The Fall of Supernatural (Why to Quit a Fandom)

Involvement in fandom should, fundamentally, be fun. For many of us, fandom feels very important because it makes up a large chunk of our leisure and social time. But fandoms are not activism and fandoms are not your whole identity, and fandoms are not your job, and fandoms should be FUN. So, as you’ll see, for me? You quit a fandom when it isn’t fun anymore.
So let's dig in to how Supernatural stopped being fun. (And Doctor Who...and Harry Potter.)
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[@WickerSticksSinema]

My biggest problem with supernatural is it lost the horror element , it’s no longer scary or even emotional. Not to mention the stakes are gone .

[@plaguedoctor4519]

100% agree. It was those episodic episodes in the first season that got me into the show, they had a horror element, if not completely scary, the tension and atmosphere that it had made me fall in love with the show. The episodic episodes that fans love to hate now, that was my introduction and what got me into this show to begin with lol

[@claireh539]

This is why I have such respect when it comes to Breaking Bad. The show could’ve gone on longer as it was immensely popular, BUT they ended it while they were ahead and it’s better for it. Sure, I would’ve loved more adventures with Jesse or Walt, but they ended it in a satisfying way instead of just milking it for what it’s worth.

[@fandommusings5302]

Claire Holston what was your opinion on Better call Saul? I never watches either

[@claireh539]

Fandom Musings It’s pretty good. Saul is such a good character to explore and it is very interesting to get to expand the Breaking Bad story without revolving around Walt.

[@car6697]

@Claire Holston exactly, which is what's been happening to supernatural and heck, especially the Fast & the Furious movie franchise!

[@wxnchester4life94]

Did you know why they ended it I heard somone stole the scripts and the writer or somone got pissed and decided to stop writing that's what I heard

[@kylevasser6388]

The showrunners tried to end it at season 5 but it was too popular. They even moved the show to fridays to get less viewers. Showrunners only have so much power on a tv channel.

[@starself0]

Guillermo del Toro talked about just not finishing watching stuff hes no longer interested in because he doesnt want to do homework in his life and it made me realize that there is really no shame in wanting out of a fandom

[@uwu-pj3yx]

I love del Toro but hearing this I'm thinking maybe he took that approach with the hobbit movies- he was meant to direct but pulled out- which sucks bc they kinda suck

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

1:56 I love all I’ve seen of Supernatural but I, amongst many other fans, will agree Classic Supernatural is probably some of the BEST parts of the show. It has all the original writers etc. It created the general feel as well as the overarching plot feel. And everything. There was so much text and subtext with things like Destiel, there was a lot of information to not only digest it to analyze and think about. There were episodes that started discussions on mending relationships with lifelong abusers. It was amazing. IS amazing. I still fucking love every Supernatural episode I’ve ever seen, but Classic felt like you could watch any part of it whatsoever without being lost.

[@elmwood2470]

Love Supernatural, looking forward to the next 14 seasons. Long may it continue...

[@stefanoagrimi8074]

The part where you said " You only get so much free time in your day, in your week, in your life" really got to me. Sometimes I feel like what i'm doing is more than a chore or militar duty than a pleasure "i've to binge watch all this show even if i don't feel like doing it" sort fo thing.

[@fandommusings5302]

I absolutely get that feeling, especially when I fall behind on a show. It's weird to feel so obligated to kep up with something when it should just be fun

[@0ctopusComp1etely]

It's really, reeeally hard, but it is actually possible to just... give up. It might be one comment you read somewhere. It might be an epiphany from an internal source. Or maybe it's just something you decide to do one day. But eventually, I hope you realize that a lot of the things we (or at least I) feel obligated to watch/ read/ keep up with, just aren't worth worrying over. Entertainment is meant to be fun. So find things you like and continue to consume them. There's NOTHING WRONG with enjoying yourself. But DON'T feel required to keep up with everything you ever pick up. There are other avenues of entertainment that will be just as fulfilling if you can find them, and then are almost limitless things more productive you could be doing. Don't. Sweat it.

[@misssupercookie2011]

That was how I felt about Stranger Things. I felt like I had to watch it

[@UltraSuperDuperFreak]

how fucking hard is it to record it. geh. or a steaming service like netflex or who ever has it . or use the illegal way in emergency case

[@Sophiedesjardins]

@@fandommusings5302 You a David tennant fan :) ?

[@bubblegumplastic]

i loved supernatural so much. it was funny & fun. now it's my prime example of a show jumping the shark.

[@ryanwatt6706]

bubblegumplastic dude did you see the last episode?!?!? OMG it was so badly edited I was dying from laughter 😆😅

[@bubblegumplastic]

Ryan Watt i gave up looooong before the *current episode, now I'm curious lol

[@alyssamichaela]

it used to be so good. it was my favorite. now its just. shit :(

[@ryanwatt6706]

Lol this last season was pretty good. It reminded me of the old seasons but you can clearly see how bad the editing is. But they just didn’t do what I was expecting and it’s kinda crappy bc now we have 2 Michaels 🤨

[@ImJeSsYMaRtY]

Jumping the shark and then some. IM Still Surprised they haven't introduced Jesus and Jesus is somehow a chick for sam or dean to fuck

[@kylereese1042]

I totally agree on the first five seasons. They were so good and swan song was amazing. I stopped watching the show after season 12. I just couldn't anymore.

[@merakimoira4905]

Really?? Season 13 and 14 were somw of the best seasons

[@Jsjsusi]

@@merakimoira4905 lmao, no they weren't

[@unluckylifexy5740]

@@Jsjsusi tbf 13 was a good and 14 was bringing Back life to it and 15 was a good ending. 1-5 peak 6-7 okay 8 start of the downfall 9-12 ahhh not nice 13 okay but not 6-7 okay 14 nice to watch 15 a good ending

[@unluckylifexy5740]

@@merakimoira4905 what are you on 1-5 are the goats season 1 8/10 2 8/10 3 9/10 4 8/10 5 10/10

[@Jsjsusi]

@@unluckylifexy5740agree 1-5 🤝

[@akeelbrown7675]

Seasons 1-5 were perfect, everything after was trash i dont even consider the seasons after 5 to be canon. I like to think season 6 and onwards is just fan fiction

[@buffycatnip]

the creater of the show left after season 5 and so did some of the writers. explains why it went downhill from there

[@user-wz8xz3jk8g]

Not all the seasons after season 5 was trash but yeah they started to become pretty bad after that, good thing the show is ending soon

[@creativeguy1martinez693]

Season 6 had some good episodes, but honestly, ehfjjfhff. I stopped at season 6

[@TravellerTinker]

@I am Spartacus! umm not really, Breaking Bad was a masterpiece, cant really compare that to Supernatural and GoT but its your opinion and i respect that.

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

@@creativeguy1martinez693 yeah it was almost as if the writers didn't know what to do and had to figure it out and you didn't give them any time the first half of S6 wasn't that good I get that bit by the second half they had a goal a direction and it got better

[@tometimetea6621]

I agree with you on all of this. I loved the first five seasons of supernatural, but after that it just seemed like a cash grab. Like they know people are going to watch it anyways so why need to try? In my experience the best TV shows and such have an ending. The writers go in with something in mind and then work to reach that satisfying point. The season five finale for Supernatural was supposed to be the end for the show because the writers didn’t think that it was going to be picked up for another season. Since that wasn’t the case they had to struggle to find something to do.

[@fandommusings5302]

Very much agreed. The whole momentum of the show just collapses after season 5 and it felt like it never really picked back up for me

[@meliatrevore6011]

TRUE! i felt like season 1-5 focused more on sam while 6-11 was more focused on dean and then 12-13 r focused on them and a lot more. The leviathons season was the most boring one so far. I loved season 1-5 but had to read the updates of what happened in the episode from wikipedia from 6-10 because it was so boring and seemed like such a drag! But season 11-13 r interesting and its renewing for a new season! (14) (what i read atleast).

[@christianfigueroa2850]

@@meliatrevore6011 well tbh with seasons 14-15 it feels complete where they went from being just to lost sons to them becoming fathers

[@thisphone7087]

No one: Supernatural: watch our main character go from a slightly over protective brother to a verbally abusive dbag over the course of fifteen impossible to sit through seasons. Oh, and the king of hell, the only character with any real development.

[@Davidscomix]

Well he was raised terribly did you expect him to turn out like spongebob?

[@magiv4205]

@@Davidscomix Sam turned out great and he was raised just as abusively. He actually grew from his experiences instead or falling even deeper into his worst qualities. Don't excuse abuse.

[@kittenswithbows]

I have blocked season 6 from my memory, it just made me so mad and disappointed I couldn't cope. Supernatural ran for five seasons, and I'll fight anyone who tries to tell me otherwise.

