The Ferrari Market Broke | Which Models to Buy and Which to Avoid

[@MS-1994]

The farther Ferrari gets away from Pininfarina, toward turbocharging, hybridizing, screens everywhere, etc., the more they drop.

[@ph8077]

It's 2024 Mr Luddite

[@seaeyeare]

Audi designer has me questioning a lot right now

[@MS-1994]

@@ph8077 Do some research. The market agrees with me.

[@RootBeerGMT]

Absolutely. Very few are objects of beauty any more and the complex it will eventually turn them into to bricks--no one is going to have a clue as to repairing the electronics in 20 years and even if they do-who will have the circuits?

[@ajayreddy8732]

@@ph8077he’s right.

[@GunfightersINC]

I just bought a super clean 458 Coupe.. in my opinion, it is peak Ferrari and I'm confident it will hold it's value fairly well.

[@johnbacon4997]

Small world! I believe you had your 458 Arrive at the track day I attended. Grigio example over brown!

[@GunfightersINC]

@@johnbacon4997 Yeah that's me. It was at Spokane.. I'm also out there a lot in a silver GT3RS..

[@sm-sm-sm433]

i agree

[@WFORacer]

How this bloke doesn’t have more subscribers is beyond me. Very articulate very well presented data 👏👏👏

[@nfareview]

I recently bought a very well kept and well spec'd 488 coupe, paid cash, and have no plans to sell it anytime soon. It's the 6th exotic I've owned and I can't stop driving it and I love it the most and I've owned newer models. The 488 is a very under appreciated car and has aged very well! Don't get scared to pick one up! Buy the right spec at the right price and you can enjoy it without much loss!

[@AppletreeGreen]

I can only imagine how much work does go into the analysis first and then into the graphic interpretation, thank you!

[@fourwheeltrader]

Thanks a lot for the support. It is much appreciated.

[@tomwilsonn]

I saw a tiktok with some guy 250k underwater on an SF90 and his income dropped so the payment was his entire monthly income... rip

[@mashsyed9808]

something tells me its now a part time exotic rental :)

[@RDebski]

So the guy bought something he cant afford

[@steve0504]

@@RDebski it happens. People lose jobs/incomes…. Bidens economy has been terrible.

[@Bob-in4eh]

I bought my first Ferrari and chose the California T. Came out of a 2021 C8 corvette which is a great car for the money when compared to Ferrari . 1st getting parts and getting the Vett worked on is pretty convenient. Ferrari on the other hand is much more difficult . My experience is that the closest dealer won’t take appointments for simple diagnostic tests , and don’t provide loaner cars . Mind you a used 2015 Cali T is in the 130-140k range and is 10 years old versus a new Z06 at same price point . Mine is certified and to extend the certification is about $4500 per year . All in all it is a beautiful car , performance is great but when looking at the hassle and expense to maintain it I am surprised there is any used Ferrari market . They are killing their own brand with this attitude now that others are building very competitive cars at far less money

[@EvoraGT430]

Summaries at 8:34 and 11:54

[@rdiamond655]

Excellent, really appreciate the insights.

[@sfulmer430]

Your F355 price analysis is somewhat incomplete. Two major factors for that model are transmission type (6 speed manual versus F1), but even more important is the body style. While they seem to have dropped somewhat since the peak roughly a year ago...the rarest targa GTS can be 2-3x the spider price all other factors equal and the berlinetta hardtop maybe 1.5-2x.

[@fourwheeltrader]

Yes, as mentioned in the video, i only included the automatic spiders. Price trends for the other variants can be different by supply is too low to draw relaible conclusions.

[@gregwasik]

I have a request... Please please put the model names on all of your charts so I don't have to go back and search to figure it what model it was for.

[@ricsu3462]

awesome update, thank u!!

[@jakemiles4470]

The work you do every time is amazing! Thank you so much!!!!!

[@KamTimIp]

How about Ferrari Roma, is the price dropping faster than mid engine? Thanks

[@hervedepreaux7420]

The "ultimate" recipe to keep value is : 1) Pininfarina design 2) Gated manual 3) Naturaly aspirated

[@octobarra]

My 488 Pista is none of those things, and has appreciated $200k. So...

[@hervedepreaux7420]

@@octobarra future will tell us if Pininfarina is an advantage or not...

[@steve0504]

California Cal30 2013

[@jjm20685]

Please do the Porsche targa market.

[@Branagh96]

Lambo next please

[@octobarra]

Everyone knows the forecast for Lamborghini. They all lose value far more quickly.

[@patriekdv5076]

@@octobarra no they don't !!

[@KraussTobias]

What will happen to 812 Superfasts, once the 12Cilindri will be delivered?

