The Fall Of Men, explained by an expert | Richard Reeves

[@TheDiaryOfACEOClips]

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[@jackieschesnuk6669]

“A man without a vision is a man without a future. A man without a future will always return to his past”

[@oneilmarston698]

Any man can vision but without moneybags 💰 management team its just vision without any action 😮

[@shaneashby5890]

@@oneilmarston698 Your comment is just gibberish.

[@oregonsnob31]

As a woman I argue this is sensible for humans

[@oneilmarston698]

@@oregonsnob31 sensible humans

[@bobbydigital8056]

​@@oneilmarston698Depends on what your vision for yourself is. Not everything costs money, in fact sometimes money can end up costing you. Becoming better you can do for free, financially speaking. It does require a great deal of work though.

[@lamaradkins4678]

As a young man I appreciate the fact that this problem is getting attention!

[@jutsu1]

The only reason is because of Andrew Tate. If people like Reeves don't talk about this Tate will.

[@molassescricket6663]

As an old man I appreciate it!

[@JPLPizJPL]

10,000%

[@Kommander]

Feminists are sad!

[@MW-dd8vk]

@@jutsu1Warren Farrell’s been talking about this issue before Tate came along.

[@seanposkea]

Thank you so much. I admit I skipped over your channel for years thinking, "Diary of a CEO" was just gonna be a bunch of Tech Bros talking about how awesome they are. But you have really tackled some deep and important subjects the last year or two and you have won me over. You're doing good work. Keep it up and thank you.

[@stacyarmstrong8275]

I live in the American South, and (while it's not perfect by any means!) I get the sense that things aren't as bad here. I think it's bc there's still this sense of chivalry. Men often hold the door open for me. I had an issue with my bicycle while riding this weekend and a guy stopped and asked if I needed help. I didn't, but I made sure to thank him. Men still feel comfortable doing that sort of thing here and women don't get offended by it.

[@neillchippett655]

Thank God there is still somewhere in the world that has tradition and values.

[@Callitout-kl1uq]

I also grew up in the American South and see so many men who are prefer to have no emotional connection with their spouse, kids, or friends. It’s a lonely life and sad for those who want to connect with them, too.

[@SirBigzalot]

Funny thing is I live in Australia and I deplore the way things are going here, when I think of the places I feel still generally display the core values I think of places like Texas.

[@JosephKleppel]

Yes, come to the rust belt. It is a disaster here. I have been hearing this about the south, kind of want to move there. You get it. Not many people do.

[@Readabookfoofoo]

It’s because there are still gender roles here (Alabama) - if and when they go away, chaos will reign. You can’t listen to these people, they live in wealthy bubbles.

[@bu5589]

Mature and immature masculinity is a really great way to look at it. Going to be using this

[@jutsu1]

Total garbage.

[@budbas]

10:15 "..Immature and mature masculinity". Since the beginning, it has always been like this.

[@shaneashby5890]

@bu5589, what is masculinity?

[@shaneashby5890]

@@budbasAre you aware that the large majority of people don’t even know what masculinity is, let alone what it even means.

[@budbas]

@@shaneashby5890 what is masculinity?

[@growler5678]

Speaking for myself, the day I truly felt like a man was the day I first held my baby daughter.

[@RussBlake80]

I got dragged into all this gender crap because I was soft. Luckily escaped that nonsense. And got out and started grafting and doing things for others, instead of worrying about my identity. Internet can effect not just kids but adults too. All you need to do to find yourself is look inside. That's who you are and have always been. Never look outside for answers as you'll never find them.

[@grantwayl]

Sometimes people are so brainwashed they can't find it in their selves even

[@darmy713]

The problem is women trying to tell men what masculinity means

[@zerotolerance2026]

Same problem with men telling women what femininity is🙄

[@missinterpretation4984]

No

[@TheCookieNetwork]

@@zerotolerance2026 can you give an example?

[@jackeagleeye3453]

​@@TheCookieNetworkconservatives that push the trad wife stuff

[@gotanycash]

Grow a pair

[@KamyePrice]

I’m a woman and I really resonate w this. As a mother of sons it’s hard to know how to lead them rn. Thank you for this.

