The FATE of Every KOTOR Planet

[@100StarWars]

Do you guys enjoy longer videos like this, or do you prefer them to be shorter? I'm interested in getting your opinions for future content! Also, did you notice the video's little easter egg? I found it quite funny while making it ;)

[@trueConnorado]

Love the KOTOR vids of really any length.

[@Thunderstrike10]

longer please!

[@dragonate9906]

longer is better

[@georgelong881]

Whatever means getting more content

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Hmm, longer might waste some of my time, but it does give off a lot of valuable info compared to shorts, so...

[@mkcstealth7624]

Legitimately dumbfounded at the Endar Spire. We literally watch it blow up in the opening cutscene after the prologue and some writer somewhere said "no"

[@savagepanda8458]

I’m retconning it out in my headcanon to be a different ship traveling with the Endar Spire that got disabled early on in the battle.

[@SonOfKhanarge]

fr *Ahem swtor*

[@Nephalem2002]

Well we saw the Deathstar Blow Up and somehow that had wreckage.

[@jcrebel18]

I think what happened to Manaan is pretty tragic. I typically like going there early, and of course loved the tranquil music there. I'm glad Shasa made it off world and had a good ending though.

[@TheAverageGamer1]

That's my least favorite planet tbh. Is just kill the selkath in the sith embassy lol😂😂

[@Engine33Truck]

I’m not a fan of Manaan. It feels too sterile and reminds me of those beach vacations from 90s commercials. Canderous’s assessment is spot on.

[@jcrebel18]

@@Engine33Truck I just liked the peaceful music there.

[@larniieplayz6285]

@@Engine33Truck nothing wrong with that Star Wars isn’t all dirt and grime

[@OfAngelsAndAnarchist]

The spit-filled long speeches are horrible It’s the worst planet by really far

[@deity752]

I loved hearing about what happened to the planets you visited from Kreia at the end and what kind of impact (or lack of impact) you had on their future.

[@sml909]

With star wars republic commando rereleasing on playstation with trophies and not on xbox I wish the star wars games that are backwards compatible especially kotor 1 & 2 had achievements added. Still play both kotors almost yearly. Achievements would really add value to continuing to replay them!

[@Amresh10]

Kotor 2 does on steam

[@BenjiDurand]

Its on the gamepass

[@brandontyler1754]

Achievements are one of the most retarded things anybody ever put into video games and they pissed me off I'm glad the Star Wars games by-and-large don't have them especially the older ones

[@SosaMarvinEntertainment]

Steam has achievements

[@Ascendedninja6]

KOTOR 1 is glitched for me. Always freezes when I deal damage to Malak in the final fight.

[@Ravenforce3]

I didn't think too much about the Endar Spire crash site when I first ran across it save for "Neat easter egg." More I think about it not only did it survive mostly intact but, even after 300 years on a toxic wasteland THE PAINT IS STILL INTACT! What were they painting Republic warships with back then, cotorsis laced paint?

[@joshgrabslemons]

Obey the laws here on Manaan, human.

[@vivthetrashqueen]

Great content as usual Luke! Can't wait to see the fate of every KOTOR NPC! Especially Gizka #4, Sith Apprentice #6, Selkath #69, and ofc Tach #12. 🥰

[@100StarWars]

Gizka #5 is the character that really propels the story

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Uhhhhhhhh... Who's he, 100% Star Wars, this Gizka #5?

[@jedironbo]

I really liked the character arc of Tach #12! I felt really bad hunting him down, for his pelt, but I really needed the cash to buy the tech belt found on Dantoonen!(spelling?)

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@jedironbo "Dantooine", actually.

[@jedironbo]

@@michaelandreipalon359 thanks! Star Wars' names always throw me for a loop!

[@GlacierHades]

I never realized the sandrals and matales were executed by the Sith. So the option to have the kids run off is the only way them and their families memory lives on. Thus it is kinda like kreias way- you dont know how far reaching your choices are. Otherwise if you convince to stay with whatever option... well they would suffer the same fate

[@wadefarr3127]

I found you a week ago. Brilliant content! Love listening to it. Thanks for making it!

[@Robbini0]

Don't forget the SWTOR quest(s?) where you find the whole 'archive' of frozen / carbonite / stasis humans on Taris. Not sure when exactly they went into that situation, but they were still there during SWTOR.

