The Fight for Native Sovereignty in Oil-Rich Oklahoma

[@brancenredman456]

"No one wants to be the Villian in this story, that is why they wrote history the way they did." is such a powerful and important statement

[@ttbalog]

Very powerful indeed! America was built on lies.

[@MikeMueller-jq4nb]

The story of kidnapping and raids torturers and murders by the natives trying to hold onto their savage way of life is nothing to forget either..

[@XxBrMagicxX]

​​@@MikeMueller-jq4nb TIL that America has absolutely no history of doing those things ever, especially not when they're invading people and ignoring treaties

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

@@MikeMueller-jq4nb: Squatters should be roam free like unwanted immigrants?

[@yourhuckleberry6757]

​@@TheTrueOnyxRose ha.. Different natives claim others were here. Like tall red haired people. They say they unalived them. Either you respect their history and sovereignty. And others history and sovereignty or that makes you a... ya know.

[@Bread-nx9fo]

Never forget how people murdered the Osage for oil, its one of the biggest tragedies in the state.

[@home3363308]

Missouri has started giving back state owned land in some areas to the Osage Nation. ON has also purchased quet a bit a other land on MO. They don't have the protection of land like on OK as MO doesn't recognize separate Indian territory though.

[@dakotaridgek9]

The Osage are not one of the 5 Nations discussed. Check.

[@doctordl7757]

You mean whites

[@I_am_UpsideDown]

They wouldn't listen... and they lost everything.

[@doctordl7757]

It wasn't people it was "VVhite" people

[@plasticbratt]

“Where does it stop?” Oklahoma is a unique case. That’s the territory where Indians were driven from all over the county into a permanent “Indian colonization zone.” The history is very muddy and complicated from there, of course, but to act like Chicago and Oklahoma are the same sort of case is a highly disingenuous argument.

[@slk1451]

I agree. He was using an extreme example to diminish our right to sovereignty. I feel the tribes would be better off running the state. The Gov is really only in charge of the OKC area anyway.

[@newinhuman]

why should it stop?

[@snjspring]

💯

[@newinhuman]

@@slk1451 hopefully less than that soon. If gov can be rented and bought by corp and not the locals, whats the point? millionaires dont stay home too often, less you force them with a virus eh? Lets talk more

[@slk1451]

@@newinhuman spot on

[@TheTonialadd]

Sadly it’s not only the indigenous peoples land. It’s the place they were forced. My great grandmother was forced to walk the Trail of Tears from Alabama to Oklahoma. Her home was Alabama but you won’t see her ancestors getting their land back. At least it’s a start though.

[@eathecommie]

If a group is unable to defend their land, it's no longer their land.

[@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave]

it is not their land, if we just give land back because the natives were there first then why don't we just give Germany all its former lands back? They lost the war, they lose land. its literally that simple.

[@ayyysample5058]

@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave not simple when a part of the country was designated indigenous territory in order to get rid of the indigenous people in various part of the country. This is a more recent claim that can use the various treaties signed by the federal government during 1800's to back up the claim that Oklahoma is their "land" (even though they were forcibly marched there)

[@plaguednecro]

@@eathecommie why am i not surprised someone with a username as yours supports colonialism and displacement

[@cetologist]

​​​@@eathecommieSo if China took Taiwan or South Korea then you'd be fine with that? Or Germany took over Liechtenstein? You have such a childish way of thinking about nations. Rights aren't about who has the most people and resources to exploit for killing others. We'd be in the Stone Age if we started breaking every treaty and diplomatic agreement in favor of "who has more population to send into the meatgrinder".

[@unlimitedcosmicspeed]

If the land ran out of resources or oil ....how many of those 'suits', 'govt officials' and 'non-native american land owners' would argue to keep the land? ....... answer = none.

[@miguelrodriguez-pineroriva6713]

Maybe the ones who were born and raised and whose parents were born and raised in that land that they now call home?

[@Girtharmstrong69]

Thats really stupid logic, its almost as if you grew up on the internet and not in reality. Why would the us govt allow a sovreign state in the middle of the american landmass ?

[@napoleon3026]

@@miguelrodriguez-pineroriva6713then they would empathise more than anyone with the plight of natives Although the comments aren’t talking about regular people but politicians

[@miguelrodriguez-pineroriva6713]

@@napoleon3026 they would emphatise with the people that are kicking them out?

[@TH-ue7lj]

I think they would still take the land back because they would know for sure the gov. would not bother them anymore..nothing left to take.

[@alaskeskimo]

Tribes should treat the oil companies in the same manner that they were treated.

[@honestfriend767]

Why do you want to sow economic disaster? That won’t be good for neither the tribe nor the oil companies. The tribes need to create a deal with the oil companies that insures that the property and sales taxes go to the tribe.

[@alaskeskimo]

@@honestfriend767 Because the oil companies have the tribes best interest at heart? Nope. Times are changing. Tribes can develop their OWN energy resources...

[@RollerBladingSuxs]

nicely

[@annepoitrineau5650]

A bit extreme, but I understand the sentiment. You merit reparation for sure.

[@Germain-ys8zz]

@@alaskeskimono they can’t

[@markanquoe2612]

11:03 -- NO ONE is asking for the whole damn continent back. The only demand that we have ever pursued in a century of modern activism is that the US should do WHAT YOU AGREED TO DO in all those treaties YOU SIGNED. Nothing more.

[@BloodArtistify]

That will never happen unfortunately too much money involved

[@jasonjohnson4028]

Well, they should at least let them hunt and fish for free...like the treaty says.

[@triplec6967]

no I do believe every native tribe should have all of their land back

[@cetologist]

​@@triplec6967 Most of the Native Americans were genocided by settlers and wiped out by disease so... probably not enough to do that

[@CultureCrossed64]

Stop saying "no one" because it's just not true. Literally all you have to do is scroll through the other comments to invalidate your own

[@dwight33]

As the Cherokee Nation says, “We are better together.” ❤

[@jeanwonnacott2718]

Perfect. Love your comment! Thank you. Jeannie 😊

[@slk1451]

Osiyo ginali! You are absolutely right. We live with gadugi.

