрын
If kids have to be uncomfortable for a day to see what it's like for somebody else I think it's a good thing
@thehangmansdaughter1120
@thehangmansdaughter1120 9 ай бұрын
Absolutely brilliant! I can think of a few kids growing up who could have used this lesson.
@mizu7662
@mizu7662 8 ай бұрын
"Though the names the students were called were certainly not comparable to that word" Why not? A bigoted slur mocking someone for a superficial inborn trait the person hurling the insult has stupidly decided has negative connotations is a bigoted slur mocking someone for superficial inborn traits the person hurling the insult has stupidly decided has negative connotations. I don't understand people who say some slurs are more insulting then others because they have 'history' behind them. The level of personal hatred and contempt the bigot feels matters more then whatever word they choose to use to express it. Isn't that why its perfectly okay for black people who are 'making it their own' to say certain racial slurs to each other? Because they say it with no hatred and both parties know its being said with no hatred?
@mikeguilmette776
@mikeguilmette776 9 ай бұрын
The junior high I attended conducted this experiment back in the '80s, but for two weeks at a time. What's more, the same class also conducted a version that had students wearing either swastika armbands or yellow stars . . .
@Varizen87
@Varizen87 9 ай бұрын
Some commentary from someone with research experience. What Jane did cannot be classified as an experiment purely based on the definition of experiment. Informed consent aside, there’s no random assignment. For the sake of what she was doing, she absolutely needed a discernible and consistent feature, but that limits this at best to a quasi-experiment. We can assume she’d have a testable hypothesis in the form of “those lead to believe they are superior will behave negatively towards those they believe inferior “ and similar hypotheses, but you just can’t do random assignment. However, I still feel her results are interesting, and experiments with the SIDE model with deindividuation effects has yielded similar results though more ethically. I am thinking about how I would try to get a study like this through a university IRB, and a version with children almost certainly wouldn’t pass, and an adult version already would be hard enough to justify harms (to all participants). Plus there would have to be some degree of deception on the Informed Consent forms.
@cordeliafitzgerald8714
@cordeliafitzgerald8714 8 ай бұрын
I don't believe Jane intended her use of the word "experiment" to be taken literally or scientifically. Jane's was teaching, the subject was discrimination, her pupils learnt what discrimination meant.
@Varizen87
@Varizen87 8 ай бұрын
@@cordeliafitzgerald8714 that’s pretty much what I am saying. When talked about outside her original context, it’s a classroom exercise. But also it’s important to remember when someone does something and calls it a social experiment, there is rarely an actual experiment. However, you can say what she did was a within subjects quasi-experiment though.
@itgscot5169
@itgscot5169 9 ай бұрын
I am reading the comments and I can see that a lot of us were taught this lesson in school. I remember it well as a blond/blue eyed kid. I will take this message one step further and posit that this happens among siblings of a family; even if it is just "no, your brother is the musician." ... So now I play VOICE!
@lionzod6943
@lionzod6943 7 ай бұрын
Jane was right this should be a regular thing done by teachers
@SpaceMarine4040
@SpaceMarine4040 8 ай бұрын
In junior high we watched a documentary in which this same teacher did this to adults, she started by charging the "out group" as argumentative which allowed her to discount any objections as proof of her point. These adults were absolutely unable to notice anything wrong with this, and that terrified me.
@AnotherWriter815
@AnotherWriter815 9 ай бұрын
We did an experiment like this in 5th grade. Around 2003. It was involuntary participation and we didn't know it was happening. It was done alongside our Black history month lessons. They had the boys as the superior group and girls as the inferior. It ended with me going to the hospital with a massive panic attack, a bunch of other girls also having stress related problems, and the teachers got in huge trouble.
@asira444
@asira444 9 ай бұрын
Well, that's really not the same thing at all. Misogyny does exist in the real world, and girls are actually made to feel inferior. Eye color is quite arbitrary in comparison. I would imagine that in order for the experiment to have its intended effect, the experimenter would need to pick a factor for which people aren't discriminated against in real life.
