The Fastest Gaming Laptop in the World - XMG Neo 16 Review (2024)

[@JarrodsTech]

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[@estifanosbireda1892]

@JarrodsTech do you recommend buying laptops with the 13th and 14th gen intel cpus? There is a problem with the desktop version of these cpus and there has also been some reports on the "HX" version of these cpus. Have you noticed any instabilities with these laptops? I know the instabilities arise later in time but just curious.

[@73greycat43]

Hi just checking, did you review the model with the mini-led?

[@Prakash7045]

Please suggest do I go for dell g15 from the deals website?

[@a3per818]

I wonder how much of a difference a cooling pad would make *while* in water cooling mode

[@joederp7512]

Off the video topic above the Weeping world is Insomnium's best album

[@Kumoiwa]

Not offering an OLED or MiniLED screen in a 3000+ bucks laptop is criminal imo

[@ShuriShoto]

True

[@PomuLeafEveryday]

I only want OLED if it's a touchscreen. Otherwise the matte LCD is much easier on the eyes, less glare too. OLED always gets paired with glossy screens and I hate it.

[@elderman64]

​@@PomuLeafEveryday How is that an OLED issue lol, just manufacturers being not the smartest people

[@escapetherace1943]

OLED is a meme anyways, totally still not worth it

[@elderman64]

@@escapetherace1943 I assume this is what Apple users think like when they still use a 60hz crappy display

[@michaelwesten4624]

fun fact, if the cooler fan didn't have RBG on it, it wouldn't be able to cool as much as it does now. the flashy colours are integral to it's performance

[@EpicBunty]

The opposite actually lol

[@arkadiuszkawak6379]

woosh? ​@@EpicBunty

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

RGB = more FPS 😎😎🗿🗿

[@ShuriShoto]

RGB= Reasonable Gaming Boost

[@Spurdospaerde692]

The liquid is not distilled water, but actual clown puke.

[@xmg_gg]

Thank you Jarrod for this extremely detailed and comprehensive review. It's nice to see how many performance records can be broken just by providing even better cooling to the CPU. Also, the additional airflow with active keyboard cooling helps a lot. The same concept is also available in this year's XMG EVO 15, XMG CORE 15 and XMG FUSION 15, as they all use the same new keyboard with separate cursor keys, 4-row numpad and subtle yet effective air intake. One small clarification (18:25): G-SYNC is also available when NVIDIA Advanced Optimus is enabled. NVIDIA is maintaining a whitelist of games that are allowed to automatically switch the laptop display to the dGPU upon launching the game. Also, regarding Linux support (21:30): TUXEDO is planning to launch this chassis under the name "TUXEDO Stellaris 16 Intel Gen6" in a few weeks, including liquid cooling and full Linux support - the profile switching button will work as well. Meanwhile, if anyone in the audience has *any questions about XMG NEO 16* or any other XMG product, *please reply directly to this comment!* Thank you for your feedback! // Tom

[@SharingWithKris]

Any chance you know if you're planning on an 18" model soon? Almost perfect (to my admittedly amateur eyes) except for the 16" size. I'm hoping for an immersive power house and the external liquid cooler strikes me as genius.

[@xmg_gg]

@@SharingWithKris We can for sure say that there will not be any 18" in XMG NEO series, or any 18" with liquid cooling support any time soon. Not this year and not next year either. // Tom

[@Asimowild]

@@xmg_gg hi Tom, is the card reader exclisive to xmg? Mechrevo with same chassis doesn't have it

[@xmg_gg]

@@Asimowild It seems that Mechrevo has some exclusive chassis variants with various ports and features missing. // Tom

[@ЕгорКазанков-б6р]

When typing, the display lid wobbled. This doesn't happen on my Legion 7 from 2021, which I would like to replace with a modern model. I have two questions: 1) Is a 500-nit display planned for the XMG Neo 17? Does the display wobble on this model when typing? 2) Is the screen wobbling on the XMG Neo 16 a feature of this particular unit or of all released models?

[@shrey522]

We are expecting you to make a video on Intel HX series issues. Entire laptop community is worried right now.

[@shrey522]

1.5v Core VIDs are too high for desktops and this can degrade the CPU in the long run, can you imagine the power going into laptops. Your insights are much appreciated.

[@TarnishedEldenKing]

so far, laptops issues are almost non existent as they pump way less power than desktop, almost no reported issues compared to desktops, only from that 1 reddit post about a company having issues...but yeah not that big of a deal.

[@rrrajlive]

I have one too 😢

[@deepbludreams]

​@entropicking6007 the issue is present in the HX CPUs on laptops as far as I'm aware, while not severe as desktop applications, CPU degradation is occurring on these units, it's just that few laptops can wack their CPUs to 200+ watts like the Neo16 and Scar can, thus the delay in said issue occurs at a further out point. Server farms had 13th and 14th gen stuff fail all the way down at 30 watts, nothing in this generation is safe from the issue, at best it can be delayed.

[@shrey522]

@@rrrajlive undervolt and wait for the micro code. Actually no one knows what's wrong with Intel CPU's, even Intel 😅

[@salzstange6341]

me with the Neo 16 from last year: "god damn it"

[@TipsyTaterTot]

This is why I don't watch this channel often lol

[@jlb4685]

Laptop life unfortunately. The best possible time to upgrade is at the start of a new GPU cycle.

