Why Modern Movies Suck - Nobody Can Stay Dead!

"No one is ever truly gone." Well, that's definitely the mantra for movies these days, where death is treated more like a casual inconvenience than a permanent end for most characters. Join me as I take you on a tour of the worst offenders.
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[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

"Somehow Palpatine returned" will remain the absolute worst written line in cinematic history and no one can tell me otherwise

[@Gerolinger]

Every time I hear that quote I have to laugh at how absurd it is

[@BeatRoot14]

how anyone buys into that is beyond me too. really hate that film

[@sniperslayer95]

And to think they had a perfectly good and reasonable explination that already existed in Legends and they chose not to use it. Hell they could have just use Legends kept it Canon and made a far better set of movies.

[@lordsathariel4384]

what's more awkward is in the extended universe they dealt with a similar story path for palpatine and did it better but they couldn't do it like that in the movies because palpatine returning wasn't a plan from the start like i swear Ian McDiarmid said in a interview he was asked to do the last movie a year before it released and Disney changed way to much for it to work like the sequel trilogy was handled so unbelievably badly i honestly think one of these people was scarred by star wars as a kid or something and wanted revenge because the idea anyone could mess up that badly is hysterically terrifying. also side note i think the real issue issue with multiverse's in cinema compared to comics or games/animated series is that you do not get the same depth of story in movies these days as other media because it's got to be bigger and flashier so not only can people not die but also with things like a multiverse or time travel you need a lot of finesse to make it not completely break the stakes of things like marvel's solution is if you mess with stuff too much the living tribunal smacks you into nonexistence or worse and with say dc comics they have the presence and other multiversal beings that serve the same role as the tribunal the issue is with marvel and many other movie franchises that use the multiverse card literally none of these movies or tv shows introduce the reason time travel and the multiverse don't break everything and destroy consequence a good example is the flash tv series which at the start did it's best to explain why time travel didn't constantly happen and ruin reality or like stargate which touched on it and explained why it doesn't happen but you get a lot of studios who want to use these plot systems as quick fixes or as the next big thing without actually having the things that make it semi plausible to not ruin everything in their source material.

[@macmedic892]

I don’t know-Pearl Harbor’s “I think World War Two just started!” Is right up there, considering WW2 had been going on for over two years by that point.

[@kevinoneil5120]

Remember when stories were allowed to END?

[@fattiger6957]

Not now. With the MCU being the biggest thing in the history of Hollywood, they have to copy everything from comics. Even the worst things about comics like death being a meaningless marketing stunt.

[@jasonrhodes9726]

Comic book heroes and villains die and come back to life all the time. No one is forever dead in a comic so why would they be forever dead in a comic book movie? We are NOT talking high cinema, we are talking Marvel, I doubt the spelling in the scripts are given much thought.

[@Praxics0815]

Are you crazy or something? If it isn't a franchise with prequels, sequels, spin-offs, tie-ins and multimedial presence it isn't worth doing. Or something.

[@slashbash1347]

People demand more, and like a parent giving into a child's fit, modern Hollywood gives 'em what they want. It's like when I saw a question, "What book series did you wish would never end?" A lot of people said Harry Potter or LOTR, but I had to wonder, why did they want Harry never to defeat Voldemort? Why did they never want Sam and Frodo to destroy the ring? I couldn't think of any more where I didn't want it to end.

[@c.moriarty1178]

Nope, now shut up and take my money for the next serving of recycled sludge

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

The closing shot of Maximus heading through the Elysian fields is a perfect example of how death drives home a storyline and culminates a character's journey. It's "Happily ever after" for the real world.

[@billyroberts6774]

❤

[@Kmodal]

Sure is! In year 2000 we all got sad and angry when he died to that asshole emperor stabing him... But stuff like that is what makes you feel for the characters, its not fair, its brutal, its honest, real and final. Same with braveheart and Ned stark.

[@Ironica82]

​@@KmodalThe way his body was carried away while the Emporer's body was ignore was also a great ending as well.

[@user-uo6nv8pf6k]

Now see prequel gladiator...lol

[@TH3SHUR1F]

I love that the entire video ended on the shot of Elysium’s fields in “Gladiator”; one of the most poignant stories of “embracing death with dignity” in cinema history. “What we do in life echoes in eternity.”

[@dbf1dware]

Good Lord, let's hope it does.

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

Some will call it “actions without consequences,” I call it “lazy writing”

[@redt8311]

The thing is in theory almost every Movie, Show or Book franchise based around the concept of good vs evil can last forever. Unless the concept of evil itself is defeated. If ppl are still supposedly capable of becoming bad in that universe. Than it makes since that inevitably their would eventually be another villain needing to be stoped someday… But reviving old ones villains and extended storylines that are already ended with no sizable loose ends to explore really can hurt the franchise if done wrong.

[@mrworld2112]

i just call it bullshit.

[@gergoretvari6373]

I call it talentless Hollywood hecks

[@dublinoseven3279]

And the person that wrote it is on strike as we speak making demands for more of everything.

[@Shrukin9000]

"When will you learn? When will you learn? THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES" -SammyClassicSonicFan

[@TZ587]

It’s surprising that death is even considered a possibility in storytelling these days, given that modern protagonists have plot armour thicker than the writer’s skulls

[@bandjolyn]

Ha, that's really funny. I'm going to use that one.

[@brandonscott5544]

CHARACTERS DON'T STAY DEAD AT ALL

[@vidard9863]

I've noticed that often if I really like a character, if I also see myself in them, they will be humiliated and then killed off, permanently dead. Clearly the writers personally dislike people like me.

[@peytonmac1131]

In MCU and DCU defense, they're based on comics, and no one is ever allowed to die in comics. That's just staying true to their origins.

[@kingdom1872]

Unless of course your Uncle Ben or Batman parents.

[@aacmbirdzilla2343]

This is one of the reason why I'm so grateful in how mature Stoick's death was in HTTYD, sure, they had a fakeout death in the first movie, but Hiccup had to pay a price for it, he didn't came out of the final battle untouched, he actually lost a limb, and in the sequel when his father died, he STAYED DEAD, his funeral was a turning point in the narrative and was taken serious

[@beksc9209]

Those r my favorite animated movies EVER and they r already gonna remake it "with changes." For sure it's gonna be awful and woke as all get out. They r race-swapping Astrid! If the numbskull writers thought for 2 seconds, they would realize that a black girl in a Viking village only got there by dint of a raid and being made a slave, or the same happening to her ancestor! Not very "politically correct" is that? Hiccup losing his leg hurt. Stoick's death hurt. Hiccup being mature enough to let Toothless go hurt. A lot. Don't screw with these movies! They r perfection!

[@Demonboy238]

​@@beksc9209 I agree the HTTYD movies are fantastic. The franchise wasn't scared of bringing depth and emotion to their characters. The movies done something right if i cry every time i see Stoick die or Hiccup parting ways with Toothless or even getting hyped with the intro of HTTYD2. I will not touch the new remakes because its goanna ruin something so great. The HTTYD franchise is the second best animated trilogy to me, behind the Spider-verse films and closely followed by the first two Kung Fu panda movies.

[@shadowflame8647]

Easily Dreamworks BEST WORK to this day and they still remain to be my favorite animated movies

[@glauberglousger956]

Definitely, even though I didn't like some things about the 2nd and 3rd movie, I understood why they did it (Hidden World is more whole movie theme, where 2 is just Stoick)

[@greeneye5977]

One of the worst things about the Abrams Star Trek movies was we’re supposed to buy that Kirk and Spock have this close friendship without showing why. They go from antagonizing coworkers to Spock losing it at Kirk’s death. Where as when Spock dies in Star Trek II you completely understand Kirk’s heart wrenching grief at losing his friend because you’ve seen that friendship build in the Original Series.

[@agfagaevart]

uhura in love with spock! :-0

[@SammaclauseGamgee]

It's like people both overdo and underdo respect for the Star Trek Original Series. I'm a Star Wars fan, primarily, because I was a child when Voyager was airing, and I watched it with my dad, but Star Wars was just more fun for me. Watching the Original Series, I could appreciate what the essence of Star Trek was. I might like Next Generation, but I tried to watch some of it as a youngling, and it seemed very pretentious to me. I've gotten my bf to watch Farscape with me, so I'll probably be watching Next Generation with him. I really liked the OG Star Trek, though.

