The Fall of Babylon's Fall | Castle Super Beast Clips

[@melbezarus]

With that "I can save them" at the end, this is a good week for feeding of Woolie sadness.

[@crazygamer4260]

They clearly don't want to be seeing as they pitched this game to square and made a studio 2 years ago to make live service games

[@robertwallen1582]

At least they got Bayo 3 out

[@GriffGalore]

In film we call it "give'em something to hate" so the director/producer coming in has something obvious they can get rid of. It's so real.

[@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski]

that might be a feature of every type of work. give the higher ups an obvious, but secretly trivial, target to change or remove to protect what actually matters from upper management that just HAS to meddle because they can't not flex their power because they get off from it, that's why they pursued supervisory positions to begin with. every organization with any hierarchy is suffuse with those toxic people:

[@PowerPakGames]

Thanks so much to Woolie and Pat once again for the shout out to my video. The game now looks like it's flopping as hard as anyone could have predicted. It's sad. I do hope Platinum survives this, but the game really is this bad. The low scores and bad sales aren't undeserved, and that kills me. I want the fun old days of Platinum again! I can only hope Bayonetta 3 turns out well...

[@BOTC201]

That was a great video and yeah it's sad to see the state platinum is in.

[@NaderinZim]

Maybe it is a Bioware type problem of "everyone that made the good old games left a long time ago".

[@randominternetsurfersurfin7595]

69 likes, nice

[@Pak_Industrial]

Best case scenario Bayo3 saves the company. Worst case it's their glorious swan song return to form before they disband and reform as another small company like they did with clover and then into platinum. And then the cycle begins again.

[@Velrikk]

@@NaderinZim Takahisa Taura and Kamiya are still there, personally I blame Square Enix for releasing it in such a busy month with barely any marketing and probably making the the become a live service, the first trailer and the actual product are so different

[@YoBeezick]

the bit about the devs putting a sound effect or funny hat as bait for the producer is 100% accurate ive done independent contract work for some companies and commission stuff right, and I've definitely done that cause clients always want to make changes so they feel like they got their moneys worth/did their job and it absolutely works

[@xsoultillerx]

i always remember the stories about how how one of the writers of morrowind would send in bad ideas first so his actual ideas would be accepted. or how grant morrison during the new 52 era at DC would send his stories to editorial literally the day of his deadline so it would be too late for editorial to make any changes.

[@appleseed8282]

@@xsoultillerx Or how that one intro card from Adventure Time that was originally sent in as Finn violently murdering Jake with a knife so they could replace it with him just holding the knife over Jake. It didn't work, in the end the knife got replaced with a baguette and they were made to smile.

[@xsoultillerx]

@@appleseed8282 i remember that. they probably would've gotten away with it if they weren't so graphic with it in the first place.

[@hellaflaws]

Even if this game was halfway decent, the sheer amount of MASS Elden Ring has would both literally and figuratively pull people back in

[@god47398]

yeah even if it was platinums best game, itd be completely fucked

[@jimecherry]

@@god47398 good thing platinum's nier is getting an anime, leaves an escape rout incase square tries to buy them ;}

[@god47398]

@@jimecherry uhhhhh squenix owns nier lol

[@jimecherry]

@@god47398 guess it's time for platinum to pack up and start selling the office furniture they'll no longer need ;}

[@smward87]

@@god47398 A platinum game completely bombing is par for the course. This is just a rare occasion where it bombed and is actually pretty terrible at the same time. Nier: Automata will always be the exception to the Platinum curse (or more accurately the Clover curse)

[@zachh2922]

Platinum is basically on life support until Bayo 3 comes out, after that who knows.

[@suburbhermit8792]

Lmao, their not on life support. Square Enix is if they key up these failed projects.

[@headquarterproductions1484]

well-

[@joebin3106]

Yikes 😬

[@7U57HTJRYGHG]

hmmmmmm

[@GoodlyPenguin]

Well...

[@Pak_Industrial]

RIP Platnium. Killed by: literally everyone they ever worked for.

[@thelaughingrouge]

God I wish that wasn't so completely accurate.

[@leithaziz2716]

As someone who recently played Metal Gear Rising, that hurts. STOP MAKING PACHINKO GAMES AND MAKE MGR2 KONAMI!

[@FierinMahLazor]

Nintendo is their best working relationship huh? That's kinda sad.

[@pyropoyo]

I mean this one was kinda on them. They made a whole new studio to focus on a live service game. I don't think you can just blame Squeenix on Babylon's Fall.

[@BNik92]

Platinum is infamously awful to work with. They randomly just... Go completely stupid.