[@salzstange6341]

@@jlb4685 I am still very happy with my neo 16e23 but seeing the upgrades in materials, application of watercooling to the CPU and the less wobbly screen… could have been last year already. Game performance seems almost the same tho. Btw. I have the 4080 not 4090

[@Asimowild]

Hey bro you can order new cooling system and diy to your e23. But will require knowledge and some work. Plus change the cable from water cooler to new one. You can grab the better screen from asus scar g16 and you are in the right side of the moon again

[@AirGunWeb]

This looks like a nice upgrade for them. The styling has a lot of Lenovo vibes. I have the 12700H 3070TI Prometheus XVII Version, and it's still holding its own for anything I need to do. I like the move to all aluminum, as the plastic on mine is a little soft. I had to replace the bottom cover because some of it just crumbled after one or two entries to do some upgrades. At least Eluktronics had spare parts available, so that's good. Anyway, looks really nice. I'm glad to see them continue to push the water-cooled laptop options. Cheers Rick

[@michaelwesten4624]

if it's so fast, how long does it take it to do a 100 m sprint?

[@kispista_]

About 60 decibels

[@michaelwesten4624]

@@kispista_ in how many rgbs per watt?

[@kispista_]

@@michaelwesten4624 It can be as fast as 374 RGBs/Watt

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

​@@michaelwesten4624 256 lumen per gigabyte

[@Jim-kk4ys]

​about 2 km each fps sir ​@@michaelwesten4624

[@TechGuyBeau]

“More chonk, means more performance” Agreed…. (He says eyeing a full chocolate cake).

[@Jasper-yz7vy]

Still waiting for Intel Core Ultra vs Ryzen AI 9 HX

[@mightymallet5474]

ryzen ai 9 hx is faster on single core, has a better integrated gpu, and is better at battery timing as well thanks to performance per watt being noticably higher

[@whitehavencpu6813]

X3D versions should win in gaming, atleast as long as the GPU isn't the bottleneck.

[@Kumoiwa]

@@whitehavencpu6813 Most gaming laptops are offered with top of the line CPUs and games only use a couple of cores anyways but laptop GPUs are very power constraint, so most of the time the bottleneck is the GPU

[@whitehavencpu6813]

@@Kumoiwa exactly.

[@Aditya-sj4ev]

@@mightymallet5474 ryzen is not beating lunar lake.

[@Terreos]

I remember posting about the first gen watercooler for these laptops on notebook forums before it died and there were so many people that thought this would never catch on. Wish I can show them this now because this has come a long way and it very impressive. Maybe next year we can see some OLED or Mini LED screens. Maybe some upward firing speakers too. Not a deal breaker, but I’d love to see those changes. Otherwise this is pretty awesome.

[@FoxxFire]

I commented on last year's video how it didn't make sense to liquid cool the gpu only and not the cpu when the 4090 is much more efficient and easier to cool than that Intel chip. I'm so glad to see the improvements made this year. It feels like we're getting closer. I couldn't buy this for the display alone. It really should have a better screen. When you're paying so much for a laptop and need to pay, say, an extra $300 for a significantly better display, it is so worth it since that will be less than 10 percent of the price of the machine but be the thing you look at all the time (unless you're connected external of course). I also am not thrilled about the keyboard and trackpad shifted to the left, but so many other laptops do this that I suppose it can be forgiven. But honestly, is anyone asking for a number pad in exchange for having to use the keyboard and trackpad off center and awkwardly for the device's lifespan? Are accountants or gamers/creators buying this thing?

[@Asimowild]

Get a scar 16 miniled and install, bolt on upgrade.

[@xmg_gg]

Thank you for your comment this year and last year. 🙂According to our last survey, about 50% of users expect a number pad on 16" laptops and up. Some of them even use number pad keys for gaming in certain games, especially in the MMORPG, RTS and Simulation genres. About the screen: we understand that there is certainly a certain appeal to OLED screens, they also come with some downsides. While glossy screens certainly enjoy a newfound popularity, the amount of customers that tolerate glossy reflections on a laptop still seem to be in the minority, at least in our core market of Germany. OLED screens also commonly have a PWM dimming frequency of only 60Hz which may cause eyestrain, although some more recent screens have increased this frequency to e.g. 960 Hz. To compare, our IPS screens have no PWM flickering at all, they use DC dimming. Anyway, we are keeping an eye on this issue and see if we can source OLED screens or Mini-LED screens with good specs for reasonable prices in the future. Until then, we are aiming to have the best balance in our IPS-type screens in terms of price, weight, brightness, response time and resolution. // Tom

[@FoxxFire]

@@xmg_gg Wow, what an awesome response! I do understand the importance of margins with electronics. Something that is costing you $10 more results in you having to price the computer an extra $40, for example, in order to remain profitable. And sourcing different displays to give customers an option, especially when you are not buying them in a huge quantity, is quite expensive. Also, gamers may not care much about color accuracy. However, if you were able to pull off a display with a higher color gamut, particularly close to 100 percent coverage of P3, it would be so much more appealing. (The last thing I'll mention is the ports - having a usb c port running at usb 3.2 gen 1 is not acceptable in a laptop of this price. If the usb a port runs at that speed, it would be unfortunate, but okay. But that usb c port really needs to be 10gb/s, at least.) Have a great night, Tom, and thanks again for your thoughtful response.

[@xmg_gg]

@@FoxxFire Good morning and thank you for your feedback! // Tom

[@TobiasHam]

I am a video editor, coder and gamer who hates glossy displays. IPS and numpad was a must for me. Also I really don't need more brightness as I feel most are already straining my eyes. Wanted a numpad so the razor dropped out. So I ordered this one 2 weeks ago.

