The Flash - A Hot Mess

The Flash, starring Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck, was slated to be the biggest DC movie of the year. Now its shaping up to be the biggest flop.
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[@Agooo13431]

Henry Cavill: An actor passionate about his craft, loves the fans and respects the source material Hollywood: you're out Ezra Miller: an actor with severe mental issues who assaults random people Hollywood: 😍

[@joseanibalsantacruzamanzo2202]

stop shilling cavill ffs

[@MrMittens1974]

Some exec probably still has his fly unzipped.

[@Knightfall182]

Eh. I would have fired Cavill as well, after his Wooden performances weren't well received by general audiences. There was zero mainstream buzz for his *return* in Black Adam... audiences just don't care for that version. Reboot is needed.

[@joeberger3441]

​@@Knightfall182 he was written poorly..not his fault

[@valentinamasei7777]

​@@Knightfall182Henry wooden? Lol, who the hell is hyped for any hero nowadays anyway?

[@XeniaChow]

Loved when Ezra said “it’s flashing time” and flashed all the kids he kidnapped

[@evermoore66665]

He’s a Burberry man.

[@jackall-trades6149]

Go go, Power Privilege!

[@farmerwithshotgun1293]

💀

[@andresdanielem]

It's baffling to me how you always put the most braindead comments yet you get the most likes lol. On another note, yeah that was the best moment of the movie...

[@dark_magician_sdy]

Hes got that Hollywood privilege

[@leandroferraz3776]

"The worst aspect of the Flash movie is the Flash himself specifically Ezra Miller's take on the Flash"! *Perfectly said!*

[@retardno002]

More like perfectly biased due to actor-related personal issues, he did a great job in the film if you don't care about celebrity news media.

[@CARPETMAN-zj9iv]

Is it just me or did he have this stupid look on his face through the whole movie. I just tried to watch it because it was free today on Amazon. I was cooking my lunch while I started the movie and couldn't make it through 15 minutes. Bad acting, the weird look. From what I did see I actually really really liked the TV series immensely better.

[@tompeters5903]

Absolutely agree about the multiverse plotline. Its become a lazy way for writers to write out of any corner or just introduce more plot with a hand wave.

[@whysoserious4274]

Been saying it a while Standalone movies have always been better than this multiverse stuff.

[@mottom2657]

@@whysoserious4274 Putting the blame on the wrong place. Multiverses have existed in comics. Multiversal stories aren't inherently bad, but the executions can indeed be bad. People fear that in the name of Multiverse stories, there will be pretty bad films.

[@shanechannel7066]

It wasn't always like that. It's only been in recent years that time travel and multiverse plotlines has become an excuse for lazy writers to cut corners and not explain their work. Avengers endgame was just a bunch of nonsense. Would've been more entertaining had they found a magic lamp.

[@adamd9166]

At first, it was kind of neat. But yeah, as time goes on, you see it is becoming the go-to plot device for everything.

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

I never liked the concept of a multiverse for 3 reasons: 1. It makes things way too confusing. 2. It expands the scope of the setting so much that the stuff we can focus on seems insignificant. 3. The existence of alternate Earths and alternate versions of yourself makes your actions and choices seem insignificant.

[@Hi-cm1cj]

Bad CGI is something that the Flash can never outrun.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

It was me Barry, I was the one who ruined your CGI and reputation

[@maxpayne69.]

As similar to DC movies (& many other franchises) unable to outrun studio interference.

[@willmorrell488]

His CGI was great in Zack Snyder's Justice League.

[@tonyf5869]

To be fair I don't think any CGI artist or actor is capable of making the Flash running look cool.

[@12SickOne34]

What a silly joke And I laughed. Thanks

[@soar123]

I was definitely taken aback by the fact that they couldn't find a way to use one flash villain in a flash movie

[@dgillies5420]

A lot of the flash villains make the Batman villains look realistic! Or they are extremely dull - like Grog, Sharkman or whatnot, the only really good ones are speedster-based like zoom / reverse flash WHO WAS IN THIS MOVIE they just somehow failed to tell us who murdered Barry Allen's mom, somehow ...

[@jjc5407]

@@dgillies5420 in the TV show almost every major villain is just another speedster! The multiverse is apparently littered with them, not to mention the various members of the Allen family and others. There's really nothing that special about Barry!

[@soar123]

@@dgillies5420 You clearly no nothing about the Flash and Flash lore

[@soar123]

@@jjc5407 You clearly know nothing about the flash. Like what are you talking about??

[@BOBXFILES2374a]

Good point. What about Reverse-Flash, or Flash in Yellow?

[@sarahmatthews5878]

Michael Keaton batmobile and the Ship totally took me back to my little self. Totally loved the bat fighting scenes.

[@khalilcrenshaw3678]

Me too, I’m gonna rewatch it on digital to replay his fight scenes 😂😂💪

[@redhero3757]

Me too

[@RickMyBalls]

ship?

[@davidthompson5710]

Seeing the original Keaton batman stuff was the only neat part in the movie.

[@marrier9999]

The sad part is that this an adaptation of the "Flashpoint" comic story that's actually REALLY good. Barry tries to go back in time to save his mother only to find out the world gets screwed up beyond all reckoning and that she HAS to stay dead for the good of everyone. Knowing he has the power to change time itself, but can't use it to save his mom is a cross he has to bear, and it has a deep impact.

[@st4ne4rmthevill63]

No it wasn't. They should have just copy pasted the animated film bcz this was dumb.

[@marrier9999]

@@st4ne4rmthevill63 I'm saying the original comic story was good. The movie is a sack of horseshit.

[@suparibhau]

you just described what happens in the movie...

[@marrier9999]

@@suparibhau The difference is the movie has 2 versions of an actor (Ezra Miller) we can barely tolerate ONE of and a villain that means absolutely nothing to the Flash as a character. This movie plays like Ezra Miller is a kid hopped up on sugar and caffeine, trying to beat a video game that keeps looping because the final boss has god mode enabled. The original Flashpoint features an enemy that has great relevance to Barry Allen, Zoom, and the character arc for Barry is fantastic. The movie is a poorly adapted mess of excessive CGI effects that, for me at least, is a pale imitation of the original Flashpoint comic miniseries.

[@suparibhau]

@@marrier9999 yeah, it seems better.

[@Rouge31]

The most unbelievably frustrating thing about this movie is that at no point does Barry think of catching his mother's actual killer. I thought he would. It seemed like a pretty obvious thing to try.

[@ARC117Studios]

But...why? Why catch the fucking killer when you can stop the killing from happening altogether? Even if he did catch the killer after the fact, how does he prove it was them?

[@Lifeof728]

It would have been better if she got home with the can of tomatoes only to find out the Dad actually did it 😂

[@Fridaey13txhOktober]

"My motives are beyond your understanding..."

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

I haven't read DC comics since after "52" but even I'm old enough to remember Barry Allen worked for the Central City Crime Lab. You'd think that'd be what he would use his skills for in the PRESENT. This is another reason why I hate the Ezra Miller Flash, he's less Barry Allen and more of a Joss Whedon attempt at Wally West.

[@ravissary79]

​@@_GeneralMechanics_he's actually doing that in this movie.

[@GalaxyOfBoltz]

I liked Ben Affleck and Keaton in this movie, but Ezra is a bit insufferable at times. The fact we couldn’t even get a proper goodbye to Cavill was heartbreaking. He literally started the dceu……

[@liamphibia]

Henry Cavill's Superman could have been a MASSIVE star in the DCEU. But due to WB'S jealousy envy and incompetence, they completely screwed a talented actor.

[@Gundam4]

​@@liamphibiahow very true

[@theinnerlight8016]

Man of steel still is a shitty movie though😂

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

The sad fact is that Henry is a nerd that loves comic books and games, He was perfect for Superman such a shame he was wasted

[@valentinamasei7777]

​@@theinnerlight8016I liked it, it could have been better, but it's DC lol.. Henry rocks as Superman

[@coldstone3327]

The interesting part about this whole concept, is the fact the animated version flashpoint paradox... Just completely outstanding. all DC needed to take that animated movie and turn it into live action. Script was unbelievably solid following the comic book and the take on Thomas Wayne was dark but brilliant. Everyone wanted to see zoom and that was also not in this terrible version. I highly recommend watching "flashpoint paradox" animated just observe how easy this movie would have been if they just delivered that to live action.