[@littlerockdoc3183]

I wish Disney star wars would visit Nar Shadaa. As much as they really lean into the 'space western' persona of star wars, you'd think that they'd have a keen interest in telling it's story.

[@iiTzoreo1]

Idgaf what anyone says the endar spire blew tf up

[@alexanderharris5022]

The Sith Empire (Vitiate era) prevented the restoration of Taris. It’s more likely that the Reoublic managed to rebuild the planet after the collapse of the Sith Empire. In addition the Jedi Ruins on Dantooine were the focus of a fight between ‘The Alliance Commander’ and Darth Malgus, a renegade Sith Lord who wanted to steal information from the ruin. It also revealed that Dantooine was used by the Jedi to torture and experiment in force sensitives.

[@100StarWars]

Well, they didn't utterly remove the Telos restoration project.

[@alexanderharris5022]

@@100StarWars Yes they did. The story lines are in order, and The Sith Empire characters visit Taris second. In the Empire stories they cut off supplies, demolish the Jedi Enclave there, redirect Rakghoul infestations towards Republic encampments and blow up the republic’s only space port. Combine that with the fact Taris is firmly in Imperial space and we can assume The Sith Empire would and could prevent their restoration project from getting anywhere until their eventual collapse before the High Republic era.

[@jcrebel18]

4:02 interesting how what's supposed to be the "best ending" in the Matale/Sandral quest ends up not actually being the best ending in the grand scheme of things, and it's actually best if they just try to leave Dantooine.

[@mkmasterthreesixfive]

I think it is fitting to Kreia's teachings though. Through good, you can cause far more suffering than you otherwise had prior.

[@jcrebel18]

@@mkmasterthreesixfive It is. Although, do remember small the guy you give credits can also get mugged.

[@starlight0313]

I honestly thought that Matale was pronounced Ma-tail

[@matthewthiebaut6188]

It really makes me wonder what would have happened if the original Kotor staff could have made Kotor 3.

[@larniieplayz6285]

Same

[@joshuatayloe8616]

1 and 2 were made by 2 different companies. Which staff are you talking about?

[@trevorl9481]

There’s been a lot of theories about what it was going to look like. Favorite theory I’ve seen is The Exile and Revan trying to recruit more Jedi, rally the Republic, and delve into the philosophy of both Old Republic Jedi and the Sith Empire of the time. It sounded amazing… Essentially the Sith were going to try to kill the Force, because they viewed it as a broken system of predestination and they wanted to break their chains. The big problem is all life is touched by the Force, so essentially they were going to kill everyone except the Sith, then kill eachother until a galaxy entirely devoid of the Force remained. It was assumed in this theory that the Sith Empire was in-fact outrageously powerful. So EVERYONE would need to fight against them. We’d see rivals band together, fighting to preserve all life. You get to see some of the philosophy of the Force the Sith Empire believed from Kreia and Darth Revan prior to losing his memories. It is also hinted that Kreia might not have stopped teaching Sith once Revan left to scout the Sith Empire, or after Sion and Nihilus betrayed her. Kreia’s less-extreme ideology is what we see in KOTOR 2. Some of the ideas were repurposed in TOR. If I can find the videos and discussions I’ll post them as another comment. (Been looking for months)

[@joshuatayloe8616]

@A sith troope Idk what the exact reasons were, but I believe it had something to do with the influence system that was in 2. 1 and Tor were developed by BioWare, 2 was developed by Obsidian. Obsidian's early history revolved around obtaining licenses for games and developing sequels for said games and I'm not 100% sure, but I do believe they were one of the first companies to develop an influence system such as what's present in KOTOR 2.

[@adorkychristiandad]

Hopefully Disney doesn't try to do a kotor 3...

[@neonclear8500]

This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. The only, and I do mean ONLY thing I wish you did differently is list sources lol. I would love to be able to read/watch/play some of the stuff you are talking about lol. I have played both of the games, and read a bunch of the New Republic era novels, but that is about it. And to be honest, that's only a small gripe. It would take it from one of my favorite channels, to my ABSOLUTE favorite channels. Keep up the good work my friend

[@zandelscomicsandcards7543]

Wow. You got some SWTOR 7.0 footage in there. Shows this video is certainly up to date. Nice job.