[@gdsl77138]

Im confused between buying yoga pro 9i and legion 7i What do you think is better for me I'm an engineering student I have graphic designing and simulation tasks I also want to play games and watch movies and tv series The system should be able to play next gen titles like gta 6 (future proof gaming) Which one should I get. And with what gpu and cpu

[@Asimowild]

The on one the video definitely, legion is being smoked by any means by this new chassis

[@Windows11Official]

​@@AsimowildWhat if I'm in a country that XMG not supported?

[@castcuts-1]

The chassis design looks very legion inspired, maybe a bit too much. But the legion's are great, I love my 5 pro!

[@norbertszekeres867]

i mean it looks clean , and like a normal laptop , not some goofy as desipticon

[@Kinofinity]

All these RGB trend on most modern “gaming” pc components takes me back to the 2000’s and the Neon used in vehicles in Fast and the furious to need for speed unground 😂😅

[@chayze3009]

I just noticed 3:38: 1.23cm touchpad length seems a bit... tiny 🙃

[@JarrodsTech]

oops

[@miapocalypse3364]

i had a liquid metal cooled laptop before, chill temps, but a lot of stress when it comes to changing the LM, as the technicians at the repairs shops here have no idea what they are doing, it was extremely stressful changing it myself on a $2000+ laptop, switched to a newer laptop that uses PTM, much more comfortable changing the paste/pads and temps are just as good

[@ronmc1677]

dude I love your presentations about my favorite gadgets but just maybe don't try to make it too structured... maybe then you'd sound a whole lot more awesome and be super interesting to listen to and watch as well. just imagine that it's your best friend sitting behind the camera and imagine yourself being super excited to tell them about the latest and greatest in technology! Cheers man! I really love your take on the latest gadgets! Love from India

[@jrwagh333]

Did XMG get hold of some Legion chassis? 😂

[@bdtwothree]

That's what I'm thinking too but that's a plus for me since I'm a legion fan 😅. It looks good because of how minimalistic the design is. And also the back ports, damn I wish legion keep those back ports on their latest laptops. And the keyboard layout too, I'm so confused at first 😂.

[@ezrapierce1233]

Now I can't unsee it 😅

[@Asimowild]

Looks alike but totally different. I took apart both of them. I have 4090 version

[@mikeallensonntag]

Looks like they do have access to the fan manufacturer.

[@shrey522]

Is it safe to buy 14900HX? I have seen core VIDs going above 1.4v and 1.5v on i7 and i9's.

[@federicocatelli8785]

Looking for troubles.....get a Ryzen or Mac (if you are not into gaming)

[@Noname-iq1gz]

Why would you get an intel cpu? Go for amd

[@Kadoom1131]

Definitely no . That s why all flagships with 7945hx''s are out of stock .

[@Asimowild]

100% Safe if you disable turbo boost 3.0 (keep the 2.0) and undervolt. You will even get slight multicore boost :)

[@lharsay]

The 13900H should be a safe pick due to being based on the 6+8 core Raptor Lake H chip instead of the 8+16. Yes, the 8+16 core Raptor Lake HX chips are concerning, on the other hand they still operate at lower voltages compared to desktop which might prevent damage.

[@Russiangamerpro2021]

I feel like they had to keep everything safe and protected and strong because if you put something and make it more look like it’s cheap build it can damage stuff inside that’s what I think. Maybe that’s why they had to keep it secure for the liquid cooler.

[@Asimowild]

Wut

[@Russiangamerpro2021]

@@Asimowild because if they did make something cheaper build and there’s still liquid cooler in there you can probably damage the liquid cooler and cause a leak that’s what I think so maybe that’s why you had to keep your laptop look like it’s being proper quality because if you don’t do that, it’s gonna cause a lot of problems

[@Z020852]

I guess your eyes and brain might not notice the performance, but your ears will.

[@Asimowild]

Especially of you get fast hynix ram and overclock it to at least 6000 (7000 is possible too)

[@ShuriShoto]

How does Jarrod's heart afford this hinge test on a 3000 dollar plus laptop

[@TheIRSWillNeverCatchMe]

Prob the last thing he does

[@kiyoponnn]

come on man, not this low tier joke which is easily countered

[@xmg_gg]

Good joke, but let me reply in earnest: XMG laptops at Jarrod's Tech are always loan units that will be returned to us at some point. If Jarrod would break the hinges with such a simple test, we would *thank him* for finding an issue early in the production cycle. It's actually quite common for reviewers to spot last-minute firmware or driver issues. Hardware issues usually get sorted out way earlier, before any samples are shipped to press. So, no concerns, hinge away! // Tom

[@Enter-the-Meta]

@@xmg_ggI had pretty much no opinion on you guys over at XMG, however after seeing your/the company’s write up on the Intel stability issues, then seeing your positive and candid interactions in the comments, I’m thoroughly impressed. Keep up the good work!

[@Buntybill1]

I used the link to look at this laptop. It comes with 16gb ram and 4089 for $3,999. If you want 32gb ram and 4090 rtx it's over $5000

[@Peizxcv]

Guess the company saved itself. Some Chinese industry watchers expected the ODM to go down because their products have been falling behind Lenovo, ASUS, Red Magic but this design really caught up with the leaders

[@Asimowild]

They had 0 problems with market, they are growing fast.