[@I_am_UpsideDown]

that's one of the 5 sell outs throwing the rest of over 600 tribes under the bus.

[@slk1451]

@@I_am_UpsideDown how so?

[@soddyboys2929]

Not true. Some of the politics and laws our people put forth are backwards and not productive.

[@JuanHernandez-dj9zo]

You know how this usually works. If it’s something the United States wants or wants back…. They’ll take it.

[@DAVID.WILSON-h9u]

ABSOLUTELY...... WTH NO REGRETS

[@Zbezt]

They tried and failed otherwise you wouldnt be here to make that comment

[@HaveAGreatDay54]

Anyone that actually believes that they 'own' land in the United States should stop paying property taxes. That is when they will find out what truly owns the land.

[@michaell6645]

It’s always been US territory. The issue is state of OK Vs New states

[@JoeBrown-i2q]

​@@ZbeztThe way it was told to me as after they tried slave us out in we resisted they killed us in record numbers then they seen we didn't fear death...they knew they was gonna have to wipe us out in the constitution papers land of the free would be nothing but a lie in everyone would know!! It's get deeper my elders were full blooded creek in taught me well about history.

[@aaronscott8837]

as a native oklahoman that was born and raised in this state, i am disgusted and appalled at what it has become. i 100% agree that tribal land should belong to the tribe not to the state that stole it from them!!! but then again this is what the united states has done since it was founded as a country.

[@Peachyycakess0]

I am native and born and raised by Tahlequah. Always interesting in learning more. Excited to see this video! During the trail of tears, ancestors located to tahlequah and my great great grandma had chosen healthcare for the rest of her generations line instead of land for herself. I am PROUD to be Cherokee!!

[@jasonjohnson4028]

Much love for the Quah!

[@jdmac1475]

As you should be.

[@brownnative-.-7599]

That name sounds familiar is that Washington state tribe? In or near Skagit county?

[@Peachyycakess0]

@@brownnative-.-7599 what tahlequah? It's a town in Oklahoma, Cherokee Nation HQ pretty much. :)

[@brownnative-.-7599]

@pcbusby ah ok must've misremembered another tribes name

[@TomahawkCack]

Much love from a Chickasaw/Seminole Native American, living in Indian Territory, Oklahoma, USA 🇺🇸 🪶 ✌🏾 (I think I should’ve typed that I was Indian instead of Native American) 🥹

[@stoonookw]

Let's fuckin gooooo

[@tmm6884]

Hello, fellow Oklahoman! I'm a citizen of the Kiowa Nation of Oklahoma. ❤

[@TomahawkCack]

@@tmm6884 Salutations! Always glad to hear from a native.

[@TomahawkCack]

@@stoonookw let’s go!!! 💪🏾

[@G.MONEY.]

shoutout from a Lumbee of North Carolina, living in NY

[@alwayschillingx]

Americans: Israel has a right to defend itself that’s their homeland. Okay what about Native Americans? Americans: No

[@CultureCrossed64]

You did have a right to defend yourselves. You lost. Then we moved you to reservations - and that's just "our" land 🤷‍♂️

[@Viktor-xg8hm]

​So Natives should fight again? So Natives should keep fighting for there land 700 treaties broken!​@@CultureCrossed64

[@aezzil3536]

​@@CultureCrossed64They never wanted to fight in the first place.

[@kryptonik1522]

@@CultureCrossed64 you obviously didn't watch the show, if it was as simple as your "logic" then there would be no lawsuits or tribal lands. justice moves slow but as native people gain power with casino money they are slowly winning lawsuits against the government who made the treaties for the land in the first place. your just butt hurt because the supreme court is signing the check your forefathers wrote and while you had nothing to do with the founding of this country it will be you and your children who pay the tab.

[@26dollar]

we're in charge now B)

[@hectech]

Just because the U.S. is the villain of the past doesn't mean it can't be the hero of the future. RECONCILIATION and stop denying our past TOGETHER.

[@Sureshots.]

Absolutely not. Without us y’all would not even know about oil.

[@Pheckphul1]

​​@@Sureshots.😂😅 "Wouldn't know about oil...." Indians used oil products from spots where it naturally occurred on or near the surface way before we pale faces arrived. I think you are speaking about that of which you know little. Try Googling it. And if the "we" you are using instead refers to the first settlers of the north American continent, I think you should study some world history if you don't know that petroleum was in use before the 19th century.

[@ZDeliayelw]

Same Government then as now , and they are now killing the new native Americans the same way the did the old Native Americans

[@cetologist]

​​@@Sureshots.Justifying killing 90% of the population of two entire continents and exploting them for slave labor and land by saying "but us enslaving you *civilized* you" is certainly something. It's literally what the southern traitors / civil war losers used as their argument for enslaving Africans... Also indigenous Americans used oil for many purposes before Columbus so you're just flat out lying lol.

[@cetologist]

​@@Sureshots.​​ Justifying killing 90% of the population of two entire continents and exploting them for slave labor and land by saying "but us enslaving you *civilized* you" is certainly something. It's literally what the southern traitors / civil war losers used as their argument for enslaving Africans... Also Native Americans knew about oil and used it for many purposes before Columbus so you're just flat out lying.

[@NurseVic-sy5nd]

The fact that we get free videos from VICE News on KZbin is priceless., keeping the education and knowledge alive 👏 May I also remind you of the fact that our Native American population in our motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions. Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION! A shockingly sad truth. 😔 In my humble opinion, it's about time to decolonize the Colonized lands, and return to rightful owners Native American people. Notorious global cardinal crimes the Christian West has committed, and benefited a great deal, such as Slavery & Colonialism had long been over, why on earth is notorious Colonization still lingering on, may I ask? 🤷

[@mrsalwaysright6478]

Priceless!