@AnotherWriter815
@AnotherWriter815 9 ай бұрын
@@asira444 I agree. It was absurd that my teachers thought that was a good idea. Especially in our backwater religious town when oppressive gender roles were the norm. I think they chose girls to be the oppressed group because the majority of non-white students were boys, so it "looked better". Still a bad idea. I don't think we,as 5th graders, were mature enough for that experiment period.
@anonymousrex5207
@anonymousrex5207 8 ай бұрын
People don't seem to realize just how often these types of things happen naturally in schools with bullying. Kids are treated horribly by other students because of how they dress, how much money they have, what kinds of things they are interested in, or because of your standard discriminatory stuff like religion, race, sexual orientation, etc... Most parents call this behavior "normal" or "kids being kids", but it is predatory behavior that causes all kinds of long-term issues for the victims of bullying. Now with social media, you have kids being pushed towards things like suicide or even school shootings in response to feeling helpless. NO ONE has a right to treat someone else as a lesser person, no matter what their role in society or their background... period.
@danwest3825
@danwest3825 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant episode, thank you for talking about this experiment
@derekk8523
@derekk8523 9 ай бұрын
Wonder how this would work on Clayton Biggsby.
@13Kormoran
@13Kormoran 9 ай бұрын
Similar to the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment, reflected in several films about this matter. This shows how easily people can be manipulated in lots of different situations.
@angelasieg5099
@angelasieg5099 9 ай бұрын
We did this experiment in my college psychology course
@Caspar67
@Caspar67 9 ай бұрын
I've seen this experiment performed in other schools with high school level students, one of them got so bad it almost caused a school wide problem
@jenniferbreaux7385
@jenniferbreaux7385 9 ай бұрын
I studied this experiment in sociology. Brilliant
@melissafortuin9500
@melissafortuin9500 8 ай бұрын
This experience had changed how children were looked at 😢 bullied and people still act this way today 😢
@terrioestreich4007
@terrioestreich4007 9 ай бұрын
I don't think that its a good thing for 3rd graders, I think that they could be more thoughtful about it if they were a little bit older. Group think can be pretty nasty
@ArcaneCannonChey
@ArcaneCannonChey 9 ай бұрын
This reminds me of the Teacher who taught his students the pitfalls of Nazism.
@shannonconnor3697
@shannonconnor3697 9 ай бұрын
My grandparents are older than the first girl to attend a desegregated school in the South. To anyone claiming that they "teach racism", you mean their parents and grandparents 🙃 were literally less than 60 years away from the civil rights movement. That is recent history with attitudes that have been actively spread by racists to their children in the last few decades up to today. It's not new people. We've yet to unlearn it, get a damned clue
@Lunch2391
@Lunch2391 9 ай бұрын
In a way studing the experiment in school would be good. Like have students guess what would happen during the experiment and then reveal what actually happened. This reminds me of the experiment in the book "the wave". The students are wondering why so many people would follow the Nazis. The teacher works out an experiment where the start an elitist group. In the end most of the school is part of the group and it doesn't end well.
@photobombr
@photobombr 9 ай бұрын
It's crazy how so many people are so concerned about the ethics of a day or two of a non-violent social experiment and not the reason it's thought to be needed. That point is only proven in these responses
@frakismaximus3052
@frakismaximus3052 9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@Saint.questions
@Saint.questions 9 ай бұрын
Seriously
@Nylon_riot
@Nylon_riot 9 ай бұрын
Typical expected response. How do you know she just didn't teach them how to be better racists? If you punish a kid for lying, do they stop lying? Or become better liars? "If it doesn't fit my idea of what racism is, you must be racist by default " just like the kids in the experiment. Especially when she hyperfocused it on one ethnic group of people based on her feelings of a tv program, assuming the information being reported is true. Then you try to subvert that she did experiment on other people's children without consent by minimalizing the language. Declaring you are racist or finger pointing at others who don't agree with YOUR definition of racism, doesn't make one racist. It is luxury activism from on behalf of virtue signalers who feel guilty about their privilege, and campaign for groups that they "feel sorry for" without ever looking into the data to feel smug and superior. But will never be found in a ghetto, barrio, hospital, or the Appalachians. Then will lower the education standards specifically for poor black students because "they feel sorry for them" not realizing they are engaging in the soft bigotry of low expectations. Why aren't standards being lowered for poor Asian students? It is just evolved racism, by engaging in racist behavior hiding behind projection instead of a hood.
