The F40PH is immortal, they're remaking it again

[@MetraEverythingProductions]

The day Metra hears about this is the day their F40 fleet stays permanently

[@marcleslac2413]

Metra: GIMMEGIMMEGIMMEGIMMEGIMMEGIMME!

[@OwenConcorde]

@@MetraEverythingProductions And they’re still stuck in the 80s.

[@CedarLakeRailfanner]

@@OwenConcorde I mean not really because of the F59s, mp36s, and SD70s

[@ChuckE.CheesesIllinois]

Have you seen their Instagram? They love those things

[@mbtaghost2583]

MBTA is supposed to test these this fall. I wonder how that will end up

[@WorldwideRailfan]

Unfortunately the F40PH-4Cs are not actually Tier 4 compliant. It's just their new Perkins HEP units that are T4. The engines themselves will be the same Tier 0+ specifications as similar F40PH-3C locomotives seen on railroads like the MBTA. As for why they're going to Boston, it's because Rolling Stock Solutions is a Boston-based company with a working relationship with the MBTA. From what I've heard, they'll be painted into their teal and grey paint scheme by the MBTA, and will be tested in Massachusetts before potentially being leased by the MBTA, or any other passenger railroads in need of power

[@CarlosSempereChen]

Darn. We still have F40PHs on the Altamont Corridor Express in California and I wouldn't have minded them getting a new lease on life.

[@gdrriley420]

@@CarlosSempereChen these could gotten new prime movers at T3 and a T4 HEP engine but just like Caltrain ACE decided not to do that.

[@laurenscott4045]

Ths collab with via rail and mbta

[@spiralhillrailfan3768]

The F40PH is boutta be the B-52 of the Rails atp

[@a3denclaggett254]

@@spiralhillrailfan3768 lol true

[@andrewreynolds4949]

Either that or the SD40 / GP series!

[@AmtrakFunkandDiscoFan]

I agree.

[@DeMemeTrolley]

The F40s are like the crabs of the railroad

[@RosLounge]

Ain't no way we boutta get a Tier 4 F40 before GTA 6 💀💀

[@caseblaisdale3359]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Pensyfan19]

The whole purpose of Rolling Stock Solutions is to rebuild F40s to T4 standards so that they could lease them to commuter railroads who can't afford to purchase brand new engines, or just need an etxra engine or two while their main power is out for repairs. Trinity Railway Express for example recently purchased two F40s from LTEX and painted them in TRE colors so that they could have an extra engine or two for service between Dallas and Fort Worth. This company has been around for a year or two at this point, and they only recently made the news when one of their finished products was spotted on a CSX train en route to Boston for a proposed OCS train for MBTA, where theyll likely run with MBB coaches that are also in the process of renovation for OCS service. I feel the concept of rebuilding F40s for leasing service is a good idea overall, as it can also help with starting new passenger rail services elsewhere in the country if they don't have a budget to purchase brand new engines at the time, in addition to providing extra power for existing lines.

[@frostbyte3978]

TEXRail purchased them or TRE?

[@MBTA1067]

Hello good sir

[@marcleslac2413]

@@Pensyfan19 wait we're the 2 LTEX, ex AMT, I presume?

[@Pensyfan19]

@@frostbyte3978 fixed, I meant to say TRE.

[@marcleslac2413]

​@@Pensyfan19ohhhh

[@erict5234]

Apparently, you can't read... it's the SAME 645e3b prime mover. It is NOT tier 4. Same tier 0 rebuilt without the governor and smart start added... They also added a separate HEP engine (which is tier 4)

[@woodalexander]

@@erict5234 Yeah this guy seems unable to read the specs he's showing on screen. You can't really complain about horsepower when the prime mover isn't changing. They should significantly reduce idling/in station emissions by having a separate Tier 4 HEP engine and auto start/stop.