[@leithaziz2716]

The term "PS2 game" is a strange insult seeing how broad that description is when it comes to how PS2 games can look. Some still look great to this day, like Okami amongst lots of other examples. I feel like "Early HD era" fits better. Lots of bloom, weird filters, low framerate, overuse of letterbox, constant screentearing, etc.

[@mortified0]

Some PS2 games STILL look great. MGS3 looks fantastic to this very day!

[@NaderinZim]

It's more like "this is bad for today's standarts", not so much "Ps2 games looked like shit".

[@BIGBLUBLUR]

@@NaderinZim yeah. I well and truly don't understand how there are still people that take it to mean "PS2 games look horrible" as opposed to "this game looks like the baseline of what graphical fidelity was generally capable of 20 years ago".

[@TheMilhouseExperience]

It’s like saying “This game looks like SH3.” Is that supposed to be an insult?

[@slifer875]

Kids screaming that KOF15 looks like a ps2 game was their way of yelling at the top of their lungs how braindead they are.

[@crazygamer4260]

"If you keep rolling the dice you'll eventually get it." THEY DID, THEY HAVE FF14

[@PokeBattlerJaze]

“BUT WHAT IF WE HAD ANOTHER THOUGH?” -every major company

[@priceyyeti4058]

"NO! We got lightning in a bottle before, I want to do it AGAIN! With MY NAME on it!"

[@MrDalisclock]

InFiNiTE PeRpEtUaL GrOwTh

[@janematthews9087]

And like they said, YoshiP is fighting tooth and nail everyday to keep upper management as far away from his game as much as possible. The stories YoshiP tells about fighting the lady that runs the squeenix storefront...

[@chillhour6155]

Yep, and somehow still, They needed to sacrifice Platinum's rep in the name of greed

[@PerpetualDaydreamer]

I was so confused when I heard the game was getting slammed because I remembered all the excitement for the original. This definitely cleared that up, thanks. Releasing that on the same day as Elden Ring, too. Friggin' WOW.

[@leithaziz2716]

I never heard of the original Babylon's Fall before. Now I'm pretty curious about what that project looked like in its first inception. This sounds a lot like corporate meddling getting in the way.

[@PerpetualDaydreamer]

@@leithaziz2716 Absolutely. I'm gonna watch the video they mentioned because I'm fascinated but also blown away.

[@moddrew546]

Seeing that move only compounds my suspicions that they knew this game was gonna be a dud, so they decided to let die by releasing the Demo on the day of another game that was so gonna kick it's ass Absolutely depressing

[@Ducilios]

I used to joke about the SBFP being basically the entire Platinum games marketing team since they love their games so much and chill them at every opportunity. I am as sad as they are about this game turning out the way it did.

[@funimationsucks5366]

Wow… this live service idea sounds like it’s gonna be fucking lit for Platinum.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Bye Bye Babylon Begone~

[@SoaringLettuce]

Oh hey, Cryoshell

[@liamcooper8451]

Bionicle Band

[@jacksonboyd8630]

Fuck yeah

[@Ultimaniacx4]

I can't wait to see the Wha Happun episode.

[@Horatio787]

Christ...

[@Dragonsmana]

It should be noted that in 2020, Platinum set up a whole new studio in Tokyo specifically dedicated to live service game development. As much blame as you want to put on Square, Platinum wants to get on the GAAS model with or without them, regardless of Babylon's success or failure (which it is obviously the latter).

[@SuperfieldCrUn]

I knew that Platinum set up a new studio, I didn't know that that studio was going to focus entirely on live services. That's a real bummer. Hope that their single player linear action games from the main studio do gangbusters and their live service crap from the B-team continue to fail so that they can get them working on something worthwhile.

[@god47398]

how would that shift blame away from square enix lol

[@Dragonsmana]

@@god47398 It doesn't for Babylon's Fall. But it shows that Platinum is doing GAAS regardless.

[@Dirtyboots3strikes]

that's still on Square. There was never talks of any Live-service by PG until they started work for SE. They could've just put the idea into PG's head and it stuck there.

[@Dragonsmana]

@@Dirtyboots3strikes so you're saying a completely independent developer set up a satellite studio, with its own money to work on it's own projects all because of a publisher they aren't owned by?

[@MrZEPYRO]

Listening to this made me buy all the Platinum Games on Steam. I don’t wanna get TellTale’d again

[@CaptainTitforce]

Wish I could buy Transformers:Devastation still

[@leithaziz2716]

@@CaptainTitforce I played it once thanks to PS Plus and (predictably) played only Optimus for the whole playthrough. Pretty fun.

[@SuperWHIIITE]

The only difference between Babylons fall and Scalebound is that Kamiya said no.

[@Mr.Faust3]

Reportly Babylon’s fall currently has 650ish players yeah it’s definitely a flop for square and platinum not only is the game bad it came out while people are still playing elden ring

[@manjackson2772]

650 thousand? Million?