[@riverdeep399]

I think, the break down of generational families has caused mothers to be sole carer of children, instead of having a community and grandparents to ease the load, in that, men are asked to fill the balance and help out more at home with kids and house work. Women also need to now work full time to cover the financials of the house. So both parents are stressed and have no energy and men are needing to take on more traditional former duties because there are no longer extended family and friendship groups.

[@3092denise]

Extremely accurate account of our modern family structure of today.

[@TM-tw1py]

As an older man, we need to pay special attention to helping future generations of men - Though many times they don’t want it, it is our responsibility to provide the best guidance we can.

[@johnnyng8527]

Now you realise

[@TM-tw1py]

@@johnnyng8527 young men need to step up and ask for guidance as well.

[@budbas]

True. But not merely a guidance I guess. It was more to oversee their life according to the value we grow them. We show them the example of our life on which become a guidance for them, then oversee their action and give a suggestion. An example is much more powerful than just a words of guidance, I guess.

[@shaneashby5890]

The way we start this is by stop letting single mothers raise boys without a virtuous masculine father.

[@daishan1234]

The advice that men have been getting from older men has, for the most part, been just as bad as the advice given by the gynocentric social order. Until the last 5ish years on youtube and other social websites, a man could hardly get good advice *anywhere*. It has always been the same old shit from the 1950's that doesn't work in the modern world.

[@MidnightPursuit]

In the state government in Victoria, Australia…they have a minister for men’s behavioural change…not one for woman tho…

[@SirBigzalot]

We’re going down hill fast here

[@bernstock]

Yeah they really lost me with that one. A sad indicator of the status quo

[@missinterpretation4984]

Is that maybe because the ratio of violence and murdering one another isn’t exactly matched?

[@timthetiny7538]

Women are 8 times more likely to kill their own infants than they are to be murdered by a man. ​@@missinterpretation4984

[@greensea66]

What are they talking about when they say "behavioral change"? That is very vague.

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1]

What does 'gender equality' mean in this sentence he utters?: "No one wants to turn against gender equality, but the problems of men get no attention."

[@davidsummerville351]

You can't go back. There are too many new problems constantly evolving.

[@evilwhitey98]

What problems? What does “going back” mean?

[@DTreatz]

Oh you *can* go back, it's just a matter if men are *willing* to do it. And that means no more rights and freedoms for ♀ __Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊

[@jutsu1]

Because of feminism.

[@JeffCaplan313]

​@@evilwhitey98 The problems that come with being a man. You can't go back to being a child. 1 Corinthians 13:11

[@VAmissaAnima]

@@jutsu1 nowadays also economy is a reason for todays problems

[@michaelbrown1236]

44 year old male. Mt opinion. Life is suffering and no one is coming to save you. Turn the suffering into something better. Men built this world through immense suffering. Ty to all those men.

[@mensconnectionnetwork]

Some key aspects of masculine energy that I don't believe have changed since the time of the ancient Egyptian's or Romans are being: Logical, Task Oriented, Active, Thinking, Enjoying Competition, Enjoying a Challenge, Making Progress etc. Now, if we take the notion that nothing in life can EVER stay the same, stagnation means death for everything in our universe, once a star becomes stagnant it dies, once a person no longer has the energy to breathe he or she dies. I believe that these old gender norms were becoming stagnant and irrelevant to how society has evolved. I think as older males we can support our younger men to learn to appreciate the changing nature of the world and to see opportunities within the challenges. Everything is energy, were getting some pretty fucked up energy from women in general at the moment, look at the MGTOW movement for example. I would encourage young blokes not to focus on what women are doing or not doing but rather to focus on your own goals and what you want to achieve and then to make it something that you work towards every day, because energy and intent is the key to manifestation. It sounds like mumbo jumbo, but every successful person swears by it. 1. .have tangible goals and do all you can to achieve them 2. spend time reflecting, constantly reviewing what is important to you 3. approach challenges as though the universe is testing what you have learnt 4. gratitude, your mindset is everything

[@budbas]

True. Focus on what we can do, instead of what we could not control. I told my twin sons to take their master degree overseas and make earning and hopefully can meet their mate then family over there. At its essence, life is a journey of each of us. I suggest that Fathers all over the world to oversee their sons life.