[@joncalon190]

Canadian here. VIA Rail has been running these things for quite a long time now and have proven them reliable. When they removed the parasitic load of the HEP off the prime mover, it allows all three thousand horses to go to the rail. As a result, one can haul a good 20 stainless steel cars across the country with only two locos where in the past, they needed three to do the same thing. Or perhaps one is just hauling a few cars on the Corridor at up to a hundred mph without any issues getting up to speed. Frankly, those extra thousand horses means a heavier engine, more fuel usage which equals more money out the exhaust stack, and for what? a few seconds less to get up to track speed from a station stop?

[@Edward2Fan47]

If Amtrak bought those, it could be a little nostalgic.

[@AmtrakFunkandDiscoFan]

Dude, I agree man.

[@Edward2Fan47]

@@AmtrakFunkandDiscoFan Though if Amtrak does buy them, I wonder which route they would them for or replace the Dash 8s.

[@AmtrakFunkandDiscoFan]

@Edward2Fan47 Ooh, that's an interesting idea, my man. Though I love the Dash 8s. I was so mesmerized to find out the F40PH was immortal.

[@TheRailfan360]

It would be interesting to see an F40 in phase VII

[@AmtrakFunkandDiscoFan]

@@TheRailfan360 Hmm, if it was used for Surfliner, it could be in the Surfliner Charger scheme or F59PHI scheme.

[@RaisedLetter]

"This remanufactured F40PH has 3000 horsepower" So it literally has the same amount of horsepower it was originally built with... I don't see the relevance of knocking the horsepower when that's all it's needed for the past 50 years in their history. Only 3,000 hp (sometimes 3200) and a top speed of 95 MPH. There is no need to reinvent the wheel here.

[@solidcoldtwo]

The reason why these still have 3000 HP is because thats pretty much all the (16 cylinder) 645 prime mover can put out, anymore and issues start to arise. An example of this is the ill-fated SD50. I wonder if any railroads will repower their F40s with newer 710s like what Amtrak California did to their F59s.

[@mrvwbug4423]

MP36s run the 645 uprated to 3600hp, but that is mostly to compensate for the extra weight of the MP36 and it's CEM cab. MPI just needs to shove a tier 4 GEVO in the MPXpress instead of the weird and expensive MP54C genset which was built that way at the request of GO Transit.

[@blackbirdgaming8147]

@@mrvwbug4423 I doubt WABTEC will do it due to them having no desire to produce further passenger locomotives. Had the HSP46 not been such a disaster, I think a tier 4 version would have happened. The GEVO-powered HSP46 meets tier 3.

[@zephyrstrains2842]

The horsepower difference may seem like its a big issue. But for commuter rail operators, the F40's previously already good acceleration is a very attractive ability. Part of the reason the F40's have been rebuilt so many times is that no company has been able to replicate the F40's efficiency when it comes to quick stops and acceleration.

[@mrvwbug4423]

The MP36 comes to mind, but it's basically a F40PH under the bodywork, just uprated to 3600hp and a bit heavier due to FRA CEM standards.

[@OfficialSEIC2K6]

As an F40PH fan myself, im excited for this tier 4 F40PH. Thanks Rolling Stock Solutions for bringing the F40PH back. F40PH-4C will be interesting

[@WestPac-ny9vi]

Only the HEP is Tier 4, the Prime Mover is Teir 0+

[@OhioCentralModeler]

There will still be F40PHs in daily service when the last Charger is retired. The F40PH is to passenger locomotives what the B52 is to military aircraft.

[@doubleutubefan5]

I love the f40ph. There's something about this noisy boxcar that is so lovable

[@dwrb321]

Just because the HEP mover is Tier 4 doesn't make the unit Tier 4. There is no way to make a 645 or even 710 Tier 4. That is a very misleading claim. And 3000 is the original HP, no surprise there either.

[@andrewreynolds4949]

710 can make Tier 3 though

[@nanoweber250]

​@@andrewreynolds4949To get a 710 prime mover to EPA Tier 4 would require a aftermarket exhaust kit, North Carolina DOT a few years ago overhaul their entire fleet of F59 and F59PHI to Tier 4 using a aftermarket exhaust kit,so far it's working.