[@fandommusings5302]

Ha! I totally get that feeling

[@foreverdead1248]

It was meant to end after season 5. Kripke told his story, he finished it, and he left. But they couldn't let that dead horse go unbeaten!

[@kittenswithbows]

@@foreverdead1248 I hadn't heard that. Makes sense though. Do you have any article recs that go into it further?

[@vitalityfox]

kittenswithbows Same thing happens with any show when the original writer leaves.

[@PeachwiseSyndrome]

they started fixing it... this season's ending was a BLAST

[@thedudeabides503]

I never thought cas was gay for dean. Cas and meg had a thing though.

[@DeeL3]

Yea I was never into the Cas and Dean thing either. I never knew it was a thing to pair them together until awhile ago because I had stopped watching the show. But apparently the fans were pushing that mess like drugs.

[@singerg02]

Quit "Supernatural" after Season 7 Quit "Doctor Who" after Season 4 Quit "Once Upon A Time" after Season 5 STILL pissed that "Gotham" is only getting 4 1/2 seasons!!!

[@pp-wl1tf]

Really you quit Who in 1968? ;)

[@singerg02]

Chris Bottle --- Lol. No. I quit "Doctor Who" about 2 years ago. I didn't want to watch anymore after David Tennant left.

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

@@singerg02 I was not a big fan of Tennant's era.

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

Doctor who is basically a show that will never quit because it never gets old. The premise of the show basic allows it to take in countless genres and story arcs. The same cant be said about supernatural.

[@deprimeplatypus490]

i actually prefer matt to david though at least now, as a kid i was really mad when david quit the show but matt first seasons have some good episodes i actually like season 5

[@russellwhisenant5554]

I thought about getting out of supernatural several times. As someone who took the other road and ended up watching every episode through the finale of season 13 let me just say that I feel you made the better choice. I wish I had stopped watching before the trials in season eight. These things are subjective, but it really has been more bad than good. The way season 13 ended is like an insult to swan song.

[@Hannabi98]

Russell whisenant I completly agree plus what they did with a certain character (his name starts with G) after one of the most heroic deaths in the whole show was just insulting. Sure he at least got some great new episodes but still. I actually feel like everything on this show is dead and someone is puppetering with the corpses. And what they were doing with Lucifer's character in this whole season was already insulting on it's own. Like he was one if not the greates villian on the show before and now they made him inro a clown.

[@lmaolmao4456]

So glad I watched all of spn without being involved with the fandom. I feel like not being super involved with the fans of the show increased my enjoyment of the show. Yeah the show’s writing quality went down past season 5, but a handful episodes were still good in my opinion during the middle seasons, and then the writing sort of picked up again during the later seasons. Only join a fandom if u have the time and truly believe it is smothering that will make watching the show much more fun. The opinion of others shouldn’t influence your thoughts and ideas of a show. Just do what u love without it being a chore.

[@BadgerPride89]

Same thing happened to me with Once Upon a Time. That fandom and show became a pile of hot garbage that I was surprised anyone could enjoy.

[@sorcerersapprentice]

Same here. I watched it at at the start, but I lost interest after the Peter Pan arc and heard it went down hill over time.

[@oop2351]

omg i thought i was the only one that lost interest after peter pan

[@ryanwatt6706]

BadgerPride89 I gave up OUAT bc the family tree was to much 😅

[@MegaRockmusicrocks]

Agreed reacently found it and after the peter pan it became a bit uninterresting, i read somewhere that the character emma will leave and the main will be her son?? is that true??

[@firegirl26]

YES

[@hecateinanna3925]

Oh my goodness, I love that you said this. I've been so sad with my fandom rut lately. I also was OBSESSED with supernatural for a while (thats my fandom tattoo), but God I couldn't keep watching it anymore. So many of my other fandoms are disappointing me too and it's been making me pretty sad. I'm glad I watched this, you totally summed up how I feel. I hope we find something new and fun to interact with! Great video!

[@925263]

I still watch it for Rowena. She's the only character getting any development in the last 4 seasons.

[@chaospersonified7204]

Lol everyone is talking about the spn fandom descending into chaos, and I never experienced that, the spn discord server I am in is really fun and we never have any fights, and I really enjoy all the episodes of supernatural, especially the scooby doo supernatural crossover in season 13, I mean yes supernatural dose have it's flaws but overall I really enjoy it.

[@chaospersonified7204]

Vivi exactly

[@Atomantia]

Same

[@foreverdead1248]

Try being someone that didn't ship destiel at the height of supernatural's fame.

[@chaospersonified7204]

@@foreverdead1248 RIP

[@peachyfeathers]

THANK YOU. I was looking for such a comment. I personally (please don’t attack me. It’s my opinion) liked season 4-5 and season 12-13 the best. Season 15 is also nice TwT

[@Broadwaychica]

I find that I never fully quit a fandom. I just distance myself like all hell from the parts I dislike and create a bubble for all the stuff I do. This goes ESPECIALLY for HP. Sure, I'll sometimes get into discourse about the bad stuff, but the fact of matter is I am working two jobs full time right now, so I have to be really careful with what I do with what free time I do have, just like you said. The fact is most of the time I just want to indulge in all of the pretty fan art and cool headcanons rather than worry about what garbage stuff the creators did this time...but Rowling has lost her status as my favorite author for sure.

[@sleepingbagaizawa3335]

Same

[@BrambleBeeRose]

Well... I have to say my love for a show or a movie doesn't dependt on the fandom. In fact I don't interact with fandoms anymore for...years? because the fandoms ruined the shows or movie for me so I rather quit the fandoms instead of the shows and enjoy them for myself. Maybe I am to old... Exspecial for some of the manga and anime fandoms, but I learned I am better off without some crazy fandoms who just make me angry or leave me confused... (Like the yuri on ice and the killing stalking case...) I like supernatural for what it is. A nice show to entertain me. I never hyped it as much as other people nor did I see the queerbaiting regarding dean and cas. But I stil enjoy the show. And I enjoy fantastic beasts. J.k. rowling did a few stupid things in the past but even if i dislike her i can't disliked the things i grew up with. The thing with johnny depp...well. the whole story with his wife was somehow strange so I will see if he can do a good grindelwald or if he just plays another 'johnny depp role'. So that is my conclusion. F*** the fandoms- love the show/movie. Interact with people if you like them... But that's all.

[@kelsieknock]

Viki Pedia This is what happened to me. I walked away from the fandom and the show at the end of season 10. Came back to the show at the end of season 11 and I found without the fandom my enjoyment of the show went up. I've really enjoyed the last 3 seasons of Supernatural.

[@crussteasock4047]

Proofreading is hard, eh?

[@hannah-gm4bl]

Yeah, I know what you mean. Some fandoms can be very aggressive. I feel like with the Supernatural fandom all people care about is Dean and Cas. Like all I see is Destiel, everywhere. With other fandoms, it makes it more fun. Usually with books the fandom makes it more fun for me. I usually stay away from the fandoms of TV shows, as they tend to be a bit aggressive (not all, just some). And yes, anime/manga fandoms are borderline insane, if not already insane (once again, not all, just some).

[@BobLogical]

This doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but the new season of Young Justice comes out at the end of this year. It's supposed to debut whenever DC's streaming service happens (so whether or not it materializes depends entirely on when they get it together). There's already character designs and a few leaked screenshots. Spoiler's going to be in it.

[@fandommusings5302]

I literally can't wait. I love that show so much. (I had heard it was moving to Netflix. Did that fall through?)

[@BobLogical]

Not so much "fall through" as much as Warner made a bad decision and decided to jump on the streaming platform trend. As far as I know, the original two seasons are still on Netflix for the time being, but they and everything else DC will probably migrate over once the new platform launches. They decided it should be called DC Universe, since that won't be confusing. We're getting a Harley Quinn cartoon out of it, though.

[@fandommusings5302]

Well, if the Harley cartoon is good, it'll be worth it.

[@SisterTheohild]

I don't get the queerbaiting point. It was clear from the beginning for me, that Cas and Dean was ment to be a joke. I still ship them but I know that they never be canon. Same goes for Sherlock and John or Stiles and Derek. Why do people think they will get together just because they have a bromance?

[@warlordera5409]

Alex B. i guess you don't read enough straight romances? because i see it done for laughs quite a few times. and if it's comedy, everything is up for grabs, even "homophobic" ones. Also, I hate the word "queer-baiting", it really is clear it would NEVER happen.

[@SisterTheohild]

Alex B. I have to say that WarLord Era has a point there. You clearly don't read or watch many straight romances... There are so many romances, were you get the feeling that the girl will get together with this boy, because is pushing them together in a few romantic like moments or they already have a great bromance. But in truth, they never get together and the girl or the boy will end up with someone else. But yeah you're right when you say, that queer people and their relationships should be not a joke. But it's done with straight couples too. So I think that is pretty equal.