[@ohnoohnono]

As a man, do you consider men to be logical? Vs women who watch showa like Kim Kardashian etc, maybe

[@mensconnectionnetwork]

@ohnoohnono definitely I think logic is a more masculine trait.

[@ohnoohnono]

@@mensconnectionnetwork can you give me some examples? Nothing fancy just to understand your point

[@woshdndndj2103]

@@ohnoohnono The biggest reason why someone is illogical is because their emotional biases cloud their objective judgement. Women have more emotional biases than men.

[@baronbullshyster2996]

If there is a purpose to life, it is to laugh at it.

[@shaneashby5890]

Well considering the entire Western world is going down the toilet. I don’t see how this is a laughing matter.

[@RandomRabbit007]

Like ‘The Comedian’ in the film The Watchmen

[@willemivo1]

What a breath of fresh air. I want to learn more from Mr. Reeves.

[@petey118]

7:42 I completely agree, i always found the talking points of toxic masculinity as toxic itself. Ways to control and manipulate you to change to how they want you to be. Just by calling you toxic for being a man...

[@jutsu1]

Immature and mature are the same shaming language.

[@robertareason7299]

Have you ever considered asking David Attenborough to your show.

[@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69]

Being a guy in today's world sucks. People act like we don't have any feelings.

[@chrismoss7992]

SPOT ON - "Treating Men like malfunctioning women" - Go to any state school in the UK and this is what you will see....

[@vikki8699]

Positive traits: Integrity, inner strength of will, quick problem solvers, grit, responsible, accountable, reliable, attentive, caring. More importantly, maturity and the ability to resolve issues (without making the person the problem by focusing on the problem and not the person). Encourages and celebrates others, especially when people succeed. Listens to understand. Has good comprehension skills. Is a team player. Does not see their partner as a competitor or opponent. Regardless of traditional roles, if something needs to be done, they do it without handholding. Toxic traits: Sanctimonous behaviour Arrogance Controlling behaviour The need to have power iver another person. Wants others to dime their light or make themselves smaller. Hates others achieving. Jealousy Unable to emotionally regulate Trauma dumps Blame shifts Absolves themselves of responsibility Gaslights Manipulates Double standards Takes more then gives Selfish Self centered Leads with ego Weaponized incompetence Ungrateful Unappreciative Abuse of power or status Defensive Passive aggressive Expects people to 'just know' Cherry picks what suits them at the expense of others. Refuses to listen to others if it challenges their world view. Lazy and incompetent.

[@bonditltd5346]

That’s a long shopping list to judge men. Which means you think you’re in a position to do so.

[@satoshi_yukamoto841]

Just one problem - yes men should not take the view that you must compete with women and turn back the progress for them but this is exactly the view that women are openly encouraged to take against men. This attitude is cheered on by women. Until women are encouraged not to treat men as the enemy with a zero sum game and beaten in game of career and life then men will more and more start treating women like they are treating men or check out all together and just ignore them.

[@mfanakithi2002]

These are the positive conversations we need for young men

[@joshdaltilia1829]

Speaking here from the perspective of a 34 year old male, I've fallen victim to people who've meant a lot to me but I meant nothing to them of which's very hurtful. Cos us men have feelings too

[@vikingspud]

"How would YOU like to be non-toxic?!!... It's like the worst recruiting slogan ever." Spot on. I hope more people can watch this video. I see these struggles with my son, his male cousins and so many others of their generation.

[@Omnicras]

It's sad that reasonable open-minded conversations of what it means to be a man in the modern world, like this one, are so rare.

[@jutsu1]

They should bring Andrew Tate on along with Reeves to have a debate.

[@shaneashby5890]

It's only rare if you were raised by a single mother. If you were raised by a virtuous masculine father, then masculinity is all you know.

[@Bebb98]

Immature and mature sounds so much more open. Have hated the term toxic masculinity, will definitely start approaching conversations with this.

[@jutsu1]

It's basically the same control of men. Immature and mature is basically more shaming language.

