The Floating City of Nym - FFXIV Lore Talk

[@BrianaBird3]

I loved this! I made my WoL originally a Tonberry from Nym, and I'm always scouring for information from Nym, the 5th Astral Era, the War of the Magi, and the Nymian Plague. Thank you for compiling it so well!

[@Grayald]

Lol really? I found my way here for that exact reason. Currently trying to scrape up any lore I can so that my former tonberry makes sense.

[@OMartinez91]

I love how people like y'all have an interesting and detailed backstory and then there's my character, an orange mi'quote too dumb to understand how to be a caster so he only has melee classes except for white mage because he just picks up rocks and throws them very hard

[@BrianaBird3]

I love Just Some Guy! You are 100% Valid

[@sonoskay]

@omar martinez mine is the opposite. Just a hyur middie who is more wit than physical strength. And thus has endeavored to learn as many magical tricks as he can. I never considered my character to be very "powerful". Just a clever willful guy with a lot of tricks and some how comes out on top in impossible situations. It's actually made alisaie's words to the WoL at the end of endwalker pretty impactful. Cus no spoilers but she is 100% right, for who my WoL was.

[@keiyangoshin3650]

While running Wandere’s Palace I often wondered (no pun intended) what those gears inside the walls were for. Who lived in it before, how it was destroyed. So thank you for teaching me something new! 😃

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

Glad you enjoyed! If you have ever wondered the same for the Amdapor dungeons we will have that lore talk up very soon. -Elioaux

[@mzt8787]

I'm the WoL and this is my favorite FFXIV channel on youtube

[@megakazuya123]

*Pardon? YOU are the Warrior of Light?!*

[@CorvoBrancoChannel]

Great video! I love the 5th Astral Era civilizations. And hearing your conversation about the regions that we still don't know much about in Eorzea makes me want an expansion that focuses on Eorzea and gives some more areas in Abalathia Spine, Vylbrand, Coerthas and others.

[@alvinrinaldo9787]

Oh! I just had a thought, considering the pattern of events, could the Tonberries we meet in Nym be considered somewhat like Auspices like the ones we see in Stormblood? Like they started as a Spoken race > The green plague turned them into monsters > They regained their sentience recently, after more than 1000 years much like an Auspice > One of them went insane perhaps because of the power of Rancor to absorb negative emotions is very similar to the Four Lords and Koryu being overwhelmed by the Aramitama that built up in their souls. If all of this is true, would the Tonberry be considered a kind of spoken turned regular monster that regained their sapience by becoming pseudo-auspices over millenia?

[@Xadov]

I don’t think they necessarily lost their sapience immediately after their transformation. They certainly looked monstrous, but they were still intelligent, and only went insane out of despair and hatred towards the un-afflicted

[@sonoskay]

I was always fascinated by scholars as the only job that is inherently defensive in its nature. And since they tied this unique job to a location and city so completely it made me wonder what kind of people would stress protection so much. And a small population mercantile civilization makes sense. People are a resource, and when you don't have many of them, by nessessity have to protect and make the most of them. I had assumed they had a sharlayan flare to them as keepers of knowledge. But I suppose their advanced type of magic was a by-product of it being a highly magical age. Scholars have a weird place in yhe lore regaurdless, as do summoner. As they seem to be nearly extinct jobs. Even other "rare" jobs like black mage have existing NPC who practice it. Unless it's discussed elsewhere and there is more info about them to share, I would love a lore video about arcanists, summoners and scholars.

[@theangryhealer6885]

Just came across this series. You are doing Azeyma's work; thank you!

[@akiramasashi9317]

I had no idea there was this much lore on Nym.

[@SkepticalChris]

I think you meant hanging gardens of Babylon. Hanging gardens not floating gardens.

[@Vison_of_Infinite_Dimension]

Great video love your content could you do a video on eorzea

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

Thanks so much! When you say a video on Eorzea what do you mean exactly? Since that composes all the current nation-states plus older city-states like Nym, Allag, Mhach etc that is thousands of years in span. Do you mean Eorzea during the Sixth/Seventh Astral Era specifically or something else altogether? -Elioaux

[@scree06]

@@TheEorzeanArchives just do all of it. It's not that hard, right? (I'm kidding and appreciate your content)

[@calk.9565]

Just relistening to this a few weeks later and hoping for another one. Soon? Maybe? :P

[@ProfessM]

Didn't know the king was not a king. Also Skalla has a shrine to the Scholar of the Twelve sooo I'd bet on Thaliak. The shrine is where you get transformed to fly over pits. Either that's just how you transform or it was their god. Hard to say. But great vid

[@Emma-xx2kn]

Just came across this series recently, and it's absolutely fascinating! Very much looking forward to more deep dives like this :-)

[@scree06]

Dumb question, but is it possible they called it the Green death because the citizens turning into Tonberrys was considered the "death" of that persons soul? We know different, but the Nymians may not have.

[@Phyrior]

In one Hatchingtide event , if you chose to say something along the lines of, 'Oh, I know of some tonberries you could speak to if you're interested,' the special expert npc goes 'THOSE AREN'T REAL TONBERRIES, YOU ADVENTURERS JUST STARTING CALLING THEM THAT ONE DAY!'