[@shamidkpzd]

Y'all are making a lot of assumptions about what I read, lol. If anything, I've read/seen more straight romances since that's what dominates literature, tv shows, and movies. But you are describing two different situations. The guy not getting the girl in the end as expected or choosing someone else is a different matter. Maybe it's funny to the audience to subvert expectations, but that's not the equivalent of 'let's put these two in obvious romantic context and then say no homo.' (Also, most of the time when I've seen this, we are meant to sympathize with the one who was rejected. Which is not the case with the characters in this show). The whole joke about the queer baiting ships like Destiel is that it's "funny" to put them together in certain couple like situations, but they'll never be together no matter how gay it looks because the writers won't actually make them queer characters. So it's "funny" that they look like a couple because they're not gay. That is hardly the same thing and it has a rather long history throughout movies and television but I don't have time to write a novel here about that. With Destiel both the writers and actors have admitted to playing up the roles and writing it in a particular way to seem more romantic on purpose. But then they turn around and act surprised when people read them as a romantic couple...way to gaslight your audience folks. Furthermore, the writers have the characters in said romantic coded situations make references to things in lgbtq+ culture in the actual show. And if you are not an active part of this culture you can easily miss these reference, and just think that people are reading too much into a show's characters. But they are put there. On purpose. By the writers. Dean and Cas can have a deep, platonic friendship that is interesting and complex without using romantic tropes and making references to lgbtq+ culture whilst doing so. Instead of committing one way or another, the show runners like to dangle them on string and alienate a group of people who are already starved enough for representation, so they keep biting. Since lgbtq+ representation has a long history of being censored, many romances in the past have been subtext, as just straight text would offend the sensibilities of a mainstream audience and just not be green-lit for distribution. (This is still true in a lot of senses). And the writers have played into this, for the lulz and the viewership. Again, long history of this that is beyond Supernatural and Destiel. There are a number of documentaries and studies about it because it is impossible to condense it all here. The Celluloid Closet however, is a good start.

[@Hannabi98]

I agree completly that's how I see it as well. Plus Derek and Stiles doesn't even have a bromance I mean I ship them but in the show they almost hate each other. If someone wants to see romance between two male and female characters watch Hannibal. Because Will and Hannibal are canon just like Margot and Alana. But of course it got cancelled before the last season...

[@MakiPcr]

Son, that's literally the definition of queerbaiting; toying with a potential queer ship but not having any chance of making it canon.

[@audreymarvin314]

the only reason i kept watching it is because i loved castiel

[@leafpratt]

Wait supernatural is still on I assumed it got cancelled in like 2010 or something

[@fandommusings5302]

I know, right?! Yeah, it's still truckin along somehow.

[@MsOdale7]

You live in a wonderful alternative universe

[@sorcerersapprentice]

I thought the same thing until I heard otherwise.

[@ImJeSsYMaRtY]

nope its still on its got touches of good stuff but when the best character on the show is Lucifer u know the show needs to die

[@giladfaivre5472]

Lucifer is dead and Dean is the vessel for the archangel Michael.

[@hannahrosasco5526]

Same, I dropped supernatural around season 10. The storyline got repeated with slight changes here and there, and I honestly just got bored with it. I'm kind of in the same situation with Harry Potter. I loved the series, but I now feel like it's just getting milked for what it's worth.

[@dharabarot4033]

Completely agree I stopped after 10 because they were not going anywhere development wise

[@slenderfoxx3797]

Hannah Rosasco season 12 was really bad

[@slenderfoxx3797]

Hannah Rosasco nah Harry potters universe has barely been explored

[@atsangel777xd9]

I'm still in the fandom. And it's honestly not that bad. I'm never EVER one to be mean to others online and I know that some ppl inthe fandom have been mean to others people about it, but that's with every fandom. It's not a toxic fandom. But hey that's just my opinion

[@julias4183]

I actually stopped watching supernatural because I found the community became too toxic. Maybe it is because I attending conventions, which tended to draw out some serious crazies. I’m not sure. I just found that every time I was hearing sometime about the fandom it wasn’t a good thing. I am still an avid fan of Misha and random acts, but I can’t enjoy SPN anymore because of how many awful experiences I had within the fanbase.

[@claudiapachecotovar3170]

Well, then sorry for your experience. But a perfect example of my point is this video and section comment. When I get a notification from a like for my comment or a response I always come back and see a little other comments. I don't found any comment from a spernatural fan that is insulting anyone for not like the show or for any of the say in the video, mostly of the people or are agree with it, or just say something like "well, I like it, and for this reasons" they are all pretty chill around here, really suprising in this time bc people are easily triggered and with this video, there should be a lot of haters just saying shit.

[@LibbyLou123444]

Julia S If you base watching a television series on the fandom then what’s the point on watching TV at all?

[@julias4183]

the brave bartender I love a ton of shows and television in general, and more often than not the fanbase has absolutely no effect on me. But I was already somewhat falling off SPN anyway (the show was never my first choice, and I just always found myself being drawn to other shows), but I couldn’t watch anymore after some fans blatant disregard for the actors feelings. After Jared started his campaign for mental illness (a beautiful idea that I think is so important) fans started getting very intense at events. I saw a girl give Jared her razors she used to cut herself with, mind you he is a chronically depressed man. He had to leave and take a break from signing after that. That is so beyond awful. Not to mention fans sexually harassing them during photo ops (grabbing them, kissing them, feeling them sexually WITHOUT permission), attacking their wives on social media, and making them intensely uncomfortable during panels by asking inappropriate questions. Of course if that weren’t enough, I hate creation entertainment (who practically own the show and do own the rights to the actors). They drive up prices sky high to their events, I’m talking 1500 dollars for a weekend “gold” ticket when at their other events it’s 2, maybe 300 dollars because they know the fans will pay it. It was 600 dollars for a 5 maybe 10 second photo op with Jared or Jensen this year. I can’t support that company, they exploit the hell out of the fans. Other than that though, I just got tired of seeing the same story every season and the lack of suspense. It’s always the same “there is a bigger, more bad villain” and the boys end up winning but with a major consequence. There isn’t any suspense because people die and come back time after time after time. It just got stale. I still love and respect the majority of the fans, the actors, and all the hard work that goes into the show. I love the sillier episodes and when I know they are coming on (through my mother who does still avidly watch) I watch them with her. Hopefully my explanation as to why I can’t watch it anymore makes sense.

[@julias4183]

Claudia Pacheco Tovar I agree there are absolutely great fans - I know many, but the ones who are bad are REALLY bad. I’ve seen some deplorable things (see other reply), and I just can’t surround myself with it anymore. It made me feel icky I guess? Like I was part of something that I couldn’t morally allow myself to be, it was bad for my mental health and I’ve found myself much baller having left. Too much infighting, too many people acting inappropriately towards the actors. If you can still enjoy the show I am so glad, I just can’t find enjoyment watching anymore.

[@hybridbutterfly3908]

I think many of the best things SPN did were in the later seasons; the bunker, the Men of Letters, Kevin & Linda Tran, Charlie, Benny, Rowena, Aaron & the golem & the Judah Initiative, Naomi, Abaddon, Gadreel, Donna, Metatron, Garth, Eve, alphas for each species, Jody taking in two girls (Alex raised by vampires & Claire daughter of Jimmy Novak), the fall of the angels, Dorothy & the Oz books are real, Purgatory, Frankenstein was inspired by a real family, Hansel & Gretel was real, the songs from the musical, Scooby Doo crossover, imaginary friends are real, the Clue homage, the tablets, God has a sister.

[@lolscrubs8977]

In my opinion most of these are exactly what made the show so awful (except for Charlie, Rowena and Jody taking the girls). But I respect your opinion and I'm glad you were able to enjoy the later seasons :D

[@user-qb1nw1zi3f]

I wonder if I followed you on tumblr! I jumped ship at the same time. I was so into this fandom, it was basically my social life. But the writing got so bad, and people started going to war. Never gonna forget the 'Silent Majority' rebellion. People would stalk the actors. It all got to be too much. But it will always have a special place in my heart, for when it was good. Also I still read the fic, especially the AUs, because they're amazing.

[@henryalexander7740]

If Supernatural was on HBO it would be a million times better. Less episodes per season, a larger budget to work with. Show's don't need fan service in an episode if deviates from telling a good story. All the seasons have great potential in telling a good story. It's just been executed poorly with a poor budget.

[@fondedits8042]

supernatural used to make me so happy and it breaks my heart that i lost interest. i still go to cons every year because i feel like i'm always going to have room in my heart for the cast, but i just can't bring myself to love the show like i once did. thank you for sharing your thoughts because now i know i'm not the only one who feels this way, great video!!