[@wm2990]

You missed the part when Nimoy Spock told Pine Kirk that they are supposed to be bffs

[@conormilroy6396]

“Somehow…palpatine returned” I walked out

[@adwarriorlegend1]

Understandable

[@dbsommers1]

After TLJ you should never have come back. That was where you went wrong.

[@baahcusegamer4530]

Blessed art thou. I wish I had.

[@cokemaster3710]

i guarantee you did not, you sat there and watched that dogshit

[@fell9654]

Oscar Isaac tried his hardest to make the line work 😆

[@LordBaktor]

It used to be "dead men tell no tales" and it has devolved into "dead characters sell no tickets".

[@greebj]

Which has resulted in dead characters walking, which is what this video was about

[@SammaclauseGamgee]

"dead men tell no tales..............until they stop being dead" Doesn't sound as good

[@nikolajignatiev6323]

Tell that to George Romero, ha!

[@trevnevit123]

I really like how in a lot of your clips you showed characters who were killed off and DID stay dead, for example Maximum from Gladiator; or, Sirius Black from Harry Potter. It really highlights the extent of the problem you raised, as it makes you think about how shit those movies would have been, if at the end of the film they actually did come back to life somehow. Character deaths are crucial for an interesting and compelling fictional story.

[@carljohan9265]

The visual novel series "Muv-Luv" manages to do this is the worst way possible. It has a "everyone dies" ending and immediately follows it up with an equivalent of an "it was all a dream" ending right after. And that's after it's ignored all the player choices you've been making and forcing you to cuck best girl for worst girl.

[@THEremiXFACTOR]

Gladiator has about four major character deaths. Pretty cool.

[@roobertmaxity]

harry potter had that weird watch thing though that was just randomly forgotten forever it was good enough to save a friggin chicken but not enough to save their friends and loved ones

[@trevnevit123]

@@roobertmaxity I’m pretty sure that watch gets confiscated. Plus, it works on the rules that the users aren’t seen. I’m pretty sure all other character deaths would have been impossible to prevent due them being caught.

[@carljohan9265]

@@roobertmaxity Classic "the writer forgot something that exists" mistake. I've seen it in many places in many IPs.

[@connorzink6137]

Reminds me of the animated movie Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths, where Owlman plots to destroy the entire multiverse and everything in existence because nothing matters due to the sheer fact the multiverse exists in the first place. Interesting how that movie was actually pretty ahead of its time, giving the best criticism of the multiverse trope well before it became popular.

[@StoryTeller8692]

Good thing Disney overcame all this by not letting characters die in the first place, even though they just got run through with a lightsaber. What a genius move.

[@smartgoku9048]

only the women get that treatment with disney, all the male characters end up dead. disney can't write shit worth watching.

[@indrickboreale7381]

Bacta or something

[@Valen-mh9fh]

Lightsaber was set to stun mode

[@Tundra.]

@@Valen-mh9fh"The lightsaber was set to stun!" "Sir, that woman was just _impaled."_ "Nope, she's fine. Just stunned!"

[@StoryTeller8692]

@Valen-mh9fh Ooooh! Well that finally makes some sense. Thank you, sir, you just saved Star Wars!

[@zyphon7]

I think this is also another great example of the maturity of the writers. When I was young I never wanted a story to end and hated when a character died. As I matured I began to realize the importance and beauty of endings, both for stories and characters. It’s not just lazy writing, it’s childish at its core

[@crazyralph6386]

You nailed it. One just has to look around the table of these “writers block” to fully understand why movies and television has gone to shyte? Nothing but 20 something know-it-alls who got the job through nepotism, and have absolutely ZERO life or love experience? They project their own politics, insecurities, biases and narcissism into these stories and characters, which is why the audience cannot connect. In Kathy Kennedys case, all stories must involve a brunette British Mary Sue, to show the men how’s its done!!!

[@MrLind87]

Matured? Those mugheads don't know what that is, in fact I don't believe they're capable of ripe an avocado, even less to write anything resembling a intellectually able adult being.

[@elgato9o]

does that mean we have a severe lack of decent, veteran writers?

[@e.s.channel1526]

Spot on, mate. I remember watching the Terminator die as a kid and wondering why they were so stupid as to kill the main character, unaware that death was precisely what gave the whole story its weight, and that that dramatic and complete closure would stay as one of the most fond movie memories for years to come.

[@harleydavo1099]

As a kid you could have an adventure with your favourite action hero put him back in the box and do it all again the next day, that's fine for a four-year-old.

[@xanderunderwoods3363]

As someone who's lost a lot of loved ones in their life, This particular episode hit hard, what it teaches me the most is that Hollywood does not understand the basic human condition.

[@beatrizbecker3728]

You've said it all, mate. Sorry for your losses. May they be in Peace.

[@jasonsantiago6308]

Not many people remember the old Valiant Comics, but a literal tag line of theirs was "when our heroes die, they stay dead," superimposed over the grave of one of the Harbingers

[@JCGCompositions]

This is why The Critical Drinker has close to 2 million subscribers. He's the voice of every movie fan with a working brain. I find myself shouting every one of his points at my television set, repeatedly.

[@gooble69]

" I find myself shouting every one of his points at my television set, repeatedly." I find myself giving up over all modern mainstream entertainment altogether. I think Black Mirror was the last show or movie I watched that had any sort of originality to it. But even Black mirror was only good until to Season 4 and the Bandersnatch special in 2018. Season 5 and 6 are crap.

[@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother]

It just annoys me that there are so many people who so gracefully consume dogshit media and try to castrate you for pointing out how bad it actually is. I cannot wait for humanity to get over this evolutional hump in our intelligence. It needs to happen sooner rather than later.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

precisely, he gets far too much hatred, it hurts to see other critics bash him, I'm among one of the few KZbin film critics that always vehemently defends him

[@AbrasiousProductions]

@@gooble69 I've given up on most modern media myself and I'm 19, in fact all I watched today was Bonanza & Fraggle Rock

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@Theosake nope.

[@TheComedian1155]

Modern entertainment has become saturday morning cartoons. No stakes, no consequences, and by the end, everything is back to exactly how you started.

[@Contraltissimo]

Bruh that's an insult to Saturday morning cartoons. XD

[@Dyingslow-xf7oj]

I blame Rick and Morty. It's either like responsible for this s*** or we can Morty is the ultimate parody of all crap

[@infinitesimotel]

Saturday morning cartoons were awesome, how dare you compare them to this contemporary vomitous bullshit.

[@ProtoMarcus]

That is an insult to Saturday Morning Cartoons - they were often crafted with care and had a life lesson or proper message in them - modern entertainment is just... Soulless Shit

[@eeg-rh7jv]

​@@ProtoMarcusnot every stories need to have a deep message without it

[@DraQinn]

At least Michelle Rodriguez declined to return to Avatar, “I was like, ‘You can’t do that - I died as a martyr,” she explained. “Jim, I came back in Resident Evil, I wasn’t supposed to. I came back in Machete, I wasn’t supposed to. I came back with Letty, I wasn’t supposed to. We can’t do a fourth, that would be overkill!'”

[@Softpaw1996]

sadly i hated her character in Avatar. I like her as an actor. But i couldn't stand her character. also why weren't she jailed for deserting active combat simply cus she "didn't sign up for this shit"

[@SammaclauseGamgee]

​@@Softpaw1996 answer: Avatar was poorly written

[@Softpaw1996]

@@SammaclauseGamgee indeed. It was visually impressive for its time. But the story was just a copy of other titles. And the plot was mediocre. And the cast... also i never cared about the "blue monkeys" i was team human all the way, Earth is dying, and the "unobtanium" is a resource that helps back on earth.

[@SammaclauseGamgee]

@@Softpaw1996 I mean, I guess. I was team "try to work with the blue guys", but it literally just felt like Pocahontas Dances With Wolves in space due to how obvious the Native American stereotype was, and Cameron didn't help himself with the interviews. It was the drivel you're taught by disingenuous professors in college about American history, without any of the actual redemption arc that even those lies had.

[@timbomb374]

Any time I'm writing something I have two rules for myself. -No reviving the dead -No time travel (Unless the plot revolves around one of those)

[@angrybatarian]

I remember watching the Star Wars scene where what's his name says "Somehow Palpatine returned" and thinking "Ah, so this is what creative bankruptcy looks like"

[@Xeorboom]

I don't really have a problem with bring him back... I have a problem with *how* they brought him back!

