The FORBIDDEN Eye of Truth - The Lens of Truth Theory (Zelda: Ocarina of Time Theory)

[@justic7033]

very nice other theories were so tide up on the shadow temple and bongo that they always dismissed the gerudo side of it. Loving your take brother keep it up.

[@Retroatron]

That's the thing, the Gerudo knowing about the Lens of Truth begs so many questions... Glad you liked the theory!

[@labelledamedumanor4876]

The Desert Poe theory is a good one. I'd like to add a suggestion, as the Sheikah don't rely on items like the lens of truth, the lens was obviously meant for a non-Sheikah. The len's creator would obviously have teamed up with the Gerudo in order to obtain the necessary items to make the lens. Items which would only be found in the Gerudo Desert.

[@Retroatron]

That's a great thought! Although, there is something that hints at the Sheikah having relied on the Lens of Truth. When Link enters the shadow temple, he's told "The Shadow will yield only to one with the eye of truth, handed down in Kakariko Village". Thoughts on that? I have a theory I'm working on related to that dialogue, but want to wait until the next theory to share it!

[@labelledamedumanor4876]

@@Retroatron . Maybe it was a tool used to help young Sheikah develop their mind's eye skill before it became what it was meant for.

[@dbv8600]

@@Retroatron The old man does say the man who lived where the well is had "A DIFFERENT" way of doing things meaning that there is another way of seeing the truth. It fits with the idea that the lens of truth is a way of cheating instead of the hard work that the Sheika normally put in via their clan's symbol implying that Sheika in general have a kind of mind's eye.

[@adorablush]

This is such a unique take! Shadow Temple theories are my favorite and haven't heard anyone make connections like these. Amazing, looking forward to your next ones ^^

[@Retroatron]

Hey, glad you enjoyed it!

[@JoeFilms5420]

Honestly, I completely forgot about Sharp and Flat's role in Ocarina of Time. I remembered them being there but not what they did, I need to replay that game again. Great theory as always man! Keep it up!

[@Retroatron]

Can't blame you, they're super easy to skip over since you can learn the Sun's Song without ever even talking to them. Thanks for sticking around! And I must say I've really been enjoying your content, your last video about Halo was spot on... Keep up the good work as well!

[@JoeFilms5420]

@@Retroatron Thanks man, I appreciate that!

[@Twin_cia]

I think that the haunted wasteland was created By koume and kotake just so only them and ganondorf can use the spirit temple, it can be one of the reasons they brainwashed nabooru

[@DarkAngelBluejay]

There's nothing to say other Poes cannot speak. They just don't speak to Link. The Poe Sisters for example work together to block your path. This shows some means to communicate and understand. Sharp and Flat are spirits with unfinished business, the Poe in the desert seems to be the same, some sort of guide. But Dampe who should be a poe, and is a spirit with unfinished business, (passing on his treasure) Can still speak. Also, the spirits of the dead speak throughout the Well and the Shadow Temple.

[@lavieestbellexx]

Can't wait to hear more!

[@Aeonsshadow]

I like these theory. I’m interested to see where it goes. However I have a few challenges to it. 1. I think the desert colossus is older than the man who once lived in the house where the well is now. An entire temple was built out in the desert and even used as a hideout by Twinrova. I suppose it’s possible that the man who used to live near the well is hundreds of years old, but with Twinrova claiming to be more than 500 years old, I’m not sure if the man who made the lens of truth would have lived that long ago. Thus putting the spirit temple (and therefore the colossus location) before the man’s time. 2. The Poe guide itself. We don’t know if the Poe guide is male or female. Also, say the Poe did find the way to the temple via it’s “mind’s eye” (or maybe dumb luck). Perhaps the Poe cannot guide Link back because it only knows what it did in life. Perhaps in life, this person found the desert colossus, but did not make it back (dying along the way). If the Poe really was the man who “trained his mind’s eye” I would think he could find his way back. I like the theory and I love new ideas like this so I’m excited to hear more!! :) Things like this get me thinking too. So those were just my thoughts.

[@archagenteverlasting1239]

I love your Zelda theories because you have such a unique take on the series compared to other theory KZbinrs.

[@hatkidshawn4952]

I never thought of the phantom guide Poe being the man with the eye!! Love your theories!!

[@Jormunguandr]

I'm just surprised the water from the well is drinkable when you think about all the stuff down there :p

[@Retroatron]

That's a good point, might need to run that through a Brita filter or something...

[@LilacMonarch]

Probably still better than London's drinking water coming from the sewage river

[@alter6243]

Subscriber number 1,000 right here. Congrats, you deserve it.

[@Retroatron]

WOOHOO! Thank you so much, never thought I'd get to 100, let alone 1,000!

[@Hielo_Negro903]

Creative, entertaining, and authentic. Well done grasshopper.

