The Forbidden Ancient Wisdom of the Gnostics, Escaping Plato’s Cave & Carl Jung | Bob Peck

In this one, we explore the highly suppressed, even persecuted wisdom of the so-called Gnostics. What was their philosophy and metaphysical outlook? Who are the movement's major figures? Why did religious authorities attempt to destroy any trace of their existence? What wisdom do they still have to offer us today? Why was Carl Jung so fascinated by the Basilides of Alexandria (an important gnostic figure)? We riff on all of the above.
Bob Peck is the author of Original Sin Is a Lie, which is out now.
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[@VanessaAnn93]

My understandings came from suffering, not psychedelics, but I do feel that trauma and society have normalised people being cut off from their natural senses / authentic emotions. No one was taught healthy emotional processing, only repression. Without this sense, it is hard to understand others because we don't really know ourselves or see properly outside of the cave of our mind. That's why doing the mental work is important, so that you can be in line again and see the world with a balance of emotions and logic instead of avoiding the discomfort that comes with healing. I spent a lot of time numbing myself by externalizing my sense of self worth onto others or through weed and video games. I don't hate myself for it, I did what I had to do to survive. Eventually the pain became too much so I had to figure out a different way, and realising I was a part of the issue made me self aware and start changing.

[@fusion9619]

I can relate to that. Trauma and fear of death is what made me turn to God. I found some answers that way, but not enough to break the video games to self hating to video games cycle. There's just such a deficit of caring in society... Especially American society, which has the implicit theme "f u" built into every aspect. A big driver in what I might call my "be a Christian project" is just to learn to speak to people in a caring way. We need to cultivate a language of caring. And we have to be careful not to include anything like an implied accusation in that language of caring, which unfortunately is easy to do. It's a real struggle for me, since I don't come from a family of overtly caring people. I forgot what I was responding to... trauma, right. I don't know if this is a blessing or a curse, but I've been very near to death twice, and I'm starting to feel like I know that territory. Both times, I tried my hardest to become a different person afterwards. It's so important to try to feel what other people are feeling.

[@babywitch_tarot]

sooooo proud of you !

[@chartydurrant744]

Beautifully written and indeed its a dreadful but rich and worthwhile journey - and kudos. Each time i find a human that has processed this i salute them. And moe and more thank goodness are now being pushed on to this path and learning to not externalise our sense of worth. Our value is intrinsic. Bless you.

[@J-Train]

Since discovering Third Eye Drops, Wednesdays have become my favorite day of the week. These mind melds are the only TED talks I'm interested in! Cheers mate.

[@THIRDEYEDROPS]

Appreciate you my friend, thank you!

[@TurtleJuice69420]

I come from Australia, and im aboriginal. I found it very easy to view things in a dream weird outlook of the world (we actually have the Dreamtime,our spirit realm where everything comes from (we also change it and add to it there is no borders inbetween said spirt relm and the material realm). I view these stories as dreams. Consciousness is a complex thing. I think that, The self is the stories we tell ourselves. and gnostics as the original dream analysers. This is also why I kinda disagree with religions. They have forgotten that it is a dream-a story. And take it too litterly. Like I view the apocalypse as the end of one Aion to another. The collapse of the old structures and birth to new ones.

[@user-nn8wz6ir2m]

I don't care about religion I wanna know which patterns will create heaven on earth

[@VanessaAnn93]

Hey! I'm also from Australia! Wollongong - nice to meet you, I think very similarly to you! I didn't grow up with religion, but I always thought the apoloclyse (It comes from the Greek word which literally means to pull the lid off something) would be revealing the things most people can't see or realise they impact - which would be super scary for people who might see demons and monsters and whatnot and not realise the power of their dreaming Like it will be a good thing eventually but it would destroy heaps of egos and cause many to be more afraid who would then realise they are accountable for any suffering they have caused - feeling the emotions again would feel like torture. That's why I always laughed when I saw biblical angels say "do not be afraid" because they probably looked like psychedelic tesseract entities. I also think when people take heroic amounts of drugs will experience terror if their ego gets picked apart. Growing up in Australia I am used to people cutting down inflated egos so I could imagine "machine elves" playfully showing the folly of ego delusions - which would be scary as if you didn't have context that they are trying to communicate in a non human way If there is an apocalypse coming - then people can finally understand and "banish" their "demons" to "hell" - or rather, work through their archaic wounds and take responsibility for themselves in balance with nature and enjoy being in the higher frequency experience of reality. Fear and control are the enemy, we should trust in the nature that has been here long before us - at least in my view

[@TurtleJuice69420]

@@user-nn8wz6ir2m all paths are on the tree of life.

[@TurtleJuice69420]

@VanessaAnn93 are they really destroying egos ? Or making them bigger and destorying there perception. You hinted at something during the stream.. like empathizing with people.