[@randominternetsurfersurfin7595]

@@manjackson2772 650

[@Mr.Faust3]

@@manjackson2772 counting the demo it peaked at 1,188 and dropped to 602 players reportly these are based on steam numbers

[@MrDalisclock]

I read that as 650k players and went "that seems pretty good". Then I looked again and realized that was "650ish" and not "650k". So yeah....

[@Xifko]

I'm expecting to see: "Babylon's Fall - What happened" at some point whenever the details of development shows up

[@Lonequacker]

So you mean whenever Matt will read an updated Wikipedia page?

[@Alexander-nr5tt]

"Babylon's Fall - I will speculate what happened because I don't really know and haven't done any original research"

[@jeangreffsbp]

Ill sum it up CEO likes Live Service Square Enix makes another stupid decision in a row

[@superequinox4185]

Anthem was a warning of things to come

[@hyonizaki000]

I feel like Platinum's "luster" has always been wildly inconsistent. But now people are tired of ignoring it.

[@hyonizaki000]

Maybe not "tired of ignoring". That implies bias. But the Ls outnumber the Ws and it's just more noticeable now.

[@PonrokoArchive]

@@hyonizaki000 Yeah I mean for wins we have Bayo, cant argue with that. 101 was good but sold poorly. Nier was good and sold well but to be honest the gameplay was less than amazing oh and Astral chan was good too but for some reason its really easy to forget

[@Dr_Ki11enger]

@@PonrokoArchive dont forget the meme-factory that is Metal Gear Rising

[@PonrokoArchive]

@@Dr_Ki11enger Oh yeah I did forget that that was a good game.

[@TheZkiller]

I'm get hate for this but to me Platinum's best games were Metal Gear Rising, Vanquish and than Ananchy Reigns. Everything else to me has been press the right trigger to doge and slow time and do a sick combo.

[@lastlunarrun6418]

SE have Platinum do a remake of Dirge of Cerberus it'll be lit

[@Janzer_]

if it pays the bills, eh. i'm more concerned with platinum being alive, than if they put out a banger each time.

[@thenegromancer4695]

What is absolutely hilarious is that in the first teaser the enemies reacted to your attacks with flinches now they just kinda look like they have a nervous tick

[@tempheror112]

Imma be real. As soon as we got details about this game, I immediately knew it would flop. But this was far worse than anything I couldve imagined. I know platinum basically made this with a gun to there head and that they want to branch out from their standard style, but jesus this was awful. At least on the bright side, devs can point to this as the biggest "I told you so" for awhile.

[@dippycord1678]

But the problem with that is obviously square enix doesn't give a fuck if there game flops they just keep pumping them out

[@ninboy01]

@@dippycord1678 They can afford to hit or miss, because they know their “mainline” Final Fantasy titles will sell; which always dwarf the sales of their next-best sellers anyway. It wouldn’t be so bad if it were a case of them giving their devs room to experiment and try new things, and they just didn’t sell well because the concept didn’t click with audiences. But it is always them shipping intentional garbage to make quick cash.

[@pyropoyo]

People are quick to jump at Squeenix to protect Platinum, but I really do think the blame is mainly on Platinum. I don't know who exactly, but someone at Platinum really wanted a live service game to work out. Now they've gone and blown their foot off with a shotgun. I hope they don't bleed out from this. Or, at the very least, I hope Bayonetta 3 is one of the best swan songs ever released.

[@jimecherry]

if platinum dies from one flop and no one buys them out their execs should be thrown in jail for criminal negligence and fraud ;}

[@Tuck752]

@@jimecherry except it’s not one flop platinum has a history of games not selling well

[@jimecherry]

@@Tuck752 but nier and Astral chain sold so they shouldn't be in dire straights also they have a mobile game and a remaster that didn't take a lot of money to make

[@joescannoli7660]

@@jimecherry that’s 2 games of a whole storied catalogue of poor performing games, even rising performed mildly at its time of release, not to mention that when working at this level any substantial money they could’ve got from nier and astral chain, which I believe didn’t sold *that* well, has been blown through by development for other projects not to mention they opened a whole new studio branch for live service games, and that’s a huge capital sink.

[@ToniDasQuasi]

Anybody else notice how passionate woolie got when he started talking about pies?

[@thatguythere5411]

I've heard a lot of people saying this is probably just as much Platinum's fault as it is Square Enix's. Supposedly, Platinum came to Square with the idea. Take that into account along with multiple statements from high level Platinum execs stating this is the direction they want to go, and it's pretty clear there's some internal problems at comapny. It's really starting to look like it's not just the publisher keeping them down anymore.