[@ibethuggin247]

I been saying this for fucking yrs that scene with Barry and Bruce at the end of that movie was probably the most heart felt Dc moment ever put on film it still tears my big baby eyes up till this day and I’m a grown ass man it’s just great writing

[@veemon9280]

Yep, and they wouldn't even have had to recast Michael Keaton, all they had to do was call him "Thomas Wayne" instead. They could have still kept Sasha Calle as Supergirl, her storyline is basically the same as in the cartoon anyways.

[@coldstone3327]

@@veemon9280 Jeffrey dean morgan was suppose to be Thomas Wayne but they changed that.

[@indiajohnson]

This shows me that ultimately, Marvel & DC stories work better as animated movies than live action films.

[@kebokev7519]

All superhero movies should only be animated from this point on. No more live action.

[@DarthPerkins]

I saw it and for some reason the only thing I could think after was "So that kid he saved during the Zod invasion...he just lets him die now?".

[@raynmanshorts9275]

"What if we took Flashpoint, the best 'reboot' storyline that actually tells an intriguing story with a dozen bittersweet moments and an ending that manages to be both heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time, and made it into an awful mess?" "I love it. Can we get the absolute worst person in Hollywood to play Flash?" "You mean Ezra Miller? Consider it done!"

[@Noperare]

The story about Bruce Wayne dying in the assault and his parents coping in different ways was amazing and tragic. His father became Batman with guns and his mom went crazy from grief and became the Joker.

[@cabnbeeschurgr6440]

Honestly Ezra's a piece of shit but there are much worse people in Hollywood. I'd say the people who were all friendly with Epstein and the like are probably worse. It's just a matter of exposing them.

[@rKhael53]

I still don't know why they write garbage scripts instead of just adapting faithfully a script already proven to be great.

[@osmanyousif7849]

It was me Barry. I made Hollywood nuke your entire story so it’ll seem like you were always like this the entire time!

[@sayahhx8300]

This was really flash point tho. I would have loved that

[@XeniaChow]

Its amazing they keep someone like Ezra Miller who has caused so much trouble and has multiple run-ins with the law yet doesn't want someone like Henry Cavil who just wants to do justice for his character and stay true to the source material.

[@frontiergibberish]

They probably had too much footage with Ezra already to start over.

[@gruby970]

dumping his ass would be antisemantic, you know

[@thedragon133]

Two words. Correct ideology.

[@chaostourist2951]

Ezra grooms children, so he's one of the club in hollywood

[@richardjared960]

One of them is “non binary” that’s why

[@Elzzaw]

Man, Barry's mother really must have had an insanely profound affect on the entire world.

[@RickMyBalls]

even affecting kryptionian events

[@dagg497]

Maybe his mom slept with all the right people?? 😅😅

[@nathanklug3023]

This movie could’ve been better for sure, but it was fun and mostly enjoyable. The story arc involving grief, acceptance of pain and growth from it, as well as the inevitable self destruction that can come from not accepting reality was well told here.

[@elearningcreative]

I liked it as well. This movie was fun fast paced and not as bad as some reviewers judge it.

[@2WheelsAs1]

Agreed. Its not as terrible as everyone says. I didn't see any giant flaws in the movie, yeah maybe something could have been better but it was fun to watch. Trust me I've walked out of really bad movies before, or at least fallen asleep, but I did neither for this one.

[@SonOfTheChinChin]

except the cgi and throwaway characters, the story is quite good. there was no politics, it's just about character's growth. kinda refreshing

[@9292098]

All DC had to do was adopt the script of the animated movie "Flashpoint Paradox" into live-action. It's that simple. The story-telling in the animated movie is already solid. Introducing Reverse Flash as the antagonist would also be a much better option than Zod, it's a Flash movie, not a Superman movie. They could've even casted Keaton as Thomas Wayne and not worry about that Keaton is perhaps on the older side, to say the least, to play Bruce Wayne. And the letter from Thomas to Bruce at the end of the movie? It's enough to make grown--ups cry! Seriously DC/ WB need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

[@ocheonuh6788]

I agree. I enjoyed it too. But I'm not surprised it flopped. The flaws in the movie were a bit too obvious. Although, somehow, they weren't enough to stop me enjoying the movie, it's saying something when you like a movie enough, but are not only NOT surprised that it flops, but you don't mind that it did, at all. Perhaps that has something to do with the actor Ezra.

[@Thenewbycomicboy]

To be honest Ezra Miller seems like the kind of person who would put a baby in a microwave.

[@Unclesteve16]

Best description of Ezra miller ever!! 😂

[@benmillan8005]

To be honest I laughed my ass off when he put the baby in the microwave. When it started raining babies, I expected some type of gag, and it was delivered LOL

[@filhanislamictv8712]

I see was not one worried about that

[@jbb8261]

I literally said that during that scene 😅

[@walidhmd]

AYOOOO LOL

[@BTM8109]

Ironically enough, Flashing isn't one of the crimes Ezra is accused of

[@Feanor1988bis]

Yet.

[@jamessweet5341]

Heaven has left us with small mercies. In his case, small indeed.

[@sergf3624]

hahahah so funny did you come up with that totally original joke byyourself big man?

[@1000000man1]

Just child grooming, brainwashing, assault, burglary, kidnap, violent threats, giving drugs to kids.

[@BTM8109]

@@sergf3624 hey Ezra

[@hansbansor5170]

I actually found Ezra okay in this because the 'original' Barry was a bit more reserved and less obnoxious than his young self. So they had a good dynamic going on there imho. Pretty smart choice.

[@lesliematyas1921]

the entire storyline is so utterly stupid ...how can i get a job doing this .

[@Dats_Mark]

The weird thing is this is actually the 3rd time they made Zod the Villian since technically in BvS Doomsday was just a resurrected mutated Zod

[@Kubinai]

it's kinda accurate, doomsday was a kryptonian

[@beatsbyelvis6890]

@@Kubinaithat’s like saying having calander man in place of lex luthor is kind of accurate because they’re both human

[@lazerbeamhawkins]

And the 4th time as a main villain in a total of 8 movies with Superman in them.

[@Kubinai]

@@beatsbyelvis6890 beats me to it, but at least it still made sense, although the comic origin is way better, doomsday was just got out of a hole and start rampaging, so mysterious and bad 455

[@Dats_Mark]

@@Kubinai In his original comicbook appearance his origin was a mystery but then over the following years they filled in his origin making him originally kryptonian that a rogue scientist sent into harsh environments to be killed and then cloned over and over again manipulating an extremely rapid evolution until it had the ability to regenerate with a resistance to what defeated him. Basically making it nearly impossible to beat him the same way more than once.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Still the best Alien vs Predator movie we've gotten to date.

[@lola-to9om]

people going to far with the jokes💀

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Bruh 💀

[@shiltonlam2432]

LMFAO First time I laughed in 2 days

[@dontshootmex5588]

"Whoever wins, we lose"

[@kilssj2250]

Yea... Zod VS Ezra Miller = Alien v Predator Ref says 📣I'll allow it!

[@seanvue5721]

I do think it was overhyped by those who saw it early. And it’s definitely not “DC’s best movie” as some early viewers quoted. Then again, to each their own I guess. However, although it’s not my favorite DC movie, I had fun with it in a popcorn flick type of way even though it was wonky at times.

[@familyguysofunny1933]

Stuff like The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, The Batman etc. is why people watch DC. They want to see directors go absolutely bonkers with whatever they want. A giant underground starfish filled me with more dread than any other villain in recent times. The Suicide Squad didn't have the best CGI but it more than made up for it with cool shots and good writing

[@finlaywelburn]

The entire CGI budget for this movie was spent on bailing Ezra Miller out of prison.

[@COLDDRINKX]

Lol

[@TarawaS2000]

I like that the big Zod fight was in the desert so they didn't have to animate much of anything. And they still managed to make the sand look like trash.