@Nylon_riot
@Nylon_riot 9 ай бұрын
How do you know she just didn't teach them how to be better racists? If you punish a kid for lying, do they stop lying? Or do they become better liars? Some rando without science education assumed the comment of one person on tv is true and turned it into an experiment on a class of children without consent. I thought we were big on consent? All the minimizing language doesn't change that fact. Being ok with that is very true to Yahzee heritage. This was based on a faulty notion that not being exposed to another heritage leads to racism b default, as opposed to children just not knowing what race even is who have never been exposed. The first thing people notice about a stranger is attractiveness, not color. But she certainly made sure they knew.
@photobombr
@photobombr 9 ай бұрын
@rebeccastaniewicz4039 this "dessertation" you decided to comment once again proves my point. You completely avoided the point of my comment and showed how instead of solving the root issue, most people just want to be right or superior in some way. The human ego is a tragic thing.
@victorianightday501
@victorianightday501 9 ай бұрын
That one green eyed kid: I’m just going to see how this plays out 😎
@CameronLjungkullz
@CameronLjungkullz 8 ай бұрын
I actually went through this experince in a small town Wisconsin in the early 2000's. Our elementary school called it "Slave Week." being one of 3 black students in the school my sister and I didn't participate.
@danny-b75
@danny-b75 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Simon and team. Another very poignant subject expecially in todays world. Geopolitical speaking.
@ThatWriterKevin
@ThatWriterKevin 9 ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@cnurenasue
@cnurenasue 9 ай бұрын
The experiment needs to be carefully done and age-appropriate. My son's preschool did this; they segregated the black and white students and made the white kids serve the black kids. What my 3-year-old son remembered from that experience is that he didn't get to play with the toys all day, and the black kids were mean to him. I didn't find out about this until he was a grown-up. If I had known, I'd have talked with his teacher.
@Zittik444
@Zittik444 9 ай бұрын
I wonder if there is a comparison to be made about how political leaders speak about their opposition. It feels a lot like the main stream news networks talking about the parties on the other side of their respective fences. The Divided States of America 😢
@tiryaclearsong421
@tiryaclearsong421 9 ай бұрын
I think this comparison can be made for most forms of bullying. Fat vs. skinny. Glasses vs. no glasses. Has a stanley cup vs. has a dupe. Follows x religion vs. follows y religion. It's all ridiculous and seems to be based in this tribal idea of us vs. them. Politics is almost as easy to assume of other people as religion and it makes for easy targets to straw man. I think this problem is also nearly impossible to solve. We're currently fighting against the symptoms of something that seems to be inside of humans that we are willing to be so cruel to people we can categorize as less than ourselves.
@jordanaethelric2614
@jordanaethelric2614 9 ай бұрын
Some people on here are equating awareness of racism as furthering racism. That's like saying awareness of disparities between sexes is the same as creating disparities. It's a logical fallacy, just because you're uncomfortable dealing with it and don't think it's appropriate for children to learn about it, doesn't imply that ignoring it is any way to deal with it. Because it absolutely is still a problem today.
@The_king567
@The_king567 9 ай бұрын
Wrong racism isn’t a problem nowadays god you people are terrible
@LMN22
@LMN22 9 ай бұрын
This was interesting af. What a legend
@wes9809
@wes9809 9 ай бұрын
This isn't aging well seeing how 'they' act in society. Statistics and reality don't care about what sounds mean.
@Fxck_Nxzi_Scxm
@Fxck_Nxzi_Scxm 2 ай бұрын
Who's they? Racist rioters?