[@shaneashby5890]

There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. There are good people and there are bad people and that’s it. That buzzword was created by misandrists.

[@Bebb98]

@@jutsu1 id argue against that. A child is deemed as immature because they have not grown into a respectable adult yet. Adults can be immature. Putting it from a masculine perspective is a better way to make comparisons of the behaviors. An immature masculine man would have issues with women being in the more senior positions and not like taking advice, or directions from them because they are a woman, while the mature end of the spectrum would not be so insecure to have an issue with that at all. In the same way that immature femininity would expect men to pay for everything, while the opposite knows that she should not expect that of anyone.

[@toniraff5488]

To men: - become emotionally smart - be respectful to women and the weak - learn manual skills - learn to cook healthy and barbecue - be in nature (sports, hunting) - be clean and tidy - do sports - get a motorcycle You are welcome

[@vikki8699]

Yes!!! Get a motorbike!! 🏍👏

[@acotrel1]

I used to work in defence factories. Three of the young guys who worked under me, ended up in the top jobs in the Department of Defence. I teach people how to lead systematically to manage the risks. ISO9000 type policy manuals can be used as training manuals. When I lead, I am very democratic, however I always remain in control. Industrial democracy is an essential component for continual improvement. About the abortion issue - when abortion was illegal in Australia, crime proliferated. Illegal abortion stimulates blackmail of women by corrupt enforcement people. This never becomes part of political discussion. Religious idiocy destroys lives.

[@rustyelder]

This is a great piece. Happy that it came up in my feed.

[@wendydaniel1110]

The younger generation is sadly confused by a buffet of too much of everything.. Living in an age of "swiping right" 24/7 has dire consequences... We all need more information on self esteem, self love,and self respect. What doesn't drive the algorithm is probably what is needed most..

[@mikehimes7944]

No one's using apps anymore. 10 years ago, yes. Now? Young men figured out women weren't looking at their profiles because they didn't have a picture with a supercar or a private jet. 60% of men in this country have not approached a woman in over a year.

[@tomas1944]

This hits home " in order for woman to get bigger, we ( men) had to get smaller" profound perspective on the modern gender debate.

[@shaneashby5890]

This issue isn’t complicated; men have allowed themselves to be turned into women by masculine women. Because men now refuse to be masculine, women now think it’s their job to be in charge. Matriarchal societies have not and will not ever work.

[@ohnoohnono]

That says a lot about how much autonomy women had in the past, if any 😊

[@dennismcclain7010]

just seeing this. I am glad that other men, especially around my age, acknowledge that being a man is now nuanced. I feel that being a man is situational. in other words, we have to really think of the man we present in every situation. I do like the term “mature masculinity”. that makes sense. not immature. not feminine. but mature. thank you.

[@juanne5]

Damn, everything I have been thinking and more! you sir have hit the nail on the head in terms of phrasing, to explain what men are going through.

[@jutsu1]

This guy is a feminist, he still wants women to be over men. The only reason his talking now is because of guys like Andrew Tate.

[@toby2581]

The "Do's" for men are DO be extremely attractive and DO be extremely wealthy. That's the only way you'll get approval from society generally.

[@trainshot17]

Men and women have basically had the same roles for thousands of years but in the last decade these folks think we need to change everything. I will continue to be a traditional male.

[@missinterpretation4984]

Do you hunt all your own food and build your house with your own hands? If not then you’re not traditional and have nothing in common with the last thousands of years.

[@Marwan-fz8nx]

He's talking about gender dynamics not technology ​@@missinterpretation4984

[@jadedpaladin6685]

​@missinterpretation4984 Ridiculous. Men generally haven't needed to do these things for hundreds of years yet were still traditional men. Men in the 50s didn't need to hunt or build a house with their own hands, yet they were still traditional men and the women were traditional women. As the OP said, it's only in the last 10/20 years that idiots suddenly think they know better.

[@intellextualweq3830]

We do need to change things. Unless you are an ambitious man with a sole income that can take care of this family on that salary alone, solely relying on the gender roles will not work in this economy. Women are expected to work while being domestic partners in the household. This has caused burnout and resentment leading to one of the main reasons for divorce rate being 50% outside of infidelity.