[@jimecherry]

one bad live service game doesnt actually indicate a trend though. however 3 bad live service games does equal a trend on square.

[@Liberty_or_Ded]

Fleekazoid's newest vid made me seek out these two old relics from my teens and 20s again.

[@Coconut-219]

The uncanny feeling of a game looking like a "bad first-generation xbox 360 game" I know exactly what you're talking about.

[@BlumenCT]

I mean we know Platinum wants to make games like this.

[@RicochetForce]

Man, it finally happened. We’re seeing Platinum fall apart just as we saw BioWare.

[@liamcooper8451]

If there was any time for a delay to fix things up, now would have absolutely been the time while everyone and their dog is playing Elden Ring

[@therentpursuer9869]

A Kamiya-less directed Bayonetta game and Sol Cresta are the last lines of defense for Platinum? Well shit

[@ElvenSonic]

wasnt bayo 2 also kamiya-less? I mean i don’t like it more than the first one but that game is pretty fuckin rad

[@Alexander-nr5tt]

People jerk off Kamiya way too much. It's not necessary for him to direct Bayo 3 at all.

[@Sigismund697]

Between this and Sol Cresta one word is coming to mind whenever I hear Platinum: Telltale

[@antoniusrexplays9657]

Man when I played this demo and saw that they had a premium pass and currency after they expect you to pay for it I just uninstalled. I love Platinum Games but boy this one is rough.

[@JoelBurger]

According to what we know, SE wasn't the ones who pushed for the live-service model, that was all Platinum. So let's not pretend Platinum is some poor victim here, they're fully capable of making terrible decisions on their own.

[@Dragonsmana]

On their own, Platinum set up a live service Tokyo studio in 2020 with the investments they received. As easy as it is to blame the publisher, Platinum clearly is also looking to get into the GAAS model with or without Square as a source of revenue.

[@zztzgza]

We'll see all the details in the post mortem.

[@jeangreffsbp]

Oh i know, its just that SE is even more retarded for banking this right after Avengers Remember, Deus Ex died for Avengers

[@leithaziz2716]

Y'know, hearing about Nosgoth is so dissapointing as someone who recently discovered the Legacy of Kain series. Those games are awesome and deserved a better fate than what they got. Ironic, considering the themes of Legacy of Kain are rejecting fate.

[@slifer875]

Nothing will ever come close to that level of story telling and voice acting, LOK was waaaay too beautiful to exist in the modern shitty game industry reality.

[@vaan_]

Legacy of Kain easily has the best written story of any game series in the medium... It's clear that someone either at Crystal Dynamics or Square Enix wanted to revive the franchise, and Nosgoth, the DLC for Lara Croft: Temple of Osiris, and the Dead Sun cancelled project were all desperate attempts to bring attention back to the franchise. It sucks but the series will always be left in that open ending that Defiance had, but it could always had been worse. Now Amy Hennig is president of a development studio that is making a game for Marvel... not exactly the place to go for interesting narratives. I don't think we'll ever see another series with a story that fleshed out.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@vaan_ If im honest, im content with the open ending of Defiance. It's satisfactory enough.

[@keenanbeatrice8842]

Pat and Woolie pathological inability to blame Platinum for there own mistakes is getting annoying. Reminder, there the ones who pitched BF as a live service game to Square from the start. Square did not force this on them, they did not grab the reins and change the game’s direction. This failure is on Platinum first and foremost, coming up with excuses for them at this point is embarrassing

[@dvnmaycry]

What doesn't make sense is what they made was absolutely a single player game when they first showed it. It was turned into a live service game later so the idea they always intended it to be one doesn't feel intuitive or true off the bat

[@darkfirecheetah]

@@dvnmaycry Dude they literally opened a second studio to focus on live service games. Square didn't make them. And we have all seen "first shown" footage turn out to be vertical slice lies tons of times, Platinum is not immune to that

[@Xhog0]

These two should know fully well at this point that worshipping a company name and thinking they can do no wrong is a bad idea. We literally saw Bungie being just as much at fault for Destiny as Activision after they went independent so it’s not always just the publisher.

[@Alexander-nr5tt]

From Square Enix's own mouth: “Square Enix made the request for PlatinumGames to develop the game,” explains producer Junichi Ehara. “The topics we asked for were ‘high fantasy’, ‘hack and slash’, ‘co-op play’ and ‘live-service’.”

[@kapkant6197]

At this current rate Platinum is falling apart so fast that in a few weeks I'll be able to commission them to make a Kill La Kill game for about $20 cause they'll be that desperate

[@danielr.7062]

Nah they'll make some random licensed game again. Can't wait for the hack and slash spongebob game.