@SmileyMack
@SmileyMack 9 ай бұрын
Children are not stupid, they just have limited knowledge through lack of experience. Screaming at a kid a thousand times to not do something won't have the same effect as sitting them down, and explaining why they should refrain from doing it. Children's don't care about politics, borders, race or genders. The people looking at this from a scientific level, and calling it "immoral" or likewise, are plain wrong. The words of student in later life speak louder than any of their psychoanalysis.
@JOJO-yd7qs
@JOJO-yd7qs 6 ай бұрын
if it’s not effective for racism it’s definitely a good exercise for history class. Although it is way unethical. Imagine one of the kids has a mental illness like social anxiety or panic disorder.
@HarrySinanian
@HarrySinanian 9 ай бұрын
Awesome of you to cover Jane
@R_SENAL
@R_SENAL 9 ай бұрын
I'm having a hard time finding fault with this. At first it seemed a bit cringe, but the groundwork, the framing she used, seems like she did a good job of managing the planned unfairness. I'm sure this test could be abused so I'm glad she didn't.
@somethinunameit637
@somethinunameit637 9 ай бұрын
I went through this experiment at a young age. My blue eyes made me superior first, and I don't remember anything of that part really, but when it switched, I remember being so sad that people I was friends with were mean to me. Idk if it changed me, because it wasn't a core memory or anything, but I do constantly try to strive to remove my own prejudice out of my life as an adult.
@kimwoodbury3885
@kimwoodbury3885 8 ай бұрын
We did something like this in elementary school for one day around MLK Day, but the rules were changed so it wouldn't end badly. Instead of experimenting on the kids, the teacher did it as a game and the whole class was told we were playing a game. We were grouped up by clothing instead of something that can't be changed like eye color. Kids who weren't wearing red got extra toys while the kids who wore red that day didn't get toys. No talk about not wearing red making you smarter or anything like the teacher from this video did. Everyone in the not red group felt bad for the kids who were wearing red because they didn't get a toy
@Pr0digyZRX
@Pr0digyZRX 9 ай бұрын
Sounds like Jane is a great person tbh. With kids this is about the best teaching process... but what the parents retrained the kids afterwards could have easily ruined the good work Jane had done during this experiment
@kimhohlmayer7018
@kimhohlmayer7018 9 ай бұрын
It may not have withered under the parents’ teachings later. As a kindergarten student my teacher taught us tolerance. My mother tried to negate this teaching, but failed. Somehow I knew that the kind way was better. Can’t explain it. Media in the later 1960s helped as did liberal story lines in my comic books. Not kidding at all. Once the idea is planted you might be amazed at how it can grow.
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 9 ай бұрын
Love your content 😊😊😊
@bradleykoperski7198
@bradleykoperski7198 8 ай бұрын
I remember having this experiment conducted on my class as a kid in the 90s/2000-2001ish I thought it was a bit on the nose at the time like "common this is just game, real racisism would feel much worse". Of course our "experiment" only lasted like an hour, not all day, and I didn't expereince any bullying.
@funkydinosaur
@funkydinosaur 8 ай бұрын
A 'moderate reduction of long term prejudice' from one single day of school is rather impressive. I'm no expert but judging on the kids demeanour during that reunion it doesn't seem if there was any lasting damage; just learning. All seems pretty positive to me
@abiwright2726
@abiwright2726 9 ай бұрын
I always found this so interesting. Very unethical from a psychology perspective but super effective, definitely a good thing imo
@kingofhearts3185
@kingofhearts3185 9 ай бұрын
Curious why you call it unethical.
@verifiederror4386
@verifiederror4386 9 ай бұрын
@@kingofhearts3185 I'm currently studying psychology and I can confirm that by the modern ethics guidelines for psychological experiments this would be considered unethical though mostly because of lack of informed consent, no ability to opt out and not providing option for psychological help afterwards as stress caused and the like can be justified by the data gained if it is significant enough.
@lindyjohnson4293
@lindyjohnson4293 9 ай бұрын
@@kingofhearts3185Simon talks about this in the video, but consent is a necessary component of any ethical research. One only has to look at the Tuskegee syphilis experiment to understand why. The Belmont report (1976) governs the ethics of any experiments conducted with humans now - and it was inspired by the Nuremberg code. Nazis infamously conducted horrific experiments in the camps & so the world collectively agreed that protections had to be set up. One of the main principles is informed consent. It’s even more important with children, who aren’t old enough (brain development) to make informed decisions to consent.