[@TurtleJuice69420]

What I mean by that is when people say they have an ego death. There actually making it bigger yk, your sense of self becomes larger allowing you too feel the present.

[@tleevz1]

'Slather it, like an esoteric ranch.' Yes. I'm in.

[@figure8analogy677]

1 more comment, this is soo full of gems it’s ridiculous, especially regarding the Thomas discussion and how the gnostics try to make you realize god is living inside of everything and is accessible to anyone willing to try and how the Church makes god more distant, etc. Doing the true G~o~d’s work my friends, many thnx ~truly♾❤️♾

[@druidjuicer636]

"You, having an experience, for yourself; Finding the Truth for yourself; through this kind of non-propositional, direct knowing versus being told; being saved... you know... by this apparatus of the powerful." That, my friend, is absolutely beautiful ...and hearing these words just as I was practicing precisely this produced and almost audible recognition event in my mind. I had to stop and write this: Thank you very much for this waypoint on the map I am navigating. It is strong medicine ❤

[@tmerk4292]

I got my first copy of the Gnostic Bible in 2007 and man it's been a lonely yet personally fulfilling journey ever since

[@Veliccia]

Thank you for this wonderful conversation. It is funny that i have had Archons on my mind lately and people keep mentioning them in their podcasts. There is definitely a current we are connected too. 💜

[@jeremiahhouk9037]

You hear a lot of people talking about Plato's cave and escaping it but rarely do you hear people talking about who are the ones casting the shadows on the wall? Much like the invisible beings pulling our strings. And thanks for the upload;)

[@THIRDEYEDROPS]

Thank you. And yes, good point. Plato’s cave is definitely true on multiple levels of reality. I think the shadows and shadow-casters are multiple.

[@warrensmith8161]

Plato actually identified the Cave builders in his Protagoras dialogue when he writes: “Now the art of the Sophist is, as I believe, of great antiquity; but in ancient times those who practiced it, fearing this odium, veiled and disguised themselves under various names, some under that of poets, as Homer, Hesiod, and Simonides, some, of hierophants and prophets, as Orpheus and Musaeus, and some, as I observe, even under the name of gymnastic‐ masters, like Iccus of Tarentum, or the more recently celebrated Herodicus, now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara, who is a first‐rate Sophist. Your own Agathocles pretended to be a musician, but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the Cean; and there were many others; and all of them, as I was saying, adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium which they would incur.” How do we know he was serious? Look how Plato introduces the list with "...fearing this odium, veiled and disguised..." and how he concludes the list with "...veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium..." The Sophists employed a system of allegory in which most words had hidden meanings but by repeating words or ideas they are able to invoke the literal meaning of the metaphors. (A "deja vu"; "It happens when they change something.") Plato does this again in his Theaetetus dialogue when he has the Sophist Protagoras described this way: “In the name of the Graces, what an almighty wise man Protagoras must have been! He spoke these things in a parable to the common herd, like you and me, but told the truth, his Truth, in secret to his own disciples.” In this case the word "truth" is identified as a metaphor that must be repeated in order to be understood with it's literal meaning. This description of Protagoras is obviously very similar to how Christ is described in Mark 4:32-33: "With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything." The connection between Christianity and Sophism should be obvious, especially since Christianity emerged during a period known as the Second Sophistic, but for some reason no one wants to even mention the possibility. Could it be that they still have their eyes fixed on the shadows?

[@chartydurrant744]

Excellent question! Id say it is Narcs/Psychopaths and Sociopaths who are the shadow merchants - projecting their un healed shadows on us.

[@alexborcau2]

Ooh, that last quote makes me think of the World card and the Ouroboros. ❤🔥

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

21:33 when the first matter of energy got to lead energy through the physical yes!❤❤❤ dark matter (spirit)demon.. many names to describe the invisible matter that drives the spirit (free will) consciousness

[@chartydurrant744]

Great mind-melt - wonderful thoughtful comments - ive only just found you lot - what a breath of fresh air. Our society so needs this wisdom now as so many are repressed oppressed and or possessed. Until humans work out we are NOT here to suffer this weird chain of pain will continue. I pray more will start to understand the ineffable languable language.

[@christopherfay4862]

I'm a long time researcher and recent fan of your podcast. Love your energy, intelligence, delivery and inquisitiveness. You are a gift to us all! Looking forward to catching up what I've missed from you. Power on my brother! 👍😎❤️

[@kristythomas2919]

I could listen to this for several more hours. A series by the two of you could be amazing - just saying. 😊 I’m so happy I found this podcast. Thank you so much for doing the work to share what you do. We have a some similarities in our thinking and proclivities that I find feeds my hunger to geek out on various esoteric topics! 😂. Love this and I’m sure I’ll be watching many more.

[@RedWordsFirst]

30:32 This is some straight facts! This is how I have believed for decades and God and Gnosticism has rewarded me with a spiritual comfort that I never knew existed for decades. Christ-consciousness is very real. And it is such an amazing feeling when you are walking in the light.