[@LJ-qq8lx]

this is a surprise to be sure but a welcome one.

[@akacompanycreditcard8992]

Everything you put out is gold

[@geekversoz879]

Another great video, but one thing that I really want to see is the fate of every companion in the dark side route I think this'll be a excellent theme for a video

[@bobbyincidemetal]

This is great man!! Thank you. I like longer videos personally.

[@markwintersswfan6993]

Yet again. Another fantastic video.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

that Taris outcast quest in Swtor filled me with sadness

[@mmelmon]

"The Republic forgot about the existence of this planet... and I kind of wish that Disney would do the same." Quoted for truth.

[@Stoffer5500]

Great stuff, I've been enjoying binging your KoToR content ^^

[@PrinceZakariyya]

Great video

[@Colonel-Cornelius-CornJulio]

Can't wait for all of the Malachor Planets video!

[@bigbitehood1353]

5:37 Disney: what I'm hearing is you want MORE Tatooine

[@andrewmccarty755]

13:46 I've always find it scary when you don't have your're space suit on that glitch was scary 🤣

[@yanickmonet1165]

Also, on Dxun or Onderon (forgot which), the Dark Empire series, Palpatine life comes to an end there as well, as he tries to possess a newborn Anakin Solo.

[@CameronHuff]

Agree about Tatooine. An entire galaxy to explore, but it's always about Tatooine

[@plissken94th57]

I want some media go to Rhen Var and exploder the old republic in the empire or clone wars era where it ties it into canon

[@mandawarian]

I love Tatooine. Hope to see more of it.

[@GentlemanJacque]

16:59 "Oh shit you're recording?!" "Sorry...sorry.."

[@randymarshislorde]

Huh, the rare event where I find a video and it turns out to be full of information that I had no idea that I absolutely needed to know

[@youvebeenmungaid1470]

Very fascinating video I love your channel it’s very cool

[@TheAmazingTiger5]

Actually the Sith Empire managed to destroy the Republic restoration effort on Taris, it was probably recolonized much later.

[@Yoder023]

Tell Disney that

[@curzon9619]

@@Yoder023 Disney didn't have anything to do with the Legends history of Taris

[@Yoder023]

@@curzon9619 I'm not saying they did I'm saying "tell Disney" cuz they own ALL that shyt now!

[@curzon9619]

@@Yoder023 Why does Disney need to know???

[@Yoder023]

@@curzon9619 .....because they OWN Star Wars now. Where is this confusion? They all answer to the Mouse my dude

[@georgesuarez8325]

Fantastic, amazing and insightful video my friend. I can't believe you said you don't want to see Tatooine anymore because the Obi-Wan Kenobi series is going to be showing us his isolation there. I'm curious if all these other worlds from KOTOR with the exception of Tatooine and Onderon...were occupied by Palpatine and the Galactic Empire during the Original Trilogy

[@ClamdestineRendezvous]

From what I remember Manaan was turned into a resort world by the Empire with the Selcath as a sort of servile race working there.

[@courtneydaniels5559]

Awesome video!

[@funchfries]

I'd like to see a longer form video on each planet

[@gregoryvn3]

I had a fantastic time!

[@talkingbenson5487]

nice ! I was about to suggest you do "every kotor planet" next after your previous video on kotor party members. Well, seems you had the same idea yourself :)

[@zaggy_legion8133]

Really liked this video! Great throwback to everything I met during K1 and K2 gameplay. Hopefuly the rumors about Disney puting focus to Old Republic era are true.

[@stoogel]

We probably won't like the result. The whole deal is that Filoni and crew can pick and choose the Legends stuff to loosely base their new canon on while trampling over the rest

[@neverfear7725]

Starwars loves 300 years later

[@joshuaweinbender6075]

If he was able to identify the heart of the guardian and the mantle of the force it would suggest that he was force sensitive he was old even during revan's time

[@eyeam19able]

Bro, where those playthroughs at? I loved watching the lego star wars playthroughs and others Edit 1: I think a mix of long and short are good. The 30 min videos are great and I'd like to see more nowadays. The ideas have also been pretty fresh too

[@Ikit1Claw]

Somehow, Endar spire returned

[@joshuajefferson3504]

Lmao me and my friends were talking about this the other day.