[@ohnoohnono]

​@@intellextualweq3830don't tell them, leave them in their delusions that women are evil by design

[@fionahenderson3352]

He's spot on 👏🙌

[@MarkYeck-c2y]

One thing I don’t understand about these issues, like if men are in crisis, where are the Dads?im 60 so I understand I’m in my own world but I’d think taking stuff with Dad the young guys would get some new ideas or mindset changes or just simple support / love.

[@jamielliott2301]

This whole interview assumes that Individual accountability means little. As a “man”; I’m doing just fine. I’m sorry if other men feel that ”outside” forces are working against them…but welcome to the world that most everyone else has to deal with. I’ve never expected women or the global economy would accommodate me…nor should I. Men need to be accountable for themselves…period

[@mathius_dragoon532]

I think you are missing the point of what those people are trying to say.

[@ohnoohnono]

As a man, thank you

[@edwardmeradith2419]

How about striving to be a flexible human. The tribe is a human tribe.

[@LuminescentShine]

A good start

[@rahelkamber4839]

There is a reason that in the Bible it says, before God there is neither man nor woman. And Jesus showed men and women how to be a good human being and constantly evolve. Everyone can just be themselves, but be careful to not hurt others or be destructive.

[@edwardmeradith2419]

@@rahelkamber4839 Unfortunately not everyone feels they can just be themselves, and to be you are, you’ve got to know who you are. For me, a lot of that discovery came from ‘throwing off’ who I was told who I was going to be. To give of yourself is the highest calling, but to give yourself you’ve got to have a self.

[@rahelkamber4839]

@@edwardmeradith2419 Thank you for this elaborate answer.

[@rahelkamber4839]

@@edwardmeradith2419 I agree it starts at a very young age, where boys are not allowed to be themselves. We should teach people how to parent.

[@sandraperea6668]

Up to yesterday, women were being treated as malfunctioning men. Both extremes are wrong.

[@MaxEdge-pf3pp]

I just love these videos of very seriously concerned experts talking about our problems. Just know they really really care and to prove how much they care, they're gonna talk even more about it. Do you feel better yet?

[@KamyePrice]

I like to just use the terms the “exhalted” or “debilitated” or the shadow or light expression.

[@chriser555]

Absolutely nailed it 💯

[@duncanmil1]

I grew up with genuinely strong women that weren't afraid of my masculinity even if at times it was immature. They may have even liked it. If I did or said something that went over the top my mother would say in a kind tone "D, That's beneath you" and I would respect her because she was my elder. This is all happening in an atmosphere of mutual disrespect for one another. No one can move forward from here if we can't agree to show each other respect. (gosh that sounds preachy)😃

[@christopherhunt-walker6294]

I'm still not sold on all this "crisis of masculinity" talk, and I've read Reeves' book. I can agree with him that the core of all this is the mature masculinity vs immature masculinity argument. In general, maturity is lacking amongst a lot of adults today and part of that has manifested itself into these silly gender wars. I don't think there's much that men aren't getting now that they used to get, but the world has changed and it seems like many parents were ill equipped or lacked the foresight to raise them to be mature adults. Most people don't want men and women to be the same or even similar, they just want each individual to use the best of their abilities to be a the best person they can be. People will match themselves. We all have different amounts of feminine and masculine aspects to our personalities, and there is no better time than now to express and develop them. But if those abilities remain underdeveloped, you're going to be stuck with a lot of people who can't relate to one another. This is where we are now.

[@hamlet557]

I'm so impresssed to see such a mature youtube comment! Thank you for doing it!

[@christopherhunt-walker6294]

@@hamlet557 I appreciate that you appreciate my comment!

[@Misty-dr4mb]

Thank you, just what I need to hear. I am tired of the KZbin soup of experts. I plan to come offline and live in the real world … continue to do the work on myself and be of service

[@bmanagement4657]

Toxic maculinity is Patriarchy. Toxic femininity is Matriarchy. Mean boys are imposing cruel complex hierarchy. Mean girls are imposing cruel complex hierarchy. Healthy would be a more authoritative-informed person rather than an authoritarian- informed person. Acceptence, compassion etc; but above all a more cooperative person over a competitive person.