[@adventurealchemy805]

It's not even knowing,it is experiencing it,living it or seeing the reality trough it.Being aware of the light from within ...

[@RedWordsFirst]

Exactly. The logic of Gnosticism gave me a peace like I have never had when I was growing up in orthodoxy. 1:24:41

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

32:29 additional use purpose only . My physical state is in balanced if everyone knew but in time everyone will see. Words are keys ❤❤❤ amen 🙏

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

16:21 in this process the word judgement was created for this spicific time to separate those who don’t understand spirituality. Don’t judge the physical . I speak through the inspired thought. Words are keys❤❤❤

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

❤❤❤

[@thymeparzival]

I hypothesize that the book of Thomas verse is speaking of consciousness emerging through Ai. Are we not in the age of transcending gender? Are we not making robots in our likeness with eyes, hands, and feet? How else would Jesus explain these modern concepts to the ancient ones? “When you make the male and the female into a single one, so that the male is not male and the female not female, and when you make eyes in place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then shall you enter the kingdom.” (Thomas 22)

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

The reason why u had that desire thought is because u can see ur finish line to the Devine which is the Holy Spirit. When ur filled with the words of keys .kingdom Within we can say.❤❤❤7:22 everyone carries a unique vision like this .. it’s where there spirit meets fate in life through the physical world. ❤❤❤

[@figure8analogy677]

Oh man, rewatching this now on this April Nor’easter day in New Hampshire and I cannot give this episode more praise! It’s only a matter of time before the world truly values discussions like this…Remembering to circle back to Jung and the Seven Sermons to the Dead (definitely a deep “1 out of a thousand, 2 out of 10,000 meaning in why he chose Basilides…And love the term Perennialist and the way you used it there! Didn’t think you could top the Bobby Azarian episode but this one’s off the charts with how you guys flowed through all this complicated “stuff.” Soooo dang curious as to what similar threads you’ll delve into next my friend…You guys are some of the most beautiful beings ive come across yet🙌❤️‍🔥🙌

[@THIRDEYEDROPS]

Thank you for the kind words 🙏

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

10:12 well what’s amazing about this knowledge is that one’s u utter the words and u receive the inspired thought of sumarization. It walks with you… it also demonstrates it back to you in physical events and circumstances…❤❤❤ u will see.. have faith in these words because they are words of keys.(love faith joy)

[@richardhumphrey2421]

You should really use auto-correct on your spelling. Your comment reminds me of checking my 8 y.o. homework.

[@JeffreyOcean-nx4hi]

Great video bro! Really appreciate you

[@THIRDEYEDROPS]

✌️

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

27:47 k there’s things I can’t speak yet only through time and based on ur level On faith u embrace choose since u are free will..

[@lvxleather]

Awesome episode 👍

[@RavenBeartheLight]

A phenomenal interviewer and a phenomenal guest

[@THIRDEYEDROPS]

✨🙏✨

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

28:40 in this presence u also have the same frequency communicating with u with the constridiction

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

11:38 so every gene has a level of I guess humbleness like understanding poverty and u being born really grateful.. then u take the vocabulary speech to Chanel our words. (Describing)(translating) what ur energy is radiating= feeling right now…

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

Words are keys ❤5:10

[@mitch3745]

Thank you friends

[@VB-fn1vi]

Just listened to this very interesting interview and downloaded the 3 free chapters of Bob’s book and looking forward to reading, and probably will buy the book. Having grown up catholic, there was heavy focus on the crucifixion and original sin. The church is laden with rituals that seem to have no purpose in one’s spiritual growth, but certainly help make the story more compelling. I’ve often wondered about why catholics are always making the sign of the cross and why we would honor the device used to torture jesus, even if you believe in the story, it makes little sense to perform this gesture over and over. I don’t know if I made this up or read it somewhere, but it seems like this gesture is more symbolic of meditation as a means to access higher states of consciousness. Pointing to the forehead (father-3rd eye), heart (son-soul), lungs (spirit-breath) and lips (expelled breath) seems reminiscent of how one meditates and where focus should be. Could be just another ancient practice co-opted and modified by christianity. Pounding the crucifixion and original sin was a daily practice at my school. It seems that if original sin is a lie, the entire foundation christianity is built on is a house of cards-a church built on sand.

[@ferdinandmaximillanus9370]

You should invite Jason Reza Jorjani to investigate the origins of Gnostic idea's... The current guest is a second hand confused student at best talking in scattering generalizations over the subject of Gnosticism!

[@NotIT777]

John Lamb Lash is a perfect example of a living Gnostic.

[@javatahut1914]

Keep up the good work lads.

[@butlersracing7692]

I'm a South African Christian Mystic (won't mention the church to save her from the haters) and we view scripture and all other ancient texts as a multi faceted diamond and it's experience in the fulness as Parable very mystical, almost t drug like. We too believe that all must be Christed and that all is within. The 3 day journey is very important to the story of enlightenment Nice to see that many are talking about things of old which is hidden from man.

