The Factions of the First Age Explained

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Darth Gandalf

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@jakobfriesen6039 2 ай бұрын

A first age show would be so badass if it was done properly. I can’t stress the “done properly“ part enough

@j.d.5626 4 күн бұрын

Maybe in 10 years or whenever this wave of wokenism bs fades

@christiansenator 2 ай бұрын

Cirdan just chillin for like 11,000 years

@concept5631 2 ай бұрын

Respect

@georgelugenalt200 2 ай бұрын

Well if you call the first age about 11k years, then the second 3500 and the Third Age 3000, that makes him about 17,500 at the end of it all. And he was not a mere spectator either, he got one of the three rings from Celebrimbor that he ended up giving to Gandalf, so he knew Celebrimbor, and his dad Celegorm, and his grandfather Feanor. Also he was with Elrond in the Siege of Barad-dur, supporting Gil-Galad (son of Fingon, who was son of Fingolfin) who was killed by Sauron's fiery hot hand. So he was active in the First and Second Age, more idle in the Third, like most of the Elves, until the end when the war of the Ring broke out. Anyway whatever.

@alanpennie 2 ай бұрын

Chilldan.

@DarthGandalfYT 2 ай бұрын

Just chillin and buildin boats.

@concept5631 2 ай бұрын

@@DarthGandalfYT Gotta respect the 11,000+ year grind

@talesoftheeldar8688 2 ай бұрын

Finally a First Age video

@muenchhausenmusic 2 ай бұрын

The First Age kicks fucking ass!

@ryancarter1080 2 ай бұрын

This lack of unity and acknowledgment of the high king was still a problem in the second age. When Sauron as Annatar arrived Gil-Galad banished him from his kingdom. But Celimbrimbor despite being his vassal and technically being part of his kingdom didn’t follow that command and welcomed Annatar. Showing how little control the high king had over the other kings and lords. We all know how that turned out

@sukitron5415 2 ай бұрын

Wasn't Eregion technically not part of the Kingdom of Lindon? First, Celeborn and Galadriel and then Celebrimbor ruled over it

@ryancarter1080 2 ай бұрын

@@sukitron5415 He was a vassal of Gil-Galad, acknowledging Gil-Galad as his overlord as High King of the Noldor. Think of it like the Holy Roman Empire, all within it swore loyalty to the Emperor but in reality they were mostly independent

@spacejunk2186 2 ай бұрын

High Kingship also didn't mean shit at that point and was more something that falls into your lap than something you claim. Kingship with elves also works differently from humans.

@ghostdreamer7272 2 ай бұрын

They were autonomous. But still under the High King. It seems the Elves had disunity in general in the early Second Age, with both Noldor and Sindar leaving Lindon for new settlements at various points. To Evendim, Dol Amroth, Eregion, some to existing Greenwood and Lorien. Lindon was supposed to be for both, it had two other chief havens/cities, one for each Noldor and Sindar, with Lindon divided geographically that way too, and Gil-Galad was said to be part Sindar too (or the Teleri of Valinor, especially confirmed if you accept he’s a grandson of Finarfin as Tolkien intended, ignoring Christopher’s admitted error in the published Silmarillion).

@DarthGandalfYT 2 ай бұрын

That's a really good point actually.

@pico1136 2 ай бұрын

I'd love to see a video listing and describing all the Dwarven realms that we know of (Nogrost, Belegost, the Blue mountains in the late third age, Gundabad, Grey Mountains, Iron hills, Khazad Dum, Erebor, Nulukkizdin etc)

@concept5631 2 ай бұрын

If Fëanor and his children had spent half as much time fighting Morgoth as they did killing elves they'd have gotten the Silmarils.