[@andrewsutton7470]

We had a fantastic time

[@deckzone3000]

I remember being confused by those people living under the city when they said they were going to set out for new land. 🤔 It's not like "land of the lost" down there.

[@savagepanda8458]

Is it possible the Endar Spire being intact could be at some point retconned out as another Hammerhead-class cruiser? Perhaps it was traveling with the Endar Spire and got disabled early on in the battle?

[@starlighter93]

5:03 Now that is really interesting! Is this story related to The Force unleashed? Because from TFU2 we know that when the rebels captured Vader on Kamino, they brought him to their base on Dantooine. And actually, in my head I always thought that their base was what left of the Jedi Enclave.

[@GioTheVax]

I like these videos, but I think this one would have really benefitted from a bibliography. I'm really curious to know what sources you used outside of The Old Republic games and the mainline movies

[@maxxdahl6062]

"We get enough tattooine in disney star wars." *Forgets it's in damn near every Lucas movie too*

[@MysteryMaster3]

I like that Kreia was your showroom model. Lol

[@MathiasCzR01]

For Telos 4 do you know if the planet was rebuilt by the Ithorian project or by Czerka Corp or both? Because I remember Kreia stating in her future prediction (either if you help Ithorians or Czerka) that the planet recovers. Either it becomes an industrial and technological hub (which is said if you help Czerka) or its native surface is restored if you help the Ithorians.

[@100StarWars]

Ithorians most likely!

[@greylionGacHi]

Would love to see a follow up for SWTOR :)

[@100StarWars]

That would be a LOT of planets haha

[@shaydowsith348]

@@100StarWars Especially since Disney got the location of Tython wrong.

[@starkillerab1582]

In my canon the NJO reestablished the Old Jedi Enclave there into its former glory for the training of the next Generation of Jedi

[@qazimsahiti6041]

Taris was reclaimed by sith , dantoine got over run by gangs and the academy got raided by malgus , order of sasha were active during shadow of revan ,

[@Canadianvoice]

Also fun little call back Dantooine, its the planet Leia scapegoats to try to save alderaan. When vader and tarkin interogate her.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

The Endar Spire staying intact in TOR is more proof that it's an alternate universe Infinities storyline in my opinion. In actual Legends canon (and possibly even Alt-universe canon), it stays space dust and some small pickets of space debris, end of discussion. 5:36: Also Legends. Even that continuity shows Tatooine a whole lot. In the meantime, how you feel about Tatooine is the same as how I feel about Coruscant, though that Forceforsaken planet is thankfully still rarely seen in the Alt-universe. (I swear, Disney still using that desert wasteland planet is probably a metaphor for their own imagination for their Star Wars universe... still, hope Kenobi's a great show and a redeeming factor that counteracts TBoBB.) Yep, the Yavin Station from TOR is another example of Multiverse Theory janking out beyond our comprehension. I don't think I saw the Easter Egg, sorry... it better not be more Visas Marr stanning, though.

[@barkasz6066]

I sense much salt in you

[@stoogel]

Reconning is a thing. If it serves a future plot point, writers frequently go "actually... this person or thing did survive the past events"

[@I_am_a_cat_]

The Endar spire 100% has ship plot armor

[@lukelandrunner7915]

14:25 kriea stretches and yawns? I’ve never noticed that before lol

[@WardenWolf]

I played Let the Bodies Hit the Floor while charging through the Trayus Academy. At that point you're so powerful that, if you built your character right, you'll just slaughter them. And the lyrics fit. "Nothing wrong wtih me" - they'd been saying something was wrong with the Exile the whole game. "You wanted in now you're here, driven by hate, consumed by fear" - the Jedi who went off to war, fell to the dark side, and are now getting slaughtered.

[@AphitethLordOfLight]

To be so great that a Star-Forge was capable of being built, only for the builders entire species to be reduced to two "primitive" tribes fighting against eachother on a planet few know about. Imagine what it would be like to learn that was your history.

[@hunterdarkstar8126]

How did you get yavin station on your SWTOR game and can you play it on Xbox 360

[@calebburrichter8452]

It’s default in KOTOR. Just download the game, and it’s available.