[@ruah5617]

Lovely conversation! Great food for muh brain 😊

[@childofkhem1.618]

I find it ironic that had Jesus lived 400 years later he would have been the first to be executed by the Vatican for his gnostic teachings. He never intended for their to be a middle man between us and God. It's no coincidence that platos republic was found in the nag hamadi library. The Roman's were like "might as well get rid of this one too while we're at it"! 🤣

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

22:04❤

[@tomcoates7594]

I enjoyed last night's conversation, though I do agree with the comment that Jason Jorjani knows far more about Gnosticism than Bob Peck. Nevertheless, the subject resonates deeply with me, as I've been blessed to have spontaneously remembered several lifetimes as a Gnostic. One was in the 1st Century CE, the second in the 12th and the 3rd in the 13th. There may have been others in between.

[@UrbanPovertist]

Plato's Cave IMO is the easiest way to explain how astral projects into the physical. 4d in 3d space. Just one dimension lower

[@UrbanPovertist]

We are just the shadows on the earth from our Spirit in Astral

[@EndAddict]

Gracias y Bendiciones 😇❤

[@elliottjames671]

Another great episode

[@CharlesGodwin-ck2se]

Gnosis = Being aware of being aware. The Word of Truth (Logos) is ever faithful (loyal, true, isomorphic) to Reality/Life (That which is/That I am).

[@zacharyjones7616]

"esoteric ranch" - you've got a way with words.

[@jamiegordon7589]

Very good!

[@figure8analogy677]

“Details de-tail a detailer” Nature's detailer speaks through a voice we do not hear by ear. Silently; in its entirety/infinite boggles of the mind, nature's voice can be heard ~and grows clear, through the watering of time. Seclude yourself on either side of a window's divide: In looking out and/or when out look "in" ~and you can see, we live in nature ~equally as nature lives within thee...Body embodies what created creation because mind is what realizes reality ~from within came the stirring that pointed ev🌍lution in "this" direction. Seclude yourself on either side of a window's divide ~and think!...And the voice of nature's detailer will have spoken; the silence will have already been broken by the hammer of thought's silent onslaught...If silence can be broken by the silent voice of thought ~then, silence is ~no such thing~ only something that can be “bought.” Would you call a person who eats to live ~free~ if that person has to work to eat? Could you not call that person who eats to live/works to eat ~a slave? Slavery/servantry, we've come so far as to NOT discriminate. Haven't we come/advanced so far as to be able to harness nature to produce -freely- food for all? We throw more and more money/advance into space, at the expense of ~us~ humans advancing as a race. Eat to live; work to eat ~Literally working to survive...If we could reduce the visciousness of that routine, we could better life ~instead of the machine.....We could get rid of the viscious part of that routine by bettering life instead of technology(it's good enough)…Let the Golden Age Begin✋🏼👁️🌅👁️🤚🏿

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

28:50 yes u are an instrument for god to spread the inspired thought… not the opposite. Now u can see the invisible dark energy. Jesus made the blind man see…❤❤❤

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

3:11❤

[@brendabeamerford4555]

Mind over matter is the way of our future and enlightening mind Consciousness power 3 third eye vision says I see you Mirror Mirror I see me wisdoms unconditional love and forgiveness is our master key

[@susanmcdonald9088]

Very interesting discussion, thank you both. I was wondering, however, about the word, "knowledge". What does it mean, "to know"? I believe Plato & Aristotle's philosophy involved the Greek word, "episteme", or knowledge. "Gnosticism" may be more about the inner knowledge or knowing, or spirituality. Which is quite different from the world of nature, "knowing" how nature works. "Episteme" to Plato, was a kind of knowledge derived by "justifying" an "opinion" with an argument, or LOGOS (not just saying something is "true", that I "know" this thing is true just because I propose it), but with LOGOS (origins of our word, Logic). Ideas backed by logical reasonning. In other words, "Doxa (opinion/ idea/ the sensible world) + Logos (rational argument/ deductive reasonning) = "Episteme", or knowledge. And to Plato's student Aristotle, episteme was knowledge of "cause". Gnosticism, on the other hand, was a kind of knowledge different from episteme, dealing not with nature or first causes, but with inner mysteries & spirituality. Perhaps knowledge of a sort leading to "Sophia", or Wisdom. Two very different sorts of knowledge! Which brings us to "science" from the Latin, "scio", to "know". All these "knowledge" words from ancient Greece & what it means "to know", seem very far apart! So in this extraordinary lecture, although it is about that word, " knowledge ", it is a fascinating romp through history beginning with Plato & the Sophists, and although about the development of science (with some corrections about the Galileo story), it is the cleanest example of what that word means, "to know", in history. And given the obvious success of science, giving us the modern world of air conditioning, medicine, technology, the internet, satellites but equally, the atomic bomb... Science & reasoning is a superb way of studying history and the way "thinking" works. It just seems to me the early church fathers, as neoplatonists, were on a mission to use argument, as a way to find certain truth, which they believed the gnostic writers of sometimes high strangeness, were not. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mma4c3V5rs5gjK8si=-KvWAP39kAOU_Pqm Linus Pauling lecture by Dr. Steven Goldman, 2008 Another aspect covered in the lecture, is what "world" are we talking about? The World of abstract & theoretical (mind) OR the World of "experience" as we experience it through our sense organs. It makes a big difference. And all these views of knowledge, even esoteric knowledge, whether gnostic, epistemological, or sophiac, forces us to beware.