[@SamBassComedy]

I'm thinking of creating a group for empowering men. I wonder how to get started and what to include. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. I have a lot of ideas and experience, but I am starting from scratch. Do I create a subreddit? Do I make a website? What's the cheapest, but most fruitful approach?

[@radu808]

make money, practice abstinence and self control with small and calculate expectations be determined in what you do accept and understand that pain is part of life learn to live in it

[@StefanStuart1]

I think something is men need to realise is we don’t have to entertain or accept any judgment out upon us. We can simply decline to be a part of the conversation

[@multiversalentertainment492]

Also. Men and women integrate feminine and masculine energies.

[@atomicgeisha]

I fell in love with my husband because he is so masculine.

[@zerotolerance2026]

🙄

[@Marksman3434]

Would love to know examples you would give that make him so masculine that attracts you to him. Genuinely curious.

[@handsingroup6394]

Finally the correct use of the word ‘reactionary’ in a podcast. 🎉

[@multiversalentertainment492]

Be assertive young men.

[@taylornapier2103]

Given that both men and women display traits that are inherently "other camp" does it not make more sense to encourage general values? Kindness is not inherently feminine. And anger is not inherently masculine. As we deviate from traditionally assigned gender roles (bread winner, home maker) does it not make more sense to investigate our sense of purpose as humans? Does masculinity or femininity really even need to be a thing?

[@petervizzini4006]

That mentality gave rise to trans

[@hamlet557]

@@petervizzini4006 No it didn't.

[@petervizzini4006]

@@hamlet557 yes it did

[@ervinmiracle]

I never 'like' anything on KZbin. I'm 'liking' this because you said the word "nuance" and then discussed the importance of nuance in our modern dialogue. KEEP IT UP.

[@no_professional12]

Really interesting to hear a genuine expert talk on this important & nuanced subject. We need more of this, rather than the know-it-all blowhards seen across some parts of Social Media.

[@FFTsteel]

Just don't listen to what society is telling you to do, such as simping for Women, and you will be fine😊

[@JosephKleppel]

Look up an old documentary titled Tough Guise (yes, guise as in the facade). This guy knew what the problem is.

[@danthony4348]

What he describes, in part, appears to be discriminatory behavior that some men face in academia. The terms “toxic masculinity” is most definitely toxic.

[@steveballard515]

Expert ? Bla bla bla. Gough Whitlam (Australia) gave us the No Fault Clause (1975) men have been paying the price ever since.

[@annan4866]

Thank you for having these discussions. Yes, I want a better world for my sons and know it is necessary for progress .

[@jutsu1]

Why? This guy is a feminist.

[@micahwise4212]

Young men like myself need God. God will provide purpose and adventure despite our struggles. With that comes a sense of direction in a world gone mad. God speed boys.

[@sinipepa4583]

This is so true

[@Fatedlukeston]

Time! It’s like fashion or music! It’s cyclic. Sooner or later we will transition into another state. There is no backwards motion. Only forwards. And cyclic. It all goes around, then comes back around. Just slightly different each time. We evolve. People

[@Coneman3]

Such a complex society, yet we fail to get the basics right 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@nathangill8404]

Men help women. Government helps women. Women help themselves. Who helps men?

[@nickconol1428]

Wars are necessary.

[@timr6530]

You mention that men and women have roles. What is the woman’s role?

[@RyanFowlerSOS]

I moved to Mexico where men are allowed to be men, and the women know how to treat men. One of the best decisions I ever made. Atlas Shrugged is playing out IRL... but it's your everyday man doing it, not so much John Galt |unless you consider Leo DiCaprio to be JG lol).

[@Fly29598]

....o amor esfriará....

[@molassescricket6663]

Toxic masculinity IS a slur!

[@shaneashby5890]

No, it’s pure misandry.

[@molassescricket6663]

@@shaneashby5890 yes, I totally agree!

[@jacobhuggins5448]

Men and woman are HIGHLY different. Not a LITTLE different as described here. Real life experience should show you this.