[@rasmussolstrand5606]

​@@Xeorboomi agree, they set it up so that palpatine was obsessed with escaping death, the tale of darth plagueis and cloning technology. But god damn they fucked it up bigtime

[@solarsailor1534]

@@rasmussolstrand5606The big reason why they didn’t go more into Palpatine’s revival is because they flat out didn’t plan on it. Rise of Skywalker was written entirely after The Last Jedi was already out, meaning there was no time to foreshadow anything. The entire sequel trilogy was written on the fly with no plans on what to do next.

[@Xeorboom]

@@rasmussolstrand5606 they did it better in Battlefront 2 with the robots

[@42mag]

So i never saw the third movie. The Force Awakens was a pretty terrible movie, but I gave The Last Jedi a chance in theaters and that ended Star Wars for me. Is that really all the explanation given for his return?

[@firstlast9846]

*On a similar note* : Nobody actually dies or story ends anymore. Look at characters like Ahsoka, the creator literally couldn’t let her go so he introduced time travel to be used for the sole purpose of bringing her back.. the characters been alive to see the old republic, empire and new republic and met EVERY character.. it’s bordering on fan fiction.

[@papalaz4444244]

NO I disagree. it IS fanfiction and Ahsoka is one of the worst Mary Sues of all time.

[@darthbinks_79]

@@papalaz4444244 have you seen the clone wars?

[@spritemon98]

I despise that shitty time travel bs.

[@FreeOpenTruth]

But Ashoka didn't have to be put in a certain death situation. Plus, Filoni at least allows Ashoka to grow and learn.

[@FreeOpenTruth]

​@@papalaz4444244- How is she a Mary Sue who went from garbage to greatness over a decade? Explain.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

Thank you for keeping the true meaning in the word critical. Your contribution to society is immeasurable.

[@morningstar9233]

I remember my sisters used to laugh about the shaky plot twists and return of dead characters in the tv soaps they watched, which they knew were bad. Compared to films today those soap stories stand up quite well

[@internet_warlord]

The concept of multiverse was utilized in comics to accomodate new art styles and costume renditions of new illustrators without having to erase the past versions. In movies, it's just used to plug plot holes.

[@troybaxter]

at least Into the Spiderverse did it right.

[@bluetoothpasteman5022]

In comics, there are also so many different storylines and arcs that they cannot all fit into a realistic timeline (no way Batman lived through his 100s of adventures without dying of old age before reaching the end), so a multiverse doesn't really affect the "standard operation" of the comic's premise all that much, whereas films tend not to exist in a timeless vacuum in quite the same way

[@sreenivaskamath4243]

Only the Spider verse films and Everything Everywhere All At Once have done justice to the multiverse concept.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@sreenivaskamath4243 robot head disagrees

[@steeltrap3800]

In order to plug plot holes, one must first have a plot. 🤔🤣

[@REELWORKS12923]

Death is too adult for Disney, identity politics however, are not

[@lisettes.9598]

Yet we all got traumatized by Bambi's mom and she still hasn't come back 😡

[@taags]

And grooming.

[@jessekoepp3928]

@@FragmentJack If you don't like being called groomers, stop grooming children then. That goofy ass "I label thee conservative, therefore I win and you're the bad guy!" only works in your heads and in your echo chambers, not in the real world.

[@valutaatoaofunknownelement197]

Definite for modern Disney, not so much for classic and renaissance Disney. It's interesting how the classic villains often died in unique/memorable/poetic/and in Frollo's case, divinely justified manners.

[@_Boobear_]

Now it is. They used to Revel in death. Most parental figures in their classic films are dead.

[@SergeantJoker168]

I loved the part in Oppenheimer where all of the dead Japanese people come back thanks to Einsteins time travel

[@EmperorPocky396]

“Doesn’t anyone stay dead anymore!?!?” -Arnold Schwarzenegger, last action hero

[@saejinlee6304]

The irony of that line coming from Ah-Nold! Considering how many times the T-800 has been back. Yeah, yeah. I know. He's not human.

[@Sarah_H]

My favorite thing about the Palpatine line is Oscar Isaac's hesitation before he says it "Oh God do I really have to say this...? I'm getting paid millions to say this but do I REALLY have to say this?"

[@Scripture-Man]

If you're under 35, you may not know that Palpatine was originally known as "The Emperor" until he was given a new name in the sucky prequels (which now look like masterpieces thanks to Disney).

[@classifiedtopsecret4664]

Oscar Isaac is such an amazing actor. He really did look like he didn't want to say that line. .

[@Sarah_H]

@@Scripture-Man which adds another layer of WTF-ness because the characters in the sequels should be calling him The Emperor, NOT Palpatine. The sequels take place AFTER the original trilogy, during which he was known solely as The Emperor. If they're calling him Palpatine then why aren't they calling Vader "Anakin"?

[@phosphatepod]

​@@Sarah_Hwhat does this even mean? palpatine is no longer an emperor in the sequel trilogy. people knew anakin as vader by that point. what logic are you even trying to apply? because people in the real world referred to palpatine as "the emperor" when the OT released, the people in the movies should refer to palpatine as "the emperor" in the new movie where he is no longer an emperor?

[@Scripture-Man]

@@Sarah_H Yeah, good point!

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

If death is not a problem, then there are no stakes. And if there are no stakes then what's the point of telling a story nobody can follow with excitement, knowing the character will eventually come back? It's sacrificing the very idea of sacrifice for the sake of money.

[@osmanyousif7849]

Basically the Fast & Furious franchise in a nutshell....

[@fortnitesexman]

one piece has this problem HARD

[@MusicalMarble]

It does, despite being my favorite show. It takes like 300 episodes for a character to die in the anime, but in the live action only 3 episodes. Fortunately because Oda has literally planned 1170+ episodes again he knows who he will need again and who he won’t so he can kill characters in the live action more frequently. It’s going to be more interesting for sure.

[@bewaremycurse]

​@@ChristianHill-ep2homaim them to the point where they're on the brink of death or arrive on deaths door? Lol

[@Thane36425]

Failure of the mission could be a serious problem even if the characters came back to life later. But given the way things are, they'd just time travel to fix it or whatever was going to happen really wasn't that bad after all.

[@rickyrackey7930]

Akira Toriyama: “My characters can’t stay dead.” Hollywood: “Hold my beer.” Edit: Damn, this has aged horribly.

[@supereldinho]

It's all the more ironic considering Toriyama's infamy for making things up as he went along...and yet, somehow even he had the forethought to at least establish the reversibility of death all the way back in the 1980's Dragon Ball.

[@WombatDave]

Honestly, at least with DB when the audience asks, "Wait, why wouldn't the heroes use the magical undo button to fix basically everything that ever goes wrong?" the answer is, "Yes, they do exactly that, because of course they would."

[@rickyrackey7930]

@@WombatDave I was gonna say Muffin Button.

[@mithos789]

he gets it. people just want to watch goku fight.

[@Rishi123456789]

At least in the Dragonball franchise, the Dragonballs can be used to make death permanent. Like, for example, how Goku chose to not be brought back to life at the end of the Cell Saga. Yes, Goku eventually DID come back to life after all because of pressure from the fans, but at least the option of having death be permanent is still there in the Dragonball franchise.

[@HeyItsAJOmega]

On the point of nobody staying dead, I love how hard the Fast and Furious movies bent over backwards to try and keep Han around, even after he was decisively killed off in Tokyo Drift. First they had to set the next bunch of movies before Tokyo Drift for some reason, just so they could plausibly have Han as part of the 'family (TM)'. Then they tried to retcon his death by car accident in Tokyo Drift so that it was actually a deliberate assassination by Deckard Shaw, just so they could introduce a new villain into the franchise and tie in the events of Tokyo Drift which was originally supposed to be a standalone film with nothing to do with the original F&F films. And then eventually they just said screw it and brought Han back anyway, complete with a weaksauce 'oh he actually crawled out of his car and escaped' cop-out explanation for how he survived the original car crash. A car crash in the middle of Tokyo, with thousands of witnesses around, who all saw a car get T-boned, flipped over, land on its roof and EXPLODE INTO FLAMES, but somehow missed seeing Han crawl from the wreckage and escape. I'm almost surprised they haven't found a way to bring back Brian O'Connor yet. You know they'll try.