[@xanbanan]

Ok as a british person: literally everyone watched doctor who, most people agree that Clara was drawn out to much and bill was bland as a character tbh (plz don’t attack me I was looking forward to a cool black lesbian too but like she was soo boring). there is a new show runner now, so maybe the show will get better. fingers crossed

[@zirazee537]

Just Em as another british person: i agree XD

[@sobermind9885]

I disagree about Clara, but agree about Bill... The best thing about the tenth season was the Doctor and the Master's relationship and how it ended (And more than one good idea for the plots of the episodes). Bill was....ok. The best thing that happened to her character was become a cyberman and a part of a omnipresent bean in the end of the season.

[@Danny-he1vc]

I agree on clara, she overstayed her welcome. Also i'd rather had they used victorian age clara instead of modern age clara, vicorian clara had way more personality and initiative (and just was a badass in general) where as i feel modern clara ran after the doctor at first, and later tried to surpass him. I really did enjoy the episode "face the raven" though, it was a good ending to her. (But then they just had to resurrect her, because of course) I disagree on bill though, i found her to be very enjoyable to watch, and a breath of fresh air after clara's reign. I was actually sad to see her go after just one season, i hoped she would've stayed longer

[@byMidnyt]

Same. Someone forgot that the companion is supposed to be the audience surrogate. There was little about Clara that the audience could relate to. It was "Oh, look! Isn't she pretty? Isn't she clever? Don't you want to know more about why she keeps popping up?" Umm, no, not really. Clara was a failed attempt to re-create the mystique that River had when she was first introduced. The best thing they did for her character was "face the raven". She finally felt like more than a plot device. Then they ruined it by bringing her back. While I did enjoy Bill, I have to agree that she was a bit bland. I think another season could have really brought out her potential.

[@MzBabsie]

Agreed, I never felt anything for Bill. My husband liked her a lot, but I thought she was grudgingly boring.

[@veganika3591]

We will never quit.

[@darrenfromwales7978]

As I understand it, supernatural was supposed to finish with Lucifer being beaten by the sacrifice of Sam. CW wanted to carry on, and they own the show, so they would have found a way to carry on my wayward son.

[@gspanzer3226]

I´m still somewhat in the fandom and I still love the show. Of course Season 1-5 were amazing but I dont think that everything after S5 is bad...In fact S12 is one of my favorites. (But Season 13 sucked so much.) The fandom however is just strange. I mean there is still some fanart and cool fanfics but the majority of the fandom consists of fans just fangirling or fighting over ships. I also dont like that the SPN fandom isn´t open for discussion and is very ignorant. For many people it´s their favorite show of all time and that´s fine but that doesn´t mean it´s perfect or that there aren´t any other good shows. People have to admit when the writing or a storyline is bad but they just won´t. Supernatural is a very special show and it means a lot to many people, me included. But even I, after obsessing over Supernatural for many years now, realised that the show isn´t that good anymore and adding a new character, Jack, in season 13 didnt help the show at all. But the fandom just loves Jack therefore they also love Season 13 eventhough it was just terrible. Whenever I tried to give my honest opinion about it people where like: "No, Supernatual is the best show ever. Jack is cute and I loves the new season so much." Nobody wants to listen or honestly discuss something so I kinda left the fandom but I still love the show and Im going to watch it till the end just to see how everything plays out , I hope its coming to an end soon, though.

[@nandinhabcr]

I don't particularly hate season 13 and yeah, everything after s5 wasn't quite as good as the other seasons but I found them somewhat enjoyable. And you're totally right! The fandom, they treat ships like religions and burn people at stakes for shipping different things and like you said, you have a critical opinion over the show and they just throw a hissy fit. I'm a fan of the show but the fandom kinda... Sucks.

[@AlexCorporations]

As someone who braved the ship until the finale: you made the right choice. I probably will remain somewhat irked by the ending until I can fully get it to leave my mind. The fandom became trashier than imaginable, the spin-offs were scrapped, except for the atrocious rewrite of the Winchester parents (John and Mary), and now have to live with the final three episodes (plus a few others throughout the years) replaying in my mind whenever I hear about this show or certain actors/concepts even.

[@FaiaHalo]

This aged like wine

[@carlgibson5535]

For me, underneath the video was an advertisement for Supernatural season 14. I don't know who's responsible, but I applaud them while cursing them at the same time

[@darkninjafirefox]

I loved Supernatural back in the day, I was never deep into the fandom of it but I adored the show and still rewatch the first five sesasons. I kept watching seasons 6-8 or so because I felt that i couldn't keep up with what was happening. I missed the different ghosts and monsters but the show was just focussed on the war between heaven and hell or whatever was happening. I watched the crossover episode with Scooby Doo and they clearly left out the weirdly complicated stuff from the latest seasons so that people who stopped watching in season 6-8 could understand

[@fandommusings5302]

Thats hilarious. I didn't realize they were on Scooby Doo. How weird.

[@nandinhabcr]

I loved the Scooby-doo ep, and it kinda makes sense, like in the show they do make a "lot" of references about thr cartoon. It was fun to watch.

[@EditsByLyra]

I have experienced the exact same fall outs with Supernatural, Doctor Who and Harry Potter. Swan Song was a perfect last episode. I wish it would have stayed like that.

[@mashscriber7414]

I relate to all of this too much. I couldn't get past the 7th season of supernatural or even start with Clara in Doctor who. I think there are certain shows that have a natural ending that feels like a good time to stop and I will watch shows to that point and never really get back into it after. I don't think that makes someone any less of a fan.

[@jay.hartman1789]

God, I hated Clara!

[@dharabarot4033]

God xlara was written so badly, I mean her dynamic with capaldi would have been good to watch if moffett hadn't been such a bad writer

[@zorosboobies5346]