[@misterringer]

Man, even on air it's still wrecking the Scar 18. You'd really think they'd do a better job with cooling in such a big platform.

[@Asimowild]

They decided to make whistling coolers all over laptop in order to show "we have moar coolars, we are beter!! Buy asas you are true playar!" P.s. 13980hx 4090 scar 18 user in the past Now having this mechrevo 14900hx 4090 with #1 world record on all laptop intels in xtu2😂

[@davitdavid7165]

By the time you are relying on external water coolers i think you should make an egpu (or make it removable kinda like framework). I feel like a lot of people would like having a thin, normal laptop for everyday use and a relatively compact gpu ay home, which they can also put in the bag when needed.

[@nicolaspaglione]

Nvidia says no

[@ucle9955]

the problem with eGPU is we don't have enough bandwidth to feed the graphics card (especially the high-end ones). Best thing we got now is Thunderbolt 4/USB 4.0 with 40Gbps, which is much lower than PCIe gen 4 x16 on desktop mainboards (which has maximum bandwidth of 256Gbps). Even Thunderbolt 5 (which is technically available now, but will still be rare for next 1-2 years) only has 80Gbps (and a boost mode of 120Gbps)

[@davitdavid7165]

@@ucle9955 I know, but i still like the idea too much to give it up. Also you could do a framework and have free pcie slots dedicated, sidestepping the issue. Use a riser cable and bam!

[@davitdavid7165]

@@nicolaspaglione but intel has a stake in making it work.

[@nicolaspaglione]

@@davitdavid7165 amd has allowed it and that’s a weak ass gpu

[@knightlko]

Only complaint for Eluktronics version is it software. Problem setting fan curve for laptop/water cooler, its limited imo.

[@Asimowild]

Not any more.

[@knightlko]

@@Asimowild ? i checked their site they dont have an updated version.......is it for the 14gen intel only? ive got the 13gen you cant manually adjust the fan curve while using water cooling.....weird way to set up the software...

[@ROCCATEER92]

The 17 inch version (Neo 17) has the option for a mechanical keybord. The lack of really good screen options is the biggest reason why (as a German) still don't buy any laptops from XMG. In 2025 I will be in the market for a new gaming laptop and so far, I'm most curious about the next generation of Lenovos Legion 7 Pro.

[@MichaelK-lz7jk]

Hatte die Mechanische getestet, musste ich zurückschicken. Nichts gegen ein bisschen klicken, aber das Teil war so laut, das ich nun die normale habe. Würde die keinesfalls weiterempfehlen, nichtmal wenn ich NC Kopfhörer nutzen würde.

[@ROCCATEER92]

@@MichaelK-lz7jk Danke für den Erfahrungsbericht. Ich sitze aktuell an einem Aorus-Laptop mit mech. Tastatur. Einen Vergleich mit anderen habe ich leider nicht.

[@MichaelK-lz7jk]

@@ROCCATEER92 Es gibt einen Tester vom Neo 17 (13900hx) der nimmt die extra auf damit man das besser einschätzen kann, er hatte die auch für recht laut empfunden. Da ich nun mit Wasserkühlung und den richtigen Settings ein praktisch lautloses System habe, fällt das klicken schon sehr auf. Wenn man ein Notebook hat, bei dem die Lüfter schon gut hörbar sind, nimmt man es vermutlich anders wahr.

[@Asimowild]

Get a miniled from asus g16, bolt on mod.

[@ROCCATEER92]

@@MichaelK-lz7jk Ich hab das Video gefunden (von mpoxDE). Die mech. Tastatur des Neo 17 ist ja wirklich übel laut. Da kann ich mit der mech. Tastatur meines 17G (2020) wirklich weiterhin zufrieden sein.

[@Hisma01]

I will NEVER own another tong fang laptop again. The screen had horrible backlight bleed, the keyboard buttons would randomly start sticking and I had to replace the keyboard TWICE over a 2 year period. But the worst problem of all, the power connector came loose and was unable to charge! I literally had to just dump the laptop, it's sitting in my closet collecting dust rn (a eluktronics max 17 laptop w/ a 3070) because I simply got tired of constantly servicing it, and to fix the charging problem would require an entire motherboard replacement. I'm not anti-Chinese tech because I own a lenovo legion laptop and absolutely love it. But these tong fang generic chassis laptops have terrible build quality, despite the great specsheets.

[@Pomacanthidae]

honestly these kinds of laptops are more desktop replacements. you're supposed to use an external display, keyboard, and mouse with them and treat them as a mini pc with in built ups more than anything.

[@Asimowild]

Lol replacing charging socket is a job for any good solderer for 50 bucks.