@georgelugenalt200 2 ай бұрын

Good point, but I don't think even then it would have happened. Remember, Eonwe said on behalf of Manwe that Feanor could not overcome Morgoth, even if Eru had made him thrice what he was. "But thou Feanor Finwe's son, by your oath are exiled. The lies of Melkor you shall unlearn in bitterness. Vala he is, thou sayest. Then you have sworn in vain, for none of the Valar can you overcome now or ever within the halls of Ea (the world) not tho Eru whom you name had made you thrice greater than you are"

@chrisstorrer 7 күн бұрын

@@georgelugenalt200 That's what I was going to say

@4Bobay 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for this cool video. The Elves of the Falas and the House of Beor are my two favorites. Also a shout out to Mablung and Beleg Strongbow of Doriath for joining the Noldor host of Fingon during the Battle of Unnumbered Tears. Finally a suggestion for a First Age video: The travels of Tuor: Hithlum, Mount Taras, Gondolin and sailing West. Thank you.

@chrisstorrer 7 күн бұрын

The travels of Tuor Is one of my favorite characters

@ciaranrocks9787 2 ай бұрын

A video on the various Half-Elven bloodlines and how they interlace with each other through the ages before becoming reunited in the Fourth Age would be a good idea for a video on a First Age topic I think.

@ghostdreamer7272 2 ай бұрын

That’s a little too simple though. Maybe expand it to include the ones less talked about, like in Dol Amroth and other possibilities. Or maybe how many of the Numenoreans/Dunedain/Gondorians could probably trace their ancestry back to Elros directly after enough time. They couldn’t have all been only children. We know Aragorn’s mother had some descent too, as well as Halbrand, and the Stewards.

@MrKurtank 2 ай бұрын

I wish more of the 1st and 2nd age was explored on this channel. The 1st Age is just mythic, a time of heroes but the connection is real when the major players of the 3rd Age are counted. The light shone on Glorfindel feels odd in the LotR because he is so vastly storied and heroic while the mention so brief; and yet those who fell about him in his moment of triumph could be counted even greater, many being his friends and relatives!!!! This is the sense of scale one gains with exposure to the Silmarillion lore. Thank you, as always.

@lukasmeier9245 2 ай бұрын

It's a shame that we don't know more about what happened to the house of Bor.

@ghostdreamer7272 2 ай бұрын

They should have counted among the Edain.

@superslayerguy 2 ай бұрын

Honey wake up Darth Gandalf just uploaded a factions of the first age video

@General12th 2 ай бұрын

Hi Darth! I love the First Age! I love the Years of the Trees even more.

@_anneli_ 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely love the First Age, thank you so much for covering it 🥰

@ulbingelias6894 2 ай бұрын

Wonderful video 👍. I would find it interesting to see video about the army sizes of the first age or the elven military in general.

@turinturambar1159 2 ай бұрын

Not sure if you have a video like this already, but if you're looking for ideas for other videos I would say so one just like this. I quite liked this, and I think a video about the different parts of the Silmarillion - even if mostly just the war of the jewells would be cool, although it all deserves attention. You've mentioned all of the different factions and how they interacted, how about the different plot points of the story, and what they meant for each of these people? Either way, this was awesome, thank you for the videos!

@RobbyBurney 2 ай бұрын

There's a topic that hasn't been covered by any LotR content creator I've been keeping track of. Divine Intervention in Hobbit + LotR. There are a dozen+ noticable and author noted examples in the four texts

@anthonymartell9880 2 ай бұрын

Agreed. I was wondering if he could do a video on why Eru intervened against Sauron 2 times but why He never intervened against Morgoth

@alwaysfardown 2 ай бұрын

I believe I recall girlnextgondor touching upon the subject once or twice. Don't recall the video tho, and I don't think it was the main topic but you could take a look.

@tombaker4998 2 ай бұрын

Great video. I always wondered why the silmarill did not burn King Thingol when he touched the gem. Seems to only burn elf killers only per Varda’s hollowing, and no other evil act.

@alanpennie 2 ай бұрын

I don't think he'd done anything particularly evil. Being a dick at times, yeah.