[@alexrobison19]

Norfolk southern figured out how to make the 710 tier 4 compliant but more than likely we’ll never see it any real capacity anywhere but there on their GP/SD34Ecos

[@mrvwbug4423]

Would the 1010 prime mover even fit in there? I'm sure a Cummins QSK95 would.

[@dwrb321]

@alexrobison19 DEF after treatment, requires a separate tank usually mounted next to the fuel tank. Depending on how much space there is that reduces fuel capacity.

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

F40PH: I didn't hear no bell Although, to be honest, I see Alstom as more likely to make a tier 4 locomotive that is able to compete with Siemens and have some ability to stand up to the Charger since Alstom is pretty much Siemens' closest competitor

[@andrewreynolds4949]

My guess is a competitor would be some sort of joint venture; say Alstom and Progress Rail, or Stadler and Wabtec, as random examples

[@mrvwbug4423]

The last passenger diesel loco Alstom built was the UK class 67, which was the guts of a class 66 crammed into a bit more streamlined body and geared for 125mph, still the 730G prime mover rated at 3500hp. They currently exclusively pull passenger trains for Transport for Wales and are probably the nicest trains TfW runs.

[@mrvwbug4423]

@@andrewreynolds4949 Stadler would need to figure out how to meet noise regulations, they have a habit for making their diesels a bit loud. The only people who appreciate the sound of the UK class 68 are railfans, not the people who live near the tracks. Which is funny since the class 68 is a tier 4, and uses a CAT C175 prime mover like the F125, just the 16 cylinder version rated at 3600hp.

[@rottenroads1982]

Will the “This Thing Won’t Die” become a Meme?

[@CedarLakeRailfanner]

Metra must me going crazy over this

[@TheWinnipegRailfan]

Im so hyped for the next VIA F40 rebuilds honestly, lol

[@VestedUTuber]

"Caltrain is going to go to battery before they even consider these" Honestly, I see overhead lines in the future more than anything. Well, maybe not at first, but eventually even the people at Union Pacific are going to get fed up with having to deal with battery range and realize "hey, let's just cut the middleman and put up catenary". The reason why they haven't so far is because they can still get away with diesel biofuel blends at the moment. But Battery Electric locomotives only make sense in a yard where they have easy access to a charger.

[@pacificostudios]

I agree that no Southern California operator will want a rebuilt F40PH, and the politics behind Siemens being in Florin, CA is not part of why. 3000 HP is just too low for use almost anywhere in California. Sorrento Grade, Altamont Pass, Santa Susana Pass, Soledad Canyon -- these are all places where passenger trains need muscle and the Charger has that.

[@mrvwbug4423]

The MP36 makes it up the grades in Antelope Valley, it's power to weight is around the same as it's heavier than the F40 due to the CEM rated cab, the extra 600hp is mostly there for the extra weight. Though to be fair the MP36 doesn't exactly fly up those grades, a 30mph mountain pass isn't exactly a challenge for a 3600hp loco pulling 4-5 cars.

[@pacificostudios]

@@mrvwbug4423 - Well, I know that NCTD had to double-head all trains longer than 5 cars, which is important during Comic Con. That's why they leapt at the chance to get Chargers. I'm not sure what the grades there actually are on the AV line, but Sorrento and Rose Canyon grades are both near 2%.

[@blackbirdgaming8147]

@@pacificostudiosIt’s not the horsepower that is the issue. The issue is the minimum continuous speed rating. Due to the F40s being geared so high, the minimum continuous speed also increased, and tractive effort decreased considerably vs the standard 62:15 gear ratio most second generation freight EMDs had. That’s what necessitated two units. Needed to stay above minimum continuous speed to avoid burning up traction motors, and increase tractive effort by adding another unit to further decrease traction motor load with that many cars. The only way to combat the issue would’ve been to lower the gearing. That’s why the Grand Canyon Railway lowered the gearing on all their F40s to 62:15 (65 mph), it increases tractive effort by a lot, increases tonnage, and helps combat the intense grades they encounter considerably. That just wasn’t an option for NCTD since track speed in several areas was 90.