[@Asimowild]

By the way this one is just totally new level. Older 17" are quite not durable and require being very caring to them, yes. But they were cheeap as hell

[@xmg_gg]

Can't comment here except that we never carried the chassis of your "MAX 17" (ID-P). We had samples but didn't go forward with them. The keyboard in this series was a unique SKU that wasn't used on any other models except "MAX 15" (ID-Y) which we didn't carry either. Keyboard damage may come with overheating - those chassis were very slim. Very slim models are especially prone to potential airflow issues when heatsinks clog up with dust. Loose power socket might be an after-effect of mechanical damage at some point. The power sockets are pretty much identical across all Uniwill/TongFang models, and we usually don't have many cases of them coming loose - neither within nor after warranty. On overage, they are more robust than USB-C charging ports. At any rate, please check with your system vendor if there are still any avenues of repair. For what its worth, the build quality of one particular product series (here: ID-Y and ID-P) may not apply identically to other series of the same ODM. // Tom

[@7lllll]

this is very impressive, i do think this is the best laptop for the rtx40/rx7000 generation. it's a late release and one is better off waiting for the next generation, and the raptor lake cpu has stability concerns, but this design can definitely transfer to the next generation too

[@Asimowild]

It actually is, i can confirm. I own one and did #1 record on cpu power of all intel laptops (hwbot xtu2 rating)

[@swasho2939]

im still rocking my legion 5 pro 2021 with a 3070 ... looks like the laptop game has changed with intel taking over the laptop department (opposite of desktop now). do these 14900HX chips have issues like the 14900k desktop cpus are having right now?

[@Xpiti]

No

[@Asimowild]

Basically not, but bertter disavle turbo boost 3.0 (keep 2.0) and undervolt cpu a little. I bet will be safe for 10 years

[@shuvamsky]

Although the difference might appear small at first, the liquid cooler one will remain consistent after a year or two.

[@miklaus2873]

Jarrod, I've seen your database with 23.000 timyspy xmg neo 16 e24 14900hx 4090 with liquid cooling, was it at stock? Could it reach 24.000 with Overclock GPU, Undervolt CPU, new RAM at 6400mhz cl30 and xmg oasis mk2 at max speed, fans at max speed, laptop stand with fans, repaste liquid metal conductonaut and optimized nvcp settings? Was that 23.000 result all at stock just with liquid cooling? It's way higher than all notebooks with 4090 and more than a desktop with a 4070 super and 14900k. And can it reach 25.000 adding a shunt mod?

[@TheNaitsyrk]

Well, its not surprising that when its got liquid boost and liquid metal. If added to other laptops (just LM) those results would be much closer together.

[@Asimowild]

The cooling system is astonishing even without water circuit

[@TheNaitsyrk]

​@@Asimowild Check Titan GT77HX V13 it's bigger. The only difference is LM

[@MichaelK-lz7jk]

Have the 17“ with watercooling and never want back to only fan cooling notebook. Compared with Titan or Scar it’s complete quiet.

[@Asimowild]

17" is good but this yaoshi generation is just a brain explode

[@MichaelK-lz7jk]

@@Asimowild what is yaoshi generation? Sry, I’m not native speaker, never heard this an google translate don’t know that

[@Asimowild]

@@MichaelK-lz7jk yaoshi is this laptop on video. It has metal body.

[@MichaelK-lz7jk]

@@Asimowild My Neo 17 has full Aluminium body, Plastic is in this days a No-Go for Premium Notebooks.

[@Asimowild]

@@MichaelK-lz7jk neo 17 is still not yaoshi. Now yaoshi only has 16". Soon 17 probably too

[@XieRH1988]

One thing about the light customisation that really annoyed me about tongfang models (and has not been fixed from what I see in this video) is that you don't have true full RGB customisability, because you're locked to only choosing the 100% saturation values of every hue from red to purple on the spectrum I found out about this when I got an tongfang laptop from aftershock and to my surprise couldnt even set my keyboard colour to white.

[@Asimowild]

You can change the leds per key on this model

[@hamza44044]

i wonder if there is a way to get the gpu to boost over 175 watts, or give more power to the cpu while under load, since there is so much thermal headroom with the liquid cooler for me, the liquid cooler seems pointless since the laptop has the same total power budget as other air cooled laptop

[@Asimowild]

175w+ is possible with shunt mod but you lose warranty. 4090 will go up to 30% increase with shunt mod. Water cooler gives the headroom for oc

[@hamza44044]

@@Asimowild i dont know if the 330W power adapter would be enough for 30% increase, and can the laptop power circuit handle that ? would've been nice if increased power limit with the liquid cooler was supported out of the box.

[@Asimowild]

@@hamza44044 it can handle that. Max i seen 450w peak from wall socket.

[@MichaelK-lz7jk]

30%, really? Way over 30.000 Points in Timespy?

[@mojtaba_behnam]

Hello Why don't you mention whether the display is HDR or not in any of the reviews?! Is it doesn't matter?

[@Asimowild]

Forget hdr in displays less than 500 nit. You need miniled. Good news are that you can buy one from scar g16 and put here, 100% bolt on mod

[@mojtaba_behnam]

@Asimowild But, it is better to have HDR than not to have it even on 500 nits

[@Asimowild]

@@mojtaba_behnam true yet almost unnoticable

[@vik1ng313]

HDR with

[@mojtaba_behnam]

@vik1ng313 In some games like God of war 2018 By 500 nits its not bad honestly

[@unionofslavstanrepublics2317]

The screen not being MiniLED or OLED is a shame, hopefully this isn't the case next year.

[@Asimowild]

Buy one from scar g16 and install, it is 100% compatible

[@daviddicara991]

Small water cooler could absolutely freeze the rig if they borrowed some simple technology from the indoor gardening industry. In that world a small water chiller attached to the pump system could get the computer as cold as you would want. A small chiller can cool the water down to 40 deg. Thats almost freezing. It wouldnt be that big but it would suck a bit of power. The tech exists and could easily be adapted to fit the small form factor.

[@kimstraat]

Ended up buying this from Aftershock in Melbourne over the weekend. Fantastic computer, no regrets! Just wish they had the watercooler in stock so the laptop wasnt so loud! Any ideas on where I can buy the watercooler overseas?