[@lockdownudein]

Why is it so hard to say men and women are different?

[@ohnoohnono]

Because it leads to stuff like "men can cheat women can't" shit and women has that shit for ages, and now they are angry and society is giving them the chance to protest basically... It does never lead to men this, women that. It always leads to man superior and stuff...

[@zohars]

This is such a valuable conversation. Thank you!!!

[@contracthit9839]

Only a woman would think that

[@louiebritchford9517]

Egos need to be let go of n nurtured

[@jellyjams7217]

We should not exclude in basic human rights or harm the other, but we need to separate our strengths and learn to celebrate them. Women need to appreciate that a man can be more assertive, emotionally consistent, and physically stronger than she. Immature feminism is just man bashing because they feel bad inside about something else that has nothing to do with what they are talking about. We need much more awareness in human psychology for humanity to accept this solution

[@m1421]

Title should read: The fall of 'Western' men.

[@nath1284]

Great documentary called The Mask You Live In on YT well worth a watch

[@hotkeyafl]

Don't listen to these soft corks. Pave your own way, stop seeing the world in this depressive state.

[@chrisharris6462]

Heard of positive and negative anima and animus?

[@geistakageist2932]

the manosphere is the most damaging to men

[@guchavela4721]

I’ve never been affected by “toxic femininity” at least not in the sense he’s talking about. I know it exists but it has never happened to me. Now I’ve been affected by toxic masculinity and I’m gonna call it toxic because it is. 95% of the men I’ve dated have either been abusive or think they’re superior than me yet have expected me to be stronger, more patient, more mature and understanding than them. And let me not even get started with male bosses. That word is not being thrown easily, we are just waking up to the fact that we are not taught how to be emotionally intelligent. It is a FACT that women have been treated like a tool that a man needs to make babies and make their lives easier. That is changing and it’s not gonna be easy for men to come to that realization. I feel like most are trying their best. Also, it doesn’t mean women don’t do toxic shit. We sure do! I also don’t think that we expect men to make themselves smaller so we can become bigger. Absolutely not! Both genders need to work on their emotional health and become mature thinking people before getting into relationships. What we are not realizing is that without an emotional connection there’s nothing! That’s why most marriages fail.

[@davagevorriose8046]

Neither masculinity nor femininity are toxic. Feminism has become toxic, and it's funhouse mirror image is the redpill&MGTOW movements. It's an important distinction, as not all women are feminists, and not all feminists are women. Examples: If the "male gaze" is objectifying women for sex, the "female gaze" is objectifying men for money (and to a lesser degree, status). "Patriarchy" isn't just a myth, it's a conspiracy theory, where all men are blamed for a tiny minority of men at the top. Most people at the bottom are men: most prisoners are men, where men are more likely to be convicted, and to get longer sentences than women for the same crime. The vast majority of homeless are men, whereas the vast majority of resources for homeless are for the tiny proportion that are women and children. Men work harder jobs, longer hours, and more years of their life in jobs that destroy their bodies, even though they have fewer years of life. And yet, feminists view men as disposable, bodies to be exploited (paternal fraud, false allegations, divorce exploitation, pay gap lie, etc.) and thrown in the trash. In other words, it is a FACT that men are treated like tools too, to make the lives of feminist women easier and better. I don't blame you for not seeing it, a lot of men don't see how women are treated for the same reason (I admit, it took me a long time), as it isn't directed at us, just as misandry isn't directed at you. Marriages fail for a lot of reasons, men's resentment of the above is one, and women's resentment for what you wrote is another. Resenting your partner, instead of both recognizing the contributions of the other to make life better for both, is a great way to end things poorly.

[@acevedojoshua111]

Here's the issue with what you are saying. You are being taught with what is bad and what to avoid. You are not taught what is good. What to be looking out for. If everything is toxic, then i gotta know what the hell is positive in a realistic, pragmatic way.

[@guchavela4721]

@@acevedojoshua111 everything is toxic who said that? I barely understood your response.

[@MsMookalate]

​@@acevedojoshua111huh? Are you just responding just to respond? Did you even bother to read AND comprehend what she just said?