[@JohnB-nq4js]

Revisionist history will never die as long as Vice lives!

[@auntieanne-wr9oh]

Vice News is the best.

[@MayOdinGuideYou]

Quite entertaining as well.

[@LeftyAmigo]

Amen.

[@doct0rnic]

4:10 but he got that deed when the Dawes act opened up land, his family bought land technically not for sale but indians who had no money that were expected to suddenly pay taxes 10:23 probably the scariest thing a politician has said about tribes, essentially overthrowing federal policy

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

he doesnt care about how his family for the deed

[@matteow101]

He still legally obtained it and Federal Law applies to indian nations and Article I, Section 9, Clause 3 of the us constitution states "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed" which means that he legally owns the land. The 5th amendment's "Takings clause" states that: "...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation..."

[@jefflewis4]

@@matteow101 It won't matter if the Courts rule the same regarding civil cases as they just did criminal. Because the SC in McGirt held that the domain over the land the Indians held by Treaty with the US Gov't before his ancestors obtained the land has never been dis-established. So even though he owns the land, it being on Indian Territory the Indian Tribes may end up with domain over it, just like the State of Oklahoma had. They then can tax, regulate him, his business and his property as they like.

[@aycc-nbh7289]

⁠@@jefflewis4But do they have jurisdiction over these affairs when non-Indians are accused? It’s my understanding that facing a domestic violence charge is the only time a white person may be in the dock in a tribal court.

[@jefflewis4]

@@aycc-nbh7289 Tribal Courts have jurisdiction in civil matters with non-Indians. They do not in most criminal matters. But until McGirt Oklahoma claimed domain over Creek Territory claiming the Tribes domain over the lands had been de-established due to several Gov't activities in the past ( land re-allotment, broken treaties etc). This SC ruling potentially affects the States regulatory authority over Indian land. As the guy noted in 8:48 the Tribes were powerless to get the oil company to clean up the oil spill. They had to rely on the State who did nothing. That could change in the near future. Its only a matter of time before a civil case comes up challenging the States regulatory authority over Indian Territory, and they most surely will point to McGirt as precedent.

[@teovu5557]

The natives deserve their sovereignty. Let them be and oil isnt going to be worth much in the future anyways

[@4362mont]

You say that as if there will be no need ever again for petroleum products other than fuels. Heh.

[@frankiefurt]

"it won't be worth much so give it to the natives" you sound like a complete jackass right now.

[@eathecommie]

If a group can't defend their land, praytell how is it still their land?

[@poindextertunes]

@@eathecommiewhy do you keep typing this? its a completely clueless and terrible take that makes no sense at all 😂

[@subsamadhi]

​@@eathecommie😂😂 go back to your trailer park

[@progressivestuckinidaho4779]

My best friend's brother in law, who was a part of the Chickasaw nation, was sent to prison, for a year, & labelled a terrorist, by the government, because he & his brothers, took shovels to dig up the pipeline.

[@JohnB-nq4js]

And what's the problem?

[@actionjackson180]

Great victory for the indigenous people.Their struggle in American history is often overlooked compared to the struggle facing other minorirties .

[@Ahahahhaaah]

@@actionjackson180 victory? The casino owners on native land don’t even help their “indigenous”, you’re a clown 🤡

[@CimarronaMotions]

great victory for the casinos and tribal governments, and the people who by convenience are born under some indian blood they are given social welfare, leeching off the working man

[@franciscoacevedo3036]

😂😂😂"rise all boats" coming from a Republicans sounds pretty socialist.... F outta here with your invred crap as if I believed you

[@kommisar.]

What struggle? Last I checked tons of my taxes were spent on minorities.

[@actionjackson180]

@@kommisar. Educate yourself about American history.

[@snorkey2462]

“You’re robbing us of the land our ancestors have murdered and stole from your people” - Oklahoma

[@007kingifrit]

and you think the indians didn't murder and steal for it?

[@jackburton2680]

@@007kingifrit Talk about completely missing the point. Did you even watch the video, do you understand what the issue actually is?

[@Bread-nx9fo]

@@007kingifrit your whataboutism doesnt hide your racism pal.

[@yomamabinfartin.]

​@@jackburton2680 he didnt miss anything, u did

[@kurochi89]

Its called "War". You think ANY nation got to this point by playing fair or peaceful agreements? Pull on that string long enough and you'll see that EVERYONE is the villain at some point in time.

[@seth.travels.places]

A small win for native citizens but what an awesome outcome. What a big difference it makes.

[@chrisscott6727]

Should we give Chicago back to the Potawatomi is such a strawman argument lmao. There are no Potawatomi in Chicago, yet there are thousands and thousands of Indians in eastern Oklahoma, who are organized, give it back.

[@roccoz2231]

But the overarching question remains: Where do we draw the line?

[@GearZNet]

@@roccoz2231 the line has already been drawn. The treaties were made and the government turned a blind eye as they were broken. We're now in a relatively more peaceful era and the natives are within their right to wage lawfare against their assailants who violated their right to sovereignty. The line is drawn where they should have always been according to the agreements that were made over a century ago. If that means other native tribes will be able to swallow up large swaths of land that they legally should have always owned according to treaties signed and agreed to by the US government... well then that's exactly what it means.

[@kagenlim5271]

​@@GearZNetthats sucha non answer

[@GearZNet]

@@kagenlim5271 ill simplify it just for you pumpkin... It's time for America to per her dues. The nation wrote the check, it must now relinquish the funds.

[@elainegoad9777]

My great great uncle, James Ledonia Goad, married a Cherokee / Chickasaw woman, Eliza Mae Leader and they moved from Hopkins Texas to Indian Territory latter half 1800's (Oklahoma not a state yet). Eliza and 8 children were given land allotments and it is recorded on the Dawe's Miitary List. It's their land. US Government/Andrew Jackson stole the Cherokee Lands in NC, GA etc... and marched them on the Trail of Tears and almost 5,000 Cherokee died along the way. This also includes the 4 other tribes marched separately to Indian Territory ! It's their land !