[@MSR93]

XMG Neo 16 is a beast. but considering the brand is from Germany, i don't think the brand has been established in other countries. always consider the customer support when buying your machine.

[@Asimowild]

Xmg are just enthusiasts selling tongfang chassis. Actual brand is mechrevo (owned by tongfang)

[@Asimowild]

Xmg is using tongfang chassis here.

[@RipeStories]

Sorry, did I get this right? Without any tweaking in bios etc. this thing gets almost the same performance in the balanced (with liquid cooling) 36-38decibel mode as in the 55decibel maxed out sh1t mode? This is the most impressive, quietest performance, I have ever seen in a laptop.

[@xmg_gg]

You got this right. // Tom

[@FlawlessEntropy]

The 330w is not enough for the full speck 4090 and i9, the legion 7 discharged the battery while under heavy load.

[@destroyer4134]

How would this compare to the Lenovo Legion 9i Gen 9? I am torn between the two and I don't know which to buy.

[@JarrodsTech]

I think it should be in some of the benchmark graphs, if I didn't include it you can check our Legion 9i video and compare results.

[@sp63902]

This laptop reminds me a lot of the Lenovo’s Legion Pro 7 models. The keyboard and light bar on the front and the materials look similar.

[@jlb4685]

yeah only this laptop doesn't use cheap plastic like the Legions. Source: I own a Legion 7 Pro.

[@goldmastersimulations]

This is basically Legion 7i Gen 7 on steroids.

[@Asimowild]

All true as guys above say.

[@teddym2808]

No Gen 2 ports is beyond a deal killer and outrageous.

[@Alex_Martz]

Is this the same as the Acer Helios 16?

[@gogogogogogogogogogog9]

oh my kidney

[@BigNatureTrucking]

I just replaced my asus strix g16 with a 4080 and 13gen i9 With the hydroc with a 4090 and 14thgen i9 also included the water cooler. This is a no bs review. This is the fastest most powerful laptop i have ever used. And with the water cooler it is super quiet. The asus sounds like a helicopter is taking off and the thermals kinda suck after a while. The hydroc is very plain looking but well built. The screen to me looks really good. The asus i have has a mini led so its very punchy. But i can deal with the hydroc just fine. My recommendation if you can afford it. Then get it!! Its a freaking beast

[@denisecknauer4627]

Amazing review - looking into switching from Eluktronics Max 17 (2020) to Hydroc 16 :) I just didn't understand if for iGPU one has to always reboot for the changes to take place? Independent of MUX Switch / Nvidia Optimus?

[@catzillafirefox]

2:38 So that explains why this laptop has a striking similarity to the Aftershock Rift 16

[@noshut]

I always leave a few drops behind when disconnecting and have to wipe up if you know what I mean

[@Antifurrygovernment-vv8lb]

yo get this guy to 3M subs bro he gotta be the best tech reviews on youtube

[@Asimowild]

The time is the limit

[@BreeHorsfall]

Ro me, this looks like the perfect machine for those companies that need to outfit on-site engineers/designers. Cuz the cpu is so powerful.

[@Peizxcv]

Are they using an old Lenovo Legion 5 Pro mold? It looks so much like the superior Lenovo

[@Asimowild]

Yeah they were inspired by legion good points

[@g.j.2857]

Why is not Jarrod talking about Intel instability issues? Which laptops are affected? I saw 13700HX and below are safe due to low Wattage and Voltage

[@JarrodsTech]

I don't have anything to say about it until Intel acknowledges it with some real info. Anything else is kind of guess work or speculation and I don't want to be a contributor to fearmongering without solutions. That said, XMG have probably provided the best details so far: www.xmg.gg/en/news-update-intel-core-cpus-laptops-stability/

[@g.j.2857]

@@JarrodsTech Sounds fair. I guess Reddit has gotten me with the panic. I believe you would be among the first to experience instability issues with all these tests after a year and a half. Thank you for the reply.

[@bdtwothree]

Jarrod does that mean the 4050, 4060 and 4070 does not have a Water Cooling? Only Air Cooling? Great vid again btw

[@Peshyy]

Yes, as mentioned at 8:44

[@MichaelK-lz7jk]

Yes, but you can buy the 2023 version with Watercooling from XMG.

[@bdtwothree]

@@MichaelK-lz7jk wait, so you can still have water cooling but with the previous water cooler?

[@MichaelK-lz7jk]

@@bdtwothree The cooler is the same, but new waterhose, it’s magnetic only without this metal piece.

[@Asimowild]

Ine doesnt need to water cool 406 or 4070 they consume 115w undervolted at max load

[@faridahyasmin7660]

This or asus rog strix or asus zephyrus? Mostly for gaming but also to be able to use it for everything else a laptop can offer. And what GPU and TGP should I look for?

[@Half_lightning]

Please help - with what configuration should you buy a laptop from the same company, namely Lonovo loq -> AMD Ryzen 7 8845HS(7840hs) vs Intel i7-13650HX, rtx 4060 video card. Or is there some kind of laptop better than Lenovo for the same money with the same configuration? Which one is colder and more stable?

[@kimstraat]

Question - does it matter if you use water or coolant in the water cooler?

[@miklaus2873]

For records and maximum performance in liquid and Overclock and rams and Undervolt is better neo 16 e24 or hydroc 16 eluktronics?