[@pacificostudios]

@@blackbirdgaming8147 - Thank you, that's interesting. You are right about the 90 MPH requirement. Not long ago, I was on a Charger-powered Coaster that left Oceanside late and we hit 90 MPH through Carlsbad and Leucadia. That's normal for Amtrak with Chargers or the old F59PHI's but I'd never experienced such a fast ride on NCTD. The GPS speedometer on my phone is very accurate, once it settles down.

[@harysuper]

If the Music City Star ever expands service they need some of these! I wish metrolink the service where I live would do this with their lone F40. This company could probably rebuild their F59s too.

[@Ventek_OFFICIAL]

The F40PH is so back in business

[@MBTA1067]

If yall don't know where the 3C is the MBTA (Boston) Uses it

[@mbtaghost2583]

MBTA is getting a hold of these engines. I am excited to see them and get some photos and clips

[@railfan104]

LONG LIVE THE F40PH 🗣🗣

[@AmtrakOtakuVtuberTransitFan09]

“We have officially given the F40PH, a BOOTY” is one of the most hilarious statements I’ve ever heard about a locomotive 🤣🤣

[@rorirocks6663]

Just like the BUFF, the F40PH is for ever

[@glemanimations3758]

If the F59PHI's are modified to become tier-4 regulated and then returns to the pacific surfliners, I will be happy. But that will 90% not happen.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Won't happen, the PHIs also have major issues with corrision and are rotting out from the inside.

[@2010train1]

these F40PH's were built to last

[@ericsundell9978]

I mean, the f40 is a proven, known reliable locomotive that crews and shop staff like and know how to operate and maintain. There's a reason there's still a tremendous amount of 40 series EMD's out there earning their keep. They work, and are fantastic engines. Most legacy EMD products are wonderful machines and I enjoy running them and would take one on my consist any day of the week. Maybe this outfit can just bring back the SD40-2 while they're at it haha

[@Ashtonthecsx1871fan]

Nice video, bro! For your trip to Norcal, I would like for you to stop in a town called Corcoran, home of the Amtrak San Joaquin, and 70 MPH intermodal trains. You will really feel the wind. Enjoy your trip, pal!

[@Liam-n7h]

5008: F40PH PLEASE JUST DIE Meanwhile F40PH: I Always Come Back.

[@maas1208]

I wonder if William Afton was one of the people who designed the F40PH

[@united002]

THE REAL ETERNAL ENGINE!!!!!!!

[@wilfstor3078]

Instantly recognized the render is just a VIA Rail F40PH-2D, although a few of those aforementioned engines are being sent out for rebuild AGAIN apparently. And others have mentioned this before me, but only the HEP Genset in that sheet was Tier 4, the prime mover is same old same old, a Tier 0+ 16-645, only with 200 less horsepower than the majority of F40s on the rails at the moment.

[@Bayarearailphotos]

And ofc it’s the day after Caltrain retires there F40s! 😤😤

[@ShadyCreeper964]

What's the next F40 remake going to be? Will it use ac traction and inverters?

[@Btraffers]

So the all the 3000hp of the prime mover is used for traction because of the seperate hep. The 4000-4400hp units often sacrifice 500-900hp to HEP.

[@RaisedLetter]

I'm wondering if they'll find a way to strike a deal with Caltrain and Caltrans. Getting those recently retired F40's off of Caltrain would be just what they need but I believe Caltrain needs to disable the engine since the prime movers themselves would only be upgraded as far as Tier 0+. Or maybe they're only rebuilding them as far as whichever railroad requires them.

[@blackbirdgaming8147]

The tricky part with the Caltrain units is they’re basically unusable. The prime mover has to be replaced with a tier 4 option because it’s tied up in EPA grant stuff. Putting a Tier 0+ option in would be illegal for those units specifically.

