The "Forgotten" Elements | 5 Rare Beam Skills

[@peachiethecat]

Bring back the handstand presses. Such an impressive display of strength, control, and gracefulness.

[@christinalee2072]

Right! And if u can’t show off handstands in gymnastics it’s just weird imo!!

[@mdml0]

I think it disappeared when the focus on connecting skills became the focal point

[@1itslaurahere1]

I will not rest until FIG gives a bonus for difficult mounts, both on the beam and on the UB

[@mel...s]

Lol

[@anikokoren3417]

I believe the mount should count towards the 8 counted elements like the dismount does

[@im_so_rachel]

AMEN.

[@_va_773]

We'll fight together

[@tomschmidt5810]

How about a .2 deduction for an elite routine with an A valued mount, and a .1 deduction for a B value?

[@Australianbutterfly]

They should allow difficulty, creativity and power together. I find modern gymnastics boring due to the lack of diversity

[@AvaCherry189]

Agreed

[@Lady.B0420]

Same. It is so cookie cutter now.

[@merccadoosis8847]

Agree 100%. I loved this sport for many decades but find it boring and routine today. This is not to denigrate the efforts of the athletes, of course. My objection being that we do not see the creativity and flexibility that we enjoyed watching in the past.

[@JSUN19]

I dare you to get on that beam and do it !!!!!!!

[@RoxxyFly]

Honestly!! The point system really has watered down the sport. I used to love watching gymnastics when I was younger but like he said at the start. Its predictable now.

[@CourtneyK87]

I've always thought a handstand element should be required on beam

[@findingthatperfectspot4692]

Ditto. I loved the handstands included in 1970s and 1980s beam routines. They were one of the reasons I fell in love with gymnastics!

[@simonealexander7313]

In the 2001 COP there was a requirement for a "hold" element, and that could be a handstand, arabesque or planche. I thought it was a great initiative as you had to show balance, but it was ditched after a couple of years.

[@literology1329]

Agree. I wish I could like this more than once.

[@GoofyGooberClubMember]

Yas

[@carliecole2563]

AGREED!! and it looks SO elegant when done well... And clearly requires an absolutely tremendous amount of strength; especially when HOLDING that handstand position for an extending period of time (ie: to take it further from simply just a handstand into something more- like the "Phillips Mount" shown at the end of this video. You can't tell me that doesn't look both VERY elegant & quite pretty/"artistic" & it's also pretty damn impressive to hold yourself in not just that one position but to do so and keep the flow of the routine coming going at the same time is truly quite a masterful skill and it definitely helps break the routine up and the monotony of most being routine today! I would definitely like to see and come back! Or who else's skill is it that I can never remember imhjnj totme of the gymnast who did it I think it was an American in the 90s who mounted the beam it did like a one-handed handstand the very beginning that was really impressive l too?!?!!!

[@BlackKettleRanch]

I watched a documentary showing a history of gymnastics since the 1950's. In my opinion, the emphasis on classical dance needs to be reintroduced, especially for the floor exercize. It's the difference between night and day in the quality of the routines. And you can see it used on the beam, as well. While today's gymnasts do incredible maneuvers that require a certain type of discipline, the routines have become repetitive and limited. Today, it's more about how many rotations a gymnastic can accomplish without a balance of grace, creativity, and flexibility, as shown in this video. I say, get real. Rate the difficulty correctly, and cut the gymnast's creativity loose. Let them achieve their real potential.

[@flowerchild6201]

I so agree

[@majormana1]

yeah I always thought floor and beam where about combination of tumbling and dance. Bar it's own thing show own skills. And vault to to show off tumbling only

[@herbiethekat3637]

Fig screwed up the sport when they changed the scoring.

[@bionda470]

I would introduce dance for the men as well!

[@kgoulding1237]

Yes the Philips is amazing I wish beam routines would showcase more balance and flexibility.

[@FUB654]

Yes! I absolutely loved watching her beam routines as a kid. Absolutely amazing flexibility.

[@HospedeDoTempo]

Totally agree

[@GloriamMonarchia]

It would also be less threatening to the life & wellbeing of a gymnast than tumbling and acrobatics. All in all... This is a personal opinion no one else has to share, but I feel kind of unhappy that society has decided to acclaim and reward, in this sport, very dangerous moves - whose great added value for "difficulty" comes out of the fact that they are, in fact, very dangerous. The young children who go into these sports do so more out of circumstances they cannot control rather than because it pleases them - and I know for a fact that in my native Romania, famous for its world-class gymnasts, they used to treat them in a very sadistic way. When I was a child I witnessed coaches beating the girls up during training sessions, gaslighting their injuries, humiliating them, overtraining as a standard, and there is certainly a lot of abuse still going on in there - making the lives of some gymnasts miserable. Now add how elements & moves that involve great danger are the ones you must perform to win - and you create a perfectly rounded crime on the gymnasts themselves. A lot of viewers never get to understand what happens behind the competitions and cameras. We just marvel at the performances.

[@rebeccasoto9592]

I agree that more dynamic skills are quite imminently dangerous. But the dangerous of pushing your back flexibility to its limits, for example, is very dangerous as well. I just can’t imagine what the Phillips does to your spine over the course of years and years. I’m sure there is research that can point to which is worse but the 80’s and 90’s eras were not without their share of injuries.

[@JSUN19]

AGREED !!!!!!

[@amandaa2152]

Low beam work is very graceful and elegant yet underappreciated.