@DarthGandalfYT 2 ай бұрын

@@alanpennie Yeah, exactly. Thingol wasn't exactly the nicest guy, but it's hard to say that he'd committed any "crimes".

@tombaker4998 2 ай бұрын

@@DarthGandalfYT @alanpennie The lore masters usually avoid highlighting any blame on most of the elven kings for anything. Thingol’s desire for stolen property not his own cost him his only daughter. I was hoping you would say the silmarill did not burn the dwarves after they killed Thingol.

@SuperCory1973 2 ай бұрын

I'd love a video on "The Faithful Stone" story from Unfinished Tales. The Druedain are such an interesting corner of the mythos and Tolkien, to my knowledge, didn't do many standalone short stories like that one.

@saladinbob 2 ай бұрын

The First Age is my favourite Age. The Third Age is rather mundane in comparison, and as much as I love the LoTR I think the First Age is where Tolkien's best stories lie.

@HarrisonFletcher56 2 ай бұрын

Would love to see a first age strength breakdown of certain factions. 10k from Gondolin is a solid number but I think it can be extrapolated upon for some of the other elven nations, such as Hithlum and the Feanorians. Thanks ! Great work!

@michaelgrey1351 2 ай бұрын

Great video. If you're taking suggestions on FA topics I'd love a breakdown of each region during that time.

@WhoIsCalli 2 ай бұрын

Great overview, thanks for this

@cavetroll666 2 ай бұрын

Thanks Darth for the video cheers from forchel (canada)

@bristleconepine4120 2 ай бұрын

I was wondering if you were going to go into the factions within the Valar, e.g. the Counsel of Ulmo versus the Doom of Mandos.

@johnwiles4391 2 ай бұрын

I'd love to see a video on the Willow Meads of Tasarinan, They were always terribly evocative and mysterious to me.

@stanleypumpingengine0251 2 ай бұрын

One idea for a First Age video might be on the Petty Dwarves. There seems to be a lot of confusion in the wider Tolkien community as to whether the Petty Dwarves were formed by outcasts of all seven clans (this i personally find unlikely) or if they were formed from the outcasts of the two clans of the Blue Mountains. There’s also some interesting details about the character of Mîm. Tolkien even wrote a whole poem on this character titled Mîm’s Complaint. It’s only found in a German edition of a book of poetry but thankfully I managed to buy a copy and translated it. It’s quite good. It establishes that Mîm had some dwelling place in Dorthonion. Though its unclear when in the timeline its exactly meant to take place.

@agustingomez1575 2 ай бұрын

@12:00 So there WAS an elf named Denethor in the first age! At first I was sure of it, but then began to think I was thinking of Ecthelion of the Fountain, the elf from Gondolin. Completely off-topic, I know, but I wanted to comment it nonetheless.

@joshthomasmoorenew 2 ай бұрын

I think commander/leader video going over each 1st ages factions best and worst commanders/leaders. As i think some of them don't get enough credit, for example Fingon, he was pretty much the first ages top commander and saved a lot of nations from destruction or at least saved the people to move to saver lands, he also managed to help cool tensions down with the Feanorians and hes only got one real loss that being the battle that killed him at that wasn't even his fault it was a subordinate and some carefully targeted cruelty on Morgoths part.

@DarthGandalfYT 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, Fingon is super underrated. Gets overshadowed by the fact that his father tried to 1v1 a literal god.

@bundayeti 2 ай бұрын

The "Realm of The Helm and Bow" is a short-lived, yet impressive faction. Turin needs more acknowledgement for what good he actually accomplished.

@georgelugenalt200 2 ай бұрын

Yep. More First Age and Second age stuff is needed. No fake stuff just stick to the lore but emphasize details where possible.

@meliodasschreiber1664 2 ай бұрын

When will you do the History of all of Middle Earth / Arda? Also History of the Dwarfs :D?