@abiwright2726
@abiwright2726 9 ай бұрын
@@kingofhearts3185 children can’t give informed consent
@kingofhearts3185
@kingofhearts3185 9 ай бұрын
@@abiwright2726 They can't consent to any of the lessons they get taught, what makes this any different?
@christopherlopez4087
@christopherlopez4087 9 ай бұрын
So far I think this has been one of the better videos. Of course I love all of these videos on this channel, but this one sticks out..
@AizaakThurston
@AizaakThurston 9 ай бұрын
They should teach this in school. Considering studies have found discrimination is a natural human trait there will never be a day where discrimination won't exist.
@blackrook268
@blackrook268 8 ай бұрын
The only real issue with this experiment i can see is it requires a authority figure to enforce the idea originally. Its required to destroy previous bias/held information. Secondly with an authority figure it (one who can instantly quiet dissent) it doesn allow a natural enviornment of change, what if a single student didnt go along with the expirement? What happened to them? What happened if someone had green eyes, were they in neither group? Were they always descriminated against? There are to many variables and simultanious limitation to show anything besides human taking advantage if a situation in which they believe they can get ahead. That isnt unique to racism. You can do that without ever pointing out a "flaw". Its called favoritism, tow employees getting treated differently for no real reason shows these exact same results. That faults the concept of racism however does exasterbate the discrimination concept. At the end of the day humans are a social creature, and in any social group be it human or non-human there becomes a class system and there become a hierarchy to maintain a certain order. Bees, Ants, Wolves, Apes, etc all do this but without words, they do it based on power/size/gender. We as humans actually make it worse by trying to dismantle it completely instead of understanding what it is and tweeking it for our benefit. Like Simon said in the wrong hands this is a dangerous tool, but in the right hands could propel human society forward decades. Anyways long story short. I feel this was a poorly done experiment but had interesting results. I wish it was done in a more natural enviornment than a classroom setting where the teacher is inherently superior and can instantly silence dissent with threats of detention/expulsion.
@patriciaposthumus6684
@patriciaposthumus6684 8 ай бұрын
Just made it through the advert, and this thought popped into my head: World great medical terrible Netflix. America crappy medical great Netflix. Wow! I think we need to sort out our priorities, America.
@Yupppi
@Yupppi 8 ай бұрын
The trick to not being called racist is not to be racist I suppose. But of course unfair judgment also makes people angry. However when you get defensive about a reasonable statement, you gotta have a short introspective moment and ask yourself why you get so defensive even if you know you're not doing wrong. Often times the answer is because the topic is difficult and you don't like admitting it has some truth to it even if it doesn't apply to everything/everyone. When there's truth to it, you feel like it is addressing you too. The people's angry reaction to the "very unethical experiment" is funny because it's so applicable to any moment in time and just about any subject too. Just today I listened to a talk about great study on lifting at very high volume, which faced all kinds of criticism. Why? Because it didn't fit people's personal feelings about training, it also hurt some people who had built their business around the gimmick of specific way of training. It was called unethical despite having been approved by board and participants were volunteers. It was critiqued with arguments that if applied to the papers in style of training the critics preferred, those papers would fare worse. And to be fair I'm sure all of us can find examples of reacting the same way to something that wasn't comfortable to us or against our beliefs or wishes. It's not a fault of certain people, it lives in all of us if we don't stop and recognize it before acting. Jane was brave and smart I must say. And had a heart in place. To think about the situation so clearly and to construct the exercise and carry it over making the children reflect and learn on it. And I'm sure their feedback is true, you just change completely as a person when you face some tragedies and discrimination, things you didn't feel empathetic about towards others before you understood how it feels like. Racism, depression, unemployment, poverty, loneliness, bullying, sexual orientation, sex etc etc. We are far too bad at imagining other perspectives and situations in life other than our own experiences. Like living in Finland that's supposedly a great country in terms of living a human life, people have really awful opinions, really painful comments and hard language about other people's lives here too. There's plenty of cases regularly where someone becomes bullied in school here and the end result is that the bullied kid