[@NorthAtlanticRails]

4:08 I think I know why they kept the 3,000hp and that's because when EMD tried to make a 3,500hp EMD645E3 engine when making the SD50, it was way too powerful for the engine itself to handle which made them extremely problematic

[@Chescat124]

As a Metra foamer, I see this as an absolute win (We might get a 218)

[@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory]

as the creator of Joe this would be absolutely wild

[@TsalagiRailfan]

Metra already won’t stop using these things, so it was always destined to be immortal. The F40s have long been the perfect power for commuter rail. Maybe not perfect for heavy passenger, but perfectly made for commuter rail, and Metra will always find a way to keep them around.

[@darryldworak6356]

Can they do that with the F59PH and PHI?

[@AmtrakFunkandDiscoFan]

Both the EMD F59PH and F59PHI use the EMD 710 engine, which it has been upgraded to Tier 3 standards.

[@Icehammer723]

Ok correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the F125 that LAs Metrolink use an EMD Locomotive. Why don't Metra just buy alot of them rather then buy 30 year old freight Locomotives?

[@mrvwbug4423]

They cost as much as a Charger, and use a CAT prime mover instead of an EMD prime mover.

[@jasperli]

Caterpillar engine, not EMD engine. METRA only like EMD engine.

[@dbolt6543]

Chargers have 1800 rpm engines which will probably wear out sooner the the old 645s. If you want a high horse power engine with head end power look at either MPI 40ACs or the MPI 54ACs, both of which run on go transit and haul 12 car bi-level coaches. The MPI 54ACs are true tier 4 engines.

[@Tuxedo2707]

VIA rail rebuilt their f40s in the early 2010s and as of right now have the -2d specification but it wouldn't surprise me if they rebuilt them again and painted them in this new charger scheme which would look very cursed

[@maas1208]

Yippee!!!

[@bbtrainproductions1225]

Amazing video!

[@3xfaster]

Horsepower doesn’t matter when all the driveshaft energy is technically moving a generator for the prime mover traction motor. I think it’s impressive that they are still able to improve emissions and fuel efficiency for the unit.

[@irondiamondrailproductions9038]

If they build new F40s, they need to use the Winnebago cab or something similar, the old cab has terrible aerodynamics.

[@Abandonedchannel21]

Man, I can’t wait for this new F40ph I’m a huge fan of those locomotives can’t wait to see them in service again

[@ok0wen]

MBTA 1001 has already been rebuilt to this specification and there’s photos of it circulating

[@ChuckE.CheesesIllinois]

Metra: F40PH, F40PH everywhere

[@NoNonesenseRick]

Look people need to stop getting on metra for the EMD'S! They deal with emd's because EMD is a chicago based company in which most to all ph -40's were made in the chicagoland area, most of the parts are made still here and they can get them same day and they can still get quality part from the because they are owned by Cat! Which is a company that was chicagoland based for many years. Trust me. You wouldn't want a rolling piece of crap on your rails especially if you can't even fix or get parts for it.

[@andrewreynolds4949]

Plus EMD engines are very reliable, at the cost of usually not being particularly new

[@mrvwbug4423]

Which makes me surprised that Metra hasn't bought the F125

[@nanoweber250]

​@@mrvwbug4423EMD Progress Rail doesn't make the F125 locomotive anymore.Metrolink is the only agency that has them in their fleet and they even have issues with them.

[@TheRailfan360]

I mean, considering how well made the F40-PH is, I think it's completely deserving of having revamps of it to continue its awesome legacy.

[@SeanBodine]

GM really knew what they were doing when they built this engine.

[@TheQuebecRailfan]

Via rail already started rebuilding them and there was a f40 power move yesterday in Québec

[@paulmccallum4229]

LOL new drinking game ......take a drink everytime he's says tier 4 F40......even tho only the HEP is tier 4.....the prime is still the same old 2stroke 645.