[@SooTotallyTyler]

Just listened to this (length of video is long but SUCH GOOD content!) Love that you predicted - new shard, dragon star, and asked for void/13th content! haha

[@slipstream747]

I hear you.

[@ReyReyzzz]

28:25 sounds like dynamis 🤨

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

Me and Niniri thought the same thing after END however it is important to note aetherial magics are sometimes connected to emotions as well so it’s unclear. -Elioaux.

[@alsoateapot6193]

@@TheEorzeanArchives this might be really dumb question but isn't "aetherial magics are sometimes connected to emotions" just another way of saying you use Dyanims to manipulate aether? I guess I just don't under stand the difference between spells fueled through emotions and aether being effected by dynamis?

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

Not a dumb question at all. So dynamis is affected by emotion but is not the emotions themselves. It’s also not a thing done with intentionally for beings like us. A Dark Knights rage might in theory be something that could affect dynamis but it doesn’t mean every and any emotion immediately causes a change and it takes extreme emotions which is why entelechy like the Elpis flower don’t glow all the time. It’s less dynamis = emotion and emotion -can- affect dynamis. Aetheric manipulation however is a conscious and cognizant thing. A good example of a distinction is that Garleans can affect dynamis but not control aether. The heartbloom in garlemald glows blue for Jullus however he couldn’t become a dark knight. There is also room for our understanding of dynamis to grow but from my reviewing of Endwalker for Endtalkers it’s pretty consistent that dynamis is only affected by us in the extremes (LMB for instance).

[@alsoateapot6193]

@@TheEorzeanArchivesso I guess where I'm confused is using emotions to fuel spells but not enough to trigger Dynamis? like... the emotional force you put into spells/Aether manipulations I'd assumed it was on the more extrema side of things, hence the tie in with dynamis but your saying its not? (also thank you for answering my questions I just recently found your channel and have been binge watching while I craft)

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

Thanks for watching! So forgive me if I go overly basic or long with this, dynamis can drown out aether but it can’t manipulate it. With sufficient dynamis you can create things like ultima thule or Limit Break but the ready and active control of effects like aetherial manipulation are wholly separate. Your emotions can affect aether in the same way that you have emotions at all as a byproduct of your soul which is it’s self aether. Is there a chance that dark knights are using dynamis? It’s possible I suppose but we are explicitly told that sundered peoples can’t do it willfully and only under extreme duress. The Elpis bloom is not us manipulating its color through our emotions but it reacting to how our emotions move dynamis but that’s not a thing it does with control or cognizance where as we do know that a job like dark knights is using dark and astral aether intentionally (not I keep using DRK because it is the most emotionally related and least understood job that’s applicable) Even beings of pure aether like a primal have emotions that telegraph to tangible affects on their power and spells like bahamut despite having no ability to control or effect dynamis. It’s a really specific nuance and it’s hard to think of a way to fully exemplify this with stating all the conversations around dynamis in Endwalker mixed with the simple dynamis ≠ emotions. This is a bad example I’m about to give but in our battle with the end singer she recognizes our use of dynamis when we limit break but she doesn’t as any spell caster etc. that’s a bad example because mechanics don’t always perfectly go with lore for tons of perfectly valid reasons. Another way to think on it is that Akasa and dynamis are explicitly stated despite generations of “study” to be intangible and not directly intractable and if they were a primary part of a magical system that would fail to really make sense and still not explain why a garlean couldn’t “use” dynamis to manipulate aether.

[@MudDragon723]

29:40 Looks like you’re getting your wish!

[@FemaleAnimeMaster]

Could the tonberries be using dynamis in their attacks? If they are creatures starved of aether, maybe that makes them more attuned to and more able to use dynamis?

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

So this is explained in a few places but emotions are made of and tied to aether. This is also why DRK is not a dynamis using job. Emotions affect dynamis and entelechy but dynamis is not emotion. As for being aether starved they are really more astrally corrupted than anything.

[@Earendilgrey]

I love this. My cat is actually named Nym (named before I started playing this game) and ever since I found the floating city while exploring I have been wanting to know more.

[@Gloomdrake]

Is your cat named after that one movie or is that also a coincidence?

[@Earendilgrey]

@@Gloomdrake No, she is named after Tonks from Harry Potter since I was playing the Wizards Unite game at the time I found her.

[@ChristyCub]

Tonberries rancor attack is dynamis. lol

[@Isa_Reynard]

28:24 DYNAMIS?!? 😳

[@dustthewolf7841]

So as a thought in retrospect. Could it be that the tonberrys were starved of aether by the plague; and thus susceptible to Dynamis? Thatd account for the emotional magic as well as the rage of the 'king' corrupting the smaller ones; i think.

[@balthezaar100]

I had a similar thought to this. After the revelations of endwalker, learning of Dynamis and what it is and does, it made me reevaluate certain aspects of the game. We know Dynamis has the power to turn normal people into monsters. This seems to be a valid explanation for how a Tonbery do what they do.