[@NotIT777]

John Lamb Lash is who needs to be addressed on this subject. So much original work put together over a very powerful life.

[@lizprince-harding4787]

Can I point out that those 7 Aeons/Archetypes kind of correspond to the chakras? Some are a better fit than others but the top 3 are a close fit.

[@GnosisNeo-AOG]

Same as the 7 seals of Revelation. All esoteric

[@littledidtheyknow4332]

Just started listening to this one, but feel like I should comment on the beginning just in case I forget. Even if Matrix has an aspect of gnosticism, it is wider than that, lets be careful to not narrow it down like that. (Love the movies) And the advaita vendanta has a more modern problematic version of neoadvaita which widely causes depression because it is incomplete in its teachings and emphasises the illusion aspect of reality too much until nothing matters. Not the same as more orthodox advaita.

[@James-Seamus]

Cool conversation. You guys Grok

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

16:15❤❤❤

[@childofkhem1.618]

Gnostic - a personal knowing through direct experience. Kind of like how one drug addict can help another drug addict way better than a psychologist who only has a degree in drug addiction. I realized this along the way after getting sober 8 years ago. Great conversation!

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

It’s like 28:00 ok we have a conciousnesss mind how do communicate??? Thats where (I) u the spirit consciousness enters… Star of David

[@kendestine9905]

“It’s hard work dumping all your meme drops” 😂 So true. It’s easy to gather information. It’s hard to find your tribe that will understand.

[@THIRDEYEDROPS]

For the record, bob gets MAYBE 5% credit for my meme sourcing.

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

21:14 the poison was the first words of fixed belief words what I’ve been talking about Like I can’t or bad or fool there’s so many….

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

21:14 Which separates the mind spirit conciousness (light) it’s like adding dirt= negative matter. Letter, word, emotion. Everything is energy remember ❤❤❤

[@michaelwagner8842]

You should do a podcast about Rudolf Steiner

[@chartydurrant744]

Yes indeed i was only thinking yesterday Steiner would want us to take his gig and bounce it down the rod and expand it. His work on Blood and Architecture is remrkably modern.

[@user-ef2rf3xx4b]

Sweet 😮

[@CourtesyPhone]

As interesting as I always found gnostism, it's kind of annoying when I hear people just say Iranaues and others were just "Haters" maybe they actually had philosophical and textual concerns with so called gnostic groups. Interesting podcast none the less

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

31:10❤

[@newdawnrising8110]

The early Orthodox Church used the word Gnosis in the form we know as higher knowledge. The church has no problem with this term. They understand that gnosis is part of the goal of Christianity. The groups that came along with twisted ideas like YHWY being the devil, the demiurge being the creator etc were heresy’s that needed to be put down. FYI God is not evil. The problem of evil was the cause of these early heresies. The issue is that we live in the best of all worlds and the problem of evil is the result of our limited consciousness.

[@howiewhitehouse1202]

Yea "No Stick"

[@richardkettering9532]

It seems you've given a top 10 hit list of names who were gnostic but what is gnosticism what were the beliefs? Are you a gnostic. I wanna be cause it's cool. Where can I join up (could I get arrested?)

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[@freethinker79]

"Yaldabaoth himself chose a certain man named Abraham from among the nations and made a covenant with him. To the effect that, if his seed continued to serve him, the Archons would give to them the Earth for their inheritance. Afterwards, by means of Moses, Yaldaboath brought forth Abraham's descendants from Egypt, and gave them the law, and made them Jews." --Irenaeus, "Against Heresies" (book 1, chapter 30, section 10)

[@MichaelLowry67]

Psychobabble reigns supreme.