[@Lambo_David]

+1 here

[@RootBeerGMT]

It will dropping faster than Bill Clinton’s pants in an Arkansas barn

[@Lambo_David]

@@RootBeerGMT ok then I will buy more

[@StillWaters-]

The California has such a bad rap. Even the girls in miami know. Don’t bother if you’re buying it for the wrong reasons. It won’t have the same effect. But for driving ? Man that thing looks FUN 😂

[@weRchecking]

Thanks for the thoughtful content - what’s the definition of your mileage categories and related what’s the optimal trade-in mileage and ownership duration for Ferraris generally if one wants to serially purchase Ferraris - thank you

[@luismiguel711]

A Safe bet low mileage 458

[@DriftKr6l]

Love the Ferrari updates, pls keep them going.

[@user-gl2eq2ly4g]

Great work as usual Thank you

[@duncanbleak3819]

Excellent work. As usual!

[@BigMaccc130]

Currently have a Roma Spider spec’d at 332k, tried to go with more of a light build so resell would be a little easier. It hasn’t started getting built so depreciation wise do you think it would be smart to cancel before they start building it?

[@fourwheeltrader]

The Roma has a relative steep depreciaiton curve, have a look at this video (6min 23): kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKvIpqKZoJuCpJYsi=bEs4S4Og-C3lvZCB Only you can decide if you love the car enough to justify it :)

[@СергейПронин-т7н]

I owned a 458 and then traded it in for a 488 which is much better in almost every way and am absolutely happy with the choice.

[@glock2701]

One of the few, most prefer the 458.

[@patriekdv5076]

@@glock2701 No they don't, and F8 is even (alot) better !

[@DanielFrench]

I bought a 458 spider in April with just 12,000 miles on the clock - she's mint, and I'm still in love with it! After thoroughly investigating the cars I could afford - 911 GT3's, Aston's, Mclarens etc, I finally decided on a Ferrari 458 spider, and I'm so pleased I did, however I was watching this video holding my breath a little - so thanks for reassuring me, my decision on the 458 spider was correct! The newer Ferrari's with digital dashes, turbo chargers, haptic buttons etc etc, are just meh in my opinion... Normally aspirated, high revving engines are where it's at. Period.

[@patriekdv5076]

maybe you should drive a "newer" Ferrari ! You can't even compare a 458 to let's say a F8 ! F8 is so much better !

[@DanielFrench]

@ with a turbo? No thanks 🙂‍↔️

[@VTheGuerrilla]

Can you do Lamborghini Huracan and Aventadors as the new models Revuelto being here and Temarario on the way.

[@fourwheeltrader]

I believe the huracans are included here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWTcfnZspbitqLMsi=s90zP23qn6oCdBUJ The aventadors will follow once i have enough data

[@alansilver3482]

Yes but a Porsche be boring in every way including worried about money more than enjoying the car. 😂

[@BertrandDussert]

What about for the Pista or Speciale?

[@peacetheory5544]

I still think the Testerossa is an amazing buy, and to me, somewhat of an anomaly as to why they don’t average $250K to $300K, but I’m not a Ferrari market expert Edit: I checked again, and they’ve went up slightly, averaging about $215K, but you can still find a decent one for $159K! It might be time to jump on one

[@dr.manuelkoch3256]

Very interesting analysis. As KZbin is a global plattform and your videos are watched also by people outside of the US, it might make sense to state what you mean with "the market". I guess your data refers to the US market, right?

[@fourwheeltrader]

It always refers to the US market unless stated otherwise (see also 9:51). At 12:17 you can see a comparison between the US and DE market.

[@Rachel-Leh]

What is the current discount rates for the 488 coupes? Thank you so much!

[@user-gl2eq2ly4g]

Glad I bought a 458 Aperta in 2017 ...... Even if I did have to trade a gorgeous Ford GT 2006 titanium four option 900 mile stallion

[@Chaplikebab_]

Value plummets are based on people Not ready for change. It’s happening and it’s staying. Depreciation will reverse

[@LeoPiero]

You should do Gallardo.

[@fourwheeltrader]

Work in progress, need a bit more data before i will include them on the channel.

[@feralc]

What about Testarossas, 512tr and 512M??

[@fourwheeltrader]

Unfortunately i do not have any data for those models.

[@pierredebug17]

This is a lot of efforts and work to describe what has already happened. But what can you actually deduct about the next trend? I give you my two cents (not that it matters much), but in my view a car should be seen as an expenditure and therefore worth zero after you bought it. Against this you have endless driving satisfaction. And if you happen to sell it then it is a bonus. So my guess is my value trend is down and up, satisfaction is up and down. Enjoy in good health.

[@ronaldJ262]

If you ever happen to be in Middlesbrough, hit my DM's and I'll have you round for some fajitas. 🤩

[@TonyStark-gw9kw]

Great update, thank you! What about F12, 812 and 296?

[@fourwheeltrader]

The F12 and 812 are covered here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKvIpqKZoJuCpJYsi=KHHmyMYab3pXztcI

[@TonyStark-gw9kw]

@@fourwheeltrader thank you! Hopefully 296 can be included in the next update, from what I can see on local listings their value seems to be holding well over the past year.