[@NotTheStinkyCheese]

oh don't worry ... Now that they've successfully used the tech in the Starwars movies we will be seeing more dead actors reprising their roles. It's going to be like that scene in 'Running Man' where they casually replace actors and show the audience a fake fight where the hero dies. I think it was one of the reasons for the recent writers/actors strike ... (although that was more about them wanting more money when Hollywood does that and less about artistic integrity) (btw : CD Project Red are using 'AI' tech to add the voice of a dead voice actor to the expansion for 'Cyberpunk 2077' as the poor guy had died after the initial game was made ... )

[@somethingawesome1462]

I don’t know if you’ve seen the clip of the end of the most recent movie. But they got Paul Walkers brother to reprise Brian and bring him back

[@justlivin2499]

I’ve been trying to write a book for a bit and one rule I’ve always held myself to is… Death is permanent

[@ryanhodge5770]

You need more rules than that... but it is a good one.

[@justlivin2499]

@@ryanhodge5770that’s just one of my many

[@slashbash1347]

@@ryanhodge5770 He said it's ONE rule. He didn't say it's his only one. Here's my rule; Ellipses are only for sentence fragments or omitted words.

[@BenjaminMrBvHHolmberg]

@@slashbash1347 If I may ask, what language do you write in?

[@positivelynegative9149]

Even if you crash your car in a snow storm and your number 1 fan rescues you and nurses you back to health?

[@Zenn_Chan]

The sad thing is Flash Comics used to make a HUGE deal out of this: That you can't just go back in time to solve your problems, because it always causes far WORSE problems. It's why most time travel stories has the protagonists be guardians of the timeline, while the antagonists are the ones trying to use it to change things

[@theunknowncommenter725]

I actually do remember in The Flash TV series on the CW (I only watched the first three seasons) that they actually did address that.

[@MarvinHartmann452]

Just like back to the future.

[@nobody8717]

So Reverse-Flash is the hero, and Flash is the anti-hero in the modern remake? Neat. "We" are cheering for the badguys. And people still can't understand how people actually fought FOR evil in the past, historically.

[@silenthill4]

I'm always started when I have to interact with time cops. They can never tell you anything, but somehow they know you're involved with...something.

[@Zenn_Chan]

@@nobody8717 I've not seen the movie, but the story it's based on (The Flashpoint Paradox) was Flash learning that moral lesson. That he can't just time travel to save his mother who died when he was a kid. Sure, he makes that mistake and it's the driving force of the movie, but that doesn't make him a villain. It's how he LEARNS that he mustn't mess with the timeline.

[@McClure27]

2:39 I lost it 🤣

[@fullmetalpoitato5190]

I know it was just a few seconds on the screen but I was really happy to see you referencing The Last of the Mohicans. The pain and loss displayed by Chingachgook after his son Uncas dies is a very powerful and moving experience for me no matter how many times I see it. Vengeance, no JUSTICE was served that day but it's all for not because with Uncas's death Chingachgook is now the Last of the Mohicans. Their line ends with him. I cannot think of a more powerful death in media besides maybe Bram Stoker's Dracula when Gary Oldman's (FLAWLESS) Dracula allows his reincarnated soulmate Mina/Elisabetha to drive the knife through his heart to end centuries of pain and lonelyness. Modern movies suck!

[@satanofficial3902]

The preferred term nowadays is "alive-challenged" instead of "dead". Thank you for your cooperation.

[@legitlyspelunking]

"Character who was resurrected", not "resurrected character" because we put the person first 🤡

[@Olliethelabradane]

Hahaha!

[@reading_MOVIES]

The term you are looking for is the "living impaired"

[@jimcollins9814]

🤣@@reading_MOVIES

[@Flitalidapouet]

" Do you wanna know more? " Starship Troopers.

[@genebaker511]

One thing you got to appreciate George Lucas is that in his Star Wars, when characters die they stay dead. And that their death had meaning.

[@matthewdenmark5490]

I mean, sort of…he did have people come back as ghosts

[@festo512]

Boba fett Darth maul Emperor

[@muznick]

Except for Darth Maul. Put in the trailers to get butts in the seats and he's killed off in 5 minutes of screen time.

[@mannings.8474]

@@festo512Those resurrections were all Disney or Dave Filoni in Star Wars TCW series. None of those were Lucas’s idea. Maul was sliced in half. Filoni should have left him alone but they wanted to capitalize on how popular he was as a “cool bad guy”

[@festo512]

@@mannings.8474 it was george idea to bring back darth maul. Under lucas boba fett and emperor both came back in dark empire.

[@BattlewarPenguin]

I think that's what made Game of Thrones so sucessful, you knew that your fav character could die at any moment, not because they were seeking death but because they lived in a hostile world and their struggle felt real. Not that they should focus on realism but if they are willing to resurrect someone it should be treated as a great deal. It makes me remember the dialogue Q had with Picard about the Borg first encounter, Picard complained about the heads up of the Borg because some of his crew died. And Q reply yeah, it's not safe out here. Implying there are things you cannot control, and you cannot have exploration without risk which was what they were ignoring.

[@bdleo300]

'I think that's what made Game of Thrones so successful"... and then Jon returned from death.... and Arya can't even die (because plot armour). But yeah, it did make first few seasons great (among other things), and the change in writing made last few seasons even worse, because you knew there were characters that simple couldn't die: you can throw 1000000 zombies at them and they still survive.

[@BattlewarPenguin]

​@@bdleo300 There is a lot to be improved as the show ends, Jon's resurrection isn't the worst handlement, but it could have been built better and handled with better care with several other things. I remember how excited I was with the Night King but it was rather underwhelming how they dealt with the threat built throughout the seasons. And if it was as consistent as earlier seasons I would have liked it more.

[@willbrogan2284]

Outside of the absolutely bad ass entrance and line of “So tell me, what’s become of my ship?” from Barbossa’s return in POTC2, I completely agree.

[@CJamesEnglish]

"But death makes me uncomfortable, so let's not let characters die." - modern movie makers and audiences cannot sit with uncomfortable truths.

[@LillyLou]

I have to admit, I'm a part of that audience 😅 I remember I sat through most of HTTYD 2 and 3 and just hoped that Stoic would somehow return. But his death was gutwrenching and well done because it was so sudden, yet had an enormous impact on the rest of the franchise.

[@danielduncan6806]

It is a matter of self-loathing. The inability to deal with, get over, and/or move past It is a mental defect.

[@LillyLou]

@@danielduncan6806 Thanks, I guess 😅

[@danielduncan6806]

@@LillyLouI wasn't talking to you, dummy. See that @-thing there? That means I am talking to you. Otherwise; not.

[@marceelino]

​@@LillyLouyou should watch older movies to learn how to process grief of a movie character. When your parent(s) die, most of the time it's up to you do deal with everything. There is no way to stop the time and deal with your loss. You need to to walk forward and learn to live it with.

[@yujiro424]

The bigger issue is that nothing is allowed to end. Stories go on and on until they are no longer profitable at which point they are put on ice until they feel enough time has passed for nostalgia to overcome the previous disappointment.

[@willer3399]

Well said.

[@Yan33688]

It's not more about good art and stories, but profit of things you loved. Star Wars is dead to me.

[@richardhockey8442]

stories that go on until they become threadbare, you can see through them, unable to move the viewers or generate tension or suspense because you know the main character will never fail, never die and will never learn or evolve.

[@CornbreadOracle]

This

[@gunkulator1]

It's part and parcel to any and all series from any media: tv, movie, novel or comic book. The whole point is that they don't end and you're just not supposed to think about it too much. Otherwise you're left thinking, hey, just how old is James Bond anyway? or Nancy Drew, or Batman.

[@giulizpaviz6381]

Absolutely agree, I really hate when a movie/tv show or a video game gives their audience a very dramatic scene about the death of a character but then voilà they are back like nothing happens. It really ruins all the feeling of when we were crying for their death

[@casedistorted]

I cried at the end of Terminator 2 because the MACHINE that learned the value of human life and protecting someone he 'cared' about, that John also saw as a Father, was a very touching moment. I appreciated that in Terminator 3 it was a new machine and the humorous moments that it brought with a different Terminator, who could potentially learn the same values that the one in T2 did. But would never be that cool, of course. I remember seeing that movie while living in Japan, the movie had Japanese subtitles but english audio. So I enjoyed it quite a bit, it had some really good action for the big screen.. but it was a bit much tbh. By that point I was getting worn out. I liked the new idea for Terminator: Salvation, but it seemed no one else did. I did love how they tried to make everything fit into the story, and the world was dark and dreary and depressing. But new ideas did not work so they went back to recycling the same stories.

[@SammaclauseGamgee]

Is Salvation the one that took place in the apocalyptic future with young Reese and older John? I remember liking that one because John struck up a friendship with the father he never knew and had to send him back in time, knowing he would die, in order to preserve the timeline that led to a human resistance. I was also pretty young when I watched it, but I liked it.