@alanmike6883 2 ай бұрын

Very nice Darth 👍

@SisekoIzwelethu 2 ай бұрын

Well, thats the Feanorion spirit for you. Even the High-kingship originally belonged to the House of Feanor, you'd think that its only right it would eventually end up with Fingonlfin's line rather,well considering their works of beauty would be the very same thing that would to lead to countless misfortunes that would befall their own kinsmen, notwithstanding the kinslayin of Aquallonde to the sacking of Eregion just to mention a few.

@khayreeluqman 2 ай бұрын

We need a video about : could thingol kingdom if they helped would’ve turned around the battle of unnumbered tears! His kingdom was definitely the strongest or top 2nd after gondolin

@wedgeantillies66 5 күн бұрын

The infighting, Disunity and lack of trust between the elves, men and dwarves of the first age, blighted their ability to fight morgoth as well as sapping their strength in senseless conflicts. Making any resistance to morgoths rule untenable or sustainable in the long run.

@noehirschi1367 2 ай бұрын

Could you do a video on Makar and Meassë ?

@christoperwallace6197 2 ай бұрын

My head cannon is the loyal easterlings had survivors, who were the ancestors of the Nirtmen and Rohirrim

@istari0 2 ай бұрын

The ancestors of the Rohirrim were kin to the Edain but they didn't go to Beleriand like the Edain did.

@janekduda7548 2 ай бұрын

Can you do a video about what happened in "our"middle earth during the first age.

@nekomimi5471 2 ай бұрын

Well-done!🎉

@DrTSquare 2 ай бұрын

Fam we LOVE the first age and the ages before. Do something on the years of the trees. The death of Finwe. The first Kinslaying. Heck, Ungoliant and the great spiders. Despite being the shortest of the ages the first age probably has the most action. Even if it’s you talking about why Celegorm and Curufin were terrible elves (Caranthir is my least favourite, no wonder Ulfang could deceive him lol).

@istari0 2 ай бұрын

The 1st Age began when the Elves awoke at Lake Cuiviénen in the Year of the Trees 1050 so in solar years it lasted about 4900 years.

@DrTSquare 2 ай бұрын

@@istari0 whoa. I’d always thought the years of the trees were the age before the first age. Thank you for this. My mind is blown😂

@alanmike6883 2 ай бұрын

I have a question. What would've happened if the sons of feanor refuse to accept loss of kingship

@daniels7907 2 ай бұрын

Still can't believe that the Elves didn't get fed up with Feanor's murderous sons and kill them all to stop their attacks. They were more trouble than they were worth.

@billychops1280 2 ай бұрын

Maedhros did become king, he wasn’t captured before it could happen, he became king the literal Nano second Feanor died. This is evident by the fact that his forces and Brothers followed his plan and were essentially stun blocked by his capture

@LeonKong-w9v 2 ай бұрын

Can we get a video on Ciryatandor?

@ghostdreamer7272 2 ай бұрын

It’s all the Silmaril, for all the bad relations. I wonder why the faithful allied Easterlings weren’t counted among the Edain. And I wonder if the betrayer clan, being allied to the aggressive Feanorians, could have been pushed them over by those Feanorians if there was unfair treatment.

@DarthGandalfYT 2 ай бұрын

I think the House of Bor were probably wiped out. As for the other Easterlings, I don't think the Feanorians would've pushed them to the other side. Tolkien suggests that they may have been traitors before they even crossed the mountains.

@yorktown99 2 ай бұрын

For most of it's existence, Doriath was magically protected by Melian. When Thingol was murdered, Melian forsook her physical form and departed. Dior, their grandson, assumed the kingship of Doriath, but did not have the same magical protection for the realm. In his day, Dior was regarded as the most beautiful and fair, blending the heritage of Elves, Men, and Maiar, while wearing a Silmaril around his neck on a glittering, golden chain forged by the Dwarves. When the Sons of Feanor invoked their Oath and invaded, his daughter Elwing fled with others to the Falas, taking refuge at the Mouth of the Sirion. There she met and wed Earendil the Mariner (son of Tuor and Idril, herself daughter of Turgon). When the Sons of Feanor attacked, their twin sons Elrond & Elros were taken hostage and raised by Maglor. Alone among the Sons of Feanor, Maglor is said to have survived into the Second Age.