[@gdrriley420]

NOT T4, only T4 HEP while the prime mover is T0+ because they aren't going to be MPI getting the 645 to T2 or swapping to a 710 which EMD happily sells as a T3. A 710 V12 T3 takes the same amount of space as a 645 V16 at T0+ while making 3300HP up from the 3000 most 645 V16 make but down slightly from the 3600HP MPI version does. Caltrans would be insane to buy rebuilt F40, We've got 30 F59phi we could rebuild to T3+ with T4 HEP that are significantly newer assuming you convince CARB that the T3+ prime movers with bio fuel which partial meet T4 standards are good enough. The Chargers will their issues sorted when they get a rebuild and a support contract from Siemens. Dash8 and P40/42 HP numbers aren't as high as they seem. The P40/42 drop down to 3550HP when they are asked to provide HEP and can get as low as 2500HP while providing HEP. The dash 8 are even worse starting at 2700HP and falling to 1700HP under full HEP load. Its rare that the GE get a full HEP load outside of auto train but they still aren't as powerful as they seem

[@mrvwbug4423]

A lot of the auto trains aren't running the dash 8 in the consist anymore, a lot of em are just running 3x P42s, and only one of these needs to provide HEP, the other 2 can operate at full power. This is also why the P32DM performs better than people expect. It has a separate HEP engine which was necessary to power HEP while the train is in 3rd rail mode, so it's prime mover is never asked to run HEP.

[@steamship999]

F40 gonna become the dead man marching again

[@Mcnibbus]

The only thing GE this thing is close to in terms of horse power is the p32. Both the p32 acdm and the p32-8bwh are 3200 HP. dash 8s generally stick around 4000 to 4400 HP

[@mrvwbug4423]

The P32DM uses the 12 cylinder 7FDL prime mover, they did that to free up room for a HEP engine and the 3rd rail transformers for dual mode operations. It's putting about the same power to the rail as the P42DC since the P42, while it has 1000hp more as it uses the 16 cylinder 7FDL is also running HEP off the prime mover so is also only putting about 3200hp to the rail when running HEP. But in the case of the P42 it can put full power to the rail when not running HEP, so a 2+ engine consist of P42s only needs 1 running HEP.

[@thefattrainengineer2024]

The F-40 is the work horse of the railroad as the MD-80 was to the airlines but the F-40 is still around unlike the md-80

[@JOEMAMA_534]

They announced these 2 years ago iirc, but it’s definitely a sight to behold

[@ShadyCreeper964]

The F40ph is like Springtrap from Five Nights at Freddy's. It always comes back.

[@maas1208]

LMAO

[@TheWarbonnet660]

At this point, the f40 will never die

[@rilma5216]

I remember these when Amtrak use to be on the Atlantic city line back in the 90s. Id love to see NJ transit buy some for the line again. Theyd be fine here because its not a heavily traveled line and we have old gp 40s now.

[@Nils_Ki]

Maybe a new EMD powered locomotive for passenger trains would make sense for America. But I would suggest inviting Stadler to design and build it. Why does it need to look like a dinosaur on wheels? And why does America still not want to build dual cab locomotives? They are so much more convenient for train building.

[@TheSmallestShayInExistance]

funny how the day you upload this is the last day of caltrain diesel operations

[@mrvwbug4423]

This also doesn't fix the extremely high emissions of the F40s, which is unhealthy for passengers riding behind them. CalTrain just did emissions testing of the F40s to compare to the electrics and the emissions in the passenger cars behind the F40s when they're in lead is as bad as the city of Dehli, one of the most polluted cities on earth.

[@ModMokkaMatti]

The people of Delhi wipe their rumps with their hands and then shake yours with them whilst eating and without washing them, so what's your point?

[@mrvwbug4423]

@@ModMokkaMatti The air pollution is the point. It has the worst air quality in the world due to millions of vehicles driving around without emissions controls, coal power plants in the vicinity with no emissions controls and extensive burning of slash piles at the end of the harvest season.

[@trainglen22]

This looks like the Via rail rebuilt F40PH'S. So this means that they will outlive the Chargers.