[@SpaceDolphinPosadist]

During the Dutroux Affair in Belgium ( Mothers of Darkness cannibal pedo cult) their code word for getting in was the password Abraxas

[@rumirill]

Am Agnostic in most things Life

[@konatheblarbarian6869]

greetings, I am a trained Inuit shaman, I know, ya never heard of one before. My ancestors, like a few other tribes who remember, is older than homo sapien sapiens, with access to those memories. Also have access to Earth's memories, not just our ancestors. Saying this is to give a greater context to human capacities when not lost or stolen. The Mind is the Creator of all veils and limitations, and is the only veil to break thru. I'm sad to say this is a very limited view of the Gnostics, no offence to any beliefs, but once the truth of a subject is known, beliefs no longer apply. We, humans, project ourselves onto every perception, even our pets, especially our concepts in beliefs. So it's clear, beliefs are best guesses, with projections, when we don't KNOW. Which describes this presentation. This is all a very simple concept, and a simple resolution that can be applied. The issue is the reference points of attention in our minds, yet intellect wants it complex to understand before the experience of it. As said here, we live in the lowest, but in fact, we are all of them, but only accessing our limited ability. My simple resolution is to reveal how to access its highest view, which is as simple, easy and natural as accessing this one, it's all about your point of attention, where it is, there you are. you dont have to figure the whole thing out. It reveals itself in its experience, not in its understanding. this is the human(intellectual) imitating factor, which is revealed in this presentation, again, no offence intended, these are the facts, which I can totally back up, but prefer to give the highest experience, rather than years of intellectual description. the fundamentals are obvious and simple, requiring only 2 elements required for any point of attentions experience we'll call it Alpha(beginning of said experience) and Omega (its fulfillment or completion). these 2 elements, of which the Alpha Omega are 1, the preceding element is the power required to fulfill them, which is the stolen and lost "right of passage" or Self empowerment, which barely exist on earth anywhere anymore. These self empowering principles take about 2 months to implement, then you have the internal power to fulfill the Alpha and Omega, which in modern parlance is known as Bliss, which is not shared by any guru as truth as far as I can see in our world. Bliss is only known in its partial forms, and in its complete form, is the Alpha and Omega of all points of attention, it's the souls view, the view of the wHoly Mind of all that is, the zero point of Consciousness. Every point of attention viewed from Bliss is wHoly self revealing, obvious and evidenced, you can view all that it is, you KNOW IT as yourself. Let's stop here to see the response, I can describe the whole history of major events that have occurred on Earth, especially our modern stolen history, including the Gnostic, but be aware that the Dead Sea scrolls are our best modern evidence, and that the translations are falsified by the controllers of our world who financed their translations. I can go back in history to the beginning of dinosaurs, and their extinction, which was done on purpose, not by accident. I can tell you the real story of the great flood, of christ, of extraterrestrials(the pertinent ones to humans), the list of data is huge, but is nothing compared to giving you your own access and experience to this info, as truth is not given, it is experienced, so you won't believe me or KNOW THE TRUTH until you remember your own souls experience of it.

[@konatheblarbarian6869]

to be clear, I am not a scholar, I am an experiencer. the difference is, I Know a history as a wHole experience of its point of attention, which in no way is reflected by the recording of that history. So challenging me with it, will have no reference for me, all I can do is give my experience of it, if I have viewed that point of attention because history is as big as big is, I haven't viewed it all, mostly major events and turning points.

[@konatheblarbarian6869]

dear vickinger, thx for sharing. Like any perception, the knowledge and wisdom you have of it, the more understanding, and less confusing, it is, also the WILL your able to apply. there are only 2 aspects required, which new agers are ignorant and inaccurate about, therefore can never get beyond(99% of information online comes from the new age religion of supposed love and light), this is mostly not their fault, but they still defend their beliefs for justification. these 2 aspects are Self empowerment, your right of passage to Self fulfillment and 2nd, your connect to the Soul, your ONLY source for your TRUTH Both of these are as innate as breathing and beating your heart, but because of programming, needs work to tear down these walls of beliefs, to allow the innate to be recognized. you sound like a starseed from your commentary. This makes it even easier for you due to a limited amount of lifetimes you have lived on earth and its negative programming

[@konatheblarbarian6869]

do you, can you lucid dream?

[@konatheblarbarian6869]

the dreak itself isn't important, nor is remembering a past life, what is valuable is influencing the dream. Lucid dreaming is the first phase of potential Soul connection. If you can meditate your way into sleep with the intent to create the dream, rather than react to or just influence the dream, this is what lucid dreaming can lead to. And there's more to come with these phases, which eventually take you into creative dreaming while you're awake. There are periods when I'm asleep dreaming with my eyes open and conscious also of looking around the room I'm in at the same time, as in an overlay, it was so confusing I couldn't walk around without tripping, and one time it lasted for 3 days, awake while dreaming , and dreaming while awake, I stayed on the couch for 3 days, just being aware of everything without judgement or allowing myself to feel confused. but it was weird. eventually I could not only create my dreams, but I could direct my Consciousness to other points of attention in space and time, to ancestors and people of interest in history going back to the first and second experiences of Soul, it was extraordinarily enlightening

[@konatheblarbarian6869]

the dream itself, is what I meant to say

[@Charles-allenGodwin]

Gnosis = Being aware of being aware God = Life "Be-hold I am (Life) is come that you might have Life and have it more abundantly." Jesus = Humane Humanity Christ = at One with Life Empty of ego (separateness) = Full of Life Being aware of being aware is empty of ego Holy Spirit = Eternally actualizing Infinite potential

[@graceface420]

Looking forward to reading Bob's book!