People always ask me why Breaking Bad is my favorite show of all time. Was it the award winning acting? The perfectly synched character development? The fantastic writing that knew just how to play with your emotions, make you cringe, cry, and tense up along with the characters? The clear and prominent direction? The beautiful camera work? *Aaron Paul*? None. I would say it is because it ended, and that plays in as a big to my love for it. It knew it’s time and took it. It’s memory sings perfectly into my mind. But that’s not it. Breaking Bad isn’t my favorite show because it ended. It’s my favorite show because it’s smart. Smart writing. I love smart writing. The “never forget about anything” sort of jabs that leave you oblivious to what hides behind the next corner. You don’t know where the story will take you. You don’t know what is going to come back. The point is, the writers knew what they were doing from the beginning, and everything is just SMART. Nothing is random. Nothing is out of the blue. It makes sense and it leaves you with nothing but the word, “Whoa.” Now, let me get this straight. When I say smart writing, I don’t mean that one horrible episode in Season 10 when the girls who are making a “Supernatural Musical” make a call back to Adam as a silly little giggle. (By the way, why is that a joke in this universe? Meta-humor doesn’t work in anything that isn’t Deadpool. Sam and Dean just look like assholes. “Oopses, Adam’s still dead.” Right. Why don’t you make your characters look even worse. I get why Adam is in hell. It was the...necessary sacrifice, or whatever. The fact that he’s still there is a chuckle for the viewers. Sam and Dean do not live in viewer land. In fact, the fact that Adam is NEVER mentioned again before this ((besides Season 6)) and the lack of direction truly expresses just how serious they were about ending this shit at Season 5. Eric left, god dammit. Move on to another project.) But that’s just me getting off on a tangent. Let me give you an example of what I mean by smart. Let’s take a look at Arrested Development. This is one of my favorite television shows, and honestly a show I think possesses some of the smartest writing I’ve ever seen. Now, it’s not the best example of a show that hasn’t jumped the shark. Though it hasn’t gone to the extent of Supernatural, and the new “revamp” still has it’s hilarious moments, Arrested Development hasn’t aged too well. When I discuss smart writing, I’m talking about Seasons 1-3. (I know Season 3 was horribly rushed, but instead of 22 episodes as planned they were cut to 13 because the show wasn’t making enough money. So, unfortunately, the ending felt seriously rushed, but if they’d been given more time I can tell you it would’ve been a much more fluid and satisfying conclusion that we wouldn’t have to fill with this Netflix revamp.) There are multiple instances in the show where the writing just blows you away, but there’s one specific part I want to talk about. Season 2, Episode 11 “Out On A Limb”. More importantly, one scene at the very end of this episode. For context, from Season 1-2 Buster (the youngest son in the Bluth family which the Arrested Development show is written around) is profoundly babied by his mother Lucille and alienated from his other siblings as a 32 year-old who still lives at home. Not only that, but she is seen throughout episodes (much earlier) telling Buster not to go into the ocean and that it’s too dangerous for him. In an act of defiance he joins the army, (but misses the bus) so he can run onto the beach, into the ocean as a one last “screw you, mom” before he leaves. As he does this a man on shore screams, “That seal! Watch out for that seal!” But “that seal” sounds like “Lucille”, so Buster shouts back, “I don’t care about Lucille anymore!” And then a seal bites off his hand. This is smart writing. This is writing that gets you thinking. Did they name “Lucille” Lucille this WHOLE time just to end up at this punchline? Not only that, but throughout Season 1 and early 2 there are hints to what will happen next. Including a scene where Buster ends up across town with the Hispanic woman who cleans his mother’s house (and steals her stuff), and finds his hand chair that he lost. To that he says, “I have one just like that at home. Never thought I’d miss a hand so much.” Remember, this is many many episodes before Buster actually loses his hand. Not to mention it isn’t treated like a crazy punchline for later. It isn’t even really a joke until you think back. In another scene (again) before this episode, Lucille and Buster are taking pictures on the beach, and the seal that bites off Buster’s hand can be seen jumping in the water behind them. But it’s almost accidental that the camera man brushes past it at all. There’s even an earlier scene where Lucille turns on the news (and is surprised by something else) but the reporter also mentions “A seal attack.” Though, to top it all off, when Buster is waiting at the bench on the beach, which says ARMY (something) OFFICER, he sits in a way to which all you can see are the words “ARM OFF”. Come on . I mean COME ON. If this is the smartest writing I’ve ever seen.... This is my problem. Supernatural doesn’t have this. It’s lack of direction or order with anything leaves it feeling messy. This wasn’t apparent in Season 1-5, but that’s just because in Seasons 1-5 Supernatural was actually going somewhere. There was a point. An end goal. Everything was leading up to something greater, so the writing didn’t have to be too smart, because the purpose was clear. The characters had something to develope. It made sense. Season 6 development was still there in a sense, but even then it was going down hill. Right now, Season 14, we’re left with the remains of Sam and Dean Winchester. Everything they do, EVERYTHING, does not matter. They’ve been developed. They’ve come to their end. There is no other point to reach. They are now static characters, and have been since Season 8. Sure, things have happened. But there is no perspective shift anymore. They don’t see the world differently. If anything, they are going through the same character arches again and again. There is this one episode. It was when Billie was the new Death (Hated her, she served no purpose and did nothing to move the plot. Her threats to kill Sam and Dean were bland, and she never went through with them.) and Dean got sent to her “Book World”. (I don’t know where the fuck he was.) Anyways, they were talking. Dean says he wants to die. He’s sick of the hunt. He’s tired. Can’t remember what Billie says, but the point is, this has already happened. Does anyone remember Season 5? Because I do, and I know for a fact Dean followed the same exact arch. Even steming from Season 4, as it built to him deliberately locking himself and an “infected” Sam in a room in the episode Croatian. This is where he confesses it all to Sam. Then, fully coming around the cornor, “Point of No Return” where Dean is seen fully willing and ready to accept Michael, writing something that could be described as a suicide note. Then Adam takes his place, and by the end of the episode, Dean’s view has shifted. He has a new motivation. THAT is a character arch. We’ve been through this Dean. Even during the Season Charlie dies (can’t remember which, they all kind of mix up after Season 7.) Where Sam is trying to save Dean and goes, “He’s been saving me forever, time to save him.” Sam....w h a t? But you have? You did?! YOUR WHOLE FUCKING CHARACTER ARCH WAS THAT YOU FINALLY GOT TO SAVE DEAN AND THE GOD DAMN WORLD. YOU JUMPED INTO THE FUCKING PIT. THAT WAS IT. YOU SAVED EVERYONE AND DEAN GOT A NORMAL LIFE. FUCK. Fuck. Jesus. .. Supernatural was never a great show. But now, it’s comparable to General Hospital. They’ve even given up with any creative direction torwards the camera work. Everything is bland. Everything is poorly written. It does not leave you panting around the corner, desperately waiting to see what happens next like Breaking Bad. It doesn’t even know what it’s doing or where it’s going next, like Arrested Development. It’s just....dead. Supernatural is Happy Days. I’m upset.

[@zorosboobies5346]

You never realize how many words you can write until you write them.

[@ariafaline5221]

People boycotting the show because of "queer baiting" seems a little extreme to me. I personally have never viewed their relationship as romantic, and a lot of the "Destiel Subtext" seen on Tumblr is taken completely out of context. I suppose I can see why people ship Destiel, but I don't feel like they've ever baited fans with it. Also, SPN is a CW show. A certain amount of angst, cheesy-ness, and bad writing is to be expected. That's the nature of the channel. Some seasons are certainly better than others, but there are aspects of every season that I've enjoyed. And aspects of every season that I've disliked (some more than others). S1-S5 are the best, but that doesn't make the rest garbage. In fact, contrary to common opinions, I loved S9-S11. S8 and S12 were good as well. S6-S7 are not my favorites, but I don't think they are bad enough to stop watching over. I'm also loving S13 so far (I just started it). The cast is also full of genuinely good people, and the relationships they have with each other are amazing and rare in the industry. I guess what I'm saying is that SPN should be taken with a grain of salt, and enjoyed for what it is. I don't think it should be viewed from an overly critical perspective because plot holes, inconsistencies, and such are to be expected from any CW show. Personally, SPN (and it's wonderful cast) brings me a great amount of joy, so even though it's not the best show I've ever watched, it is my all-time favorite. I can look past it's flaws because I love what is represents at its core.

[@merls1642]

Aria Faline …I think you've just become my favourite person on the Internet, bless you

[@cypher787]

i ran into a woman at the grocery store about a year ago who was the biggest fucking lunatic supernatural fan ive ever seen like i was at the deli and it was just me and this random 50ish woman small talking somehow we got onto the topic of supernatural. after telling her i was a fan i was treated to about 40 mins of her talking to me about the show, her showing me like a hundred pics of her at cons with jared and jensen like multiple pics at different cons. oh and she has the tattoo that sam and dean have to keep from being possessed. she showed me even though i didnt ask her to. the final nail in the batshit crazy coffin was when she told me that jared and jensen were actually gay in real life and their marraiges were fake. i swear to god im not making this story up

[@elyXchaz]

Usually I quit fandoms not shows. Like with Doctor Who, I loved Steven Moffat, so being on tumblr and loving what he did was not healthy for me, I also received some anon hate for that. So at some point I just watched it without searching other people opinions anymore, when I had to say something about it, I tweeted it. Anyway I'll probably quit DW with the new series, because I don't really care about a female Doctor tbh. (Not saying this on DW because you quit it, I used this series as an example because it was the only one were I was quite active in places like tumblr and forums.)

[@menae8540]

Yet you hear the song "carry on my wayward son", you cry and you are like "PLEASE BE FOREVER, I DONT WANT THIS TO BE OVER"

[@TJGarvey]

Supernatural is still fun tho

[@SquirrellyFries]

Thank you.

[@bluureil2188]

Yeah season 13 is pretty decent.

[@TJGarvey]

Blu Ureil I’ve liked it a lot, I really enjoyed season 12 too. The great thing about Supernatural is that even when an episode or story may be lacking, Jared and Jensen bring their A game every episode and are so entertaining together.

[@saintsfps5348]

season 13 was good but the ending was trash

[@TonyMacroni633]

Right, they just team up with Scooby-Doo

[@EmB856]

I agree with you, when a fandom is no longer fun/you find something that you're more into, then there's no shame in leaving it. I've been in fandoms online since 2006, and man have I gone through different ones. I usually stay active in one for a few years, pick up something new and go back to old ones now and then. I'm going through a period of Doctor Who and Torchwood now (mainly reading fics), and before that I went back to Harry Potter and Pacific Rim for half a year or so. I'm a bit reserved to go into a new fandom these days, especially after seeing the drama in the Star Wars fandom on tumblr.

[@simonefabiane9562]

But they ended with Wincest, and Cas fucked off to Superhell so it was an awesome ending for me. I eventually started hating Cas and despise Mishmash. Even Jensen hated the whole lot of them. The writing is all Singer and Dabb's fault.

[@everyonehasmynames2420]

I still follow the show, seasons 7 through 9 and debatably ten are pretty shabby but 11 and up you may believe more effprt is added, and I'm glad I've stuck through. As for the fandom, I joined as quickly as I left honestly. I don't have cable, so either I wait about ten months for a new season to release or I deal with the CW app which release times vary (I also have schedule conflicts) so the spoilers were a big contrubution-- kudos to the people who can make GIFs overnight but cmon, stick to the two week rule at least. Secondly, I mainly dislike fandoms in general due to ships, as I am not invested in content just because two characters have chemistry, and the "wars" just make me not want to appreciate the show, which can be pretty dangerous honestly.