[@b30233]

LEGENDS NEVER DIE

[@tiernanstrains]

Where did you hear that VIA is interested in these? They've already rebuilt all of their F40s into basically this same spec. The only thing I can think of is that it'd be part of the long distance fleet replacement RFPs. I would seriously hope not...

[@rfirtfan2809]

I rode behind these on VIA Rail last year, I have a lot of pictures of them

[@CoffeePot31]

Wow! EMD's F40PH IS IMMORTAL! I hope that VIA Rail Canada purchases some of those locomotives! 😁😁😁

[@ponteirodorato]

Wait, that's literally the passenger train that appears in GTA San Andreas!

[@user-mk6qr1wq4b]

Amtrakguy365 would be happy tho

[@HartfordLineRailfan6707]

Amtrak needs to buy them. ESPECIALLY for all the smaller routes they have. (prime example: THE HARTFORD LINE)

[@andrewreynolds4949]

Amtrak not only has enough money to get new Siemens units which will be more fuel efficient, but they’re also getting train sets to go with them which are capable both electric and diesel operation, specifically for routes such as the Hartford line

[@HartfordLineRailfan6707]

@@andrewreynolds4949 and the Siemens equipment has given not only Amtrak but other operators a ton of issues.

[@woodalexander]

They should electrify the Hartford Line (which in Amtrak parlance is actually the Springfield Line).

[@HartfordLineRailfan6707]

@@woodalexander yeah but will they really? I've heard Amtrak is thinking of selling the line to the state (Conndot)

[@woodalexander]

@@HartfordLineRailfan6707 Probably not because there is no planning or foresight with any of this stuff.

[@MetroMenTransitProductions]

Awesome!!! I love th F40ss

[@BHudak]

Horsepower is ok for shorter trains. I do not expect this on longer main trains. What I understant, that the engine will have more horsepower, because of electronic injection + there will be more power to the wheels, because of the more powerful HEP

[@mrvwbug4423]

On MBTA the F40s are usually pulling 5 cars max. The bigger double decker consists are usually pulled by the HSP-46s which have a LOT more power. I'm more surprised MBTA didn't ask for a tier 4 HSP-46, that would be easy to do just plunk in a tier 4 GEVO engine.

[@BHudak]

@@mrvwbug4423 higher tier means higher maintence cost and less reliability than the simple old engine. Maybee that was the case.

[@anthonyangelici2963]

I love the F40PH’s. Always have and always will. Chargers are UGLY.

[@Adam_Gunia]

@@anthonyangelici2963 I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds the Chargers to be ugly.

[@thefattrainengineer2024]

They could’ve also added a Draper taper to it If you don’t know what a Draper taper is Amtrak guy 365 has a very good video about them

[@BritishRail60062]

The way I see it. If its still solid and is functional. Why spend more on new builds when these could be repurposed?

[@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory]

HAHAHHAHAHA BACK AND BETTER THAN EVER LOVE THESE THINGS

[@Occasion77]

Quick question what are those prong like protrusions on the Coaster Charger locomotives at the back?

[@IAmAnonymyz]

CalTrain isn't going battery. They are electrifying the line. The EMUS just had their "inaugural run" last week. As far as the "lack of power" issue. Its using a standalone HEP Unit which doesn't create parasitic drag on prime mover which frees up lost Horsepower to be used towards generating tractive effort. That's why you see the increased fuel economy which if it TRULY is 10% that is HUGE. It also allows for reduced operational, training, and maintenance costs because Engineers and Maintenance Crews won't have to go through training on a new locomotive and most passenger lines that already run the F40PH won't have to invest in parts inventory. Its a win win win from an operational, maintence and business standpoint while making an effort to meet these stupid government emissions regulations

[@Official5008Creations]

When I mentioned Caltrans battery units, I was referring to the California Department of Transportation which goes by Caltrans, not CalTrain

[@IAmAnonymyz]