[@petersmithyy4556]

👎 me and my gf thought it was hilarious and fun. Not woke, a bit confusing, not a classic, but its a hit with me.

[@jiggymario8161]

Dude talking about the sand as if he the expert on how sand looks lmao. These KZbin kids be the corniest trying to sound like they really critiquing a good ass movie

[@bharatvarshaball4000]

Dumbass that's the same place as man of steel 😂

[@MrManatee101]

@@jiggymario8161the point is it could’ve looked great. In the video it was compared to iron man and didn’t hold up. But it could have and should have, pointing out the incredibly shitty aspects of the movie is fair game. But yeah the movie was garbage and probably shouldn’t be given the time of day

[@jordanmccoy1099]

…….it’s his opinion. It’s underperforming and it’s got a B Cinemascore so clearly he’s not alone in thinking that. I’m glad you liked I, personally did not, but damn it’s okay to disagree

[@azizyakan1345]

I don’t know what to think because I actually liked the movie after I got over Batman fighting in the day. I was touched by the plot and was shocked at Batman’s final words. Although the CGI was horrible.

[@Jebu911]

To me its not bad or good its a generic super hero time killer movie like all of them pretty much. Bad cgi is not a deal breaker either because its supposed to be a flashy super hero movie with skybeams and shit.

[@vincezzme]

it's kinda good tho, scenes are well laid out, story is touching but yeah cgi was horrible

[@asif9t9]

Nerdrotic informs these guys that they need to do a negative review, so they pull out the AI talking points. Lol. Drinker questioning Batman fighting aliens. Well that's how it's gonna be in a justice league type thing. That's what what it is, pal.

[@RMil-mx5op]

@@asif9t9 Yeah I don't understand that "Batman vs aliens" take at all tbh. If drinker actaully knows about dc comic characters and cartoons, he would know that batman fighting aliens and godlike beings is a very common occurence for him when teamed up with Justice league. It gets so ridiculous at times(not in this movie though) that comic book readers have given him the name Batgod, when he pulls of the most insane feats when a human like him shouldnt have been able to. I really just don't understand the hate for this movie. It was a good time, with some great cameos and characters. And the "bad" CGI everyone complains about was clearly as intended for comedic value and to represent the distortion of the speed force. You can see in other parts of the movie like where Supergirl is figithing Zod, or barry is running really fast that everything looks just fine.

[@sharpright6887]

@RMil-mx5op. Because it’s not a good movie, maybe enjoyable. Drinker doesn’t say one can’t enjoy it, just is not a cohesive movie and given the universe that it’s supposed to reside in that’s the point.

[@blackwolfe638]

In the wake of multiple arrests for attacking women, how'd miller even get to be in any film?

[@gungaloscrungalo8925]

This movie is a perfect case for why movies desperately need a break from: - Super heroes - Multiverses - Time travel

[@italianspiderman5012]

I miss historical epics, but then I don’t think that would work these days, nothing will work these days really.

[@nhmooytis7058]

And nasty actors like Miller, Heard, Larsen.

[@y_s4021]

I don't know, man. Movies need a break from the people making them

[@brandonkick6142]

I mean Spider-Man across the spider verse was a great movie. Same with the Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3. We aren’t tired of super hero’s. We are tired of bad story telling.

[@RambleOn07]

Time travel is my least favorite gimmick.

[@levongevorgyan6789]

They should have used Reverse Flash as the villain. He’s basically the main villain of The Flash, and the whole point of Barry going back in time is to save his mother from Reverse Flash.

[@stanknight9159]

So wait, they didn't even use Reverse Flash, in this movie?? About him going in time? WTF? lol. I thought that was going to be a given or the main storyline.

[@MH-zg5yw]

Don't forget the fact that Reverse Flash played a role in Flashpoint as well. The director screwed up by not including him

[@kail4997]

Reverse flash kinda did nothing in flashpoint? Barry assume Thrawn screw the timeline but it was Barry himself, reverse flash were just there to taunt Barry of his failure and stops him from fixing it.

[@siddharthpandey5828]

@@kail4997 totally agree with that. But Reverse Flash acts as a commentary on Barry and him being a saviour which he is not in Flashpoint as he screws up the timeline. Flashpoint does not work without Batman being Thomas Wayne and Reverse Flash being there. What they have made in this movie is just total mess.

[@NikolasRage]

@@stanknight9159 No, they didn't. There wasn't even any type of yellow flash mystery. Dad went to store. Mom shouts for help. Everyone finds her with a knife in her stomach dead. Nobody asks who killed her or what happened. Not even Barry.

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

There is a point to say that while the CGI and stunt men let Keaton fight better than he "could have" in Burton's film; Burton's film was also made the way it was to exemplify The Batman. What I mean is, there's a concerted difference that has been noted and is very intentional, between Bruce and Dick. In both armor preference and general fighting styles. One has lighter armor and a more acrobatic, higher risk fighting style that works for him because of his training as a tightrope walker in the circus. He uses Escrima sticks as his favored weapons, where Bruce is more a straight up hand to hand brawler. One could argue the stick based fighting style actually lets Dick be less focused, and go at it faster. Especially since he does not quite have Bruce's raw bulk. Where Bruce has to be focused and precise with each strike. He's depending on the heavy weight of his armor to add damage to his strikes and has to know he'll hit exactly where he wants. The sticks do most of the damage in velocity as well as adding a defensive point that means Dick can be less absolutely perfect with his guard, and has more leeway with raw damage output, by muscle alone. Bruce's armor is more The Samurai Vs. Ninja which would be more Nightwing's take. His is meant to guard against the beating that Dick doesn't want to endure. It's the same thing as some knights preferred chainmail to plate. Sometimes that was about what they could afford themselves to upkeep in cost, but a good chunk was weight concern vs. protection offered, and personal endurance on the field. [Not saying he couldn't, but he's more mobile, so dodging is more his style than Bruce's stand my ground against all comers attitude] That said, there's a reason that both heroes are consistently ranked in DC's top martial artists. Neither is a bad fighter in the least, but I'd argue the CGI version of Batman like you see is probably closer to Dick's actual style overall. Long winded way of saying: Keaton really wasn't SUPPOSED to move much. Even against the technical limitations, his movements as a fighter were what they were meant to be, for the character at the time. The times have changed and the style of "action" has evolved to be splashier and more frenetic, but that doesn't mean Keaton as he was did anything wrong in the classic Batman. Burton made the best with what he had, and the lore did support his vision at the time.

[@MaynardGK]

The Drinker is great, but I gotta say I enjoyed this movie. Maybe that's because my interest was more casual, so I enjoyed the casual cameos and I'm not yet burned out on the multiverse, nor have I been paying much attention to Ezra's real-life antics.

[@ducksquidbat8315]

Anytime you become a movie critic you forget about just enjoying the film and instead focus on areas that are lacking/ cinematic mistakes. I’ve enjoyed many terrible films and that’s because I just switch off my inner critic and just enjoy the show. Captain Marvel was one film I just couldn’t get into though. It was awful

[@DisgruntledDoomer]

Definitely agree. And I regret not going to the theaters to see this one - due to the bad hype - because this movie was actually a lot of fun! I like this 'awkward' (instead of 'smart-ass') version of the Flash (Ezra plays him well) and the cameos were a treat. The CGI was very cheap looking, sure, and the plot was all over the place. But there are way worse superhero movies out there! And this one deserved a better reception. I hope it at least becomes some sort of cult classic, later down the line...

[@tulabead]

I too enjoyed the movie and the cameos were delightful

[@mottom2657]

@@ducksquidbat8315 Brie's acting in Captain Marvel was irritating. Same with Carnage Miller in Flash. The Batmans, Supergirl and Flash's mom did well.

[@mottom2657]

@@DisgruntledDoomer You're probably the type of person who also loves Brett Ratner and Harvey Weinstein deep down. Good for you.

[@mikehunt8292]

I think people are downplaying what a technical and creative achievement it is to make such an expensive movie look like it’s being rendered in real time on a sega dreamcast.

[@blitzerblazinoah6838]

Surely the Dreamcast's graphics weren't that bad?