@istari0 2 ай бұрын

There was a letter that recently came to light where Tolkien changed Maglor's fate to throwing himself into the sea along with the Silmaril he had.

@Tar-Elenion 2 ай бұрын

Feanor did not become king. Though he claimed the kingship, this was rejected by the most part of the Noldor, who refused to renounce Fingolfin's kingship. Maedhros relinquished his claim to the kingship. Not the kingship itself (which he did not have). Gil-galad as son of Orodreth does not seem to have been sent to the Falas, but rather, escaped the sack of Nargothrond and went to the Mouths of Sirion: "(Their mother was a Sindarin lady of the North. She called her son Gil-galad.) Rodnor Gil-galad escaped and eventually came to Sirion’s Mouth and was King of the Ñoldor there." PoMe, Shibboleth, The parentage of Gil-galad

@thorshammer7883 2 ай бұрын

Alot of the Elf leaders of these factions had a mixtures of bad attributes and committing to unwise thought processes that were extremely self sabotaging and contributed to the unneeded falls of their realms and the slaughtering of their peoples and nations. Many had tunnel vision, impatience, short sightedness, blind to their worldview assumptions, or worse prideful and unhumble morons in some form or practice. You have nearly all these immortals who can't age and are suppose to have foresight and good objective wisdom yet many of the leader keep making the worse decisions ever with little coercion and solidarity. Many of them didn't practice enough strong incentive and agency like they should have done in this drastic situation which was urgent. Even some of the noble and humble characters made critical mistakes that was a near complete strageic or logistic loss to their kingdoms and tribes in their decision making dooming many of their citizens in the long run. Likely resulting in tens of millions dying within the century of Morgoth's launching a full frontal grinding campaign with millions of orcs, trolls, and other abomniable creatures they had in large reserves. Fingolfin shouldn't have gone alone to duel Morgoth at his frontgate. Without him who was a powerhouse of a Elf, the strongest and shriftest of all the Elves in comparison at the time there was essentially very little respect for the level of authority around and willful submission to that authority. Fingolfin should have known the Sons of Feanor were overly secretive, with little restraint and were lacking incentive in their ambitious attitudes would ultimately lead dissensions which would lead to lingering strife. And how many of the elves already living in Middle Earth including the ones from outside the realms of the Teleri elves had to pay the price of the various factions leaderships actions or lack there of? I don't like sounding pessimistic or unrighteously mocking the Noldor characters in the book but in truth they had alot of responsibilities they didn't fulfill properly despite knowing the wars of annihilation they were in against the evil wicked forces of Morgoth and messed up so many times in a complied series of events contributing to so many regular folk dying in the consequences. I hold some compassion for the Avari and men from the east who didn't join Morgoth's alliances. They likely little comprehension of how bad the scope of the conflict was and were experiencing the after effects of it. Then it would eventually lead to the 40 year long war of wrath came and a entire section of a continent collapsed as a new sea bed. And who knows how many innocent casualties there were in the process if the Valar host were able to evaluate most of them at all and were left with very little to regain their living once more. It was nearly book of First Enoch levels bad with the some of the good things is that it was mainly concentrated on a section of a continent and not worldwide like it was in the Pre Flood days. The last thing you want is a entire evil society of monsters and 200 fallen angelics exalting themselves as gods when they are evil beings taking over the world. Especially when they are doing it through intelligent diplomatic means before removing their masks revealing their true intentions once the deeds are already done. Now that's a nightmare and be glad Morgoth's fruits weren't nearly as cunning and effectively executed as the villians of First Enoch were.