[@kishoredevrana8371]

Hats off for the Native Indians of America.

[@JohnJourdan88]

You mean Mohawk

[@NiffStipples.0.0]

Indian's wear turbans (.)(.)

[@Arbormurr]

“Indian” is an incorrect word.

[@NiffStipples.0.0]

Indians do the best curries (.)(.)

[@emmanuelmacharia3589]

Hats off for the original Americans.

[@slk1451]

We don’t need a governor. Let the tribes be in charge. The tribes have done more for the citizens of OK than Stitt has.

[@aycc-nbh7289]

But what if tribal leadership disagrees with its members?

[@slk1451]

Then you hold council and find a middle ground.

[@jackburton2680]

Stitt is part of the tribe. He's a member of the Cherokee nation. The tribe essentially IS in charge, they have reached all levels of gov't. They have the power to influence how the state is run, how it's legislated. They have significant voting power as well to put in office those who would back their desires and ideals.

[@franciscoacevedo3036]

​@@slk1451😂😂the inzest is strong with Gov Stitt

[@xandermichael836]

Lol, you have been lied to. Abuse of all kinds, are significantly higher in all reservations. The tribes fail to govern themselves.

[@HaveAGreatDay54]

Let's be clear, energy owns Oklahoma. Every aspect of Oklahoma is governed by its energy companies. Every influential politician has been placed there by energy companies and its people have been indoctrinated to fight for these companies even though the majority of its people are poor and directly affected by energy policies. Oklahoma is an oligarchy first. There is little to no democracy here.

[@JuanWayTrips]

11:10: "Do you really want to give all the land back to Native Americans?" Please stop threatening me with a good time.

[@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave]

it is not their land, if we just give land back because the natives were there first then why don't we just give Germany all its former lands back? They lost the war, they lose land. its literally that simple.

[@Mckcjcj]

@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwavethat’s not what their woke American history teachers told them to believe

[@MayOdinGuideYou]

May I also remind you of the fact that our Native American population in our motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions. Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION! A shockingly sad truth. 😔 In my humble opinion, it's about time to decolonize the Colonized lands, and return to rightful owners Native American people. Notorious global cardinal crimes the Christian West has committed, and benefited a great deal, such as Slavery & Colonialism had long been over, why on earth is notorious Colonization still lingering on, may I ask? 🤷

[@luke9569]

@@MayOdinGuideYou There is only 5 million true native americans in the us. Might wanna get your number correct before commenting.

[@Carini76]

@@MayOdinGuideYou Please correct me if anyone has up-to-date facts or evidence… There's evidence of civilizations living in the Americas from ~30,000 years ago. There were as many as ~2000 language spoken here and a population of approximately 50 million when Europeans arrived.

[@zhouy75]

Tulsa is basically the capital of indigenous Americans in the USA.

[@Crazyhorseproductions]

There's very very few natives in Tulsa

[@slk1451]

Yeah we don’t like cities.

[@Pheckphul1]

What makes Tulsa the capitol of the first settlers of America?

[@WNC1901]

@@Crazyhorseproductionscompletely untrue

[@DebbieDebbie-m7b]

Lot.of.blue eyed Idendigous in tulsa, okmulgee, Henryetta muskogee....My peps are indigenous...we can't get a damn thing from the nation. .. Any nation!

[@avrrojas84]

100% Support of Native Tribes to be given the respect and resources it deserves. They were slaughtered and denied their ancestral homeland. Return the land to the people that it belongs to. The United States government has violated international law, international sovereignty. Those deeds and documents that show they purchased that land are null-in-void because they were illegally purchased to begin with.

[@JohnB-nq4js]

Yeah, they were conquered. That's how it works - their land became someone else's land. Read a fucking book sometime

[@JohnJourdan88]

So when are you going back to the old world?

[@Idkwhyyouresostupid]

Russian bots are trying to destabilize the US with posts like this.

[@redsalt00]

We are glad you guys are back on track on real documentation. kudos

[@rodney8763]

I'd truly enjoy either watching more of this fantastic journalism or read the journalists reporting. This would be an incredible 'read' from the get to! Thank you for your incredible research and open mindedness.

[@Tsalagi]

My Cherokee grandfather was tricked into selling our land in Rogers county, it wasn't supposed to be sold

[@auntieanne-wr9oh]

This land is not your land. This Land is Not Your Land. This Land Is Not Your Land. THIS LAND IS NOT YOUR LAND.

[@thykingdomcome7238]

You got that right.

[@Stunkos]

On all levels except physical, this land is your land.

[@kamranqureshi1884]

Who won ????

[@anshumansarkar3206]

​@@kamranqureshi1884red Indian

[@ltx383]

Well why not take it?

[@HollerHoppin]

The way the colonizers descendants talk about land that they never had a rightful claim to is sickening. “Where do we draw the line”… How about erode all the lines European settlers drew and now defend as if they have a blood right. Sovereignty for Natives and the descendants of slaves brought to this country to toil for the benefit of the colonizers.

[@hashbrown4781]

Gotta love living in a nation, forced to be "patriotic;" all while we have commited crimes against humanity throughout our entire history and to this day. No plans on stopping either.

[@bm6110]

So has every country since the dawn of time get over yourself

[@hashbrown4781]

@@bm6110 for sure, let's just keep doing it until the end of time.

[@Sureshots.]

This is a bs comment. Get off your high horse we build this nation.

[@clementineganey5194]

@@bm6110source?

[@hashbrown4781]

@@Sureshots. First off, ain't no one alive building this nation up. We are collectively selling it off for parts. Second, where is any argument except for an unjustified "Nah, you wrong." Think before you throw words out.