[@danielhicks4826]

@@blitzerblazinoah6838 They were amazing actually well when they tries that is soul calibur shenmue virtua tennis dead or alive etc.

[@papaG6423]

I'm not even a Sega fanboy, but the Dreamcast had the best graphics of its generation by far. I'd say this movie is about on par with the PS1 😂

[@YelenaSkunky]

This is really rude towards Sega Dreamcast. What a malicious slander.

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

@@YelenaSkunky You're right, this is more like a Philips CDI.

[@Rubellious]

From the few trailers I saw at work, it seemed the entire marketing campaign was to get people in based on nostalgia for Michael Keaton's Batman. Kind of ironic when the main selling point for your superhero movie is a completely different superhero.

[@DarkEclipse23]

That's because Keaton is touted to be one of the most popular former DC stars next to Reeve's Superman. It was always a marketing ploy to use that to try and get the majority of the fans to back this movie.

[@Baiano29]

Even the movie posters had more Batman than Flash.

[@JohnHH59]

Yep. Keaton is likeable. Miller is not. I'd watch a movie with just Keaton as Batman; but I'm not wasting my time with this unwatchable mess!

[@Roninnblanca]

​@@Baiano29and u wanna know why??

[@keiththomas1416]

Of course they use the likes of Keaton to shill out for this dreadful steaming pile of turgid nonsense. The marketing departments long caught to the fact that modern fandom is more interested in 'brands' like Star Wars, Star Trek, Batman than actual movie craft. Take Star Wars and Indy. The original trilogy came at a particular time and place, and was a zeitgeist series of movies, coming shortly after Vietnam and the Oil Crisis, stagflation, social and political upheaval right as we enter the peak Cold War. People needed escapism, especially after a run of bleak movies like Soylent Green, All the Presidents Men, Klute, so Star War and Indy took film making back to the Golden Era of Hollywood. But, by the time we get to Jedi, while the idea of kids making there own movies with action figures is a nice one, we then get the Ewoks, and the birth of 'product' rather than art. Fast forward to the prequals and sequels, there is nothing but 'product', now cynically guised under a 'progressive' banner today. Sadly kids today don't have their Star Wars or Indy or Back to the Future because I am afraid to say that my generation, who saw Star Wars in 1977, never gave up their toys. Kids are now just the next on the conveyor belt of 'consumers'. Then we wander why young people are film illiterate, because today we need seven series of the same box set in order to have 'character development', or nihilistic about the world because there are no genuine hero's with few exceptions, male or female, anymore. When you have nothing to believe in, no stakes in society, and no virtue to uphold, you end up with the prolefeed we get, crooks like Trump, Biden, AOC and Sanders reaching the top, and cults like MAGA, BLM, ANTIFA or Proud Boys, who look and sound the same, at least to my ears dominating the social discourse.

[@thejamesbondshow9754]

I finally saw The film and really enjoyed it. I agree regarding General Zod being the villain, which was half baked. Keaton stole the film but needed to be in the film more and in the manner you said.

[@Titantro]

How can the father be in prison for so many years when he was at a store where there are video-cameras?!

[@MrREAPERsz]

I love how flash fucks up the multiverse, then just bails out when it gets tough. He didnt even try to take out Zod. Truly a fantastic hero for WB/DC

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

You'd think one of the best ways to redress the criticisms, which is all DC ever does with every future movie, would be to have Henry Cavill Superman fight Zod and not kill him. Like No Way Home did with its villains. This movie wants to be No Way Home, but doesn't know what makes that movie great.

[@lucacasamassima8146]

In the DCAU Flashpoint movie, the world ends so the only way to save it is to stop himself so I guess for this movie it's a little bit similar. Idk how these movies keep on flopping when half of the work is done via the comics which are already storyboards, costume design, and writing.

[@Grivehn]

@@lucacasamassima8146 Because they refuse to use whats been already done, because these obnoxious, narcissistic twat writers they can do BETTER than the original stories which made these franchises successful in the first place. Comic books, warcraft, star wars, the list goes on. They all had plenty material to adapt, and they failed time and time again.

[@NunYaBiz1313]

He did try to take out Zod, but everytime he did, TIME didn't allow it. Meaning Supergirl and Batman were destined to die in that moment. It was a good movie, 3njoyed it.

[@ShadeDraws]

​@@NunYaBiz1313okay, Ezra

[@aubreezily13]

It still blows my mind that we live in a world where actors like Henry Cavill get released from their roles, but people like Ezra Miller get to keep their projects with barely a slap on the wrist after everything that happened.

[@modetraining2961]

Hollywood is now a cult

[@ericcartman7361]

Amber Heard too. Female privilege

[@killjoy350]

Because he's a lib

[@anonymous3637]

Spread the message™ or fall behind in your career

[@Knightfall182]

Probably because Cavill was also Poorly received by Mainstream Audiences due to his *Wooden* performance. Make no mistake, Miller isn't keeping anything. Flash Flopped. Miller is done. ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡

[@cellshaded]

Oh that Supergirl actress seems great for the role. Maybe they should make a film with her!

[@josephreagan9545]

So one of the biggest changes to the timeline is that Superman is now Supergirl, and that is also one of the reasons that they cannot beat Zod. SuperMAN is stronger than SuperGIRL. It's like Pedowood accidentally admitted that men are stronger than women and didn't even realize it.

[@Carbon_Based_Life_Form]

What I did like is Supergirl wasn't like the Marvel/Disney toxic feminist type. She was her own character being a badass and the fact she's a woman at no point was the focus. In her interviews she mentioned when she met Henry Cavill she asks him "Did I make you proud?", talks about just playing a good character, living up to the standards set by the character and just doing a good job. Zero pandering to the woke. Just because of that I actually hope to see her continue the role and would like to see a Supergirl movie. Not to mention she looks goddamn beautiful in that suit and makes no attempt to hide the fact women have, certain features. If this was Marvel you'd already see "supergirls suit is too tight, outdated, it's objectifying women!"

[@cwhiting]

She was imprisoned by humans. So she should have a chip on her shoulder. I enjoyed dark supergirl. Also, I really hate that all of y'all keep using the word "woke" for everything y'all hate.....all y'all have turned into what you hate....SHEEP. In fact WOKE is just another stolen colonized word. Blacks have been using woke for decades....SMH....the anti woke people are sheep. And don't know it

[@j_shelby_damnwird]

I´ve never heard about this actress before, and honestly, now I´m looking forward to her new roles. After all the mockery about the famous leaked pics, I have to admit she looks quite good on that tight-fitting suit 🍑👀

[@icupnibba3533]

Man I’ve heard a lot of reassuring things about this supergirl when tbh it was my main concern heading into this film. Would you recommend I still give the Flash a watch though?

[@jerrodlank7222]

It was a great idea having her being held by the Russians

[@The_GenXennial]

AGREED!!

[@shawnsharpe1912]

In the animation, Batman usually acts as the strategist. He is generally the play maker to bring the big gun, Superman, into the fight.

[@EvilDoresh]

It helps that the comics have an actual Justice League with an actual HQ. Plenty of opportunities to brainstorm with the other thinkers of the League, and less time trying to stop an angry, super-powered alien with a glorified airplane meant to stop thugs.

[@maxminton3693]

Yes, but he’s also prone to bringing technology to big fights. I’m reminded of that moment in the justice league unlimited show where he just inexplicably has a bomb on the bat plane that can freeze hundreds of miles within absolute zero. His explanation is simply I had to freeze the Gotham river once. It’s one of the best Batman lines I can think of. There’s no precedent, that never happened in Batman, the animated series. It might’ve happened in one of the comic book titans, but it never happened on screen. But you very much by that at some point Batman had to freeze the entire Gotham river. Why? Probably the joker, maybe scarecrow, maybe something completely different, but the man had to freeze the river, and he had a bomb to do it. And then he made another bomb and kept it on the back plane just in case you needed to freeze something else. In modern society, being the strategist means having some really fun toys to play with. And Bruce Wayne can afford some pretty fun toys.

[@carljohan9265]

The bit where Batman makes fucking darkseid back down by outsmarting him is legendary.