[@adamholt5395]

In the 90s there was a comic book company called Valiant Comics. They had a great tag line in there ads that said "Valiant comics, where dead characters stay dead." That is such a great tag line. It made you wonder who was going to die and you knew if they died they weren't coming back.

[@MrLind87]

It's "their" and not "there" but yeah, that's a nifty slogan.

[@garretthintz4154]

Can you recommend a series from Valiant Comics?

[@FluxExplorer]

@@garretthintz4154I enjoyed Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, XO Manowar, and Magnus: Robot Fighter. I always thought valiant had the stories and image had the pretty pictures.

[@richardtela]

Magnus: Robot Fighter and XO Manowar were my favorites...

[@iqbalindaryono8984]

​@@MrLind87my dude, what?

[@rgentum_201]

I'm glad you included a couple scenes from Harry Potter, because as much as it's viewed as a kid's franchise, the deaths of the characters held massive weight, were treated with extreme respect in the story, and fans are still grieving for those characters all these years later.

[@hyperlyrics3745]

I legit cried twice when Dobby died, while reading the book and watching the movie.

[@gonkdroid8279]

Agreed, the weight of deaths in Potter is one of its strongest elements and one of the major reasons so many people resonate with the series

[@KJ-of6lf]

Reading the books, I refused to believe that Dumbledore died; that it was some kind of a long con of his.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

​@@KJ-of6lf #MeToo

[@mSeve295]

“No spell can awaken the dead, Harry.” Goblet of Fire. Rowling set the tone for that in the Philosopher’s/Sorcerer’s Stone & to her credit, held to it.

[@colorin81colorado]

Of all your videos I think this one can be labelled "pure gold" and it is one I will revisit in months and years to come. Thank you Critical Drinker, I wish I had the money to compensate you for all your hard work and clear analysis of current pop culture issues! Cheers from us here in Brisbane Australia!

[@LoneBerseker]

The "death scene" in Watchmen had me in shock, a breath of fresh air! Such a great scene..👌

[@tumulovermelho93]

I think THE biggest fear a child has is losing their parents. It's the reason Mufasa's death was so tragic and, in my opinion, Littlefoot's mom was even worse in The Land Before Time. As sad as these scenes were, they do the important job of making the audience confront uncomfortable things that go beyond the movie's story, it's part of the human experience and media helps people think about what events like that would do to you but in a healthy way. I have no idea what children growing up on current media are learning...

[@achtungfox]

Back when Disney knew that, even in children's storytelling, you needed a traumatic event to establish the goals and motivation for our protagonist and to get the audience invested in their journey. The death of Bambi's mom comes to mind as well. When he calls for her after those final gun shots, still makes me cry

[@slashskii]

@@achtungfox Bambi`s mom and Mufasa will return in another sequel, don`t you worry

[@peterc3262]

Nah. Land Before Time was wayyyyy too traumatic. I tried to watch it with my niece, and I felt awful for even putting it on. It's an insanely cruel thing to show a child, and it's amazing how many films from that time were. Watched Beethoven lately? Do you remember what the antagonist was doing? That's right, he was testing a new line of bullets on the heads of people's dogs. It shows you the dogs crying in cages while he explains he is going to shoot them all to test his bullets. They might not die, just be terribly injured. Seriously, kids should never have been shown half the stuff we were. Coincided strangely with the introduction of SSRIs to teenagers who were shown all this stuff as children.

[@JoyfulNoiseLiving]

@@slashskii😂

[@MCMcMic]

@@peterc3262 So, you're saying there's a correlation between the amount of teens on antidepressants and the cartoons they watched as children? Reach much? Get a grip. Yeah, I'm sure it had everything to do with children's cartoons and not drug companies trying to make a profit. Have you heard of the opioid epidemic? I'm sorry the media you consumed as a child made you feel feelings other than, "Yay!" and "Cool!" you poor thing. Because empathy is bad, right?

[@ThatBoeing747Guy]

“Somehow, Palpatine returned” will go down in history as the worst line of dialogue in film history. And I am all for it.

[@shadowpriest2574]

Why ? Because its in Star Wars and you love it , while the line is disrespectfull to what you love ?

[@Radius284]

It's right up there with the opening crawl from TFA: "Luke Skywalker has gone into hiding like a punk ast lil beyatch!"

[@xcyan_lilyx5788]

At least it’s so bad that it’s kinda hilarious. It’s meme worthy

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

The worst line in history...so far

[@j.c.jeggis1818]

@@shadowpriest2574 lol chill. They mean they're all for the line going down as the worst in history.

[@Alan_Edwards]

When I think of some of my favorite movies where the main character dies in the end, it's that feeling of loss and wanting to see it end a different way so they survive, that sticks with you and plants a special place in your heart. When they are bought back to life for whatever reason, it cheapens the feelings and memories of the original...forever !!

[@taln0reich]

one thing to consider about the difference between spocks death in star trek 2 and kirks death in nuTrek is also, that there was a completly different audience expectation. When Spock died in star trek 2, Leonard Nemoy had basically just agreed to come back for that movie to give his character a good send-off, and this was making the audience truly believe they were seeing the final moments of that character (Spock just got brought back because the movie was so good that Leonard Nemoy agreed to bring the character back). Meanwhile, when Kirk died in nuTrek, no one in the audience really believed that death would stick, and having it undone just minutes later made the whole thing come as as particulary cheap. Essentially, spocks death in old trek felt real, because in some sense it was.

[@liamphibia]

Moral of the Story: If a hero/villain has an emotional/satisfying and impactful end to their character, and there's no point to continuing their stories Do. Not. Bring. Them. Back.

[@kronozord8346]

But how about money?

[@liamphibia]

@@kronozord8346 *Temptation Alert!*

[@1beatcher]

Superman: says you

[@themartywilson]

Not only the reserection of characters but the amazing ability to shrug off fatal wounds and bullets.

[@DrCognitive]

Like taking a lightsaber that has a heat of 20,000°F through the gut that you not only don't die from, but you're athletically running around and fighting without issue about a week later?

[@robm8809]

"Reserection" sounds like something sexual to me, haha.

[@RhysCallinan-wc9fi]

​@@DrCognitiveReva surviving it not only once, but twice coupled with the fact she was, like, ten or something when she got her first stab is the biggest bullshit if all these stabbings. Second to the Inquisitor who looked dead during the scenes after, not moving, breathing or blinking, or even groaning in pain.

[@gonkdroid8279]

Like in Black Widow where she just falls off a tall building and shrugs it off

[@tach5884]

@@RhysCallinan-wc9fi Clearly everyone in the galaxy is a droid with fake memories. Just root for the Vong.

[@kuriosites]

An example of a death that was really powerful was Henry Blake in MASH. He was a beloved character for three years and they killed him off, telling the audience that, yes, it's a funny show but this is set in a war. I think Buffy also handled deaths quite well. They killed off a few characters throughout the series, which made the audience feel like the risks were real. Even when they resurrected Buffy, after she died in Season 5, there were real consequences that reverberated throughout all of the next season.

[@josepherhardt164]

The actor didn't want to renew his contract, so the writers drama-ed him out. IIRC.

[@joringedamke5597]

Thanks for mentioning MASH.

[@kuriosites]

@@josepherhardt164 You are right but they wrote the story with Henry going home and then shocked the audience with his plane being shot down. One of the many times that MASH was able to smoothly transition between comedy and very serious topics.

[@cpob2013]

​@@kuriositesapparently they got flooded with hate mail from people upset over it

[@talithakoum3922]

Blake's death was a last-minute addition to the script. Apparently the last scene of that episode originally had Radar entering the OR to tell everyone that Blake had safely made it home. The actors (other than Alan Alda, who was also a writer) had no idea of the change until they filmed the scene. So the shock in Radar's voice is real, and Frank Burns tearing up is Larry Linville's spontaneous reaction.

[@zennjimm]

Preach! This is why I can't even with most modern movies nowadays. There's a subset of bring out your dead that is just as annoying and that's what I call - it's only a scratch. I'm tired of watching people get hit full force in the head with a steel pipe wrench and then getting up with a scratch. People are getting shot, stabbed and beaten to within an inch of their life then coming back and whooping the asses of multiple henchmen like they just took a time out. And don't get me started with superheroes. Once they start throwing each other into buildings I'm like - did that even hurt? I'm not invested because I don't know what - if anything - anybody feels anymore. Is the answer these movies need a health meter on the characters like a video game? You just did a piece on that Ahsoka character getting RUN THROUGH with a friction' LIGHT SABER and she's OK after a day in the hospital and I guess, an IV of electrolytes? When people don't die and can't get hurt, what's the MFing point?

