The Weeping City of Mhach - FFXIV Lore Talk

[@JDSleeper]

So, there'd be a combination of water-based aether not being used in the war, the influence of one of the Shards being pushed towards water adding even more to that, and then an Event that breaks that barrier and causes that element to literally flood into the planet. So there'd have to be a single event that decisively starts the Calamity.

[@umitencho]

It was the elementals summoning Oha-Sok.

[@altansipdrae2759]

The proto-ultima escaped from Azys Lla, you have the special boss fate about it with pro-ultima flying around the zone. It has been a special fight playable during a Fan fest and later added to Dun Scaith, replacing a wave of trash mob, also it only appears if someone has the proto-ultima weekly quest

[@embersmoke3488]

I know this video is a year old but I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS!!! As someone who absolutely loves Lore but whos brain just can't put things together while doing/ reading quests, I am SO thankful for you guys explaining all of this and bringing in your own theories every now and then, which are really interesting. Pleas keep doing what you're doing! I am absolutely enjoying all these videos 🧡

[@kuroiryu9434]

Linking in with the patron deity being Rhalgar idea let's not forget Shatotto's signature weapon is the Stardust Rod that she made from a fallen meteor.

[@Eric-fg8qm]

I like to think that Rhalgr saved the followers of Nophica and Nald Thal considering that their gods probably abandoned them for abusing their gifts. Rhalgr being the god of destruction took interest in them for nearly destroying the world and led them out of Mhach and Amdapor into Gyr Abania. I wonder who the Red Mages worship?

[@Andyjoe522]

On the topic of Mhach's Hyur population, for some time I've been of the mind that they likely bore a closer resemblance to their Highlander descendants rather than the typical Midlander. If you took the face on the statues at 13:11 (as well as other points in the video) and put it on a player model, I'd have little trouble placing them as a Highlander. While this next point is a bit less concrete, High Voidmage Cessair's surname, Blackwind, does seem in line with Highlander surnames like Blackstone, Blackburn, Blackthorne, and Redsteele.

[@umbrastaff]

this was so awesome, i love mhach and the void ark raids so learning more about them had me totally engrossed! in reference to the comments about the pronunciation of Cait Sith, "cat shee" *is* the correct way to say it, "síth" (or "sidhe") is the same as the latter half of the word "banshee" in gaelic, so her name is pronounced the same way! i thought it might be useful to know should she come up again (and i hope she does!)

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

Glad you enjoyed and appreciate the insight! Will try to work it in my future use but 20 years of using the sith saying may rear its ugly head.

[@umbrastaff]

@@TheEorzeanArchives haha totally understandable! i'm looking forward to those future deep dives~!

[@Vfanatic1]

My personal theory is that our good friend Emet-Selch was behind Mhach given his entire thing, even as said by Elidibus was his penchant for nation building. It does track considered for the most part he's a Black Mage and would have knowledge of the Void for the Void mages to utilize.

[@BrotherHood-xh9sg]

I was one of those people that was confused about the whole miqo'te thing. Heard things about going to Eorzea and fleeing to Ilsabar. Now I understand all were telling half truths. Thanks for that.

[@DiscoSamurai]

This was all VERY interesting. I love the game's lore and listening to your theories, the lore and whatnot was very, very entertaining. Keep 'em up!

[@jemm113]

I’m actually using Mach and Lalafells as idea fuel for a gnome wizard character I made recently so thanks for having such an in-depth lore vid! I definitely need to get encyclopedia Eorzea myself so I can get the extra juicy details for myself but with this it’s sufficient for my current needs! I also posted a comment speculating about 6.3’s possible revelations so give that a look if ya missed it!

[@jordanstafford5110]

As for the ozma stuff, seems like a camera and a black room. The pyramid is like a 4 sided pixel maybe. That's what I'd do with a 3D printing camera. Have a front, back, left and right side view of a single object in one big amphitheater

[@shingshongshamalama]

I'm convinced that Ozma is actually a singularity computer, effectively the infinitely dense core of an artificially generated black hole turned into a thinking machine. It's a god computer.

[@lukoscreyden]

How many times have I listened to this? 4 times? Maybe 5 tbh. Makes for good background listening at work. I LOVE all these long lore discussions and I hope you guys can find time to continue making them! I really enjoyed the Sil'dih Subterrane one. I love this particular one. Mhach is fascinating to me; I just really love the overall aesthetic of the HW alliance raids. And the music! Thing is, I don't even play Black Mage lol.