[@sofianna1984]

In a way I agree. But honestly, for me the good in spn fandom still outweights the bad. Granted, there's hella lot annoying fans but I suppose that's part of every fandom. Personally I've found many cool people and my best friend just because of the fandom. Thanks to the actors the AKF campaign is a huge part of the fandom, which is very important to me. Also gish is goddamn awesome. But hey, we all have our opinions. This is just mine.

[@Kleineganz]

I didn't start watching Supernatural until 2016. I binged the first 11 seasons before season 12 came out. Personally, I still find it a lot of fun and I'm still in love with the series and where it's gone up until now. I agree, if a show and fandom stops being fun, fans should't feel obligated to keep watching/participating. You lost your enjoyment for Supernatural and you left and that's entirely your right. I'm still having fun with (including reading/writing fan fics for the show), so I'm going to keep sticking around. :)

[@ImHatingHard]

I could not finish season 8. I was so bored, and every time I would hear about something moderately interesting happening (Lucifer is back, Chuck is back, Deanmon, Gabriel is back, etc.) in future seasons I could not be entertained enough to stick through. I also feel like they wimped out of a lot of would be interesting plot points to keep the fandom satiated, which while I find endearing, does not a good show make. Supernatural will always be one of shows I keep near and dear in my heart, and the cast is full of amazing, good, talented people, but I'm more entertained by fanfiction than I am anything they've come up with in the last few years.

[@ravencassidy1979]

I've been a dedicated Supernatural fan..since 2005...still love it..even though it evolved into a new dynamic storyline

[@LadyOfTheEdits]

Same ❤️

[@NightofthelivingSeb]

I still love supernatural even if seasons 7-9 or even 10 were pretty eh... but it picked up at eleven. At least for me

[@tylerbregg9332]

though it did have it's ups and downs I never hated or disliked any season of supernatural and it only got better from 11 on ward

[@gabriellea6470]

Loyal to my Supernatural boys to the end

[@electrocast]

The main thing that gets me to quit fandoms is, aside from just losing interest, people in the fandom trying to force something that isn't canon down everyone's throats & not tagging it. Like not tagging "the popular ship" so I can avoid it if I don't like it, or not tagging "the weird fandom kink" if I find it gross. You'd be surprised by the amount of times this has happened to me. Everyone thinks if something is popular they don't have to warn for it or label it, even if it contains a common trigger...

[@nateskinner97]

I still like the show, but I do agree it is slowly dying. It should have probably wrapped up earlier but I'm still interested enough to watch the new episodes.

[@SunShine-ve5nr]

No matter what I will continue to watch it. Obviously there will be ups and downs for a show on for 14 yrs with 23 episodes each. And every season, there is couple of outstanding epic meta episodes like baby, fan fiction...and we have J2. They have grown so wonderfully as actors.

[@RI_NZ17]

I don't read fanfic or follow all the fan sites/IG/Facebook pages etc. BUT I am sorry, I will never, Never, NEVER....... QUIT SUPERNATURAL! Ever! As long as they are on, I will watch it! Yes they had some slow seasons but they always redeem themselves. I have never ever stuck with a show this way. I LOVE Supernatural.

[@TheWtfnonamez]

I am a huge Supernatural fan, and I will follow it until the end. But even I will admit that the show is basically like watching some close friends confuse a wonderful relationship with marriage material. This was a 4-5 year relationship stretched out to a 15 year marriage where they sleep in separate beds. Personally I could watch Sam and Dean if the whole season was devoted to them setting up an antiques store and renovating a house. I find the characters that likeable. But you cant escape the fact that the series went off-trajectory. I dont know the history of the writers involved, but a point came when the show started to get woke, forgot essential aspects of the characters, and started doing random stuff to "mix it up". Im talking "walking dead" levels of amateur inconsistent nonsense because some immature and inexperienced writer confused "being completely random" with "having an original idea". There is a difference between surprising the audience, and not making sense. And this show felt like either the decent writers left and were replaced by interns, or everyone ran out of ideas. I still buy the bluerays every year and will until the end. But this show started out as rock and roll, and gradually transformed into waiting room muzak. The actors however, I will never forget. And Cas and Bobby are legends. But dragging Gamergater Felicia Day into the show was a betrayal frankly. I dont personally mind her as an actor, but it just looked like CW making some kind of solidarity statement with Gamergate. It was about corrupt journalists... not feminism... until the feminist journalists took over the debate.... people that Felicia Day incidentally parties with.

[@TheMarine316]

the last 3 seasons are just as good if not better then the first 5 seasons

[@33Luger]

themarine0316 The budgets were tiny back then and a little embarrasing. Nostalgia about the first five years?

[@flutey28]

themarine0316 I still love it

[@WickerSticksSinema]

Im a feature length film Director ( not to toot the ol’ horn, but) Here’s what I would do to fix all this… Take things back to the basics and work with the strengths of the show. I would make a feature length film that took place after the events of Season 5 as an epilogue. Seasons 1-5 have a specific tone that defined the show. It was scary, it was dark , it was heartwarming and it had STEAKS. There would be no “ End of the world or grand scale scenario”… You can’t outdo the final steaks of season 5, so you tell a personal story. The movie would address a 20 year time gap of Dean living his life with his new family and legitimately being happy, but is repressing his inner darkness regarding Sam’s fate in Hell, meanwhile Sam being trapped in the spirit realm on earth with other nasty ghosts. He was pulled from Hell due to his heroic sacrifice. Both Sam and Dean can’t move on until they accept their Fates.

[@InternetUnraveled]

Lol wtf is with people wanting Main characters and family members to fall in love, Cas is Deans Brother not Lover, Dean is clearly Straight

[@fandommusings5302]

M3RK Jay so, remember when I said that the discussions about gay relationships got increasingly hostile and frustrating? This is a good example of that.

[@InternetUnraveled]

Fandom Musings Fanfic is stupid And Weird just watch the show, Next your going to tell me Sam and Dean should be Lovers

[@InternetUnraveled]

Fandom Musings im ok with gay Relationships But Dean And Cas Clearly see each other as brothers, And dean had been Straight since the Beginning of the show

[@skylx0812]

After the series Sherlock ended some in the LGBT began asking "...do you think we overdid the gay??" The show was laced with gay subtext and coy scenarios that could be manipulated into gay memes on purpose to tittlelate fans. In retrospect it seems some in the community began to feel it all was a bit much. From what I understand the SPN cast did say they were directed to basically eye fuck to get the same results like in Sherlock for the fans. It seems to show in the gag reels where the cast are hamming it up and vamping for the camera. There seems to be a good deal of passive agressive behavior in the behind the scenes clips. If the guys didn't agree with what they were told to do it seems to show in the bloopers.

[@TheDevler23]

I made it to season 12 with SPN but bailed before the finale. Went from having a huge Tumblr following to abandoning my entire blog practically overnight. For this exact reason. It stopped being fun. Even conventions weren't fun anymore, with fans threatening Misha with physical harm ffs! I still do Doctor Who because I have kids who absolutely adore it still. I find enjoyment in watching my kids enjoy the nonsense. What I find frustrating is that I've always been the one to drag my friends along with me into fandoms, but I always seem to reach my Done Point before they do. So they try to gossip with me about fandom drama and I just blink at them because I have no idea whats going on anymore.

[@rax0018]

I agree with you mostly. I still watch the show but I have only involved myself within the fandom last year because usually I stay away from fandoms. The fandom in my opinion can be quiet agressive from time to time. However, I think the show got a lot better from s 10 on and s 13 was actually quiet good. But since s 7 I think about quitting the show because even if it's still fun I also care about a good storyline

[@RS-ip8gw]

I stopped watching after season 12 but I guess people still watch or follow tje fandom not because of the story or how each episode amuses you but connection to the character and main plot --- family, loyalty and facing your own demons. I have never considered myself a fangirl nor see dean and sam attractive. But I realized the reason why I got hooked is because my dad died when I was 9 and mbrother was 7. I see myself in sam and dean I feel like SPN fans have deeper reasons why they follow and stay. It may seem corny but SPN made me realize family is a choice and it is ok to cut off family who hurt you and start making your own family through friends

[@justmekim5571]

I watch supernatural and I love it. A friend of mine is on season 13 and is still excited about the show. What I mean, you might give the series another chance I think it's worth it

[@LadyOfTheEdits]

That's good hehe I too love supernatural ❤️

[@ianthesilverfire5224]

Oh my gosh, you made me realize something. I bailed on the Disney fandom (I guess?). I love Disney. I just love animation in general, but Disney holds a special place in my heart (faults and all). But I stopped talking to many people about it because they were so determined to pick apart everything. Beauty and the Beast is Stockholm Syndrome, Alice in Wonderland is drugs (which you've covered), Walt Disney was anti-ist-mist-ism. On and on. I took another adult friend to go see Frozen and she couldn't stop talking about "lol, Kristoff and beastiality". I got so worn out over it I stopped interacting with the fandom.