[@MrGhosta5]

Edge of Tomorrow did dying and time travel really well. What really helped was that they limited the time travel and reviving to a very limited set of rules.. You had to first get infected by the alien blood. If you die while infected by the alien blood you only go back to the start of the day. If you receive human blood you lose the powers. The movie does a good job of showing Tom Cruise learn from each of his deaths and use the information he learned from the future.

[@anubusx]

I know someone who likes that film because Tom Cruise dies a lot in it.

[@j.macjordan9779]

@@anubusx -- I really like the film because Emily Blunt is so damn perfect & infinitely dreamy.... ... ... *long sigh ... uh! Anyway; her only fault is her choice of husband -- I mean, John Krasinski & not me...?!! What the hell was she thinking?!

[@ironwolfosiris]

And I like how on top of it, they did it all with a really good sense of humor too. I love how many times Tom Cruise got killed in goofy ways only to respawn and go back to the start like a video game checkpoint😆 especially Emily shooting him dead repeatedly, hahahahaha. Definitely a well done movie.

[@gastronomist]

You gotta have rules. If anything can happen, nothing is interesting.

[@smolkafilip]

Because in Edge of Tomorrow, the reviving is a part of the problem the hero faces, rather than being a lazy solution for writers who cant come up with a new hero.

[@VinceA-jq6ds]

The death of Spock is one of the most moving scenes I've watched. First, a beloved character that I came to know as a kid watching reruns of the original series. What really made it powerful was Kirk's reaction. Always a man of action who always managed to pull it off lost a close friend and was completely devastated by that loss. Say what you will about William Shatner's acting style, he nailed that scene and made it very real.

[@ashurmom2969]

Amen 🖖🏼

[@Songbirdstress]

It worked because it was true, Nimoy didn't want to come back and we all knew it.

[@BeforeMoviesSucked]

I always contrast the impact of that scene with modern "Women Crying in Space Trek." Oh, look, Michael Burnham's crying. Again. No one cares. But then Kirk's voice breaks for half a syllable: "His was the mo-ost... human." It was the rarity that made the moment so much more impactful.

[@whatevergoesforme5129]

@@SongbirdstressWell, Nimoy did come back and I like how his character was brought back. He also did a cameo for the new Star Trek movie. It was Harrison Ford who really did not want to come back as Han Solo and wanted his character dead in the original trilogy.

[@gastronomist]

Shatner is a bit OTT as an actor but he pulled that scene off perfectly.

[@aloispoth9859]

Maan you really hit the nail on the head with this one. I‘ve had this annoyance with random resurrections for a long time but was never quite able to articulate it.

[@williamfincher2260]

The thing about Spock's death and resurrection is that not even the main characters fully understood the power of the genesis process that had been created. They showed Spock coming out of the coffin after he landed on the planet at the end of the movie, instead of him mysteriously coming to life in the sequel, and they had an explanation in the sequel that worked with the previous movie.

[@TohirT]

Dude, that final sequence of characters and their last moments was heart wrenchingly beautiful. 😢

[@MasterHall117]

One I think should be included was Church from Red vs Blue… probably one of the saddest character “deaths” that genuinely made me cry… I quote death because Burnie Burns just came back to properly end Red vs Blue

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

Oh that’s what that was? I didn’t realize. Explains the sudden stauffenburg at 9:22. What a chad

[@thatnobodyguy1535]

It hit me hard in "Legend" His depiction of isolation warping his mind, & the dog in the lab. Back when Will Smith was actually great in movies.

[@fyfyi6053]

I think you meant "SAD" lol you ppl watch so much drama that you're starting to confuse sadness with beauty which is the most opposite thing imaginable.

[@MentalBloopers]

Isn’t there a reason that melancholy is associated with beauty?

[@tombaillie5219]

The closing 'Over the Top' scene in the final episode of the WW 1 'Blackadder' series is truly one the most wrenching Death of established characters moments in TV history; an untuned piano tinkles softly, then fades to silence over a view of a vast field of blood-red poppies...

[@johnforster5312]

The final scene of Peter Weir's Gallipoli is much like this: one of the protagonists fails to get to the trenches in time to stop the charge and the men go over the top to all be cut down in swathes. The protagonist, Archie Hamilton, is left running alone with no rifle. He cops a burst of machine gun fire to the chest, the frame freezes. Then fades to black. Damn it's powerful.

[@DamienDarkside]

I am not British, but I always felt like it was just a good way to end the series. BA and the crew technically die in every era they were in weren't they? This ending still had a great finish to it. imho, it was the most "modern" they could get with BA with it still being "funny" in the 1980s. Everything modern was still too fresh, they couldn't do WW2, or 'Nam, and the Falklands War was literally the year before. Cold War was still going super strong. They got as far as they could and ended the series on the highest note possible.

[@VideoDotGoogleDotCom]

@@DamienDarksideI agree it was a good point to end the series, but surely they could have continued with something that had nothing to do with wars.

[@N.i.c.k.H]

Intrestingly, it wouldn't even be an inconvenience to have another series of Blackadder because it was a different character in every series anyway. The only unexplained plot contrivance is when each Blackadder fathers an heir and with whom. (Actually, that is at least plausible. The utterly implausible bit is how Baldrick ever fathers an heir) 😆

[@cvn6555]

I don't think they die in one of the series. They all end up in Queen Lizzie's throne room after a night of drunken debauchery at the conclusion of that one.

[@MarkRVillano]

Bringing these characters back to life is not enough to resurrect films and franchises we stopped caring about twenty years ago. Correction: It's not that we stopped caring about them; it's that we were happy to just enjoy the memories, and let them rest in peace. "You can never go home again." --- Thomas Wolfe ---

[@lightweightjive]

I just watched tos again and I think there’s truly something to working with smaller budgets, and depending entirely on the vision of the project, and streamlined writing built directly off the core vision. The point made about multiverses is something in the comic book world my uncle and I have been discussing for years now. I mean there are a few standout examples like spider verse but for your core franchise, it’s a death sentence.

[@acrylicgodoy]

This is what Edge of Tomorrow and other movies with a loop story got right... Even though their main character keeps coming back to life, there is a huge stake involved, and a traumatic wearing down of the protagonist, seeing how no matter what they do, they can't escape their fate of resurrection when everybody they care about dies around them

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Love this movie. Also great role of Emily 🙂

[@NotaNazgul]

Yes. Like also in "altered carbon", the concept of immortality can be explored extremely deep and well. If it is not just used on the side to milk emotions for lack of better ideas. It is funny how Tarantino actually perfected playing with the audience's feelings. But he does it with authentic ideas, while telling a great story. So also this emotional play can actually be done great. The only thing that simply does not work is being cheap and bad as a writer. And I am pretty sure it is more the decision takers than the writers who go for all these bland, risk-reduced non-ideas.

[@narcleptik]

Exactlyyy well put

[@CloudyNebula]

I remember something that is told in the making-of DVD of the Legendary Edition of Halo 3. The composer, Marty O'Donnell, explains that the first version of the story had no real punch to it, and he managed to convince the team that they should kill Sargeant Johnson, an absolute fan favorite, in a last heroic scene near the end of the game. The sentence he used to explain his vision has been echoing inside my head since 2007: "There are no heroic actions if they do not come with heroic consequences" Such a brilliantly simple idea. If nothing is at stake, then you are no hero. You are just playing it safe.

[@Wesmoen]

This is why people dislike The last of Us Part II, they killed important characters without any pay off. Just to have a twist.

[@estonhall5364]

Crazy to me that the composer was the voice of narrative reason in that situation and not...I dunno, the writers?

[@dimesonhiseyes9134]

I literally gasped at that scene. Broke my covenant killing heart.

[@TheSmartboy64]

I was not a fan of how he went down. However, damn does the scene stick and make the war against Covenant have meaning.

[@bmulally]

Thank you for this excellent explanation. You gave voice to the way I feel though I lacked the words to express it.

[@The_Modeling_Underdog]

Some powerful words and final moments there, mate. Feek, not even a Harry Potter fan, but Dobby's death suckerpunched me at the time. I think this next weekend should suffice for a marathon of good deaths. Or at least some of the ones you've shown here. Cheers.