[@fourwheeltrader]

@@TonyStark-gw9kw Have a look at 02:30 in this video :)

[@RyanAlexanderAttorney]

@@TonyStark-gw9kw First owners are getting offered $50-100k *under* MSRP on trade.

[@Toni62R]

In Europe there is a big difference between the F355 Spider and the F355 GTS, which ist much more expensive - with a stable development

[@louisyeung7986]

can you do an analysis on MT cars of 360,430

[@dhfozzie]

Just buy a 458 speciale no other decision required only that the colour should be yellow ❤❤

[@iliralimi3312]

Pista long term ?

[@deadalnix]

What do you use to track this data?

[@user-gl2eq2ly4g]

Pista piloti ?

[@verynormalman]

Thankyou.

[@JGGTRCALI]

Nissan GTR next!

[@fourwheeltrader]

I definitely need to start including those GTRs

[@MTbone7]

Good one

[@martinplamondon1089]

Could you evaluate prices of Chevy Camaro SS, SS 1LE and ZL1 hard top and convertible? ❤

[@Durrah1]

We need Ferrari v12’s !!

[@fourwheeltrader]

Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKvIpqKZoJuCpJYsi=e6Aot9WCiX-mAq6a

[@user-gl2eq2ly4g]

Sign of the financial times

[@johnbecker70]

Not a sign of the financial times. The car/collector market is a beast of its own. Values were higher when financial times were still recovering. The financial market is healthy right now, so there are other factors at work here.

[@steve0504]

It WILL Be healthy beginning Jan 20.

[@johnbecker70]

@@steve0504 IT WILL NOT be better on January 20th. The only reason it might be is because the Stock Market crash will force people to maybe invest elsewhere.

[@shedavid8515]

Cullinan please

[@millerlena3926]

Thanks for German numbers ❤

[@referencetheater1742]

Lamborghini is much more on the hype than Ferrari…. Aventador SV and Huracan Performante are the ones to get

[@AENYC]

Pista trend?

[@MrAphorism]

Not in Australia, such a small market and luxury car tax make our cars some of the most expensive in the world.

[@MUSHROOMSOUPBAND]

CALIFORNIA PLEASE

[@fourwheeltrader]

Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKvIpqKZoJuCpJYsi=cfGA30FS65ezgGqD

[@PakimPansing]

The 458 remains one of the best design

[@Ludak021]

If you are a value conscious buyer, you aren't looking to buy a money pit...

[@eduardgarciafreixa7542]

Ferrari Roma pls?! The one we are thinking of buying

[@RootBeerGMT]

Whoa-that tops looks complex and expensive to repair.

[@fourwheeltrader]

It is included here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKvIpqKZoJuCpJYsi=PSSsCJmaY_SWXkGG

[@moStallion]

458 gt3 is my favorite

[@Yaya-pp9lw]

What about the Ferrari F12 I believe it’s a very solid investment

[@fourwheeltrader]

Have a look at this video around the 07:30 mark kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKvIpqKZoJuCpJYsi=IaZStAH_ry-jn4Ig

[@patriekdv5076]

a Ferrari V12 is never a "solid investment" !

[@prairiehills416]

Do you "want", or "need" a Ferrari sports car?! 🤔

[@RootBeerGMT]

These cars have gotten complex, they will never be classics and will eventually be unrepairable. If you want a Ferrari, stick to the 80s

[@patriekdv5076]

lol

[@justinerickson282]

I’m buying a Porsche so no need to worry about the fragile horse that is Ferrari

[@patriekdv5076]

lol

[@AGC828]

Should turbo engines cars heh... Was a cardinal sin to turbocharger any Ferrari

[@paveldmitrenko]

gotta buy 812 gts ! lol

[@innotech]

355 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@simonc5592]

Stupid comparing asset value of Ferraris The Maintenance will bury you

[@MS-1994]

False. No different for me than Porsche, Mercedes, etc. Once a year service and it is reasonable.

[@simonc5592]

@@MS-1994 maybe porsche or main stream mercedes but not Ferrari

[@ph8077]

I factor-in £2k maintenance per year for my 2023 RS5. Ferrari offers a transferrable 7-year free servicing on new cars - even so if you can't budget around £5k per year for general costs, you can't afford something this expensive anyway.

[@RootBeerGMT]

Huge holding costs.

[@sfulmer430]

I've owned an F355 since 2002 and even with the engine-out maintenance... the overall maintenance cost and reliability is much more reasonable than portrayed on the internet. However, one factor that must be included when representing F355 maintenance... or really all Ferrari maintenance...is that any car 25 years old will likely begin to have reliability issues compared to a brand new car obviously... also, any car that has been heavily abused (and many Ferraris probably are due to what they are and the people they attract) will negatively impact reliability.

[@michaeltrumph121]

The current models are GARBAGE due to hybridisation and turbos

[@justinhamill954]

Avoid them all😂

[@lanceboullion9888]

Thank you. 💯💯💯🚗⬆️📉