[@maxminton3693]

That was a really good scene in an otherwise average movie. I remember thinking that I would’ve liked that scene. A lot better hadn’t been Kevin Conroy as Batman and Michael Ironside as dark side. As far as I’m concerned, those are the definitive voices for those characters. Rest in peace, Kevin Conroy.

[@omanjackson17]

Batman is the prep guy. Tower of Babel show us if you give Batman too much prep he can killed everybody in the Justice League.

[@vsmario]

I must be a simpleton! Was expecting something really bad, but I actually liked the movie. It's entertaining, it's actually funny without cutting off the serious part of it; there's a good balance in that aspect, which makes the journey of negation, grief, and acceptance actually sincere.

[@Laughy-Flaaffy]

I actually really really liked it. Don’t know why people hated it so much

[@donsolos]

Yeah, you may just be a simpleton. Low expectations was definitely the move though. Erza miller is just a terrible choice for the flash, they deviate hard from what the flash is actually like The animated flashpoint movie is just wildly better than this remake. But that would of requires making wonder woman a bad guy and that was never gonna happen in this current Hollywood culture.

[@hscroan]

I thought Ezra did a good job. I liked the movie very much! Switch to beer Drinker!

[@gilveber2929]

exactly .... You know when a movie is good, it s when even with the wokism part, the terrible cgi, you have some great moments, and good writing in my opinion

[@akhil6095]

Even I don't get why people hate it, I actually like the multiverse introduction here than in Marvel where Spiderman just decides to make people forget him.

[@averagejackmedia609]

The problem I have with DC movies.. there is literally NO consistency in a lot of their franchises. How many reboots? How man recasts? How many movies that went NOWHERE.. Just awful.

[@onis]

The amount of times you showed Ezra Miller getting electrocuted in that chair while he has that giant mouth had me dying

[@IronMikeDyson1979]

That's his thing in real life😂

[@MasterChiefSpartan117]

Or the amount of times showing Super Girl's chest 😂

[@Grey_Wulfe]

@@MasterChiefSpartan117supergirl’s chest almost made up for two of Ezra almost.

[@normadgarmez7026]

😅😂😆

[@KitsuneAdorable]

There’s nothing they can do to Millers image to make him likeable, or less criminal. Even with his mental health issues he should _not_ be allowed to be protected.

[@w0undedmakers251]

(((they)))) (((them)))

[@randycliff4045]

Studios need to quit protecting lunatics. They should have cut Miller loose, canned the movie and saved themselves hundreds of millions (can you spell tax write off).

[@Graphaeli]

@@zogwort1522 L

[@Graphaeli]

@@w0undedmakers251 L

[@aidanford4285]

@@zogwort1522 who gives a fuck if he has anxiety? Everyone has anxiety, doesn't mean they all go out acting like a criminal/pedo.

[@TheNeckzombie]

While I don't disagree with your points, I still really enjoyed the movie. I thought there were good character arcs. For example, ALL of the flashes ultimately realizing the importance of the lesson they learned from Mom: 'not all problems have a solution, sometimes you have to move on.' There were scenes that set up later important plot points, etc. Plus I have a weakness for the time paradox plot devices. :-)

[@etrosknight2254]

When I realized that the guy that knocked Barry out of his time travel at the start was ultimately the version of himself stuck in an infinite loop of trying to save the world, my appreciation for the movie went way up. I agree this time paradox plot and Barry's character arc were super cool and to me make this better than most superhero trash we are subjected to

[@Bhrixtguns]

Supergirl was my biggest concern with the flash because I know how modern movies are but she turned out to be my favorite part of the movie. I wish they would have given her more time tho because they could have made her so much better

[@nzeusman8215]

Supergirl was my biggest concern, ??????????

[@Bhrixtguns]

@@nzeusman8215 well yeah lol if you know how movies are today, then you’d know what I’m talking about. I truly thought she was gonna come in and out shine everyone and talk about how much better girls are and stuff but none of that happened and I was actually happy about it

[@nzeusman8215]

@@BhrixtgunsWait, where is superboy!?> you got a superwoman AND girl?! this is not right.

[@phillawrence5148]

I genuinely never thought id hear the sentence "rescuing falling babies by throwing them into microwaves" 😂

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

Why does that sound like was an Ezra Miller adlib?

[@johncarroll5178]

It all started with that damn refrigerator in the Crystal Skull.

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

@@johncarroll5178 This is the first example of "Fridging" in the DCEU.

[@bobbob8905]

If he grabbed the babies they would of been sick or maybe died

[@BOBXFILES2374a]

Doesn't Spider-Man do that all the time??

[@KaijinD]

Strongly agree with your criticism of the misuse of Batman. He's supposed to be an avatar of fear. You don't know when and if he'll jump out of the dark. When your fellow criminal walking beside you after a job will suddenly get pulled into the air and vanish. Batman in a mass battle in the daylight makes no sense. It also makes him very vulnerable.

[@Lorric101]

Batman would deal with Zod in the shadows. Infiltrate his base / ship or something and lie in wait for the perfect moment to strike.

[@thejamidoger2128]

Instead he died, twice!

[@GingerZombie29]

Batman in daylight doesn't really work.

[@CyborgSodaCollects]

Bruce goes where he's needed

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

"Never during the day, Alfred." -Frank Miller's Bruce Wayne, Batman: Year One.

[@Just-Tony]

I actually completely forgot that Clooney had played Batman, when he showed up at the end I fully expected him to start shitting on about coffee.

[@davidwholly5209]

The "multiverse" is little more than an excuse to introduce "reimagined" versions of legacy characters for the purpose of eventually replacing said legacy characters. Yeah, I said it.

[@zacy-t2771]

At least it’s done well in spiderverse

[@adenforst230]

Robert Downey Jr's charisma and acting chops made Iron Man, who was mostly unknown to general audiences, one of the biggest names in the Marvel lineup and a major global phenomenon. Ezra Miller managed to transform one of the most likable characters in the DCU into an insufferable, annoying, mess. It's quite an achievement.

[@iam-v8498]

You can't compare a marvel movies to this hot garbage lol

[@RatedShocks]

The flash is mush better than NWH and doctor stranger

[@bloodarcher7841]

@@RatedShocksyou must be on drugs. This movie had its moments of amazing stuff but it’s dogshite

[@mrdzin1209]

Yeah, I love how Marvel was forced to use some unpopular heroes due to licensing and managed to turn them into the phenomenon of the decade. Then DC panic they would miss out the superhero hype, then rushed out a bunch of superhero movies using all of their top-tier, iconic heroes and managed to ruin every single one of them.

[@korawitbuttramee618]

@@mrdzin1209 IMO it was mostly James Gunn and Netflix guys who were the reasons Marvel's "B Teams" did so well.

[@Signal_in_the_noise]

Ezra Miller as a super hero is the weirdest casting choice of all time

[@nikhernandez8435]

How so? Because of his current state?

[@sergf3624]

i dont get this question why is it weird at the time it was perfect casting tf you on about?

[@theghostofmaximumvolume3414]

Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor was the dumbest choice for a villain, so far.

[@Signal_in_the_noise]

@@sergf3624 because he’s a weird hippie gay sperg , how is he not? His claim to fame is literally being a flamboyant high school “outsider” who fondled a jock’s sack. Dude’s testosterone levels are at 150 but hey go fight in battles and save the world i guess

[@ronaldbell7429]

I liked him in Justice League. But the current movie has 2 problems: first is the actor’s off-screen behavior, which legitimately ought to be a factor in people’s decision whether to support the movie or not. Second, though, is the Zoidberg effect (Or the Dory effect or the Mater effect, if you prefer). There are secondary characters who don’t have a lot of lines, so most of them can be awesome one-liners. Then you slot them as the main character where they’re carrying most of the dialog… and suddenly they get really tedious. And on top of that, they made two of him for this movie. At least when Zoidberg got tedious it was just a 23 minute show. Dory and Mater ground on through full length movies.

[@baroufess]

i really wanted this movie to succeed just because we would get a Batman Beyond movie with Michael Keaton

[@joshs9986]

I don’t agree with the flash not being a popular character/hero but I do agree with what you said about Ezra miller. The flash tv show with Grant Gustin was awesome for a while until the writers absolutely gave up and completely f’ed it up and Grant does the character great imho.