[@miklaus2873]

I have a xmg neo 16 e24 13900hx, PL1 and PL2 limits are 166w but CPU goes max 125w and under stress and with GPU 100% it goes maximum 50w. Max combined CPU+GPU is 225w. Is it normal?

[@Kadoom1131]

Never gonna buy an Eluktronics laptop again . In 1,5 years i think i encountered every problem possible with this laptop. Also , i think it s impressive that Strix 17 with 7945HX and 4090 still leads the performance tests in almost every category while being much cheaper and much lighter and portable. You are one of the few channels that include that Strix 17 in the tests , a lot of sponsored videos don t put it in the benchmarks because of how well it performs and makes the 2024 flagships look silly .

[@Asimowild]

This chassis is just another universe man. 7945hx leads only in cyberpunk and only while 720p :D

[@Kadoom1131]

​@@Asimowild I have a good friend who s a technician and believe me , those Eluktronics laptops are made to break . Yeah , it leads only in cyberpunk and in the rest of the tests it s pretty close. There s actually a guy if you look it up who modded it and got a 27k timespy score . I would definitely go with the Strix 17 considering much lower price , huge potential and the fact that it s AMD based . As we all know , Intel got some serious problems right now . If i m buying a laptop i plan to use 100 % of the processor , i will not pay the laptop then disable turbo boost to avoid processor failure and use only 60% of laptop's power. If you disable turbo boost on this specific laptop you are gonna get under 60% of the scores Jarrod got in those benchmarks and tests.

[@ahmettarikyanik]

Hey mate I've a question. Would you prefer legion pro5 with i7 13620h or loq with r7 8845hs?

[@glitchy8429]

Can you please look into intel failure in laptops. Intel is trying to act like laptops aren’t degrading, but they are. TVB is pushing these 13th and 14th gen intel machines to 1.55v at 5.6ghz in even the most minor loads. Those numbers are okay for a desktop, but are absolutely insane for a laptop. I’ve returned the asus g814jz three times with issues of blue screen out of video memory errors and stuttering in games. I’ve had the one I have now for about 9 months and haven’t had any blue screens, but with these numbers I fear it’s only a matter of time. Even on this laptop I can’t load D4 with settings turned all the way down and frames capped at 60fps without hwinfo lighting up like a Christmas tree with all the thermal throttling… dude it’s so bad and IDK why no one’s talking about it.

[@Asimowild]

Lock 2 "lucky" cores to 5.5 and you're ok. Undervolt will help too

[@OperatorPuski]

Are any gaming laptops benchmark tested for VR use? A quest 3 could plug into USB-c with the link cable

[@xmg_gg]

We have many customers who use VR headsets with our laptops, including XMG NEO. There are good, passive adapters from USB-C/DP1.4 (aka Thunderbolt on the NVIDIA dGPU) to Full-Size DP1.4. Find the FAQ article "Which XMG laptops are compatible with VR headsets?" on our website. // Tom

[@wheeler9161]

Just want to note, you dont want to play rdr2 at 120hz, Weird things happen, like when you get off your horse you immediately fall down. I stick to 60 frames and it plays very well.

[@YAAMW]

3:42 Touchpad size has a typo. 1.23 cm

[@MohammedS29]

Hi there can you please suggest me some good cooling pads for my Acer predator helios neo 16 2023 model Also can you please suggest both budget and expensive ones Do you think it is necessary for the laptop?

[@ph4nt0k3n]

Could you maybe also review the other laptops from xmgs lineup? I think they are massively under-represented in the yt techspace...

[@Asimowild]

They are not anywhere close as cool as this one

[@rayraylsx1788]

Dumb question but is a 4080/4090 laptop much better as opposed to a ps5 with a oled c2 at a constant 120 fps? Kind of want a oled laptop but not sure what to lean towards too. That Asus scar is really tempting!

[@cristopherlimas2074]

Jarrod what’s the best laptop I can get for gaming in terms of performance for $1300 budget

[@quinniannone4759]

Hey I see that on your laptop deals website you list a retailer called B&H does anybody know how reputable they are for online purchases?

[@JarrodsTech]

We've bought many things from them and had them shipped to Australia without issue. They're primarily a photography/video retailer, but also sell laptops.

[@pixelpusher1393]

Very interesting! Will the Oasis MkII water cooling system also be made available for the RTX4060 and 4070 variants of this laptop?

[@xmg_gg]

No, but it is still available for XMG NEO 17 (E23) with RTX 4060/4070. // Tom

[@pixelpusher1393]

@@xmg_gg Thanks, just checked availability and pricing in Europe. The 13900HX is only slightly less performant than the 14900HX. Need it for content creation, and it should be plenty. With an RTX4070, 64GB RAM and Oasis II it´s around 2800€. This looks like a very interesting alternative to "normal" gaming laptops. Only downside is the display not reaching quite the brightness of the 2024 Neo 16. Then again, I´d be working with an external graphics tablet as my main display anyway.

[@trucker2b]

About time that electrics mech16 gets a review

[@teamkengi1214]

Hi. What cheaper 4090 laptops you would recommend. Thanks

[@Asimowild]

4090 is even not put to its max due to 175w limit.. and you want to get a cheaper 4090 laptop where situation is much worse?) you like tha fancy 4090 label, do you? Get decent 4080

[@helios6379]

Lenovo has its Lenovo Legion Pro 7i Gen 9 at 2599€ on the store. I'd like a laptop with those specs (RTX 4080, 32 GB RAM, i9-14900HX) and I do gaming and some photo editing (Photoshop, Lightroom Classic, Topaz Photo AI). Thermals are a big deal since I can't keep my room as cool as I'd like during summer. With all that said, does anybody think Lenovo should be my pick or is there a better alternative? I'm based in Italy if that matters, and yes, I need a laptop, no desktop. TIA!