[@leafpratt]

Also I feel like fandoms form out of a need to be a part of a group so maybe you leaving are signs your becoming more of an independent person

[@fandommusings5302]

I think that's part of it. I'm still really into some of my fandoms, but the way I engage with them has definitely changed as I've gotten older.

[@potatowithapen5224]

For supernatural I really liked the show and I still kinda watch it, into season 9. But I’m a dumb teenager and I can’t really tell if I like a show while I’m watching it because, in the moment I like it. But looking back I can definitely see where the writing started lacking and the war took too much of the focus and too many twists that wasn’t enjoyable anymore. I’m not sure when I lost my drive to watch it but I don’t think I’m going to be watching it anymore, but for some people it might be enjoyable to watch.

[@VictorPereira-sj7wb]

Charlie was the only good thing in Season 8

[@SPTX0907]

Charlie was the only good thing ever, she shined a light into their dreary world, but the powers that be took that beautiful shining light and snuffed it out.

[@Nepthu]

@@SPTX0907 Charlie was in like 5 episodes of a series with more than 300 episodes. Your comment is like praising a drop in the ocean and makes ZERO sense.

[@Chocobear555]

@@SPTX0907 : No. Not really. She was in a handful of episodes. While she was a good character, I do feel that she's overrated. Especially when I read comments like yours. "Charlie was the only good thing ever," JRDRA997? I mean ... seriously?

[@michaeldiekmann6494]

No monsters anymore. Only glowing eyes, beams and throwing people against walls. Its lame

[@robanah]

You clearly have never been to a Supernatural Convention! I'm still a huge fan, been watching since 2007, sure the writing is terrible now..... But sticking around because the characters and the actors are great..... Not to mention all the charity work they've done over the years

[@hannah-gm4bl]

I definitely agree with you here. They just milked the hell out of this show. It’s sad to see because it was so good. Swan Song felt like an ending to me until they hit me with Sam and Chuck. Now, don’t get me wrong, I still loved some of the later seasons. Especially Cas, he is also my favorite. Little angel bby. I still haven’t finished the show yet, but I already know that it was only supposed to run for 5 seasons, not 15. I’m still going to watch until the end, because honestly, I can’t stop myself.

[@spaceland-fae5264]

Lucky you, missing out on season 9. God I wish that was me

[@miavelletri]

"fandoms should be fun" i love how you phrased it

[@molcatz9634]

Poorly written female characters? So you're saying jo, ellen, meg, charlie, jodi, and eileen were all bad characters? Wow. Also how can you say they don't like the fandom? They literally made the fan fiction episode for the fans! Not to mention they added specific things to the show at the request of fans(such as the rug with the devil trap underneath idea). And destiel has NEVER BEEN CANNON so don't say queerbaiting like they intentionally made us think they'd have a relationship in the show. It was a purely fan made up idea. NOTE-I am not a destiel shipper and never will be. And finally for all those who say the episodes aren't original anymore I call bullshit. They've introduced so many new things to the mythology, such as the men of letters, nephilem, imaginary friend creatures, the wizard of oz being a real place, an alternate reality where Sam and dean weren't born and therefore couldn't stop the apocalypse creating a mad max style dystopian world, and even meeting freaking God! Not to mention the different styled episodes, such as the scoobynatural crossover episode, a episode filmed entirely from the point of view of the impala, a reservoir dogs/ pulp fiction-esqe episode, and as I mentioned before the episode fanfiction where they had supernatural the musical. There, I said my piece. Take with it what you will.

[@fandommusings5302]

Molcat Z if your argument is "the show is still good! They had a canon crossover with Scooby Doo!" I think I made the right choice

[@molcatz9634]

Fandom Musings I was pointing out that you claimed that after season 5 the show wasn't fun any more. A fact which just isn't true. Some of the best episodes which I mentioned above came after season 2. I noticed you failed to comment on the other points I made. What's the matter, no rebuttal? Honestly it's fine if you don't like the show anymore, everyone is entitled to their opinions and I respect that. Just please don't go saying the show has no more creativity because that is so not true.

[@fandommusings5302]

Molcat Z Im not sure why you think I WANT to debate SPN with you when this whole video is about how, along with what I felt was a decline in writing quality, that hostile fandom debate made interacting with spn fandom frustrating and unfun. Like, do I want to debate with you about why I think most of spn's female characters were poorly written? No. No I dont.

[@molcatz9634]

Fandom Musings your statement is counterintuitive. If you didn't want to debate it then maybe you shouldn't have replied to my initial comment. Just saying.

[@BDMC07]

The reason the first 5 seasons were awesome and as a whole written so well is because the shows creator Eric Kripke only intended the show to go five seasons. The episode "swan song" which was the season 5 finale was also meant to be the series finale. The creator of Supernatural plotted the show out to be this way. After season 5 Kripke left the show and another show-runner took over for the shows creator. Replacing Eric Kripke proved to be harder then they thought because it literally took the new show-runners 3 years to find a real good arch to follow. I mean like she said seasons 6, 7 and 8 were brutal. Sure they had some good points but on a whole those three seasons were horrible and painful to get through. Finall season 9 came around and the show began to find its identity again which was kind of the old identity it had because it focused back onto the heaven and hell storyline which is what the show followed in the first 5 seasons. Now even though seasons 9-13 have pretty much found the shows form again it still doesnt compare to the first five seasons.

[@Nicolinka19]

well, see and I think SPN got better since season 8. That's when it gets interesting.

[@LockwoodE3]

I can’t agree more, I left Doctor Who and supernatural because of those reasons. It was very hard to explain to people who had no idea why I left

[@lurchsenpai6056]

I came into the Supernatural-fandom super late (Like 3 months ago) and have progressed until season 9 so far. I agree, the female writing sucks ass (Except for Charlie and Meg). My favourite character is and probably always will be Crowley simply because he's that lovely kind of douchebag with a healthy amount of sass. Some of the ships simply creep me out, thats why I don't go into the fanfiction and fanart area of it anywhere in the internet. I gotta admit, I think the 'these guys are gay' comments from characters IN the show about the brothers are funny, but I certainly don't want to read or even think about Dean and Sam having sexual intercourse. Like seriously, they are brothers...Thats just nasty. That's like shipping Fred & George Weasley...Oh damnit wait, that's being shipped too. Anyway, a great and informative video! I think I'll never ever read any kind of fanfiction regarding Supernatural. Not that everything is bad, I don't want to offend anyone there. And IF a Dean/Sam shipper reads this comment: Please explain to me why you like this ship without insulting me. Sorry for the large comment, have nice day :)

[@Hannabi98]

Lurch Senpai Yeah I agree it's creepy and wrong. And the only reason why people started shipping it in my opinion is because Jared and Jensen are handsome and back in the first 3 season there were no Castiel or Gabriel or Benny for example so they were the only two male characters so let's ship them.....even if they are brothers.....like wtf?

[@demikal]

Hanabi199823 I completely agree with you and they given came up with a name wincest gross. I remember when Jo and Dean were starting to have a relationship and all the fan girls were pissed. It ended up going nowhere cause of the fandom. Heart was good but again they could have tried to save the girl more but they didn't want Sam to have a steady gf. The fandom didn't want to see the boys with girls but with each other? I believe now they are asexual. Season 10 for me was the worse the characters changed I don't want to give away spoilers but Rowena and especially Charlie become silly. I don't like it when a show changes it's characters to fit a story line. Yet I still watch the show I like Jack-don't judge me.

[@WolfHub]

You are completely right about supernatural but miss me with the doctor who hate.

[@lucifer0247]

And no they dont make jokes about fans, in contrast they really appreciate them, always mentioning them in the Show, even make whole episodes only for the fans / towards the fans, like the musical one! It is really sad that u stopped watching cause u missed a lot of those episodes then.and no, it is no Queerbait, Fanfiction is often enough mentioned. But the main potion of fans dont want a gay relationship, so they wont do it. IT would also be totally gainst deans character and nature , just by the way

[@EditsByLyra]

Supernatural was so dear to me. I quit after S8 too, and I can barely remember the storylines from S6 onward (except for the relationship between Dean&Cas) because they were so boring. When the last season was announced, my heart broke into tiny pieces because I'm not gonna be able catch up and watch SPN as it ends and be there for my favorite show in the last moments.