[@jamie_d0g978]

I love how villains keep somehow returning, but heros can be killes off camera and it's perfectly fine

[@vilefly]

"Say....I've got an idea. Let's build a movie around a villain!" She then creamed him with the electric toaster while vehemently spewing profanity.

[@releasemindssecondlast1802]

I think the opposite is the trend these days ...

[@adamkares7549]

The Villains are the Hero's now it seems like. And not in an ironic anti-hero sort of way, I mean that main Hero characters today are literally written the way a movie villain would have been not that long ago. Self-absorbed, narcassistic, power hungry, views themselves as perfect and can do no wrong, knows everything and does everything well no matter how much training or anything. Then they wonder why this crap bombs over and over and over again now.

[@joelgittens6857]

Cough Frieza😷

[@johngleeman8347]

You can bring a villain back, but you better think of a damn good reason for how they managed to crawl their way into the land of the living, and provide that context to the audience at some point in the story.

[@NASkeywest]

The biggest movie franchise i history, by the most wealthy powerful studio on earth…had an entire writers room say, “How do we explain to the audience how Palpatine returned?” And the answer of the highest paid writers ever was “…write down ‘somehow’”

[@justin188541]

"A good story for another time". - Maz Kanata, when asked how she came to possess Luke's original lightsaber. We never got that story.

[@philipplinke5492]

Its not like we had lore from legends that explained it, but to use it would mean we must open the trash can where we put it in...

[@vincentdesjardins1354]

Just a bunch of overpaid egotistic wannabe writers looking down on their audience and thinking "They're just dumb f**ks anyway, they'll watch the movie and buy the merch' " makes me sad

[@mikeid3067]

the issue was wanting to bring him back in the first place. Kylo Ren was set up perfectly to be the big bad in movie 3.

[@scottyhehehe5367]

This is a bit disingenuous. In that scene, they surmised some of the ways the Sith may have learned to cheat death, but they weren't certain because Palpatine had done all these things in secret for years. They were just facing up to the fact that Palpatine had indeed returned, but not sure how, since they knew he died on the second death star.

[@ChristopherMallow]

This might be one of your most insightful and profound videos. Thank you for your work.

[@mithos789]

really? super heroes have always had this problem. what happens when batman ends joker. people stop buying comics. we must bring him back.

[@ethereal_winterly]

It’s important to also acknowledge that it probably isn’t always the writers' fault. I think the marketing team (knowing they will get more reactions through something big and unexpected) force weird plot points into the plot while not respecting the writers will.

[@ethereal_winterly]

@@ithecastic Indeed it is writers'. You're quite picky concerning words I guess. I don't know how "writers" would point to meaning anything but defending them though.

[@SwashBuccaneer]

The Green Mile always stuck with me because it was such a powerful and emotional death. I remember even my dad tearing up, and that was so unlike him. Now a days, death means nothing in these bland films.

[@TheKnellBelle]

The Green Mile has got to be one of the best films ever made.

[@IreneWY]

Till the last second I wanted to believe that they would find a way to save him. It was heartbreaking.

[@Amoschp524]

Probably one of, if not the best film that handles the theme of death.

[@WolframHeart-xp2px]

Maybe you just needed some minutes to process it, or maybe it was the repercussion of his life in another's life.

[@mfbias4048]

Death is something that will happen to us all but modern safetyism represses it, covers everything in sugar and rainbows (literally with our food and our ideology) to present a world that seems to have no hardship which is a lie

[@ShadowOfCicero]

I remember watching Infinity War and having the thought that when Dr. Strange said, "It was the only way.", what he really meant was, "If we don't kill off half the cast, we won't be able to afford the sequel!"

[@westwoodnik]

My personal theory is that Strange saw LOTS of possible endings where they won but intentionally steered events toward savings ALMOST everyone (Loki still dead, Gamora from another universe and Nebula pulls a Teal'c-like "ours is the only reality of consequence" move) and killing all the bad guys but ALSO getting rid of a man he disliked. Respected, sure, but remember for all his moralicious hoity-toitiness he's still human.

[@alienspaceshaman]

How do you kill half of an infinite universe anyway? There's no half of infinity. Thanos reason for doing this didnt even make any sense, what he's saving them from overpopulation like his homeworld? Those movies are based on nonsense, people love em

[@Checryan]

I remember watching infinity war and being disgusted at the end of the movie because instead of having a bunch of meaningful and powerful sacrifices I instantly knew that the next movie would undue all of those deaths instantly negating any meaning that those deaths had. I had been a fan of the MCU up until that point. That is when I really tired of the MCU though. I still watched Endgame, and it played out more or less how I knew it would. So dissapointing.

[@IreneWY]

​@@alienspaceshamanthanos is a fanatic. They don't operate based on logic

[@arnelarboleda2870]

My god, people here dont get this outstanding joke.

[@calthemann]

Good to see how many modern scriptwriters have taken their inspiration from The Bard himself - Our latest masterwork is indeed 'A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.'

[@fenmoods]

I agree with your point that bringing characters back to life is cheap. Although I think Gamorah's death is an excemption. The Gamorah that came back was not the "real" Gamorah. She has a different personality. Quill was devastated when "real" Gamorah died and his devastation didn't just vanish in the return of the "new" Gamorah. He was left trying to look for his Gamorah hoping to get his lover back only to be disappointed that his "real" Gamorah is actually really dead. Kinda sad actually.

[@glennwatson3313]

So many great death scenes in Harry Potter but the one that gets me the most is the death of Cedric and his father's mournful cry, "My Boy!"

[@sianais]

That hit extra hard since I hadn't read the books and didn't know it was coming. He started bawling, Harry was in tatters, and the realization that no potion would cure him hit like a boulder. I hear his voice even now.

[@corycampbell4203]

Yep, that cry was epic

[@indy_go_blue6048]

That and Dobby's death (the book IMO much stronger) really touched me, especially the final quiet "Harry Potter" like that said everything there was for him to say. Both were handled super well.

[@Deridus]

Nothing is more painful than losing a beloved child. Knife the elf with his own ear!

[@npcimknot958]

Ya that was sad.. and i doin’t like Harry Potter lol.. but the fact a kid died trying to protect another.. and doesn’t come back.. it’s a hard hit in a magical world.. when you have deathly hollows and friends.. Kinda like in a game.. and your revive doesn’t work.. omfg.. i reset 😂

[@artemisia4718]

The only character that could be endlessly resurrected without losing the intrigue and freshness was The Doctor. When the series had good writers, that is.

[@gonkdroid8279]

Thankfully RTD is coming back to write

[@ocarinaplaya]

@@gonkdroid8279 Even with Davies the series is dead.

[@terrystewart1973]

@@gonkdroid8279 I'm not sure what RTD can do with the show at this point. It'll limp along for nostalgia reasons for a couple of years, but I think that's it, unless they can find a (believable) way of negating everything Chib and Whitaker did to the show.

[@Arcorias]

Perfectly analyzed, Critical Drinker! It's all about creative bankruptcy. Consequently, Hollywood is mostly a big recycling producer now, creating prequels of prequels for once beloved franchises but destroying the original canon or creating sequels full of CGI and special effects hoping they will cover the huge plotholes. However, at the end, these are only a shadow of the earlier movies - by exploding production and marketing costs 🤦‍♂. And then they wonder why the audience is losing interest.

[@shaunk6822]

"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die"

[@jazzatiff9460]

You hit the nail on the head about multiverses..it ruins tension, suspense and kills immersion and it’s just lazy writing. It murders the continuity for everyone involved but Hollywood just can’t seem to understand that at all…almost like they have no self awareness 🤔

[@dustman96]

All they care about is profit. In fact, our whole society is becoming that way, and it is profoundly disturbing.

[@bronwynbeistle8317]

The Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror" did it well, and then there were a million sucky uses of it.

[@devonmarr9872]

Endgame and Spiderverse have been the only instances of the multiverse being used where it is enjoyable and makes some sense. This is primarily because each of these give themselves strong limitations resulting in several character's perma deaths.

[@runajain5773]

​@@devonmarr9872and have different villain

[@deadturret4049]

Eric July did a video about that too. Its the media equivalent of "its just a prank bro".

[@shapesnatch1341]

Lord of the Rings when Amazon makes another sequel: "Somehow Sauron has returned"

[@newtpondskipper]

And more powerful than ever! Now he has two rings!

[@gergoretvari6373]

Harry Potter 8 (or 9): somehow Voldemort returned, and so did Cedric.

[@Tigerfire75]

They could instead bring back Melkor or Morgoth

[@beatrizbecker3728]

You got me laughing out loud with this comment :D

[@someguy2972]

BLOODY WELL PUT! This might be your best video yet.