[@hunterdarkstar8126]

@@calebburrichter8452 thanks

[@Miss_Trillium]

I imagine Malachor V had at least some impact on Malachor, as seen in Rebels? I'd be curious to know if that particular arc came after what we know of Malachor V, and if so why the sith kept on using this derelict system

[@michaelblower7363]

Well events of mass killing, pain and suffering, such as old warzones, can cause the Dark Side to resonate strongly in these areas. Perhaps the Sith were able to draw upon these nexuses and become stronger. Think of it as standing in a certain spot under a leaking roof trying to catch the dripping water. That's my theory anyway on why the Sith would continue using places like Malachor and Korriban.

[@curzon9619]

Rebels Malachor doesn't exist in the same universe, so there isn't any evidence of a mass shadow extinction as with Legends. The Sith used the world, died off/abandoned it, and the Rebels characters later find the world. It's all just a weird setup, a waste of existing lore when a different planet could easily have been used. Filoni doesn't care about lore, so he just does whatever he wants and lore suffers for it.

[@konradcurze8176]

Different settings. Legends is separate from Disney cannon

[@Engine33Truck]

Aside from the “legends vs. canon” BS, we can extrapolate a few things. The Battle of Malachor V is canon to an extent. It’s described as the “Scourge of Malachor”, and is the event where the “Superweapon of Malachor” was detonated. Obviously all referencing the battle of Malachor V and the Mass Shadow Generator. But in realistic fashion, it’s all shrouded in mystery. By the time of the Galactic Civil War, the exploits of Revan are most likely largely forgotten and major events such as the Mandalorian Wars and Jedi Civil War are probably only anecdotally mentioned. Also, IIRC, SWTOR described the other planets in the Malachor system as “barren”. It’s very possible that Malachor II or Malachor III gained the name Malachor, and the other planets were renamed in the intervening 3,600+ years. So by the time of Rebels, all that is really known is there was a terrible event on a planet in the Malachor system, and since Malachor V’s destruction was completed in KOTOR II, Rebels-era history assumes it to have taken place on the only remaining planet called Malachor.

[@ebransc09]

Re: half the planets “You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you… damn you all to hell!”

[@lxginventorymanagement1859]

yo what show or game is that from at 11:38???

[@MysteryMaster3]

Have you considered covering what happens to the companions and/or planets if Revan and/or The Exile followed the dark side?

[@starlight0313]

Bastila turns to the dark side, carth, mission, zaalbar, jolee and juhani all die, the droids and Canderous go with you, the galaxy is conquered by revan’s star forge fleet.

[@timonsolus]

My personal view is that I don’t regard anything from the SW:TOR MMO as part of the KOTOR I and II storyline. The links between the MMO and the original games were poorly devised and basically fanfiction.

[@JC-zj2is]

💯 yupp

[@MrKotasuperhero]

Is that swtor at 16:41?

[@rwp0079]

Ok the weirdest thing to me about the fate of Dantooine is... well in Star Wars Galaxies it's populated by primitive tribes. I'm not sure exactly what the source for that was. Giving how strict Lucas Arts was I doubt thats something SOE just invented. So I always wondered what happened there. If those were decendants of colonists who somehow regressed or something.

[@TopRanger237]

I think some point some Tarus ciztens fixed up the ender spire so they could use it as shelter

[@markacostajr.1584]

I liked tattooine. Personally I wish in many games they explored the planet more as I'm sure there's more than just 1 major hub on the planet. Also it's a big world filled with criminals and thieves so who knows might be a hub for treasure hunters looking for lost booty not to mention hunting a variety of fauna

[@youreokayboah2128]

Tattooine is the most boring/overused/overrated map of all time. It’s literally a large deserted planet with few cities runned by bandits. And it’s the same over and over in each story/game.

[@markacostajr.1584]

@@youreokayboah2128 the same can be said about many places in the various games. Planets in star wars are either planet sized metropolis or scarcely populated. The ones in-between lean one or another and many times it doesn't make sense why they are the way they are. For me tattooine has a nice mix of populated centers and open frontier. Also being in the outer rim of course there's going to be the seedy element but again there's more there based on different shows and the games themselves. Lastly of course it's overused it's thee iconic planet of star wars more so than other planets. Not hating on others though would like to see more from all of them

[@larniieplayz6285]

No ebon hawk?

[@Kaylersick]

i had to look up yavin station. played on xbox i never even knew it existed.