[@jonathonlafave3698]

I live out in a reservation. I have 3 kids with a women that is apart of the Potawatomi tribe. I can tell you that the ones in charge out here are about their money and not about their people. They have them so disconnected from God... Dancing on "fake grass" for contest. I know that those songs and dances are supposed to be for God. Being in thanks for what God provides. You provide God with a song and dance. I've been to many PowWows. I see the truth. "God's discernment". You need it... We are handing everything over to "the enemy". We have been tricked... We allowed this to happen. "The world won't be destroyed by the evil that's in it, it'll be by the people that don't stand up to it". I can also tell you, the cops out here are definitely Tyrants. OPPRESSIVE RULERS. Also, the judge, the system. THEY TOOK MY BABY'S FROM ME. STOLE THEM. Them judges are far from what is righteous and the truth... Judges are sinning in holy places... After i spoke out about the truth. Its been hell for me.. The Courts are supposed to be about the truth and what's righteous. That is a holy place... The Judge is not about who is telling the truth and who's not. He's about his money. No matter what, hell get payed at the end of the day. There's a mess oit in the world and Jesus Christ HAS TO COME. IT'S THAT BAD OUT THERE. What's happened to such beautiful people will have Dyer consequences. Don't worry people. The Inorganics will take accountability And they won't be able to masquerading the light anymore. WOE to those who call good evil and evil good ❗WOE

[@elijahcartwright222]

It’s the least the U.S. could do honestly. It’s not enough but it’s something.

[@sandife4nandes365]

I'm Choctaw and this land belongs to all Native Americans!

[@CultureCrossed64]

Cool. We're all native Americans now. We'd rather do a 2nd trail of tears than let you have a nation within a nation

[@robertamcfarland3459]

​@@CultureCrossed64 I'm ready to send you back to the Caucasian mountains heedless!

[@jackburton2680]

haha most Oklahoma Choctaw are white as can be, blue eyed and blond hair. That tribe has practically completely sacrificed its heritage and cultural identify for numbers, influence, and most importantly, money.

[@izeawalker]

​@CultureCrossed64 stupid comment

[@izeawalker]

You should look into choctaw treaties. There's designated zones

[@user-id9bn1ic9v]

Won’t somebody think of the poor oil barons!!!

[@forest12able]

The tribe is going to end up like Zimbabwe if they are not careful. Do you think the tribe has the technical skills for oil extraction? What investor will want to invest in their community?

[@emsauce75]

​@@forest12ableYou totally missed the point. You should watch the video again and then Scrub your comment.

[@comradeeyebot]

​@@forest12ableHey colonizer, shut up.

[@4362mont]

Aren't you crying just a tear or two for yourself?

[@4362mont]

@@forest12able The answers are yes, and 'are you freaking kidding me? It's oil. Investors will have to be kept in line with police with riot shields.

[@shaikbindawood]

And this is why the colonized see themselves in the Palestinians and colonizers back Israel

[@robertrapaglia2634]

What was said is, we've been here for over a hundred years, I have a deed, I'll sell it for a fair price, MY price! What I heard was, We stole it over a hundred years ago, and now it's legally mine🙄

[@groundedempowerment1178]

Well said! Truly shows the intelligence of people who think they have rights to what isn't even theirs to begin with..

[@4362mont]

So what would you do with him?

[@stoonookw]

Yes!!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@markanquoe2612]

That man should have to seek just compensation like anyone else who bought something in good faith that turned out to be stolen. In this instance, it was the US Government that sold him stolen land and the US Government should compensate him fairly.

[@gredn8413]

the arrogance from him. In all reality his family "bought" it from natives for a shoestring and 3 paperclips while holding a gun to their head and now he dares them to buy it for the millions of dollars its always been worth after he's wrecked it. It's their land. it's always been their land. how about you give back the stolen land AND the money you extracted from the stolen land so all that wealth can be given back to the people who should've rightfully had it in the first place. If he doesn't like that, then he can maybe think about the fact they are giving him a fair deal for buying it at a fair price instead of taking him for all he's worth like his ancestors did.

[@mainstmechanical7932]

This decision has made the lives of many NDN’s worse. There is no mention of all the women who are in abusive relationships who can’t get authorities to show up and help them.

[@mick6247]

YESS! Now Oklahoma is the highest leading in missing people , DV, ect, a major reason for this is because now if a native gets attacked by a non native , the non native can get off Scott free aslong as it was on native land.

[@mainstmechanical7932]

@ that’s true but also works against them greatly in domestic violence. If both involved are native only tribal police can be involved and there isnt enough of them! I knew a woman whose husband was disconnecting electric to her house was also abusive and when she’d call it would take tribal over 4 hours to respond!

[@mick6247]

@@mainstmechanical7932 holy!! They need to get that sorted out cause that’s unacceptable. Woman are getting hurt.

[@mainstmechanical7932]

@@mick6247 even elders who call in for petty crimes are left without help! Some decisions are made with good intent but end up with horrible consequences!

[@kevinhayworth8936]

When there's oil involved it doesn't matter what you are or where you come from, uncle Sam isn't going to let it go.

[@JacobBonbrake]

its so weird seeing my home area on vice thank you for showing this

[@durellparker2213]

You need to do a story on how the muscogee creek nation is not following their own treaty with the creek freedom by denying them citizenship.

[@1littleNDN]

"Just because you're used to it, doesn't make it right" Maddo @FrancesDanger for opening our minds and planting seeds of HOPE! One hokti to another, thank you for raising your voice for all of us.

[@isaacmartinez6904]

Every time I hear Oklahoma, I always think of Killers Of The Flower Moon.

[@krystlea5210]

Thank you David Noriega for this report that dared pose the questions that nobody cares to really answer. Points of improvement I observed are in the quality of questions given such as "do you think the tribes can put you out of business", it is a leading question which also does not tackle the balanced or opposing question of "what does it concretely take to create better working relationships moving forward from McGirt?" , and "what improvements in processes are we looking at, that we are not prone so far to consider?". Maybe this can be informative too within a limited time, by also using interviews with transition management and human development experts, NOT only from the 2 opposing parties of tribes and state reps.

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

Congratulations to the Indigenous people of Oklahoma.

[@JohnJourdan88]

lol what does that even mean?