​​@@Official5008Creations I rewatched it and it sounded like Caltrain lol my bad .... Electrification of the Surfliner and Capital Corridor would make more sense..... But then you run into the UP Issue... Lol.... Battery Powered would be laughable because the first time a downed battery fails and blocks the mainline holding up a freight manifest there will be an utter SHIT STORM. California's history regarding ANYTHING emissions related is cringe worthy at best as the state LOVES to implement standards and regulations that are designed to look good on paper but are complete shit in practicality, Ask the San Jose School District about THAT one.... I like the idea of another F40PH revision though. It's been a proven workhorse for what 50 years? Sure the power is lower but it's always been around 3000hp and has gotten the job done. Plus it's reliable and the switch to electronic fuel injection will actually make it EASIER to work on

[@mile290productions3]

Good God. how many times is Via Rail gonna rebuild their F40s???

[@dat1rirailfan]

We all know that the F40PH was made by EMD, but VIA Rail is making them look like they were made by GE

[@tonyburzio4107]

Why? Because the motor in the Siemens Charger has.a defective on/off system that erroneously flushes oil out of the cylinders, causing a scuff mark on the sleeve. Later when the engine is pushed to Run 8 with a heavy train, the motor explodes. Oddly enough, this motor is also used in trucks, where it has the same problem. Whoops!

[@mrvwbug4423]

The only truck that could run an engine that size would be one of those giant dump trucks used in mines. From what I've heard the derate on the ALC-42s has helped a lot with reliability and SC-44s may end up all getting rebuilt to ALC-42 standards.

[@nanoweber250]

​​​​@@mrvwbug4423Wouldn't surprise me if a mechanical engineer at Amtrak Beech Grove is looking at the car body of a charger loco to see if they can replace the Cummins QSK95 engine with either a GEVO or EMD Progress Rail 710 Tier4 prime mover. Cummins knows about the piston scuff problem on the QSK95 engine but no fix has been made public.

[@mrvwbug4423]

@@nanoweber250 I thought the 1030 was the only tier 4 EMD engine? That one probably won't fit in a F40 or Charger.

[@commodoresbank]

This is absolutely ridiculous knowing they will continue to use locomotives dating almost 50 years in age. And Metra’s not gonna back down on retiring their F40 fleet anytime soon.

[@BattleshipOrion]

Let's be honest, that 3,000hp Is just how much power the engine can make if it was directly coupled to the wheels....

[@coleallen3895]

I wonder if Metra will EVER retire their F40PH fleet

[@laurenscott4045]

Did anyone see the horse power before he said how much it was?

[@codyrapp7253]

Same amount of HP as the SD40-2.

[@ArchsStanton]

*This IS the equivalent of taking 4-4-0 "american locomotives" from the 1870s and putting bigger tenders on them and claiming to be "more efficient"........*

[@RANDOMCNWGUY]

Metra will not give them up after this

[@Rook00]

f40 Fridays forever!!!

[@Elliottblancher]

So They Basically used the Rebuilt design VIA used on their fleet

[@rail-ryder7135]

They could be doing it for Metra.

[@cryorig_transit05]

Why battery when wires exist? Caltrain for example.

[@tonyburzio4107]

Maintenance cost of wires.

[@andrewreynolds4949]

Wires are expensive to put up

[@cryorig_transit05]

@andrewreynolds4949 Expensive now, but it'll pay itself.

[@mrvwbug4423]

@@andrewreynolds4949 but in the long term it is cheaper than battery. Battery trains are just tech bro bullshit. Only place battery trains belong is for use as yard shunters.

[@andrewreynolds4949]

@@mrvwbug4423 That's what diesel is for. No need to put up wires, and can be cheaper to run and maintain than electrified rail

[@mrvwbug4423]

It's not a Tier 4 prime mover just a tier 4 HEP engine, they can't do a true tier 4 refurb of these because the F40 cab doesn't meet FRA CEM standards, right now it would be better to do a tier 4 refurb of the MP36 fleet as they're 30 years newer and do meet FRA CEM standards, most likely prime mover being a tier 4 GEVO because Wabtech. Metra really just needs to buy the F125