has to move and change schools, not the bully. And the bully most likely won't even get expelled and they won't move the bully to another class, they simply won't do anything to dissolve the issue. Heck, there's some cases where the teachers/school staff invited the bullies and bullied to discuss, but invited them at the same time so the group of bullies got to say whatever they wanted and supported each other, turning the whole situation upside down and convincing the teacher/staff member that the bullied kid was actually doing the bullying. It's been so bad in some cases even the parents of the bullies did bullying. Even worse, unknown kids from the schools went to their house to mess it up. The parents of many of those kids wouldn't even consider their kid is doing anything wrong, either arguing it's fine or that their kid would never do bad things. These cases have been all over the news last year and it's nasty how bad the bullying in social media time has evolved and how little our school system provides help to kids despite running campaigns against bullying and pretending they're doing something about bullying. The experiment could help. Or not, given how there's also many bullies who have terrible issues at home/in life and might not be able to take in on what the experiment is supposed to teach. Yeah, discrimination hurts and it is unethical to cause stress and hurt on people. But on the other hand what really hurts is: that discrimination the participants experienced for a moment, that happens in their every day life when they're bullied or if someone is racist at them, or if they bully and are racist towards someone. The truth is life isn't free of stress and suffering, a paper exam and presentations are extremely stressful yet kids are forced to do them way into their adulthood. The military service isn't nice but many have to go through the conscription anyway. The method isn't the pinnacle of ethical study design, but sometimes the ethical rules of studies is even pedantically strict even if we all know it would be beneficial. The participants in this experiment were thankful of the experience and thought it made them better people. What more can you ask from an unethical day? Or ethical day.
@phranerphamily
@phranerphamily 9 ай бұрын
We studied this experiment in both middle and high school social studies. It was awkward and uncomfortable
@voshadxgathic
@voshadxgathic 9 ай бұрын
Despite the fact that I was raised to treat people equally, other sources such as news and entertainment media did its own damage to that core belief. Even something as innocuous as a black man dying first in a horror movie, subtly indicating that if a black man were in such a nightmarish scenario, plausible or not, they would likely not survive. Star Trek had its own version of this with "red shirts" constantly being killed off the show. For a long time, if gays were portrayed at all, it was to be the butt of the jokes or literal punching bags. While it may have started with racism towards black people, one quickly comes to realize it can be applied to any sort of discrimination. Eye color, sexual orientation, gender, the disabled, hair color, religious ties, political beliefs, even the color or cut of clothing one wears. It quickly becomes evident that anyone with the basic knowledge of how to manipulate people, and the motivation to do so, can easily make a mob of "righteous" followers by feeding their egos and preying upon their insecurities. Unfortunately, until everyone is taught only to judge upon individual merits of a person, rather than trying to fit them in a box of a sub-class such as brown haired men, I fear we're stuck with discrimination in one form or another. Just because there are a few brown haired male serial killers, does that make all brown haired men one? Of course not, but it's quite easy to instill the belief that they are, and have society as a whole shift their view. One needs only to look at the concentration camps in North America for that. During the war with Japan, anyone who resembled a person Japanese descent, even if they were Chinese, Korean or otherwise was rounded up or at risk of it. As though somehow one's meat suit would equate to their personal beliefs or actions they may take. Sadly, I don't foresee anything changing in the near future. Governments frown upon the individual who steps out of line and thinks for themselves. The people need to be controlled for those in power to stay in power, and it turns out inciting a mob and turning the people against each other is a very easy way to keep that power over them. That's largely why there are so many divides drawn regardless of personal believes. Liberal or Conservative, one sports team or another, one religion or another, the list goes on. And if you don't choose a side, you're discriminated against by both. While I think this exercise shouldn't be necessary, I believe until society evolves to the point where there isn't discrimination, it's a necessary lesson. However, it will never become mandatory curriculum so long as discrimination remains a tool for governments to use to hold power.