[@dominicalvarado-v8u]

I’m rooting for you Oaklahoma! Get your land back!!

[@RobertP.Trebor]

I feel like the big difference between the 5 nations in Oklahoma and other territories in the USA is the USA govt specifically gave oklahoma to the tribes

[@favb7931]

I want to send many warm greetings of solidarity and unwavering support from your relatives across the ocean, from Sweden 🇸🇪 ❤✊️

[@kkwatevs]

Wow. What an absolutely fabulous video. Excellent journalism. The parallels between this and the situation in BC Canada is stunning.

[@shannsimms9072]

How are people angry that natives are taking what’s theirs? It would be an adjustment for sure, but unlike the first time it wouldn’t be bloody.

[@mikecohen2400]

The Tribes in Oklahoma should declare their independence from the state, under their full treaty rights, and take full economic, civil, and criminal control of their territories, as a new 51st State.

[@bigmike0518]

Would they still get the EBT and Section 8 housing assistance they’re dependent on?

[@poindextertunes]

@@bigmike0518dont kill ppl and take their land? 🤷‍♂️ idk what to tell you buddy 😂

[@JohnB-nq4js]

Lol yes, the federal government looks fondly upon secession and claims of independence. That will work out well for them.

[@jefferson808]

They cannot be sovereign and a US state at the same time. Pick a lane.

[@jefferson808]

@@bigmike0518not if they emancipate from the federal govt. They would lose all OK state access to social support programs like Medicaid and SNAP. Just another way for the colonists to subjugate the Natives.

[@lfrost6718]

I am so very proud of this moment! Keep up the good fight! So looking forward to seeing First Nation people succeed.

[@jlaws007BD]

I worked in Muskogee for quite some time, and during that time I saw many examples of racism, and maltreatment 🤬 Not only against native Americans, but also the black people there. For example: there would be clubs where I'd go up, and they'd say; Are you a member ?? I'd say: No I'm from Iowa, and they'd ask for my I.D. and then say: That's $1 and I'd sign this ledger, and go right on in. I was the one who ended that (at least for a while), as my black, and red friends (not at the same time), but I didn't realize that kept the undesirables (to them) out 😬 Working the night shift for a while, one night after work, we all went to this club, and they'd not let Willie in. They asked: Are you a member ? He said; No !! Then they said: Oh sorry, you have to be a member. He asked: How do I do that ? They said: Do you have a sponsor, and after some squabbling he was going go leave. I told them: I'm his sponsor ✋ Oh I got the dirty eye, but they let him in. I remember him looking at me like I'd just done some amazing thing, but in my mind it was simply the "right" thing to do. I had some amazing native American friends (that's not what they were called then), and a fairly long relationship with a family of friends sister 🥰 I was invited to this dance, called a 49 down by 3 Forks river and actually made a family member of the Cherokee/Choctaw nation !! I didn't get along with everyone, but that was the case with any nationality, as well as my 🏈 team. Some (in my case fortunately most) love you, some are neutral, and some hate you. Regardless I was 1 of them, and so I saw their treatment close up !! Being forced to go to illegal bars, with dirt floors. Where you could literally see teeth in the sawdust 😬 I mean it's just natural to want to hit the bars on weekends, and dance/drink and live it up !! It was just horrible that my adopted families were driven to places like that. In the 80's, just like I'd read about in the 50's and before was mind boggling to me 😢 I still have my connections with my red brothers/sister's, and families: The Tom's and Chucalates in Muskogee, Taft and other cities in Oklahoma !! Finally a VICTORY after all this time, even though my health won't let me return to celebrate this with them 😊☝️🙏💯

[@mrsquirrelmrsrabbot8430]

Bro won’t even name the “clubs” come on now

[@dragonlotion1789]

So you just gave us an anecdote about “Racism” Here’s mine.: My wife had a black man follow through the turnstile at the DC metro rubbing on her and bumping into her. My wife shot him a dirty look, not satisfied with the free ride he followed her “what?…you got a problem..what?” With a farewell “FU *hink” guess who is the group of ppl that harasses Asians the most here? I’m not going sit here and say all of DC is “Racist” or even this clown, because most of the time we say things to hurt people in the moment. Projecting means the issue is in our selves not a Race Sex or Ethnicity.

[@GhostRighter-e9y]

Citation Needed: I'm from Muskogee and would like to know of these 'clubs" of which you speak. I think you made that up. And the "racism" you attest to is completely the other way around where blacks run amuck in classrooms & malls. Crime statistics back my claims. Arrowhead Mall was closed due to a broad daylight murder that took place there. Both victim and perps were black. Same thing happened across the street from my former house. People stopped going to Arrowhead Mall because gang-bangers have made it unsafe for children. And when I say gang-bangers do you think I'm talking about whites? The blacks were going around to whites saying, "Gimme a dollah" and they expect you to give it to them. They stop and talk to each other in their cars in the middle of roadways blocking traffic and not giving crap about it. I am truly sick of progressive troublemakers like you coming here and painting a false picture and narrative. Please, never come back to visit.

[@laikanbarth]

You just made this whole thing about you and made yourself the hero 😂 😂. Talk about narcissistic.

[@GhostRighter-e9y]

You are a virtue-signaling liar. List these "racist" clubs of which you speak. I'm form Muskogee. living there for over 50 years and everything you stated is a lie. Show ANY proof, if you have it.

[@satelitemikedatapro2498]

I’m sorry 5 tribes, there’s no way America will ever attempt to right any historical wrongs or give the natives compensation in any meaningful form

[@Heavilymoderated]

The tribes can’t do any worse than the state and federal governments have done. Just give them what they’re owed.

[@robertamcfarland3459]

Give my black people what y'all us!

[@xandermichael836]

Lol I can tell most of you commenting. I have no clue how bad it actually is. The case they are mentioning was from a child abuser.

[@Larrabjl]

Having my people in charge of half a state is going to be a disaster. The corruption in the tribes ridiculous. Good luck Oklahoma.