[@dsgdsg9764]

Hey new subscriber here I love everything Zelda I can't believe I haven't found your channel yet you have talent I appreciate your work

[@a.g7891]

I love these NEW theories that are being thought up. Zelda theories have been done to death until now. Liked 👍, subscribed.

[@retrorenegade8562]

I mean this in the best way possible, this video made me fall asleep. Got a sick dorm floor nap out of it.

[@Retroatron]

As in the video bored you to sleep? Or it worked as background noise? Either way, I'm glad you got a good nap out of it!

[@retrorenegade8562]

@@Retroatron Worked as background noise! It was interesting video so I rewound to where I last remembered when I woke up.

[@Retroatron]

@@retrorenegade8562 Lol that's great! I, too, need something playing in the background if I'm taking a snooze.

[@jasonnickerson5705]

The skull necklace he wears also matches the skull paintings at the bottom of the well

[@DrunkDuckXD]

WOW

[@kaiishere016]

It's always nice when the algorithm recommends a cool new channel

[@DrunkDuckXD]

Yep, I needed this. The video on Majora being from Stone Tower really got me thinking

[@blazingpotato681]

damn one of the best zelda theory videos ive seen, great job!

[@r0b0m1r0]

Bring on the next video. Gracias!-)

[@DavidHorowitzDH]

Neat theory! I don't think there's enough info to conclude that unjust deaths are what allow Pos to keep some of their earthly characteristics, but that's not really pivotal for the rest of the video. Looking forward to watching the next theories!

[@darthjump]

You know you have made a great game when people theorize about smallest details 20 years later. I like your theory. The Desert Poe might have been something more fleshed out in the creators minds but they just used an already existing entity, a poe, due to time constraints or the Cartridge limitations.

[@fatalwaffle1715]

Awesome video bro!

[@Retroatron]

You win the award for quickest comment! Thank you, waffle :)

[@fatalwaffle1715]

You're welcome.

[@jamie_mask_west]

The moment you said “I have two other compelling pieces of evidence” an ad started for a game featuring Gandalf, but it was so sudden that it hadn’t clicked with me it was an ad! I’m watching like Wait, what’s Gandalf got to do with Zelda?!

[@Nero__Trigger1]

Amazing done!!

[@SurprisedFireflies-ik4kt]

One thing is certain, there were sheikah that defected at some point . Even if the man whi could see the truth didn't tell the gerudo about the lens it was definitely a sheikah

[@chelseadanico877]

Another very awesome interesting and very inspiring Zelda theory,very much loved and enjoyed it. I also got a ton of inspiration from this theory for the novella short story entries of the novella collection series Mysteriarch Mythos anthology that I’m working on writing.

[@TheoLofi]

Damn dude you look at this game which is now well into its 20s in ways I've never seen others do and everytime i doubt you...but in the end you convince me

[@connorv3334]

I love this! Can't wait for more

[@Retroatron]

Oh snap, we got Aragorn in the house! Thank you :)

[@bluevines1303]

i want to know what the voices mean about hyrules history of hatred and greed

[@RandomLord1992]

This felt out there but plausible. There isn't any established connection between the garudo and the lens of truth. But it never stats the poe was garudo. But the temple is connected to the sages and the Sheikah are, at least, Hylia's most devote and Zelda is the blood decent of Hylia. Maybe the Eye of Truth was meant to aid the next sage of the spirit temple or a hero to get to the temple when needed. An entertaining theory that's got my own brain going. Glad I subscribed, looking forward to more

[@Retroatron]

Great comment, appreciate the feedback! That's an interesting thought about the Lens of Truth being reserved for the next hero, there's a lot blank space to theorize on here.

[@ManyNoses]

Me: then who's bongo bongo?! You: next time we'll talk about bongo bongo Me: :)

[@AntonioM8]

What also makes sense is only the Shadow and Spirit temples contain invisible things like chests and entryways. They most likely learned from the man how to turn things invisible. The only thing outside of the Shadow/BOTW/Spirit/GTG that has invisible things is the Light trial in Ganon's Castle, not sure why though.

[@LinkLovesCrawfish]

Great theory I just have 1 question what’s the song called at 3:41 lmao You earned yourself a new subscriber Your going to be huge and grow i into one of the biggest Zelda theorists I already know

[@Retroatron]

Appreciate you! The song is by Viz Beats, a guy that makes a lot of Zelda trap remixes. Here's the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e16lq4N9pr6HgqM

[@LinkLovesCrawfish]

@@Retroatron thank you good sir I look forward to your newest video upload

[@JustIn-sr1xe]

I kinda wish they gave that poe a custom sprite like Sharp & Flat. You have to interact with it to get a couple important quest items. And it has more dialogue than a normal defeated poe, that you'd sell to the guy behind the gate, in ruined hyrule castle. Wouldn't take much, reskin Flat to purple or something. Give him something other than the conductor's baton, maybe his lamp fires a beamos attack if you try and shoot him with arrows.