[@EditsByLyra]

To be more specific about my Dean&Cas comment: I don't actually ship them but they were the best thing about the show at some point, and I would have shipped it if I didn't feel unashamedly queerbaited by the writers.

[@themodernmonarchist]

It's still good.

[@jamesduke5128]

I have an obsession with angels and this show gives me more than I can get anywhere else. I can give you a list of all portrayals of the archangels in movies and tv but none of them satisfy me like this show.

[@CassMaxwell13]

Had to stop the video at 5 minutes because you’re not even getting the seasons right. Season 7 was the Leviathan season and I agree it was a flip flop but it had its moments. The show was so so from about season 6-8 after season 9 started to pick up I thought it gave the show a reboot. If you had kept watching the female characters get much better they made a pilot like spin off called wayward sisters in season 13 featuring Jody Mils and Clair as the main characters. I thought it was very good and I can not wait for it to be a made a show if that’s what’s in the cards. The one thing the show always ends on is a down note with a “what do we do now?!” Kinda thing and it seems they’ve found a formula for the show and it works. It could keep going till season 16 and I’d still anticipate every episode. They go one episode main story line, next episode monster of the week, next episode monster of the week with bits pertaining to the plot and then big exciting episode about main plot rinse and repeat until season finale. In my opinion this is how they can draw in ppl who don’t watch the show regularly for one episode and keep the die hard fan fed with the main plot. I hope it never stops.

[@moribundtoot8183]

Totally agree on the first 5 seasons. The rest of Supernaturla goes absolutely nowhere. Oh, if you thought Moffat was bad for Dr Who you should watch Chibnall's run (or Chinballs as we affectionately call him). Its reached spectacular levels of shite under his guidance. Makes me long for Moffat to return.

[@kittea24]

They have female character’s?

[@MoonStruckBunnyIRL]

You know why it felt like Swan Song was where it should of ended, because that's where it ended. That was Kripke's plan and then the CW wanted more so he just peaced out. He's come back as a consultant for season 13 and kind of righted the course of the show, at the very least made some stuff more believable about why it's happening, but it'll be lucky to make it to a decent ending with all of the bull that's it's done so far. It really needs to die already and 14 may just be it's last since pretty much all retention is gone from it and they've killed off all the good will of the people who weren't rabid for it. I also liked the line of the idea of Cas and Dean being a punchline for the writers and not something more malicious as some people would believe.

[@lucifer0247]

Actually the Show got really interesting in the last 3 Seasons. They had a really down in season 8, 9 and 10. But they got back up. I especially liked the Season with God and his Sister. Some of the best Episodes were in the last 3 to 4 Seasons. Like the Musical, the LArp Convention, or scooby doo :D

[@bluureil2188]

Z0dd TV Honestly, those are more like nuggets of good self aware stuff that treats the show like the dramady it's ment to be in the middle of filth. Those episodes alone are worth watching but the rest.... maybe not

[@DocKrazy]

The reason why I don't completely quit the fandom is I want to see where the train wreck lands. I want to see and analyze all the failures. I might not interact with the fandom if I already lost hope for a decent cathartic ending for a story, but I will surely stick with the ride By the by, season 13 was so upsetting to me personally though. I legit get pissed at that one. The others are mostly mediocre, but that one's just nope. So yeah, I analyze and see what mistakes I don't want to make as a writer. Cheers

[@Stephen-Fox]

If your issue with Who was specifically Moffat related rather than the show generally, he's gone now. And who knows what Chibnall will do with it. And this happens with Who. A lot. A change of producer and/or script editor for the first 26 seasons, or the lead writer now, can completely change the tone, feel, and in some cases genre the show is - S17 (Which had Douglas Adams as script editor, who was writing very much in the comedic style he's known for) is barely recognizable from S18 (probably the show at it's most 'serious' sci-fi it's ever been), aside the same TARDIS team until half way through S17, for a prior example. I'm not saying you owe yourself trying it again with the change in showrunner, nothing so ridiculous - I'm saying that if you want to give the show another chance, this is likely a good point to do so - Narratively everything's going to be new (New Doctor, new companions, and so forth), and a new showrunner on top of that means that everything's up in the air as to what the show will be like for the next few years.

[@fandommusings5302]

I AM going to try again with the new Doctor. It really was Moffat more than anything that killed the show for me, so with him leaving....and I like the idea of Jodi Whitaker playing the Doctor. So we'll see.

[@erickvoshel1]

Yes, give the new season of Doctor Who a shot. It might turn out to be a pleasant surprise I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing what Chris Chibnall will do with Jodie Whitaker as the new Doctor. I hope you will too. As for Supernatural, I was really hoping that the CW would pick up "Wayward Sisters" which would have allowed the Supernatural franchise to move beyond Sam & Dean, but I believe the CW was afraid of killing it's golden goose & the network decided not to pick up the spin-off series. However, the CW chose to pick up "Legacies" which is an expansion of the universe on "Vampire Diaries" & "The Originals" that I'm really looking forward to as well. The show will air on October 11th after Supernatural this Fall on the CW. The show's first season will consist of 13 episodes. If Supernatural isn't your thing anymore, give "Legacies a try.

[@singingsiren82]

FYI, Adam is now a running joke in the show. Every once in the while they'll throw out the fact that he is still in Hell. They just finished season 13, season 14 starts in October. I do agree at about Season 8 things took a turn, though Season 13 was significantly better than the prior seasons. I do have to avoid some fandom forums because they do get too serious, especially on turning the Cas/Dean relationship into Gay relationship instead of a bromance. I have my opinions on it, just not gonna argue about it. I barely interact with the Doctor Who fandom. One time I did and was quickly swatted down because I said Dr Who instead of Doctor Who.

[@CendaquentaBooks]

I fell out of Doctor Who fandom with 11 too... his first episode actually. Just bailed. Eventually rewatched it all on Netflix last year and yeeaaaahhh, still can't stand him. Or Amy. I loved 12 though and am eagerly anticipating Jodie Whittaker as 13! 😁

[@fandommusings5302]

I'm actually gunna try again with 13. No more Moffat is key.

[@moizzzproductions]

ya twelve was lovely, especially the last season...

[@58209]

oh good i'm not the only one who bailed after 11's first episode. i couldn't fathom why so many people liked him.

[@maimishou]

I came in with series 6 and so far Bill from series 10 is my favorite companion. I loved Clara in her first half season and the 2013 specials but not so much in series 8 and 9. I’m not too big on Moffat but the show hasn’t lost me yet as I still like it. Definitely looking forward to series 11, whenever that drops.

[@hannahbuckley708]

season 10 (the last one) felt like the start of a new era in my mind. The writing has improved a lot and looks like it will only be on the up when Moffat leaves. After the horror of series 8 I nearly gave up too, but hopefully 13 will be the breath of fresh air that the fandom needs haha

[@ultrademigod]

I can't speak for Supernatural as I've never watched it, but in my experience most shows begin to lag after 4 seasons. They tend to go through a similar pattern. S:1 Introduce the characters, and set down the rules for the in show universe. S:2 Increase the drama, and possibly bring in a new antagonist. S:3 Add at least 1 new major cast member, and again maybe a new antagonist, and up the stakes. S:4 Rinse and repeat. S:5 Up the ante yet again. This is where many shows start to feel the strain and lose some viewers, either because, they have become stale, or they no longer resemble the original show. S:6 Try more and more ridiculous things to keep or gain new fans. After that it's over, even if they continue to make the show. Shows can do this over a longer or shorter period, depending on the quality and numbers of writers, along with how much money they have to spend, but they all end up sucking if they're on for too long. Cartoons and kids shows can be exempt from this process, probably because they're not playing by regular rules to start with.

[@BrokenDarkFire]

I love this video! You’ve put into words something I’ve felt about Supernatural for a long time. And people don’t actually talk much about why people quit fandom or even quit source material entirely. I used to watch Supernatural sporadically because I didn’t really have time for fall/winter shows in high school, but the story always managed to keep my attention and keep me excited. By the time I was in college, I didn’t enjoy the show very much. The queerbaiting was a big reason why I quit the fandom, because by season 10 or 11, the potential of the Destiel ship was one of the very few things I enjoyed anymore. I actually tuned back in for season 13, but only casually. There are better shows and more fun fandoms, like you said.

[@fandommusings5302]

Very much agreed. By the end, Destiel was the only reason I was watching, and it was more and more obvious that it was just queerbaiting and not slow burn. And like, I'm an adult now. I can just go buy books with actual gay characters when I want to.

[@Jah_LEASE_yah]

UGH I hate people saying that they hate Supernatural when they admit they haven't seen past season 8. mid way through season 8 it gets so good! and continues to be good from that point forward. All my favorite seasons are after season 8. I don't involve myself in online fandom. I just enjoy watching.