[@tw8464]

It's hard to believe they could possibly be more corrupt than the "trickle down" crime syndicate controlling so many states... including mine 😢 one of the bottom-most dirt poor states with the resource curse and a billionaire governor and sectarian fundamentalist extremists grifting class controlled legislature corrupt beyond all get out

[@bccsivxx-xxivvii]

11:22 there's a big difference in returning Manhattan and land on Oklahoma they already live on.

[@Carini76]

Why? Because it’s inconvenient?

[@jimparsons9454]

Damn right! The U.S. Government should honor their agreements and treaties.

[@ikebeckman1074]

Homie literally said cases were going “unprostituted” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@claytonbennett7797]

As an American citizen, I support the sovereign rights of the tribes now in "Oklahoma".

[@TheMrcookieninja]

A 200-year slave owner had documents saying that they owned the slaves that doesn't make it right.

[@xSavedSoulx]

Who

[@elliottprats1910]

@@xSavedSoulx Mike Jones, who, Mike Jones

[@TimJones-yo3nu]

FYI the "natives" took the land from someone else. Thats how its always gone through out history. Someone takes the land from someone else. Get over it.

[@Plucktocks]

Wrong

[@Solaris_Paradox]

We natives were here first before these unwashed settlers crawled out the leaky wooden boat.

[@mick6247]

Bro as someone who’s actually native what planet are you on, this has to be a bot cause no tribes had their own land we just migrated during the seasons , like there’s the plains tribes northern tribes southern tribes western. Did you fail history or smth ??💀💀

[@ruger8412]

10:50 this dude is the problem not the solution.

[@hensen5309]

Oklahoman, born and raised. Thanks for the exposure

[@asierra3506]

There are many more that got off due to McGirt, we had an employee convicted of embezzling tens of thousands of dollars that got his conviction thrown out due to McGirt. It's a much larger problem than this article portrays.

[@aycc-nbh7289]

Except the issue is reporting it may lead to people using it as a vehicle to push the image of indigenous Americans as savage subhumans and promoting even greater falsehoods.

[@waddellwaddellbsc516]

the fact that the tribes have less say then others is mind boggling

[@robertloredo5930]

Feel for the natives, they lived where they lived for a reason. They shouldn’t have been forced to move period.

[@millennialsecularandauthri3338]

They can go to Siberia

[@robertloredo5930]

What’s in Siberia?

[@millennialsecularandauthri3338]

@@robertloredo5930 their homeland

[@Nesut-king]

​@@millennialsecularandauthri3338well, Europeans can also go back, who is gonna take the land? Egyptians or japaneses?

[@millennialsecularandauthri3338]

@@Nesut-king we conquered it and trying to deport us would be a bloodbath (for those who tried)

[@NormanTisiga-Bradford]

Story of all Aboriginal history

[@joemorris7357]

I live in Oklahoma, I love this state, but I can't prove I am native. So I am a second class citizen now. Trust me folks; our tax dollars have made these ppl rich many times over. So use those riches to help us ALL!!

[@jackburton2680]

What an absurd, illogical, whiny thing to say

[@HKim0072]

Kinda ironic. We threw the Native Americans on lands we thought were terrible and had no value.

[@mick6247]

And now they want back the land , they forced us to have 😭😭

[@JustFoodRevew]

They better clean that up im sick of living in a dying world😢

[@kirkslayden834]

Absolutely unbelievable and disgusting shame on our government just beyond egregious

[@hUliliE9]

Eo! From a native Hawaiian, living in Yurok/Wiyot country, northern CA

[@starship_01]

They are NOT Indians. India is where Indus River flows. Americans live in America, Indians live in India, not America. By not calling them Native American, or their right tribe names, colonial powers take away their right and attachment from the land. The Native American tribes are homeless in their own country, while illegal immigrants from Europe take their land and make them destitute.

[@graverobberies]

Boohoo 😢😢😢

[@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave]

it is not their land, if we just give land back because the natives were there first then why don't we just give Germany all its former lands back? They lost the war, they lose land. its literally that simple.

[@doct0rnic]

​@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwaveyou should go back to Europe and try

[@swagistan69420]

I agree! And illegal immigrants from Mexico, Guatemala, Venezuela also take Native American land! They need to be deported!

[@briancornish5857]

ALL Land Belongs to the ONE who Created it. This Spiritual OWNERSHIP and the Jurisdictions are in HIS determination NOT ANY PEOPLE or Cultures.. They ALL must submit to HIS PLANS.. What People on Earth (Europeans or NATIVE’S) Can Over Rule THE GREAT FATHER of ALL..TELL ME.

[@mrcooki3monster928]

As a Navajo yes!! More power to them!! Let me learned how they did that to us lol 😆

[@mrcooki3monster928]

Plus us native people must learn about money and investments! Seriously we need to compete with our neighbors. We need to take back our country and sovereignty we need a Native American president.

[@firstlast8258]

​@@mrcooki3monster928elizabeth Warren

[@mrcooki3monster928]

@@firstlast8258 what? That just not cool dude. Your lucky the us constitution was inspired by native Americans principles and values

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

Praying for the best possible outcome 🙏❤️ for all

[@WornoutSquash]

Happy National Petroleum Day! There can be coexistence, give the NDNs their sovereignty and ensure they’re treated fairly while gathering the resources below their land. Oil isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. They might as well cash in with the good oil producers while they can

[@taylorcook3216]

Great piece, wasn’t aware of the current situation until now

[@googleuser2426]

Its always about money. Always.

[@cactusjess]

The same thing happened to the Mexican population after the signing of the treaty of Hidalgo with Mexico. One of the stipulations of the treaty was that the Mexicans residing in land won by the US were to become American citizens and keep their land. We all know how that worked.