[@MrWill9002]

Endar Spire: "YES! I AM INVINCIBLE!!!!" (I had to and I do NOT apologize for it XD)

[@peter_popoff]

What about M4-78?

[@K2niarDneK]

It's also cool to note that, during the waning months of The Clone Wars, Jedi Grand Master Yoda eventually travelled to Korriban (at that point renamed to Moraband) for training to retain his consciousness after death. He encountered Dark Side apparitions of Ancient Sith, including one of Darth Bane himself. It was never absolutely confirmed whether Moraband and Korriban are the same planet AFAIK. But given the terrain, the landmarks, the entirety of the goddamn Valley of the Dark Lords; it's pretty safe to assume that they're the same place, just renamed after thousands of years.

[@mikhailozingin1212]

...not until one of his ancestors... Descendants?

[@ebransc09]

KOTOR on switch now? How is the port?

[@papastallion]

It was Czerka Corperation, not the Exchange that tried to take over Dantooine

[@100StarWars]

It was technically both, but the Exchange led the operation and they were the ones intending to use Dantooine as a potential outpost.

[@keelanbarron928]

About the tatooine being overused thing: is Disney, they haven't been used all that much in the movies or the shows. (unless you thought that every single time they went to a dessert, they were on tatooine.) there's once in the movies (the end of TROS) then there's some episodes in the mandolorean but they're spread apart between the two seasons (also it showed us a krayt dragon so I'm fine with it.) and that's about it. (the comics in the other hand.......actually they show more of mustafar then tatooine.)

[@SpodyOdy]

I don’t remember Yavin station and I’ve played multiple times? Is that a pc only thing?

[@Kazaroth93]

Do a video on the fate of all major NPCs next

[@Dave-ks9fi]

You missed the Dantooene reference from New Hope

[@DonovanT22]

12:34 two bags of loot which means... ): Also duel blaster wielding kriea *cursed*

[@Kolonol1]

So what happened to the overall Malachor system? Was it forgotten? Or....a lot of people seemed to know about Malachor and how it ended the Mando wars so it seems odd that it would just be forgotten...

[@Amresh10]

I mean people forgot the sith and they fought loads more wars with the Republic than the Mandalorians.

[@Kolonol1]

@@Amresh10 true...but the Mandos lead the way for the sith... I mean think about it the Sith used the mandalorians to destroy the Republic... Now revan stepped in and for the most part saved them, but then this is invaded under the guise of Revan and Malak... And then three or four more... One of those times the Republic actually lost, I don't think the Sith would have ever been as successful as they were without the mandalorians first

[@Amresh10]

@@Kolonol1 true for that era. But the sith had fought the Republic long before that under marko ragnos

[@Kolonol1]

Yes but they didn't lose that war

[@Amresh10]

@@Kolonol1 the republic didn’t lost to the mandos either. Most republic loses were from the sith like Darth Vitiate’s Sith Empire or Zakuul ( which was led by the Sith Emperor still). So if the sith could be forgotten I think it’s not unreasonable that the mandalorians would be too. Edit: and therefore Malachor as well

[@MiningForPies]

One of his ancestors realised the jewel was a data crystal? Didn’t realise time travel was a thing in Star Wars 🧐

[@luvondarox]

The Endar Spire seems to embody the Schrodinger's Cat aspect of much of SW lore.

[@dawnstar777]

Great vids my boy Goes hard

[@DrarosK]

What about the Ebon Hawk? :D

[@shaydowsith348]

I have the Ebon Hawk on my wall in my stronghold. 🙂

[@rasmusasd3868]

Malek really likes bombarding planets

[@joenesvick7043]

If using the restored content mods, Vash didn't die on Korriban, but perhaps the restored content mods aren't considered canon. The game does feel kinda short without them No mention of M4-78, yeah guess the restored content mods aren't canon 😥

[@Regulus985]

This video is brilliant! Also I agree about Tatooine, I’m bored of seeing it.

[@Gothicc1993]

Somehow, the Endar Spire Returned

[@cv03luka53]

"Crash shite" 😂😂

[@calebbauer9766]

Aren't we led to believe that Suvam is already extremely old in KOTOR and is likely more than meets the eye? Or was I the only who felt that way?

[@Madcatdave]

They don't build ships like the spire anymore.