[@kapkant6197]

@@danielr.7062 Unironically sounds kinda raw, I change my request to that

[@joescannoli7660]

@@danielr.7062 fuuuuuck, can you imagine if suckerpunch did their own version of that spongebob superhero game? Infamous squared pants would be lit af.

[@LE0NSKA]

I just hope Platinum just shat on that project once the suits came in, and were like "do the BARE MINIMUM and focus so you can work on the next project as soon as possible" I just hope there were aware enough.. early enough... I don't want them to die.. not again

[@drewburke97]

They could easily break the Platinum curse, they just need to find a publisher that will just let them do what they do best and not chain them to a bad concept, and that game will SELL

[@cloudrider9142]

The closest they’ve come to such a publisher or relationship is with Nintendo, who single-handedly saved Bayonetta from being a one-off. They also need(ed) that niche filled, since they don’t have that many hardcore action games/franchises. (No God of War or Devil May Cry) Apart from them, the only publisher I can realistically see going for Platinum and kinda meshing well with them, would be Capcom. The idea would be, to let Itsuno make Dragon‘s Dogma and Kamiya returns to Devil May Cry or something like that. Otherwise I see no publisher to work with PG…

[@MrLego3160]

They chained themselves to GaaS

[@jeangreffsbp]

@@cloudrider9142 Kamiya would butcher Devil May Cry, he wants it to be more like the new god of war game, DMC is Itsuno's baby now and no one will take it away from him

[@jimecherry]

@@jeangreffsbp i would be down for a well grounded dmc spinnoff

[@versebuchanan512]

I am shocked to hear that a game I never even heard of has been subpar. SHOCKED. Well, not that shocked.

[@floppytokey]

PG needs a big hit ASAP. Hopefully Bayo3 saves them.

[@joedatius]

I'm worried Bayo3 is just gonna be another Bayo2 and honestly that's just not good enough to save them especially when its shackled to only being on Switch

[@tokyobassist]

That's on Nintendo fans. They gotta support it.

[@franzhopper7631]

That's assuming Bayo 3 even comes out

[@jeangreffsbp]

Its a switch exclusive It wont

[@god47398]

@@franzhopper7631 lol it was soft-cancelled until that brand new trailer in december, its gonna come out

[@PonrokoArchive]

Platinum never loses its lustre except for all of the times it does

[@Fidel_Cashflow]

creative business unit 3 is literally the reason square enix hasn't gone bankrupt.

[@TestAcct46]

No one's gonna be playing Babylon's Godfall in a month

[@MisterAnimann]

Nobody's playing it now

[@Alexander-nr5tt]

The Automata collab at the end of the month will bring some people in.

[@GrugGangGrugGang]

The best part of that is that Godfall is a significantly better game that has healthier player numbers now than Babylon does at launch. Not only did they launch into Elden Ring and Horizon, but against a game that does everything they are trying to do, but better, with a name that alludes to it. Even then, Godfall isn't exactly spectacular. The dizziest height they could have ever achieved would been "Decent enough", why bother?

[@xenoboost]

Wasn't scalebound an amicable situation? Didnt both sides admitted it wouldn't really work? Would that be a shit publisher situation then?

[@d4c935]

It was but Woolie can't let Platinum take any blame.

[@dvnmaycry]

No one believes that cause every time they showed the game it was changed drastically in intent and scope and then nothing for a long time before confirmed done.

[@theotherjared9824]

If this game is as much of a financial burden platinum as reports say it is, it's only a matter of time before they get bought outright. My bet is on nintendo because they're the only ones that seem to treat platinum with any kind of care and respect.

[@luan.galaxy]

The most unexpected couple

[@flamingcheese4650]

The fall of Babylon's Fall is accurate to the lore of the biblical story of Babylon and how humanity was punished for their hubris by having their ability to communicate with language removed. 100% working as intended.

[@CompagnonDeMisere25]

I saw adverts for Babylon's Fall and thought it was just some shitty mobile game, no fucking idea that it was an actual Platinum game. How the mighty have fallen...

[@aerodblade1601]

2:45 absolutely agree with pat. I'm pretty sure it took me 15-20 painful minutes of trying to figure out how to create an account to play ff14 on PC and then 30 more painful minutes a month later when I was trying to buy the game.

[@Necrikus]

Yeah, the big issue with chasing the GAS train and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle is that they aren't pulling the lever of a slot machine, they are making products that need to attract and retain a customer base. These people should know better than me that every failure degrades their reputation among their customer base and within their own industry, and that makes their next attempt even less likely to succeed. They'd probably make more money just spending all that otherwise wasted time and resources on making a standard, but high quality game.

[@Horatio787]

We learned nothing from the WoW clones. Nothing.