[@kaymitchell6143]

As the descendant of the people who were enslaved to build Chicago downtown and NY city, I definitely want you to give them back to the Natives. Their values and their way of living mirrors a lot of the ways my ancestors lived and it would be better for all of us. Hell global warming wouldn’t be anywhere near where we are now if we allowed them to control the land. Also, how can the descendant of people who stole my people from their continent fix their mouth to talk about maintaining law and order? Your country was built on allowing the criminals you favor to create irreparable harm in the name of a “free market.” So please same this moral high road BS. Keep up the good fight my sisters and bothers from another mother. We see y’all and we love y’all. ✊🏾🫶🏾

[@luke9569]

people who were enslaved to build Chicago downtown and NY city. That simply didn't exist lmfao what in the actual hell are you lying about.

[@aycc-nbh7289]

So where are we going to send these millions of people? Those in the American heartland who would inevitably be tasked with housing and employing these urbanites would also be accused of stealing land, just as the Okies were treated as second-class citizens in places like California.

[@kaymitchell6143]

@@aycc-nbh7289 Did you watch the video? Nobody is losing their housing the Natives would just be the governing body sweetie.

[@kaymitchell6143]

@@luke9569 Lmboo I would suggest googling before you say I’m making up stuff. Chicago was founded by and Haitian man (aka former French colony that used labor from enslaved folks) and if you google NYC was literally built by enslaved folks. So go educate yourself before commenting to dispute literal facts. It casts you in a poor light.

[@aycc-nbh7289]

@@kaymitchell6143I have watched the video. Just because it is the current sentiment today does not mean it will be tomorrow. Also, the 14th Amendment spells out that no U.S. citizen should be seen as better than any other.

[@sfca1849]

Thank you / excellent video!

[@themasstermwahahahah]

For the line to stop at, i think a pretty good one is the one both sides signed a treaty to

[@Habib_Osman]

The treaties are just to keep their mouths shut. If you think the federal state of the USA is ever going to give up their sovereign right to rule over these lands I've got a seaside property to sell you in Oklahoma.

[@isaiahmontoya3665]

Vice should practice more professional journalism, and call out the Governor of Oklahoma for spewing propaganda. Credit them for the fact that only 33 prosecuted individuals have been released

[@jonathanwarner4720]

All land should be owned collectively. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Hoarding causes inequality. Why would we want that?

[@xandermichael836]

Vice, you should say WHY the case went through. He was a child abuser, and the tribal police fail to properly police their communities.

[@ryanm4319]

Met some of the nicest people I’ve ever met in Oklahoma. The Oklahoma Standard is real.

[@tusk242]

Interesting. Glad to hear the 5 tribes will have a better case to claims. I am part Cherokee NC. Eastern Band. Little do I know of my 1/2 of the culture, because both sides try to denounce I am considered Cherokee. I live a life of somewhat rejected since I can recall. Taught to Stay out of the sun, so I do not get too dark. Relatives, did not like to see me red skinned. I was an INSULT to the Family TREE. Many Indian TRIBES, and can not blame them, do not really like Whites, claiming to be 1/2 . My strength, perhaps why I was born INFJ. Age 76 now.

[@errinwillis6002]

America has a lot of acknowledging and apolozing to do before any real reconciliation can occur.

[@Azrenthe1stHighKing]

If the Resource/Any Resource is on Native American Land it Belongs to the Native Americans.

[@Azrenthe1stHighKing]

And None Native Americans should not be allowed to Live on Reservations. That Land was "Set Aside" for the Native Americans.

[@manwelmcclendon258]

You can't be divisive that land is for americans

[@4362mont]

@@Azrenthe1stHighKing So, the folks whose land it is can't decide to lease it? How paternalistic.

[@4362mont]

@@manwelmcclendon258 Never try to tell someone not to be divisive. It just makes 'em try harder.

[@Azrenthe1stHighKing]

@@4362mont If the Native Americans decide you can Live in their Land/Territory than it is Okay. However None Native Americans should not be under the Delusion that they are Entitled to the Land.

[@jameswilliams3270]

Thank you Mr. Noriega for an excellent report on this complex scenario. And I suspect you have only exposed the top of an iceberg.

[@MCH555]

🪶🪶🪶 🔴🟡⚫⚪ NDN woman here - Oklahoman. I wish Vice had explain that Governor Stitt is a citizen of the Cherokee Nation which means he is against his own tribal sovereignty. That's a huge part of this. Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Chuck Hoskin, said that it is the most anti-indian Governor we've ever had. I bet he was ashamed and didn't wanted it to be known that Governor Stitt is a Cherokee citizen and I find it ironic. Stitt is what we call an apple. Red (NDN in name on paper) on the outside white on the inside. And it's also rumored that his family paid to get on the dawes rolls in the first place. Also YES WE WANT LAND BACK!!!!! LULULULULU! ✊🏾

[@jackburton2680]

Bet if you broke down the voting demographics, a majority of native american tribal members voted for him. The majority of all these OKlahoma tribes, the so called "5 civilized tribes" in general....have long assimilated and are overwhelmingly fairly die hard conservative/republican leaning. The tribes have themselves to blame for much of what is going on politically/legistlativally in their state. they voted these people in. They chose not to better protect their interests.

[@Arccanos]

I love that I live in a country where people are free to do this kind of thing. The entire world is founded on the graves of someone else's ancestors, but only a few places in the world can you even talk about it.

[@PrabhatKumar-fn4vy]

Proud to be Indian , it's Indian territory , I am coming from India.

[@bugoiclaudiu1233]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jpmeyer09]

The land of 711s

[@necroticdamage]

If you come around here with pretty flowers to sow You might stop and notice nobody's very old Grass grows so high, it covers up the graves But listen for a while and it might start giving names

[@Johnsmith99663]

Considering that the history of this continent (at least for the past 500 years) is one of indigenous inhabitants being pushed aside so the earth could be plundered, the Natives are probably going to lose this fight as well. Wealth and gain push aside all other values and considerations. The oil companies will come in, take the oil, and apologize later.

[@Jesussaves2665]

Well it was illegal when you built a house on Indian land, get out, you've been squatting on Indian land get off 😡