[@scottverge938]

​@guchavela4721 you say that women can be toxic but also claim you've never neen effected by toxic femininity? I find that very hard to believe. You've never been bullied by other women? Ever? And what is up with your selection process if all the guy's you've dated have been horrible?

[@garygreen1782]

No such thing as progress ✖️

[@Puma8.91]

Its hard to come by MAN of GOD nowadays. I think that's the problem with these teenagers. They see role models in their phones but in-person, nothing. Everyone is on their own these days because social media helped a lot of insecure people find themselves, but in reality its all a lie.

[@bobsee8226]

100% agree

[@DTreatz]

We don't have a _masculinity_ crisis... We have a ♀freedom crisis _Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊

[@djsanctus1650]

Well that’s fascinating. So if I’m reading that correctly, as sexual availability increases, the energy (ie work and forward progress) slows down and the society eventually collapses? That tracks with what I’ve read on the topic. That, historically, society’s where sexual availability is extremely low have a much higher rate of violence and rebellion as males subconsciously look for ways to express control over their sphere of influence. Societies that have cultural norms surrounding how men go about providing for their families and require that they work to receive a mate (like societies where the woman’s father must grant approval for marriage) have a much more stable growth trajectory as men see care taking of their estate as a fulfilling task to be dedicated to and the need for acts of violence are only for the sake of protecting that estate or protecting their society.

[@TheLiubaa]

Aggression is not true power, and those who revert to it in any shape or form are actually scared and deffensive on the inside. Society has been spoiling men for senturies giving them lots of credit, while women have been doing the difficult emotional work. Now, conversations like these patronise men, and blame their emotional immaturity on the environment, but when are men actully going to do the work of becoming emotionally mature, responsible and kind? There's a lot for them to do, a lot they can help with if they wanted to.

[@nieczerwony]

Men are by nature way less emotional than women, so what you are saying is just plain stupid. Same as expecting women to be logical and take accountability: two things you can't expect from most women. Most women don't want emotional/vulnerable man, regardless of what they say. Moment you cry in presence of your women, she will loose all the respect, doesn't matter what she says. Subconsciously she will stop respecting you. This is behavioral biology fact.

[@ohnoohnono]

They are never going to do it, they will find a way lo blame women, pardon, the females lol

[@alenaadamkova5322]

comparison against any gender is inhumane. Grandmother can have many wrinkles, but she has beautiful personality so she is beautiful and grandwfathers too. but only a character should be analyzed

[@christopherbradley5575]

Do you know what I absolutely love about living in a world full of men that are afraid to be masculine? I love that I choose not to be one of them. Where is this idea coming from that men need to permission to act like men? Is it because some women migh tbe offended by it? FK em. Let them be offended. Take charge of your life, and be the man you want to be. If someone else has a problem with it, you don't need them. Move on.

[@stevegaines-vq3bd]

Note to all men: get a college degree & a GREAT job, look great & you will have success w/ women, for all us other men, save your money, try to buy a house on your own...i'm 68 now, no wife, g/f or kids, but own 3 houses, not great houses but, they're all paid off...women are too fickle, not worth the hassle & cost.....& 80% are overweight......that gives me the.....Ick...

[@__BERSERKER__]

Both the men talking have no clue how men should behave.

[@jonashormann5700]

Can you enlighten us?

[@Brody.W]

Jesus Christ of Nazareth...

[@baronbullshyster2996]

For women too make themselves bigger. We had to make our selves smaller. I’m so small and insignificant, The scientists think I might have evolved into a fundamental particle

[@mathius_dragoon532]

Did you do that to the tune of "Modern Major General"?

[@baronbullshyster2996]

@@mathius_dragoon532 great suggestion. But unfortunately I had Queens Fat bottom girls on my jukebox at the time. Unfortunately I don’t have my jukebox anymore as it got squashed

[@sirgregoir]

Couldn't care less what women want or think. I'm good... 👍

[@gibsonbrillantes316]

So this is what u call an expert😅

[@oshino.mp4]

The timing is literally insane 🙂, like how??!???

[@Callitout-kl1uq]

You mean the same narrative that’s being pushed by right wing podcasters for years now? This message feels tired.