[@lordxmugen]

@@Horatio787 WoW clones literally DESTROYED an entire genre and the basic perception of what it is. All to go after a "perceived need" that was actually long since sated by the original game itself. Was it so difficult to imagine that if people wanted to play WoW, they would "just play WoW"? I guess so.

[@Horatio787]

@@lordxmugen There was a warhammer mmo (it died). The most popular warhammer game right now is a strategy/rts, with a hyped 3rd person action shooter on the horizon.

[@lordxmugen]

@@Horatio787 And said Warhammer MMO was a PVP centric and focused game (because of course it is. Its Warhammer!) turned into a sub WoW clone too late into development by the parent company (EA) and it basically died on the spot for that. During that time NO MMO in development could get away from being turned into a WoW. Even something like Guild Wars, which was fine as a 1-20 PvE and PvP centric game, had to become this 1-80 bloated mess that just hobbles along because Blizzard. It was so sad.

[@Horatio787]

@@lordxmugen I suppose that's why Runescape is still around. It was all about preparing for your adventures and not just showing up with enough people. So it retained its niche.

[@BetaManicCommand]

I don't want Platinum to die like this!

[@d.c.stranded7134]

I'm not against companies like Platinum Games pursuing a multiplayer just don't go into the deep end of pseudo MMO live services where only at best a few have become successful ie Digital Extremes, instead try lowering the bar a little like an Anarchy Reigns 2 or something, heck you want to make it a Square Enix project? How about a another game like Echoes of Time/Rings of Fate, but don't make it live service.

[@savethprince]

the video they're talking about : kzbin.info/www/bejne/pH7OYZh7rrGgr9k

[@Sercotani]

thanks man

[@gearhead417]

This reminds me of Sleeping Dogs where Activision stepped in and tried to make it a Rush Hour style game and then abandoned it. Only for Square to ship the game and then go on to try to make an MMO sequel that no one wanted.

[@Curmett]

Square should've asked Platinum to do the combat for a Sleeping Dogs sequel.

[@leithaziz2716]

Nooo, why did you have to remind me of what happened to Sleeping Dogs? That game was awesome.

[@SoaringLettuce]

Why does this happen every time? Like, there's gotta be some sort of problem at Platinum for this to happen every single time.

[@jimecherry]

yeah cause nier was so bad ;} also platinum has nothing to do with avengers which was pretty bad and a live service published by square

[@joescannoli7660]

@@jimecherry that’s one for all their repertoire, the standouts of quality, both in product and sales being automata, bayo, rising and automata was more taro than platinum.

[@jkbobful]

Hopefully FF strangers of paradise is good since Team Ninja did a pretty good job with Nioh

[@palecurve]

The two demos were bangers, I've got high hopes

[@theangriestpigeon4403]

Pat is honestly uncomfortably right. Platinum is on its last legs and Bayo 3 will either make or break that company. I'm going to be real, I don't have high hopes.

[@adams3627]

Bayo 3 will be good because Nintendo will not allow them to release a bad title. Squeenix clearly doesn't give a shit.

[@theangriestpigeon4403]

@@adams3627 being good doesn't really matter for platinum when they put out a number of good titles that underperformed. "Platinum Curse" is a thing

[@SonplaysMinEcraft]

@@adams3627 *looks at eshop games on sale for 1 cent*

[@danielr.7062]

@@SonplaysMinEcraft Those games aren't published by Nintendo though, but that's not that good an argument either when you remember Star Fox Zero or Devil's Third.

[@crazygamer4260]

It's because they want to remain independent/publish their own shit so they shit like make deals with tencent or even announce 2 years ago they made a new studio just to make live service games

[@swagtasticpanda]

real shit, it surprises me more that platinum doesn't just bite the nail and make a gacha game out of bayonetta to pay for the rent in their house. even fucking gamefreak of all things did that to pay for part of there pokemon sword and shield dlc after the director of pokemon masters apologized for making a shitty mobile game before gamefreak and nintendo bent Katsuyuki Shiga's arm to the breaking point until PMEX became decent. I'll always have a place in my heart for platinum games and there weirdo touch but it's difficult to feel remorse about this kind of news considering platinum has been eating hoagie-sized L's like this for atleast the past 6-7 years.

[@d4c935]

The thing is that they don't own Bayo, Sega does.

[@swagtasticpanda]

@@d4c935 i thought that changed with the release of Bayonetta 2? that game was paid for with all Nintendo money. it would be weird for Sega to own the character rights, yet refuse to pay for a sequel considering how much bank Bayonetta 1 made.

[@d4c935]

@@swagtasticpanda Bayo didn't make bank hence why they needed Nintendo to fund 2. Sega still owns the IP they just licensed the publishing rights for 2 and 3 to Nintendo.