[@kev3d]

When Ezra Miller was initially cast in the DCU, I remember saying "well he's not *my* Barry Allen, but what the hell? Let's give him a chance." And I went on to defend him in the role. HOW WRONG I WAS.

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Still questioning how this movie wants to be No Way Home, and wastes money on CGI to paint actors who are dead as alive and well. But somehow doesn't have the idea of bringing Grant Gustin and Melissa Benoist. What was so wrong with the Arrowverse? The writing and drop in quality. The actors were fine in their portrayals, much like Henry Cavill who was murdered by his scripts, not his performance. You have time for an Adam West cameo. But not Grant Gustin and Melissa Benoist. Not even a passing mention. Great job. Then again, they dropped Henry Cavill from this movie. Amazing work. WB has its finger on the pulse.

[@gamemediafan1714]

He was never right for the role even in both versions of JL.

[@chimp610]

you remember saying "he's not my Barry Allen"? yikes

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

We didn't need this DCEU sequel to "We Need To Talk About Kevin."

[@dannyd.9932]

It is a heinous crime that THIS is the movie that they let Michael Keaton be Batman once again.

[@AbsentMinded619]

There was exactly one gag that made me laugh a bit: “cousins dinner.”

[@Sarcosuchas]

The sad thing is that this movie was an inferior adaptation of its source material (Flashpoint Paradox). They took a fantastic story and just got it wrong.

[@mannypardo1080]

Nothing good can come from giving Ezra Miller screen time. Or money. Or attention.

[@rockinHurley777]

Exactly

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Ezra Miller needs to go to a psychiatrist

[@theoriginalJP]

Or access to children

[@motivatedtoscapechildsupport]

Ezra Miller should have been reverse flash, not the flash.

[@greggibson33]

Either he's a good actor or not (he's not).... thats all I care about. Lots of a-holes out there.

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

The way Batman works in this kind of scenario was epitomized in Superman/Batman: Apocalypse. Instead of joining the fight against Darkseid directly, he discovered a strategic advantage over him, and simply compelled him to stand down without facing him in combat. But of course the DCU seems allergic to Darkseid.

[@PaulaBean]

There is not enough representation in this movie.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

As you say, Batman can absolutely work in Justice League or team-up stories as a strategist and tactician. _Superman/Batman: Apocalypse_ is a based on a story from the Superman/Batman comic. There are tons of other stories in the comics that the movie writers can look at to see how to make Batman work in a setting outside Gotham. The DCEU doesn't just seem allergic to Darkseid; it seems allergic to adapting stories from the comics at all. It's stupid to have decades and decades worth of stories to take as inspiration and not use any of it.

[@Reddervetter]

​@@PaulaBeanexplain

[@scarsch1286]

@@ReddervetterIt’s bait bro don’t fall for that weak ass shit. You’re better then that.

[@FalconTheFries]

DCU is allergic to Darkseid? The fuck?

[@NoGoitisme]

What pisses me off in this movie is. It begins with him changing the timeline. Then he regrets changing the timeline so he goes back in time changes the timeline again to what it was before but then he gets the sudden idea to change it again moves the blue canned tomatoes to the top so his dad looks up. He tries to fix a mistake he made just to make that same mistake again. Ik he wanted to save his dad but that’s just fucking bullshit and so immature writing. No character development. The cgi was as aswell so yeah

[@azrael_morningstar]

"nobody's favourite superhero barry allen" But he is my favourite hero 💀 Well aside from Ben 10.

[@Juhno]

I can imagine what kind of outcry would come if a female actress' physical appearance was described so...intensely. At least the writer would be called a creep.

[@adanalyst6925]

The emphasis on male actors physiques recently doesn’t sit well with me

[@Scipio488]

On the other hand: very few actresses are as pretty as Ezra Miller.😉

[@gotdatazz123]

@@Scipio488true, I’d take Ezra’s booty in jail forsure

[@gotdatazz123]

@@NobodyXiiiOrder my hope isn’t the only thing that’s going to be up.

[@silashurd3597]

Tell me about it. Story time: there was a post showing Sasha in a black super girl outfit and this guy made a joke about about her looking nice in her outfit. Nothing harmless and I wouldn’t say it was creepy. But this random person made it their entire life mission to say that the comment was apparently “creepy” when the OG commenter didn’t even say anything bad. Thankfully many people (myself included) called this person out on their BS but that person seems very passionate about what they think. So yeah. Can’t even say anything good about attractive women anymore because say 1 thing, even if it’s harmless and not creepy, and people will still say opposite🤦‍♂️🥺

[@westin556]

The justice league animation movies actually do a phenomenal job showcasing Batman in a way that is believable to be a hero of the entire earth instead of just a city. He seems the most in control and reliable to get the job done when other more powerful actual super hero’s can’t do it.

[@raiseer]

Completely agree. Same as the comics - at least the older ones (since I don't know the new). Grant Morrison's JLA run is a perfect example showing why Batman matters - even without superpowers.

[@Tyler_W]

Completely agree. He may be human, but he's basically at the peak of human capability, so he while he can absolutely get wrecked, he can believably not get smeared. He has value because he's as good as he is at what he does. Barry himself says that the Justice League needs Batman because he's their strategist and tactician. If Superman is the tank, Batman's the general.

[@ApexPheonixYT]

My favorite depiction of the justice league has to be in throne of atlantis. Batman is smart, intelligent, knows what's he's doing, doesn't talk unless he has too. Superman is kind, also smart, strong. Wonder woman the same. Flash and cyborg being the youngest are funny a joketive. Also their costumes are awesome, definitely the best

[@raiseer]

@@ApexPheonixYT Thanks for the recommendation. Question: Did you mean the comic or the animated movie? (i.e. what should we check out)

[@ApexPheonixYT]

@@raiseer animated definitely, haven't read the comic, I've seen a little bit of it but wouldn't say its as good as the movie, definitely check it out

[@slavsquatsuperstar]

6:52 “I wouldn’t mind seeing more of her” Woah hold on tiger you’ve already got Tatiana xD

[@Yimster06]

Remember when one of the directors said that this flash movie was going to be so good that everyone would forget about Ezra’s crimes

[@oplvi5h]

I loved the part when Ezra randomly mugged Michael Keaton and then Keaton forgave him because he was a member of the LGBT community

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Nah Ezra is just mentally ill

[@ArrowArchitect]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 you have said the same thing

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@ArrowArchitectOh yeah

[@19ate4]

Just some guy who loves Berserk 33 minutes ago Nah Ezra is just mentally ill Just like most of the small hats that push for kids to be trans

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

Same difference

[@Batman12810]

They need Batman doing espionage while the gods are battling, it makes more sense. While the Justice league is battling it out with Brainiac's(for instance) army, Batman could be infiltrating the ship intending to "steal the plans" or "blow up the machine". That way you can still keep him badass on a relative scale.

[@thehater6844]

Bro, have you seen Young Justice? By reading your comment I think you definitely need to watch it

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

That is mostly what he did in the cartoons. You just described it perfectly. The main bad guy unleashes monsters and damage to keep the League busy while Batman sneaks on up him. There's some decent monologue and then they fight or they don't.

[@davidbeppler3032]

You can't post that. They have a writers strike going an that is illegal. They can sue you for it.

[@thehater6844]

@@valentinegonsalves7322 Yeah animated movies did that pretty well, but in my opinion Young Justice did it the best

[@Batman12810]

@@thehater6844 I have, likely just stating the obvious.