@majavaxholm9314
@majavaxholm9314 9 ай бұрын
We, as humans, automatically place people in perceived boxes. The issue is human and unfortunately the solution is awareness. Awareness nowadays though is often perceived through a lense, which interprets information coorelating to our initial beliefs. Self insight and awareness are both required for a better world and is a difficult subject for most people to develop themselves in. On a more positive note- although globalization through the internet has some detrimental consequences to society, it often also expands an individuals awareness, knowledge and self insight.
@cincinnati4391
@cincinnati4391 9 ай бұрын
⁠@@majavaxholm9314The internet has not expanded knowledge in recent years except for those who purposefully seek it out. Additionally, it has created bigger echo chambers than what used to exist and I would say is overall more of a problem than a solution. It has caused us to walk back 50 years in the last 15, regrettably. A great invention which has been destroyed by algorithms and corporations.
@MinusMedley
@MinusMedley 9 ай бұрын
The mob mentality, all logic goes out the door.
@valharman4678
@valharman4678 9 ай бұрын
I fin it interesting that whilst Jane's experiment ran over a 2 day period there appears to be no parental response after day 1!!!
@cocoa6671
@cocoa6671 9 ай бұрын
kids probably didn't say much more to their parents than "we played a game that i didn't really like because of king's death" or something similar, and because they were so young it would be hard to actually explain to parents that the experiment involved them experiencing discrimination
@dr.altoclef9255
@dr.altoclef9255 9 ай бұрын
@@cocoa6671or like “teacher told us what discrimination was like” and they probably assumed she gave them some lecture of some kind.
@jefffoster912
@jefffoster912 9 ай бұрын
this is brilliant!
@GhirkoArt
@GhirkoArt 8 ай бұрын
We watched a German film in class, Die Welle (The Wave) which is based on a true story in which a class recreates a nazi-inspired order, which is very similar to these experiments. In the class, the students weren't segregated from each other directly however they made changes such as wearing a simple uniform and encouraged to only spend time with other uniformed students. They began to look down on anyone not in their class or wearing their uniform and it snowballed from there. Fantastic film, highly recommend
@everypitchcounts4875
@everypitchcounts4875 8 ай бұрын
The Third Wave? 1967 in Palo Alto California
@GhirkoArt
@GhirkoArt 8 ай бұрын
@@everypitchcounts4875 I believe that's the one
@braxtondavis393
@braxtondavis393 8 ай бұрын
I wasn’t raised racist. I just recognize patterns…
@leavemeal0ne378
@leavemeal0ne378 6 ай бұрын
I wasn't either, I just read history, most violent wars who caused those wars and highest pedo rates
@thomaslarson459
@thomaslarson459 7 ай бұрын
Oh my god! She taught them empathy! How horrible. (sarcasm).
@kristiskinner6485
@kristiskinner6485 9 ай бұрын
I went through this in the early 1980's. It was weird. I can say it made it easy to see through discriminatio tactics, but it felt wrong no matter which side was the favoured side. Including my blue eyed day.
@four_20hitman___97
@four_20hitman___97 8 ай бұрын
Just found this video and I get all Simon’s immediately. Wonder if KZbin’s messing with it
@alexpeltier3330
@alexpeltier3330 9 ай бұрын
Ironically, it was experiencing my own discrimination and problems in my life at school that helped me to understand things. I spoke German, and everyone I went to school with knew of my background since a parent used it for work. I had kids from fifth or sixth grade on calling me a N*zi and treating me badly on what I now realize were national origin grounds. Later in school, I made a friend who was an expat from a Muslim country, and it was, what, 2003? But because I knew it felt bad to be treated that way, I had no problem telling racist people or those who thought she had some fault in world events, where to go.
@djb3389
@djb3389 9 ай бұрын
That thumbnail really made me want to watch this a$ap like rocky
@MisakaMikotoDesu
@MisakaMikotoDesu 8 ай бұрын
An extremely unethical experiment to do.
@murrayscott9546
@murrayscott9546 9 ай бұрын
Brilliant experiment ! Everyone should throughj similar training.
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