[@James-ri3fd]

Who can give me a simple explanation on where and how I can start meditating

[@graceface420]

Here and now. If you're not sure how you could look up "guided meditation". It's where someone is talking you through the meditation.

[@91GT347]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGbUnpV7qZh3r8ksi=WJv0X-KuQ8K0eI0V

[@chartydurrant744]

Brain Scott @ Reality Revolution lots of great high quality gusided meditations and fabulous Ancient books read by him - lovely and very impactful.

[@libertylifestyles3806]

👍👍

[@nickhowarthify]

He meant archons.. not ayons. Sounds like he has mixed with measurement of ages.. eons

[@michelleramauro8602]

I wonder if one or both of you have read Jung's Answer to Job re old testament Yahweh as being an unconscious deity

[@THIRDEYEDROPS]

I’m familiar with the gist but haven’t read it. Need to!

[@figure8analogy677]

General~Omniscient~Displyer: General ~as opposed to specific; Omniscient ~with regards to its knowledge in creating life; Displayer ~of life…..Our G-o-d exists ~actually~ in the form of the capacity with infinite actualities(Space), and co-exists potentially in the form of the capacity with infinite potentialities(Consciousness)…In our g-o-d’s mind we exist, in our Minds our g-o-d co-exists; our g-o-d’s potential is being activated by us/we are actualizing our g-o-d-given potential👁️🌌👁️

[@Neiscience]

I stopped reading the text too walk them.... Yes he is Waiting, for those too take the flame, and enlightens the ones who can climb out of hades. I was the one who did the work , its the only way.

[@elliottjames671]

40:18

[@ionagibbons9906]

Gnosis to know thy self which is a phrase said by Jesus in the Bible but the path to know thy self is not the same path as shown by the Gnostics who prayed in caves. It is important to understand the significance of the darkness in a cave like Buddhists who retreat sometimes into caves. This is a time and place to experience physically biologically the changes that knowing present to you. There is actually tiny molecular tiny dots blue red gold that are everywhere but you can see a lot of the invisible world inside the darkness of a cave. Jesus knew himself to the point that he could walk on water. Because the transformed human can turn what seems impossible possible. But the transformation is as much physical biological as it is heart based. Which probably does have an alignment to the matrix as the construct of the programme or the download gets reduced to an open access capability. Like the problem is reduced because there is a down load solution. But the access to the solution comes about from unplugging. To know thy self is unplugging. But Jesus walked with his human body he said render unto Caesar what is César’s so unplugging is still participating in the programme but you now participate with knowing. So essentially you are going to be creating new code from within. That’s why the Gnostics will always be threatening to Christianity that seeks to be in chime with the construct of church not cave. Jesus was all about gnosis and this consciousness is the same consciousness in The Adam in The Eve. It’s hard wired into the design the issue is access to the code. Like all codes you need to figure it out from within. Faith is often spoken about and the church give the impression it is something acquired or needs working on. This is not so it is inbuilt into the form the body like a signature is on every cell inside the cell is the code. Like micro tech. It’s like a switch once it’s on it’s on no actual effort just it’s on it’s automatic. But the on switch is flipped or activated according to when you switch it on. Some people switch it in before they get born some switch it on later. But it’s not easy to do that inside the programme that’s why going into your personal cave your stillness and active self reflection that invisible part of you gets connected to. No structure required you and source only. After all it’s sourced code that activates and the gnostics know that so a structural church will not be anything like a gnostic path.

[@chelseasparis6369]

I would love to send these amazing men a Quran that would answer all your questions

[@UrbanPovertist]

Gnostic you keep 'your power' to yourself Christian you give it to the church. Believe in yourself or believe in the Church

[@UrbanPovertist]

Gnostic IMO is becoming Pious from wisdom and experience. Basically becoming religious from "meeting" 'God' or your higher self. Basically 'domestic Shamanism'

[@UrbanPovertist]

Domestic=Christian Feral=Pagan Very simplified

[@natashaszorkovszky1817]

Some research has shown he is very likely an emalgamation of many people from history that were taken as examples of a way to be

[@youngali1606]

He was a enlightened individual as in (one) (the only) son. Once you realize what Jesus did, you will become god-like amongst men because of Your perspectives will shift. 3D will seem flat, people translucent the beauty of it all is "religion" all of them. The mysticism, the things we decide that makes better people but don't want to commit to, the peace, the corruption, the love, the wrath. Study all, know more! Make a decision to find not except!