[@the97thsurvivor46]

Nice video, i agree with alot of what you said, for me there were really specific things in this that just destroyed it in my opinion. First off, The running, if anything stops, the awkward running and posing and talking should be first, Barry is not everyone's favorite, but he had confidence, the one i watched anyway from the Justice League animated series, which i can only assume was close to the comics flash, was a bit like Spiderman in confidence and comedy, i usually tell myself that it's an AU (alternate universe) version like i do with Iris West, but there are limits damnit. Secondly, when Flash changed history, all he changed was the timespan from his childhood forward, around the same time Batman would lose his parents, Superman was learning to deal with his powers, Aquaman was being taught his, Wonder woman would be living in the world of man etc etc, i get some alteration would occur, but these made no sense save for Cyborg, somewhat. Third, i kind of expected Michael Keaton to play Thomas Wayne, not only because he's older, but because i expected the events of flashpoint paradox to some degree, however Bruce Wayne's difference in appearance is due to Barry's mother's survival ?, how the hell did that alter Bruce's appearance and age so drastically when he was already born by this time, same thing with Clooney. Fourth, Super girl (who for AU reasons has short black hair now,) was going off the events of Flashpoint paradox as well save for the fact that SHE landed in Siberia instead of wherever the hell she landed in the original timeline, now the real issue is Clark didn't even land on earth,... because Flash, a human, on earth, effected the timeline, on earth, AFTER superman had already landed, because when Barry first got his powers it was a little afterwards that Zod attacked going by the movies own words, meaning Superman and Flash where around the same age give or take, So Barry's time alteration affected the timeline somehow before the point of interference; So somehow super girl landed on earth, Clark who was already living in Kansas, never made it... Bruce's entire age and appearance were altered despite already being born and around the same age, Arthur, already been born, blipped out of existence i guess ?, Diana probably decided to go home (don't blame her), all because Barry touched a can of tomatoes on earth, all im saying is if you are an up and coming writer/director reading this, pay attention when writing a story, it helps, the audience appreciates it. Fifth, Of course the one and only Live-action (which are overrated to hell) Flash focused movie to come out since 1992 (Far as i know) And seemingly following the events of the Flashpoint paradox, could have, introduced us to Mirror master, done a crossover with Gorilla Grodd & planet of the apes (why not), Have The Flash fight or even cooperate with Captain cold, And of course, the bane of Barry's existence, Reverse Flash, the cause of all this, ALL these options & some, and we get, Superman's enemy, Zod, who followed the exact same script just with super girl... Well then, that's my two cents, hope the read was something positive for you and i'll see you next time anonymous reader. o7 (Salute)

[@MichaelHplus]

I guess you weren’t paying attention to the spaghetti scene where Bruce explained that changing the past also changes events prior to that past.

[@eoncatalyst]

They could make badass R rated film about Ben Affleck’s Batman vs Deathstroke, but they made this.

[@davefedoruk6598]

Actually thought the same thing about the actress playing Supergirl, she's one of the things I thought I wouldn't like, but I actually walked out feeling like she's the one person I wouldn't mind seeing in another DC film. I'm actually hoping they cast her in something that gives her a bit more to do, to see how she is .

[@Nono-vt3rh]

Indeed she was nice

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

She was surprisingly good for the little she had to work with. Also, they didn't go down the whole girl power approach with her, unlike her CW counterpart. She's not belittling the men around her and is a competent fighter without being a Mary sue. Also, I've seen the actress in other things and was extremely excited for her casting since day one.

[@wohendumwing3ee9]

Nope. She looks nothing like Supergirl. She's not even remotely attractive. Supergirl was the typical blonde beauty. Another attempt to replace attractive white characters, an attempt that small minded individuals like yourselves are eating up hook, line, and sinker.

[@kyorikusagami84]

Yeah i love Sasha grey

[@cheeseburgerpaladin]

she was pretty good and i agree i think she would do really well in a future role

[@ihavetowait90daystochangem67]

If only they didn’t use 90% of the budget in Ezra Miller’s Court Case

[@m.w.976]

And PR protections.

[@cejannuzi]

DC would have done better to use their Arrowverse to make a series of films. It really ended badly for them.

[@Spazza42]

This is what happens when studios make films but cutting footage together from multiple reshoots, there’s no cohesive story with an end line - it’s just we need this thing - get thing - now get this thing

[@filmunion8194]

They should give Michael Keaton as Batman, his own film. Maybe a Batman Beyond film

[@dhenderson1810]

He did have his own films. They were "Batman", and "Batman Returns".

[@jjc5407]

Giving Keaton his own Batman movie now would be like giving Harrision Ford another movie as Indiana Jones... oh wait...

[@diobrando1488]

I agree (directed by denis villeneuve) but it's too late!

[@abark]

​@@jjc5407no one cared that the guy playing iron man was old as hell... Why? Because it's just his face surrounded by cgi anyway

[@Ninja_Koopa]

I thought at one point.. maybe it was rumored. That he was supposed to be an elder Bruce in a Batman beyond movie, but that was also a long time ago.

[@Maladjester]

Best use of Batman would have been as a strategist. Remember "Call it, Captain" from _Avengers?_ Steve gets everyone doing the best job for their abilities in about two seconds, amplifying everyone's effectiveness, letting everyone know there's a plan, and that plan can work. Batman is a tactical genius. He doesn't have to be the strongest because he can tell Supergirl, who IS the strongest but very inexperienced, exactly the right thing to do.

[@EvilDoresh]

I think there's actual a version of comic Supergirl that _did_ take martial arts lessons from Batman

[@immikeurnot]

Yep. Batman always had a plan. And a backup. And a backup to the backup. Him not having superpowers demands that her rely on his wits. Superman just flies in and punches stuff really hard. Flash just moves really fast. Batman has some badass tech and resources, yeah, but in a world where enemies who can tank a hit from... well... a tank, and then punch said tank to death with bare hands and you're just a standard human being, you've got to be able to bring your A game every time.

[@nuncio21]

You reminded me of good times right here. “Thor, you got the lightning. Light the bastards up.” “And Hulk… Smash!”

[@hughjaenus2235]

WB - it was me Barry, i was the one who ruined you!

[@wrath8704]

I agree with most of this but saying Flash isn't a popular hero is absolute bs

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

Seeing that PS2 cgi in IMAX must've been quite the experience for the two people in the theater.

[@savvi3128]

I am not defending the movie the producers said they intentionally had awful cgi in the time travel scene because it was from Barry's point of view. Something about distortion.

[@MrMan0842]

it was glorious,,, i only watched the movie for michael keaton but my gosh, any bit of enjoyment from him was just slaughtered by the cgi. it was at the point where i just ended up laughing at any bit of cgi they threw in.

[@VioletDeathRei]

​@@savvi3128 _"We were terrible on purpose"_ is absurd in premise but from Hollywood I believe it. It takes real skill and dedication to churn out such garbage year in and year out with such consistency. I can only imagine how much work it is to go line by line, imagine by imagine and make sure nothing of quality got through.

[@tomforsythe7024]

Dear DC: Your characters are archetypal and iconic. They aren't edgy, conflicted, or neurotic. Signed, Every DC fan

[@abiyyupanggalih854]

indeed

[@Matein13]

For Superman, sure. But Batman's entire character is that he's crazy and obsessed.

[@davariusjessup3943]

Lobo says hi.

[@tomforsythe7024]

@@Matein13 That didn't start until the 80's.

[@tomforsythe7024]

@@davariusjessup3943 "Oh look! I found an exception to a reasonable generalization. Everyone bask in my cleverness."

[@planetofthegapes]

Here's the thing: the film should be all about Barry's trauma, the lengths he'll go to change history, and he either makes a choice to live with the cost to everyone or he steps back from the precipice and accepts the things he can't change. Absolutely no need for multiverse bollocks, or having the JL involved.

[@Insanitea]

"Too much action, too much visual spectacle" More or less every Marvel film

[@MoonWielder]

_The Flash_ was doomed the moment Ezra Miller's crimes went public. DC could've salvaged it at least a little bit if they had denounced his crimes instead of hyping up this movie to distract people or making excuses for them. Even from a business standpoint, I cant comprehend why they would think that's a good idea.

[@christophertaylor9100]

This movie gave them the perfect chance to recast Flash but instead they cast him... twice. They had a chance to show Ezra turn into the bad guy flash and an alternate universe flash (starring, oh I don't know, the TV show guy?) who gets defeated and the new guy sets everything right.

[@fan.of.nintendo]

They already shot the movie and poured too much money into it to scrap it. DC was screwed from the get-go. They had to release the movie if they wanted to at least break even

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

​@@christophertaylor9100 They would have to reshoot it entirely and spend 200 more million dollars.