[@swagtasticpanda]

@@d4c935 aaah, that makes sense. sorry for the mixup.

[@TheMrrccava]

Coming off of 3 full clips of elden ring talk this is ROUGH but fr fuck this game its egregiously terrible and monetized

[@crazygamer4260]

I don't think that Platinum is totally innocent here seeing as they said the idea for babylon fall was "Nier Automata but it never ends." And they've made bad games before like Korra and TMNT

[@CaptainTitforce]

I wouldn't say Korra was bad by any means. It was just very simple, most likely because of small budget from Activision. The game costed like 20 bucks when it came out, for a licensed game that's pretty cheap, considering how the combat actually works very well, it's just pretty simplistic compared to other good platinum games.

[@venomfuryx3250]

Speaking of Korra and TMNT, i still remember Woolie saying "you can't get more sicker than Platinum working on your IP, no matter what it is"

[@hatsunemikufanboy]

i get your point and agree but not that bit about korra but hey you have your opinion and i have ... the correct opinion

[@crazygamer4260]

@@venomfuryx3250 that's how we get shit like star fox 0

[@jackblack2408]

Squenix cannot put their fingers on the pie, Because Woolie stole all of them

[@Coswalker27]

i saw the account making account making screen and backed out so fast. like i straight up pulled out a random game disk.

[@SuperfieldCrUn]

They just announced that it's getting shut down this February. Didn't even last a year.

[@hachijospaniard5643]

Rest in piss.

[@theninjararar]

Could Nintendo buy platinum?

[@JohnathanFaust]

Seems like a decent chance.

[@joebin3106]

And Nintendo gonna jail all their game on a 10 year old console and charge you 60$ for a terrible collection in a limited time lmao

[@Tsunamidusher]

Cries in astral chain...

[@ItsDatCajunStuff]

Woolie mentioning pies made me nostalgic for the channel of yore.

[@phantomgoblin5540]

Okay i honestly wish this lead into a bigger discussion but A PLATINUM MONSTER HUNTER WOULD BE THE SICKEST SHIT like i already really like Mon Hun but having a platinum style combat and or reward system for Mon Hun would be too good to pass up (if done super right) and it would result in me no longer having a life outside my T.V screen

[@theotherjared9824]

I can vouch for pat about the square Enix account. I still don't know how to get the FF11 free trial I was interested in after 2 different support tickets that were responded to with total non-answers.

[@TLSaphireWolf]

Dammit square!

[@venomfuryx3250]

At least they didn't ruin Guardians...yet

[@Sercotani]

it might actually be Platinum's fault this time, but we probably might never know until the post-mortem.

[@Dirtyboots3strikes]

@@SercotaniI still think it's on Square. From the start. Yes, it's PG's fault for opening that damn studio, but for all you know, SE has been convincing PG for years about Live-Service behind close doors and it stuck in their heads.

[@Kasaaz]

I am baffled by this game. Who is it for?

[@GrugGangGrugGang]

People who think Godfall is too polished I guess?

[@marcellosilva9286]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't someone at Platinum say they went ahead and reused assets from Square Enix' library? I swear I saw something like that in the news.

[@Adalore]

I am still not over how ballsy it is to have it pay to enter, WITH microtransaction, AND a premium battle pass. How many years were shaved off the devs who made this? D:

[@Theguy493]

I mean at least Sol Cresta is good.

[@Comkill117]

This still just hurts that this game is so bad. If the 2019 version of the game is what we got I’d be playing that non-stop right now instead of… well nothing, I’m not touching the final game with a ten foot pole.

[@hachijospaniard5643]

Cannot wait for Yoko Taro to leave Square Enix any time now.

[@Alexander-nr5tt]

He's not an employee of Square Enix.

[@merk2364]

I think platinums not exactly flawless track record is catching up with them with the way theyve been talking about selling and basically begging ms to let them do scalebound again. Squeenix has its share of blame for this fuck up but platinum did plenty to make that game bad themselves.

[@zztzgza]

$60 live service game filled with every mtx system and a seasonal game pass... or Horizon Forbidden West or Elden Ring or Triangle Strategy, etc...hmmm so many better choices.

[@Tamaki742]

On the other hand, people seem to enjoy Sol Cresta. So go buy Sol Cresta instead, guys, if shoot em ups are up your alley.

[@MooMoo-sl2th]

Did Square just think that Platinum could do the games as a service thing better than Crystal Dynamics? Because if that's the case they clearly didn't learn from Avengers.