[@stephenedavis7]

This may be the best video you've ever done. You hit the nail on the proverbial head.

[@PrinceJoshTheGreat]

Han from F&F is an egregious one. He died in an accident in Tokyo Drift. It’s then retconned that he was killed intentionally by Jason Statham. 2 movies later he shows up eating chips like nothing ever happened, with zero explanation. Even for F&F it’s a whole new level of ridiculous.

[@murilloironman]

It’s explained in either F9 or F10….the Han that “died” in Tokyo drift was a hologram….complete garbage excuse

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Nothing ever happens to them. Paul Walker is the only one that can't be brought back.

[@gamingweasel4633]

@@A_KZbin_Commenter Oh just wait...I would not be surprised if CGI Paul Walker appeared in the next movie.

[@mbob4337]

I'm still wondering why after all the characters not dying in FF. Jessie hasn't come back.

[@acerimmer8338]

They also pulled that shit with Lettie. I was so glad when she died; worst character in the franchise. But nope! Somehow Lettie returned!

[@RU-qv3jl]

Do you know what is really frustrating dear Drinker? That the narrative of your 10 minute video is far better in every way than what Hollywood can put out these days with their massive budgets. Even if I know the ending, it’s still better and more entertaining than any movie I’ve seen of late… Thanks for making movies suck even more :D

[@fakecomedyandtheabsurd2527]

This ^^

[@JoyfulNoiseLiving]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@JohnyPaprikas]

10:22 what do you mean that this year they're going to learn that the hardest way possible? Is there an upcoming movie that's going to mess up something for them that I'm not aware of? Thanks for any clarification.

[@tarzantabi7845]

@@JohnyPaprikas you already answered your own question we had at least three multiverse related films released Spiderverse, ant man, and the flash and gues what spiderverse was the only success (because it was the only good film of the three) the rest where failures. it proves that the multiverse as a concept is no longer relevant or fascinating anymore, and the studios learned it the hard way. so yes drinker is right my dear friend

[@danhat606]

Dang bruv you went hards on this one! Love it!

[@kristofnagy5829]

I think "Travelers" handled time travel quite well. As a physicist, it always bothered me, that by time travel, displacing mass trough spacetime would require insane amount of energy. In Travelers, only information travels but physical materials don't. That's a scientifically lot more plausible way, and my brain rejects it a little less.

[@pachacutti1012]

"Sadly, I died . . . but I lived!" - Buck from Ice age 3, felt like this quote summarized this problem in modern movies.

[@Thena_the_Grey]

Or like Alien: Resurrection, "So I heard you, like, ran into these things before?" "That's right" "Wow, man. So, like, what did you do?" "I died"

[@pattiwarren5531]

When I first watched the force awakens and witnessed Han Solo's death, it honestly shocked me and brought me to tears. It made me reflect on Han as a character and how much I loved him in the OT even though he wasn't my favorite favorite character. On the flip side, even though I despise the sequel trilogy, I thought about when Luke said "No one is really gone." and took it to mean that our loved ones live on in our hearts and minds. Little did I realize that was Disney-code for "We're bringing back a long dead antagonist because we've run out of ideas!" Rise of Skywalker was so awful.

[@ConceptJunkie]

I spent the whole scene wondering if the movie was going to actually do the most trite and cliched thing possible by having Kylo Ren kill Han Solo. That it happened had no emotional impact for me, because I was already taken out of the story by wondering at how bad the writing would be.

[@nathank2289]

No one is really gone [Palpatine laughs]... How did you manage to misread that?

[@salazam]

woman moment

[@scottydu81]

Fun fact: in the expanded universe, Chewbacca was the only original main character to die

[@salazam]

@@scottydu81 1. No one reads Salvatore dude, Zahn and Stackpole are cannon. 2. It's not called "expanded universe" anymore, it's called "legends". Get with the times.

[@Rishi123456789]

I completely agree with everything that you have said in this video, Critical Drinker. I don't like the fact that no-one can seem to stay dead anymore in modern movies (or at least in modern Hollywood movies) and I think that just proves that Hollywood itself can't seem to come to terms with the fact that death is real, inevitable and permanent.

[@richardirvine2220]

You hit hard. Thanks for your videos!

[@DiBaozi]

When General Leia Ogana was in space, dead, I whispered to my sister in the theater jokingly "watch she's gonna move now" but then when it happened I accidentally yelled "Come on are you kidding?"

[@user-mf4rm4fj6l]

The only adequate reaction on this. I, when I was in the cinema, was kinda wondering, why wheater I nor one of my friends or other audiences made a deep sigh or something in the way - or more...

[@arson1tez]

Nahhhh, this is fucking hilarious. 😭

[@MyLifeIsAFrickingMess_MRPOLSKA]

Careful what you wish for

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

Watching it in the cinema I burst out laughing, had a few people turn their heads and look at me, one other guy a few rows down started laughing too.

[@dhova_2113]

"The end result is a kind of a creative inertia, like a car spinning its wheels in the mud, splattering sh*t everywhere without actually making any forward progress," That was so beautifully said haha. It's so true though. So much of everything out of Hollywood these days is just mindless crap

[@frankkovacs6214]

"spinning and splattering" is right. The spinning never ends and the splattering is acting like a barrier... keeping people with brains OUT of the cinema. Sad, because a bit of creativity and risk-taking could lead us to a movie golden age if anyone in the business could be persuaded to give a damn.

[@EspenShampoo25]

Movie directors today are all that one kid you played with growing up. The one who never admitted he was out, the one who always had an invisibility potion when playing hide and seek and plasma shield deflecting darts when playing nerf war.

[@Lauren-yn9ze]

Although TV rather than a film, one 'back from the dead' plot which I felt actually worked was Buffy. Having died a very emotional and meaningful death at the end of the 5th season (which Whedon et al thought was the end), the studio then decided they were going to make 2 more. OK, so they *had* to bring her back from the dead. And yes they used magic. However, powerful magic was already a very established part of the lore, so that doesn't bother me. What I liked about it was that it wasn't just used as a 'quick fix' like in so many examples in this video. They didn't just bring her back and then say 'business as normal'. Her resurrection, and the massively negative consequences thereof, are a major plot theme for that season. In fact in the previous season they explored why magic shouldn't be used for raising the dead. So Willow proceeding to do exactly that is a massive point of conflict for the characters, and is a really important part of Willow's character arc, and she starts down a very negative road. So rather than a quick solution, they really made use of it, and made a point of showing why those kinds of magic shouldn't be use for easy fixes. It lead to some dark, but very good, episodes.

[@Theminotard]

Founding out Palpatine was coming back had me laughing hysterically for almost 3 minutes straight in a call with my friends

[@mauricioore5359]

I watched that shit in the movie theater and was pissed for the rest of the movie (but what was I expecting? that entire last trilogy sucked dick)

[@Jay244]

"It's the writing equivalent of playing a videogame in Sandbox Mode" is the single best description of the whole 'Multiverse' shenanigan I've ever heard.

[@tubetorpedo]

Yes, and playing a videogame in sandbox mode usually becomes very boring very fast especially if you personally cannot do very creative stuff like build things.

[@ghostviggen]

Sandbox is fun. But I don’t want that for every game. FS2020 is the biggest sandbox I ever played. But the world is not enough.

[@sarvolfe6435]

The only good examples I've ever seen of "Multiverse" were in Stargate SG-1, Star Trek TNG, Buffy and in the writings of Micheal Moorcock in his Eternal Champions, namely Elric of Melnibonè, Corum Jhaelen Irsei, Erekosë, Duke Dorian Hawkmoon von Köln, Ilian of Garathorm and a myriad of other incarnations of The Eternal Champion who exist in Moorcock's Multiverse. All of those multiverses where written with far superior skill than the tripe we are being handed these days and walk back or contradict that which came before.

[@awesomeface246]

This is especially evident in the Dr Strange movie when they kill another universe's version of the Fantastic Four in an extremely uncharacteristic manner. They are completely acknowledging that there are no consequences so they can brutally kill what would otherwise be extremely unkillable characters.

[@Skarlet_Sun]

I would love for drinker and/or EFAP to go over the story telling of the recent Mortal Kombat games. They're basically movies at this point, and going in a frighteningly Marvel-esc direction with all the multiverse stuff. It makes for some fun gameplay and story moments, but it also destroys the stakes

[@sinisterlaugh872]

Great video Drinker. Absolutely great!