[@Asimowild]

The one on the video will be better for sure.

[@helios6379]

At 3000€ (w/o Oasis), which I'm currently not willing to spend. But thanks for your input!

[@Kungdiang]

When you test the games, how do you set the resolution to 2k, 1440, and 4k. Do you use the laptop's display or connect it to a separate monitor?

[@Asimowild]

You can use nvidia panel to overscale.l digitally.

[@JarrodsTech]

It depends on the laptop. We will use the laptops display if it has the resolutions needed. A lot of the time a laptop won't have a 4k display, in that case we connect to an external monitor.

[@Kungdiang]

@@JarrodsTech Gotcha, thank you

[@Asimowild]

@@JarrodsTech can do it via nvidia control panel easily on internal screen natively

[@MetalRex101]

It would be super interesting to see at least on average, what are the results with undervolted cpu. I think it would just stomped the rest.

[@GreyVWilk]

I love your content! I've been watching a lot of your videos and I'd love to have your opinion on what laptop I should get for a budget of around 1500 euro. I need it for university, gaming, programming. I was really considering the Legion 5 pro especially since its on sale right now. Any recommendations?

[@parshangiahi4737]

Can we get a xmg core 15 (M24) review too?!

[@TheJefffanhardy]

Yoo Jarred. Will you cover the Acer Helios Neo 14?

[@ele4984]

Is intel 13th and 14th gen HX really faulty and have a high probability to die?

[@xmg_gg]

According to Intel: no. And we have no evidence to the contrary. Due to our current assessment of the situation with Intel Core laptop processors of the 13th and 14th generation, there is currently no reason for us to deviate from the existing standard regulations in our general warranty promise. // Tom

[@JustLikeVita]

Please help me, cant decide. This XMG or Legion pro 7i? Thanks

[@RobloxianX]

All performance but no show. Honestly if this was just a slab for $2000 that’d be great so I can just give it an external monitor and keyboard

[@IkurFPV]

when you recording microphone and camera, do you use nvidia broadcast app with it? gg, nice machine and good video, thx

[@Kingdanieltj]

Alright jarrod videos over its time to hand over the laptop to me now, you know im your faviroute viewer😅

[@Amber57499]

How would you compare the air cooling to the Legion Pro 7i (13900HX 4090)? Geez, I'm thinking of replacing it already...

[@Asimowild]

This one is better than legion for sure.

[@gavin100]

I just got a Alienware x15 r2 for 1500 maxed out was it a good deal or should I have just bought a new laptop

[@Trinket_Master]

I bought a fusion 15 in 2019 for over 2.5k euro and regret it. The performance is still solid even now. But the screen has just become more and more of an issue as time went on, i cant ignore anymore how bad an lcd looks towards literally any other screen tech

[@llobell86]

Are you going to try the Asus Zenbook with the latest AMD APU?

[@killuazoldyck5468]

Hi Mr. Jarrod, do you happen to find any laptop with coil whine? Is it normal?

[@Gabriel2.0]

no oled?

[@Asimowild]

Grab miniled from g16 and install. Bolt on mod

[@vncube1]

It's what the Legion 9i should've been.

[@shikikanaz4624]

Hey jarrod. Would the strix advantage edition still be good in 2024?

[@klakkalakka6704]

Sounds like they listened to your previous critique

[@dsirius1500]

Is it worth after all Intel gen 14 Processor instability crushing and degrading over time?

[@xmg_gg]

According to Intel, the Intel Core 13th/14th Gen mobile processors (including HX-series) are *not* affected by what is now described as the "Vmin Shift Instability" issue in desktop CPUs. We have no evidence to the contrary. Due to our current assessment of the situation with Intel Core laptop processors of the 13th and 14th generation, there is currently no reason for us to deviate from the existing standard regulations in our general warranty promise. // Tom

[@dsirius1500]

@@xmg_gg Sure, according to Intel there were also no crushing, stability, degrading over time and oxidation defects in gen13 and 14 Intel processors for more than 1 year. Intel was forced to admit all of these after users and hardware reviewers exposed them. Wish you good luck with your policy regarding Intel, though I know that some of your laptops have efficient desktop procesor parts. Even if not, there are reports that Intel laptops with gen 13 and 14 processors are affected too, look for Alderon games reports. Just to be clear I may consider to buy an XMG laptop, but definitely not with an Intel processor. You should rethink your sales strategy, Intel proved is not worth buyers trust.

[@TechGamesAU]

Do we know if the water cooler will be supported on future models? I wouldn’t want to buy it if it’s only ever used for this one laptop

[@Asimowild]

I think they will stick with this one. Diy is easy on water cooling here, tho

[@xmg_gg]

Since introduction in 2022, XMG OASIS has been kept compatible over a number of generations, thanks to the modular pair of tubes. A current-gen XMG OASIS Mk2 is still compatible and supported with the first XMG NEO 15 (E22) with water cooling from early 2022. // Tom

[@TechGamesAU]

@@xmg_gg thank you

[@valkovtala1504]

Hi, will you be making a video on lenovo loq 2024 intel models motherboard issue?