[@cormoran2303]

@@fan.of.nintendo He was filmed choking a woman a whole year before they ever started filming so that excuse doesn't fly.

[@christophertaylor9100]

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p I mean, they reshot it like 3 times anyway, one of those could have been the plot I laid out

[@comosixchina5004]

I know we're all excited to see Michael Keaton as Batman again. So am I. But is anyone else besides me happy to see Michael Shannon as General Zod again??

[@onmas909]

He played his part great as always! He wasn't there much but he's literally made for that role!

[@FlorisDVijfde]

Again? Terence Stamp was Zod in Supe II.

[@anthonytrevino3191]

Looks like other people though weren’t excited to see a cameo from a character from movies that were from 89-92 (even though I like Keaton.)

[@airixxxx]

Yea, for me at least Man of Steel is still the best superpowered superheroe movie.

[@andysalter7192]

I loved 89 Batman, I was 13 when it came out and it was HUGE and I saw it 4 times in the cinema BUT I could care less about ANOTHER Batman in ANOTHER Comic Book Movie! And I could care less about Zod , Terrance Stamp is the only Zod I cared about.

[@r200ti]

Not seen this yet but that was a great review. Shame, after watching the justice leauge cartoons i realised there was some fantastic stories that really brought characters like the Flash and supergirl into a whole new light (like the ever increasing power of the flash or when supergirl lost her powers) There is so much you can do with these characters. And its all been flushed away.

[@donsolos]

The animated flashpoint movie is one of the best superhero movies I have ever seen. All they had to do was take that storyline and recreate it, of course they screwed that up.

[@kstankova3606]

I cannot believe they didn't kick ezra miller from the movie after all the crimes and abuse he was charged with... But Johnny Depp was treated like sh*t after one vague accusation

[@genjicrow]

This movie is the final chapter of Ezra Flash in the movie.His story is finished because he is stuck in Clooney timeline, his father is freed and his crush finally date him.He just decided to accept his fate and stay in that timeline.And since this is multiverse, The Flash will be casted by someone else in the future.

[@MrMittens1974]

Johnny probably wasn't blowing some exec somewhere.

[@christopher9152]

He has the "right" ethnicity and ideology. This gives him massive leverage.

[@chronocross85]

Because those crimes were misdemeanors and most of them were exaggerated for clickbait. He was arrested 3x and bailed out each time.

[@numbersandletters0i608]

@@chronocross85 You don't need to exaggerate an actor choking someone

[@janrobott8286]

I think it’s just funny that the plot: “Barry saves his mom, but then has to let her die to save the world“ has been done multiple times already by the show “the Flash“

[@Paulafan5]

It's almost as if that is part of the source materials. It's like all the Batman films having Bruce Wayne's parents murdered in front of him which starts him on the path to becoming Batman.

[@TheKrazykwasi]

@@Paulafan5the main difference is that Bruce’s parents dying has never been the entire central driving force of a show/movie. It’s a catalyst event, but we’ve never had an entire movie that focused on that plot point. Meanwhile, with flash, we’ve had COUNTLESS takes on the Flashpoint outings. Comics, tv shows, cartoons and games (to a lesser degree). We’ve had so much that when we compare this to those, its clear that its one of the weaker takes on the flashpoint event. At least thats how I see it.

[@justinkrzywonos7061]

@@TheKrazykwasicause flashpoint has become a major part of the dc comics universe plus the flash has been going through time since the 1950s

[@og3dkooz381]

I think it's funny that the plot: "Superman struggles with being of 2 worlds." "The Avengers have a new big bad to beat after they get over bitching at each other" "The Flash does Flash things revolving his parents." Insult intelligently or leave it be. Be better.

[@janrobott8286]

@@og3dkooz381 First:I just wanted to point it out because i think (the first time ) the show did it it was really good Second: as said above it was never the only focus of the show

[@josephbateera7459]

7:00 Zod wasn't the actual villain , it was barry ( no i'm not defending flash as a great movie but i don't like inaccuracy either) , zod wasn't the focus , he was just part of a bigger problem barry had to face , the problem that certain things can't change however much you want them to and to learn to accept things as they are and appreciate what he does have . The movie has ALOT OF FLAWS , poor cgi being chief among them but that doesn't give reviewers the license to misinterprete stuff about the film to make it look even worse than it already is , IF A MOVIE IS SHITE IT IS SHITE , YOU DON'T NEED TO ADD EXTRA BS TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE SHITE!!!!

[@iaskenny9879]

I have met no one... no one, that when asked who their favourite superhero is, they respond by saying, the flash.

[@24749ersrock]

Flashpoint is one of my favorite comics and animated movies, so it really sucks they couldn’t do the storyline justice on the big screen.

[@ryhanc]

I've never understood how DC can't just lift their IP into movies. The Flashpoint DC animated movie is amazing. Literally, just do this!! I'm watching on Wednesday but already feeling a bit reluctant

[@kyorikusagami84]

Tv movie

[@phoenixdzk]

Can you imagine if they actually adapted it properly? Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Thomas Wayne's Batman, Lauren Cohen as the Joker, Aquaman & Wonder Woman fighting to the death, what a missed opportunity

[@yorecf9641]

Thawne is probably the one who kept changing the script just to make Barry's movie suck.

[@ryhanc]

Just seen it. Feeling a bit empty. Damn you DC.

[@WelcomeToDERPLAND]

"saving babies by throwing them into microwaves" Fucking lmao.

[@drnitz]

Once again sir, your analysis is absolutely accurate, insightful, and brilliant. I wish you could be a studio head, and help produce some decent movies.

[@xenulus5282]

It is really weird how going back in time 10 years on Earth altered the events on Krypton where they sent a daughter to Earth instead of a son....?

[@robertsuarez2842]

If only there was an evil speedster a sort of reverse flash they could’ve used as an antagonist

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

Then there'd be 3 of the exact same character in the movie

[@cptrelentless80085]

A reverse Flash? Like tortoise man or something?

[@mijanhoque1740]

That’s what this was missing

[@flatebo1]

Because every solo superhero movie needs an antagonist with the exact same powerset as the hero....

[@Asghaad]

@@flatebo1 thats the problem with speedsters, its so broken OP that to have an opponent you need someone that can move just as fast, which in DC means either Superman, some other Kryptonian or being on the same powerlevel OR another speedster ... guess which is easier to pull off - they tried that exact thing in this one by using Zod ...

[@CuT7yFlaM]

What's funny about Barry Allen is that without having read about his comics and the few things I've seen about him (the Injustice games and Flashpoint Paradox), you expect an easy-going, chill, funny simple dude, that is clever and humble. A regular man equipped with a good mental, a sense of justice and principles, granted an awesome power that is the Speed Force. And it makes him a great figure. But it seems Warner can't see that and roll with it. He's probably one of the simpler heroes out there and they can't even do that.

[@og3dkooz381]

How was he not any of those things...?

[@xFlareLeon]

Ezra Miller was cast as Barry Allen, but he was trying and failing to play Wally West.

[@scottcarroll9201]

Blame Snyder. He's the one who cast the walking shitshow known as Ezra Miller.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

I mean, one of the Justice League shows had Flash encounter one of his enemies (think it was the Trickster) while he was at a bar because he needed information, and just.... sat down, talked and listened to him. Asked him about how his day was, asked about his meds, gently reminded them that they're in costume and that they needed to keep up with their meds, and just treated them as a mentally unwell individual with struggles while also getting the information that they wanted. I don't see the movie Flash having the patience, understanding, and humanity to do that.

[@og3dkooz381]

@scottcarroll9201 😅🤣🤣aww, snyder hurt you too?

[@daskommandantkrieger2503]

Was it Nerdrotic who said supergirl "looks hot?" Really?

[@kiro_memes3111]

This is not even mentioning that at the end of the movie (Spoilers) the Flash isn't even in his original dimension. Basically meaning that his dad is still stuck in a jail cell being framed for the murder of his deceased wife and his son disappeared out of fucking nowhere and never to be seen again