[@RevanX77]

You left something out in your discussion of Belah'dia, namely that it was actually founded on the ruins of an even older civilization that already had the temple of Azeyma located there.

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

We plan to give belah dia and sil dih their own Lore Talk, this was more focused on mhach then an all encompassing history and on top of this we know little of who those peoples might be beyond the suggestion that the ruins of Qarn predate the sixth astral era. Perhaps myths of the realm might help fill in a gap or two. -Elioaux

[@HungryWako]

Thanks for the video guys! Regarding Proto-Ultima I love the theories, but yeah sadly I'd also go that it's one of the few things in game with no lore reason, given he wasn't part of the raid at release. I can barely remember the original succubus encounter anymore it's been so long X3

[@TheObiKitty]

From what I remember, Proto-Ultima was active in Azys Lla (Prey Online FATE) before detecting the massive aetherial disturbances in Dun Scaith. Its programming interpreted that as eikon activity and so it flew there but instead ran into the adventurers doing the raid.

[@utafumi_s3244]

I've watched this at least a half dozen times since you released it. It's such a wonderful video with so much info

[@jeffreydanielmaurer9159]

Hello from the other side of Dawntrail having a chuckle about your LED screens made of magic prediction. (Just a theory, they had placid sky screens up around ozma to keep it dormant and not attacking everything in sight. Something attacks? Lower the screens and let Ozma go.)

[@fourcatsandagarden]

Ozma specifically deeply fascinates me. It's basically a tiny death star.

[@siyrean]

a lot of really interesting stuff thats got my mind running. a few things I fully admit I could be wrong on but my understanding was that the city states having patron deities was something unique to this era. Also that Mi'qote were originally from Meracedea?

[@SubduedRadical]

Regarding Ozma: Have you ever done Eureka? I'm not 100%, but as I recall, they more or less say what it is/was. Though maybe I'm misunderstanding what you guys are saying there about being uncertain its origins... The big SPOILERS version... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Eureka is a Primal with a somewhat peculiar capability, which is to create constructs. I'm not sure I 100% remember correctly, but basically Ozma is (the greatest?) of those constructs. Eureka is a Primal that creates living weapons (hence the Baldession ARSENAL). Again, it's been a bit so I may be misremembering, but I think the Allegans gained control of it and used it to generate weapons, one of which was Ozma. Hence the legends of some magical arsenal under the Crystal Tower named Eureka. ...so you're technically right in that "50/50 chance if you say Allegans you're right". :)

[@JackDaloots]

Would love to see this revisited now that we have current MSQ going on. I think some of this is altered in small bits.

[@Raverin454]

Love the video, I'm a lore nerd so this really scratched an itch. On the pronunciation topic the name is pronounced as Ska-th-ack

[@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw]

mhach is the BEST city down! dont @ me! also people dont abandon your channel outta nowhere like ethys asher did. i am still salty about it! 54:24 if you dont know where a mob comes from just say so. Proto Ultima comes from the FATE Prey Online in Azys Lla which only happens during the blood red weather. It escaped Azys Lla then flees. It also appeared as a special trial in a Fan Fest a couple years back scaled for 27 man party. Where is is found in Dun Scaith a succubus boss was there then some Foobars (placeholder) then they moved Proto Ultima there. In universe its explained that it sensed aetheric anomalies at surmised it was primals so it went there to absorb em but found voidsent instead.

[@thebloodflower8814]

This Voidsent talk really makes me curious about Zenos Voidsent. It's nothing like other Avatars and if you have finished Endwalker, According to the ending we got, what would happen between Zenos and his Voidsent? To have a voidsent, you must make a pact of some kind, correct? I think for reapers at least, is the case. There's so much I don't understand about the voidsent. They remind me of sineaters.

[@RevanX77]

It does bear one curious similarity to the other avatars, that it's blind. With Zenos' it has faux-hands covering it's eyes, whereas for the player it simply has no eyes at all. An interesting design choice given it's known that Voidsent are capable of mind-controlling people through making eye contact.