[@kdawg8147]

Well Platinum were the ones who wanted to make this a live service game. They opened a new division focusing on love service titles and they came to Square with this game. Square didn't force them to make this a love service

[@MooMoo-sl2th]

@@kdawg8147 oh jeez dude that's tough to hear at least we got Bayonetta 3 coming up

[@Dirtyboots3strikes]

I'm amazed that Avengers got glossed over by the comments yet BF exist ="Oh no, PG is your fault"

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

Square rushing platinum into a gameplay design they're uncomfortable with sure reminds me of another massive humiliating flop by square. Started with an A

[@d4c935]

Platinum wanted to make this type of game this isn't solely Square fault.

[@Dirtyboots3strikes]

@@d4c935 Maybe, but the Live service thing is Square's. Sure, Platinum opened a new studio just for that, but really, would they even thought of that if they didn't work for the likes of Square-Enix? Platinum has had problems for years, sure, but Square-Enix is going to be what ultimately ruin them.

[@jimecherry]

@@d4c935 thats kind of a chicken egg argument would platinum be pushing to do live service if square was paying for non live service projects. would square be pushing platinum to make a live service game if the execs at platinum were against. the world will never know cause square is most definitely pushing gaas and platinum is a company thats definitely looking at mobile and gaas is mobile.

[@FranK-tg7ou]

i was born in 1999 so pat is correct

[@dawsondebell1603]

I'm surprised God Hand isn't talked about around these circles a bit when Platinum is brought up. Who has the rights to it again? Also I noticed something in Sifu(great game, love the mechanics) that the dodging mechanics were mapped in a way that reminded me of how dodging was mapped differently in God Hand for action beat 'em ups. I just think that if you had to go about polishing up God Hand's combat, Sifu was a great example.

[@Hocotatium111]

Clover Studio was a subsidiary of Capcom, so all of their games, including God Hand, are owned by Capcom.

[@Keihart]

At least is not a Platinum game made with their own money. They got paid anyway, peace!

[@crazygamer4260]

Also reminder that Platinum made a new studio 2 years ago for the sole purpose of making live service games, so it's possible this wasn't because some square CEO said so.

[@DrRobby1985]

Seems Squeenix didn't learn one bit from Avengers. Not ONE bit. XD

[@michaelpalacios8951]

So....How about that Sol Cresta?

[@kovulion7777]

Babylon's Fall feels like japanese devs who are good at single player games, tried to make cash grab games

[@TestAcct46]

I hope Max got paid the big bucks for trying to shill this shit on his stream

[@randominternetsurfersurfin7595]

I didn't watch it, but I love the fact that he literally switched to Elden Ring barely 2 hours after announcing it was Babylon Stream.

[@danielr.7062]

I mean, if i had a kid to feed and dress and pay for college later i'd shill this shit for 2 hours. Any longer though and i'd probably start playing Elden Ring in secret using the controller with my feet.

[@DiscordedHaru]

Where is this animosity filled comment coming from? Pat sells his soul for stupid shit all the time yet you dipshits eat it up otherwise.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

@@DiscordedHaru lost us in the second half. we give Pat shit literally all the time.

[@kdawg8147]

I mean hey, a paycheck is a paycheck. And from what I saw he gave it a fair shot, but by the end he basically had nothing to say about it. He just switched over to Elden Ring without looking back

[@justincase4063]

Really rooting for platinum here. Didn't they partner with tencent a while back to help them get funding for the games they want to make? Also I'm pretty sure that Astral Chain sold well and didn't come out of their pockets and Nintendo funded that one same for Bayo 3. Regardless I really hope that they can get out of these situations.

[@hatsunemikufanboy]

i hope they can too astral chain has a very rare pride of place in my collection under the never ever ever sell category

[@justincase4063]

@@hatsunemikufanboy Agreed.

[@ryanbacker4870]

This segment hurt, but hearing Pat say "Cant wait for that astral chain sequel" put the pain in my throat and all I could do was groan for the death of my favorite dev team.

[@KreuzDrache]

It might be for the best if they just make smaller scale games if money is an issue. Cause it seems like these team ups with other publishers rarely work in Platinum's favor.

[@maxsegal1377]

Here is the video they are referencing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pH7OYZh7rrGgr9k

[@ColeVecsion]

Having played the demo, I'd say it's more a early japanese ps3 hack n slash game and having a sqeenix account, it still took a half hour to go through I hope platinum has back up projects that aren't bayonetta >__>;;

[@Alexander-nr5tt]

They do. There's Takahisa Taura's new game which they haven't announced yet.

[@carlosfred8673]

Either Square Enix intentionally sent this game out to die, or they are incredibly incompetent except for their FFXIV Team. Probably a bit of both.

[@ZdkDzk]

In another world we got Monster Hunter meets Let It Die.

[@GrieveIV]

No amount of gold made making these gas games, using money from the biggest gas game, will ever make enough money to make it worthwhile

[@jonetgames]

Glad Powerpak's video is blowing up.