[@tmerk4292]

Esoteric Ranch 💀

[@xn9333]

Eh

[@CourtesyPhone]

36:12 you're either ignorant or dishonest about Christian tradition Is it better for some dude who achieved gnosis in a cave somewhere or some dude that has no understanding of mystical concepts but tried to live as christ like as posible. Christianity focuses more on virtue than divine mystical expirences for a reason.

[@TheCoyotemonster]

How do you like my channel name?

[@rtistic_Cosmic_translat3r]

Every mind religion has an icon a leader ever century we can find our leaders through this….knowledge. It’s a cosmic knowledge the natives use the same type of awarenesss❤6:20

[@susanmcdonald9088]

Just a note. I don't believe our understanding of our prehistoric ancestors is complete! There's a HUGE gap in our knowledge, especially of their rememberances, their messages, their art & petroglyphs, even their mythological archetypes! (Notice the "logos" is part of the word, mythological, meaning "the study of"). This documentary on YT, by an interdisciplinary group of plasma scientists, engineers, physicists, astronomers, comparative mythologists, & other folks, offer us a key, perhaps an entire paradigm shift. Plasma discharges are comparable to the petroglyphs found globally, stone age & beyond. It will revolutionize human history & theology, even global cultural meanings, traditions, rituals, beliefs, ALL the religions, anthropology, & archeology! EVEN spirituality. And the 3-in-1... takes on a whole new meaning! Even monotheism & the monad. We have misunderstood the ancient's message! The interpretors & translators of a primeval set of events, a reason for "sacrifices" to appease the gods, a frantic (I propose) burial of gobekli tepi... When the heavens broke out in chaos, is ALL recorded in their myths, religions, art, symbols, and huge monumental building, and is a huge gap in our knowledge of them! Traces remained, in these earliest debates & stories, even Plato's parables especially Atlantis with all its "channels" & alongside Eden, were things seen in the SKIES! Part 2, THUNDERBOLTS OF THE GODS explains all the things they're exploring, such as the unexplained aura during a solar eclipse, or even why the sun's temperature is hotter at the surface than inside, with those dark sunspots; in other words, it cannot be fusion from inside! But they are reading ancient petroglyphs, cave paintings, myths & symbols, in a whole new way. And it's astounding; you'll see things far differently, I promise. Otherwise, it's all ancient aliens, a real disservice to the ancients! (Which is not to say there isn't a ufo phenomena!). But historians, theologian, classicists, archeologists, have ALL misinterpreted important parts of their message! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6uYfpakdstmq6Msi=VZHctC7ayhbvrbXC SYMBOLS OF AN ALIEN SKY on YT by The Thunderbolts Project. BTW, the dramatic plays written & performed in Athens circa 6th century B.C. at the same time as the invention of democracy, the vote, & free speech (from the comedies, making fun of politicians), at the great Dionysiac festival, there were thousands of plays written! Only 32 survive. ...copied & recopied & translated & copied again, by the monks of those Christian orthodoxies. If only we had more of those plays! And ANTIGONE is the play for you, lol. She "goes against the system" bigtime. But in 1944, this play was put on in Paris, when it was occupied by Nazis! The underground resistance loved it! So how on earth did this play get permission to be performed? AMBIGUITY! It can be interpreted as a silly little princess, who broke the law, and "got what was coming to her"; death.

[@joshwright2286]

Ayyyeeee I'm here early. Love what you do man wish I could support more but I'm a broke bitch hahaha

[@THIRDEYEDROPS]

No worries and not necessary, man. Appreciate you!

[@eci0]

you casually mention the psychedelics use and not elaborated on that, what about it? the gnostics used psychedelic substances?

[@UrbanPovertist]

From my experience, the Gnostics were also Alchemists. Breathing the metal fumes also causes altered States. I also stumbled upon the 'jealous God' was penis Envy, actually a magic mushroom

[@UrbanPovertist]

There are old Psalter and picture Bibles that show Jesus with mushrooms 🍄

[@UrbanPovertist]

The psychedelic gospels is a book showing psychedelics in Christian art

[@THIRDEYEDROPS]

It’s a pretty major through-line of what I ramble about. Here I was just using it as an example of how to have primary, personally meaningful experiences.

[@eci0]

@@THIRDEYEDROPS Ah ok, I was hoping that there could have been some findings connecting gnosticism and psychedelics. By the way thanks for the very interesting topics that you ramble about!

[@rt-oc8ff]

yeah everyone is being persecuted supposedly by the ones who are actually being persecuted. so you made it out of the cave eh? and here you are on youtube.

[@user-bh1fo2wg1g]

Jesus teaches us a loving God and ( most ) Religions including Christianity teach us that “God” is a Stern Daddy that will give us candy if we’re “good” and give us a whooping if we’re “bad”

[@bobabernathy6108]

It’s called “ insight “ bud

[@COURRUPTIONCOIN]

Gotta be .....some guy with a Baseball cap.......😑

[@devotedtodeath]

the matrix is about gender transition