[@ryanbirch-bartlett5810]

The "undead" mages of amdipor and mhach have hyur proportions in game, but timeline wise, hyur hadn't really moved into eorzia just yet

[@unloyal4847]

This was cool to listen through

[@jemm113]

So post 6.3 spoilers here but wow that dungeon! . . . . . So I don’ know if I read this wrong or not but it seems our little reaper village has some history! Our favorite femvoidsent-loving madman was connected to the village! I don’t have the readings in front of me so I forget if he came from the village or had settled down there but I wouldn’t be surprised if we discover that the reapers started from Machi refugees moving to Ilsabard and teaching the magic-less Garleans how to summon forth voidsent especially considering their lack of magic-like perhaps the refugee summoned the first one and subsequent reapers were able to perform future ones! Plus I don’t think Ridorana had any voidsent, just Auracite-based Lucavi so the voide magic had to come from SOMEWHERE and our two best guesses are Machi refugees and Miqo’te refugees from the period when Allag banished and enslaved them and may have left behind knowledge of voidsent summoning for their Garleans to find for themselves

[@fundur2816]

so what i learnt from this is Niniri was an ass main interesting But in all seriousness I know im late to the party but these vids are amazing feels like just listerning in to two friends nerd out over lore and thats the highest praise i can give it

[@kriscubero6778]

Hmm...kinda confused about the Miqo'te. Where did they originate? They are native to Eorzea and then got exiled by Allag? Then came back through an ice bridge from Ilsabard and then back to Eorzea? Aren't you mixing some things?

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

What we state is that they originated in Eorzea and went from Eorzea to Ilsabard due to the Allagan empire exiling them from Eorzea. Then centuries later came back to Eorzea over the ice land bridged created between Ilsabard and Eorzea. I'm not sure which thing you are referring to that we are mixing. -Elioaux

[@kriscubero6778]

@@TheEorzeanArchives Sorry, my bad. I'm the one who mxed thing ups. I mixed the Ice Age calamity with them coming from Meracydia.

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

@@kriscubero6778 No worries! Glad I could help clarify. -Elioaux

[@Sw3rt0]

KET SHEE it looks like Cait Sith, but it's pronounced KET SHEE

[@milat9287]

Aren't White Mage healing spells specifically made of water though? I might be getting this totally wrong, but I think I heard that once somewhere that it's water spells

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

Not as far as I’m aware of. EE1 more the game states them and multiple of their spells are aspected towards wind and earth as well.

[@nozari28]

I am using the subtitles option and when he said sarcophagi it wrote something else entirely 😂 just say it out loud in a British accent and you'll see

[@kitethetwinblade]

Legacy player here - So, Dun Scaith didn't originally have the proto-Ultima. It had a Succubus boss. SE added the Proto-Ultima to the 24-man and replaced the Succubus because they liked that fight better and said they did that instead of adding a new Extreme fight. Lore explanation is that it was flying around up there and we accidentally happened to find it.

[@butiliketacos]

Phasmascapes and Garlemald airship screens...

[@seangrant3617]

High voidmage blackwind previous warrior of light?

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

With what we know about Azem’s prior incarnations and how those who are implied to be are all travelers/wanderers and share some key dispositions I think it unlikely but it’s possible. -Elioaux

[@seangrant3617]

@@TheEorzeanArchives it's something I like to think about and link when looking into and speculating on the history of the world where can we see Ascian involvement and past WoL involvement. What battles they may have had to stop calamities, their failures and what small victories they might have had.

[@Christopher-eq1rn]

so Cait Sith is actually pronounced Kay she, due to it being a gaelic word, cat sith is an english corruption of the original term for the mythological creature

[@nozari28]

I thought it was "Kate" Sith 😂

[@josephgregorowicz5135]

Hold up. How do we know the 5th Astral Era lasted 1500 years? The only Astral Eras we know canon are third (roughly 5000) and 6th (1572).

[@EmberwindTale]

How long is an era?

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

It can vary but umbral eras seem to last only a few years and are more of a transitional period and astral eras typically last 1-2 thousand years. -Elioaux

[@josephgregorowicz5135]

@@TheEorzeanArchivesBut the math doesn’t check out. With 3rd lasting 5000 and 6th lasting 1572, and the time between the Sundering and the Fall of Dalamud being 12000, that leaves us with roughly 5428 years divided mostly between 4 Astral Eras and an unknown amount of time between the Sundering and the calamity of wind. I think it would vary greatly depending on how easy it was for the Unsundered to manipulate things for the co Siri is to be right for an Ardor. How soon after Dalamud that Black Rose caused the now averted 8th calamity is a good example of how quickly some shards were primed. Then again, time flows differently across the shard, so who knows. My talking points could be moot.

[@fluffdafire157]

So fun fact most things mispronounce cait Sith it should be pronounced caet shee