[@RyuuKageDesu]

I wouldn't be surprised if all poes could talk, just that most don't bother.

[@alexkennedy519]

Dude me and you have the same theories of the man who lived at the well

[@ronandread5141]

4:15 yes poes can certainly speak in fact after you beat them they talk saying they've been beaten

[@ronandread5141]

2:50 the gerudo knew about it because of the dark interlopers, a tribe made up of mainly former Sheikah including bongo bongo himself. In fact that's probably why he was sentenced to death, he betrayed the Sheikah and created the len's of truth to help the gerudo get by in the desert. Or he stole it either way the Sheikah were not happy . I'll continue watching your video though

[@DrunkDuckXD]

I like it!

[@Zeivusgaming]

You should have used original n64 footage of bongo bongo. That footage is more satisfying and badass

[@zoa1-99.......]

I clicked on this due the thumbnail, I thought it was gonna be about One Piece because that magnifier glass looks like the emblem they used for the slaves, which turned the emblem into that of a Sun for the Sun Pirates.

[@CelestineMoon]

Nice !

[@ronandread5141]

3:05 the man never really mentioned bongo himself, or the len's, for all we know he was referring to the len's of truth when he said "a man who had an eye" maybe he meant the len's because of its shape . also this takes place around the time the Sheikah are basically down to like a handful of members. Sure ok maybe at the time before the great war things were a lot more strict but now that the Sheikah have been nearly put to extinction there's really nobody around that would punish anyone for speaking of the man who could see the truth . it's not like impa is gonna waltz on down to kakariko village and punish a old man for speaking about a traitorous Sheikah. "I'll be back princess Zelda, I have to beat up an old man for talking about bongo"

[@ronandread5141]

Plus the happy mask salesmen wouldn't be selling the Sheikah mask if the Sheikah were still strict

[@docAvid314]

"The only somewhat friendly poes we ever come across, in all of Zelda, are Sharp, and Flat", well, and the champions and King Rhoam in Breath, as well as Poe Zelda in whatever game Poe Zelda is in (I haven't played it, but see references to it), Poe Dampé from Ocarina, the toilet hand poe from a couple games, poe Link from Twilight Princess, and probably a bunch more I'm not thinking of, or don't know, but... OK, not knocking your theory, it's interesting so far, and sure, maybe so, but I had to pause to point out there are a lot of friendly poes.

[@alo3194]

Are poes the tortured people from the shadow temple

[@Retroatron]

Interesting question! I don't believe so. Those tortured in the Shadow Temple (and the Well) seem to reappear as grotesque monsters such as Dead Hands, Infinite Hands, Gibdos, and Redeads. I believe Poes are simply the spirits of any random Hyruleans who harbored regrets into death.

[@alo3194]

That makes sense

[@ronandread5141]

Invisibility is a common move poes use .

[@Frostslayer3]

was this footage filmed with ship of harkinian

[@ronandread5141]

Alright I watched the whole thing now and I'm still not convinced, it's a possibility but I don't believe it . why would the Poe guide keep the len's of truth in the bottom of the well, if it was meant to be given to the gerudo and how come the gerudo don't have one ? Unless the Sheikah destroyed them but the gerudo would have at least kept a few . one could say that he only made one but like I said why kakariko village ? If the Sheikah took it from him they'd seal it somewhere. In the shadow temple or they'd destroy it , they couldn't have a object that could help their enemies . Also why would he be running from ganondorf if he made the len's for ganondorfs tribe ? As for the lantern being gone you got me there but there's no mention of the man seeing the truth being able to turn invisible

[@ronandread5141]

It's possible he helped make it though

[@robertsmall5168]

1:36-2:03 not to be that guy, but you did sound a bit rude trying to downgrade that widely believed theory

[@Retroatron]

Not my intent! I was trying to (sarcastically) bring attention to the very odd timeline of events that would be needed to support that theory.

[@jacobj3933]

Lost me there at "A long time ago". Too long! Too long!

[@LovelyHick]

The way you describe past theories like "yadah yadah Bongo Bongo yadah hands something neck eye bs bla bla" make me think you never came across these, if you didnt i think you will love these from 2014. Zelda Theory: Shadow Temple Greek Roots, Sheikah Genocide | Macintyre Zelda Theory: Hyrulean Civil War, Sheikah/ Interloper Mass Exodus | Macintyre Zelda Theory: Ganondorf is GOOD? | Macintyre

[@LovelyHick]

Also The Legend of Zelda Theory: Stone Tower Temple by VortexxyGaming