[@ShelleeGraham]

The “Garrison” adaptation of the Valdez is a such a lovely, surprising move. Always enjoyed watching Kelly do that in her beam routine. Also, the close-to-the-beam move that Shawn Johnson did 20 years later. Forget the name of that one. Both pretty.

[@rg1whiteywins598]

I like all of these a lot. Please make gymnastics interesting again. There were so many exciting skills back in 1970-1990 that even my uncle's who were in their 50s and 60s liked watching it when I had gymnastics on TV. And back in 1976 I had a cool mount that I still haven't seen anyone else do yet.

[@patchoulidance]

What mount was that?

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

Post a vid!

[@mindyschocolate]

The Phillips is amazing. I miss the days of pressed handstands and balance/strength moves.

[@prte23lv1yha4lv]

my favorite is the mount that shows off incredible strength that unfortunately we never see anymore. Theres nothing like witnessing such strength and poise at the same time. Ill take that over the acrobatics any day

[@stvp68]

I wish they would increase the scores for strength balance and flexibility moves so that we see less tumbling on the beam.

[@tilmanrotationalinvariant2257]

Won't happen, as long america has something to say.

[@bettie325]

Agreed. Then raise the time allowed on the beam to 110 seconds and we might see some interesting mounts again

[@margotloeffen4221]

And, if there wasnt all this focus on 'artistry', flaying arms and legs​ in 'artistic moves', there would be ample time to do gorgeous presses and holds!! @@bettie325

[@fishtail1129]

The elements requiring crazy back flexibility favor much younger gymnasts, since after puberty it’s almost impossible for your back to do that. With the increase in average age of elite gymnasts (a good thing IMO) we are even less likely to see skills like that.

[@mygirldarby]

Flexibility is born and not substantially lost through puberty. There are 60 year old contortionists who can do the same extremely flexible moves that they did at 12 years old, even without continued practice. We lose a small amount of flexibility when we get older, but it's less than one might think. Mykayla Skinner has spoken about her innate lack of flexibility many times on her channel. It isn't something she's capable of changing, according to her, and comes down to genetics.

[@candacebordelonph.d.8890]

@@mygirldarby there are different types of flexibility. Muscular flexibility, range of motion in the joint itself (which is skeletal in nature), as well as varying degrees of spinal flexibility and ability to tilt the pelvis. Some is anatomical while others can be developed through training.

[@Cubsmom08282008]

Christie Phillips was rumored to have been born missing a vertebrae or 2, I'm not sure if that's true but it would explain how she can touch her butt to her head...I got close, I had a similar handstand move (many years ago) but could never get my butt that close to my head

[@arditaferrari3546]

Rythmyc gymnasts do more than that in their 20s-30s so it is just a small loss that can be helped with training. While having big muscles actually makes a lot of difference!

[@potocatepetl]

@@Cubsmom08282008 That makes no sense

[@admm106]

I remember when Kristie Phillips made the cover of Sports Illustrated in her pose in 86. I loved to watch her perform. Too bad strength and balance moves took a backseat to tumbling instead. I hated beam as a kid but marveled at those who made it look effortless.

[@benjalucian1515]

Sad story on her.

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

​@@benjalucian1515 what happened

[@benjalucian1515]

@@wendyleeconnelly2939 - Her mother was a holy roller, who put her daughter up on pedestal, was a Karen who badmouthed the other gymnasts and was catty with the other mothers, always happy to tell them when their children messed up at practices, she "claimed" a chair and got upset if anyone sat in it to watch the practices. She lived through Kristie, even having a portrait of her spray painted on their van. Then Kristie peaked a year too early, her body changed and she could no longer do the tricks she'd excelled in before. Ended up a sorority girl with an eating disorder.

[@SU7329]

I thought that the fact that she was able to do an amazing perfect undercut backhand spring step out was my favorite part of the video. I always enjoy watching these.

[@Carlito-Fxwg]

Oh the Philips, man the power and flexibility of that move is incredible..Much Respect to her.

[@guardianofthegalaxy2051]

My back hurts watching the ‘Phillips’.

[@rhondamartin3575]

I miss the oldstyle routines and scores up to 10. Originality, difficulty!! Style like there use to be! I loved the Phillips mount! Beautiful ❤️

[@sophier5508]

I hope you make another video of the forgotten elements in 10 years and we have the wolf turn in it ;)

[@mariaellis2882]

Ugly wolf turns and literally everybody does them. And that candle mount is so ugly too.

[@jenborn5358]

Agreed!!

[@sofiacampusano5459]

Amen

[@volodymyrdolia6544]

Some of them just don't worth it. Why doing aerial walkover to two feet, if it's worth the same and, as you said, harder to connect and not so pleasing aesthetically? As for the Philips, it's not the matter of choice, it's down to the body type. It most probably would hurt as hell if you don't have a snake's back.

[@leelab8307]

While harder to connect I find the aerial walkover to two very aesthetically pleasing! A bit strange as I hate the Onodi to two feet.

[@owtsydr]

The last one is my favorite! It made my back hurt just looking at her back bend in a contortionist stance! Damn!

[@katiewilliams6266]

I was complaining about how current gymnastics is boring compared to old gymnastics to a non gymnast and they were surprised when i told them there’s no bonus or anything for creativity in routines. they were like “but it’s called artistic gymnastics”

[@benjalucian1515]

I think it matters where you live. It's not called that where I live.

[@bloodrainicorn6193]

I got a call from my chiropractor just from watching that Phillips mount.

[@growingwildfitness9670]

It's the Phillips mount for me!!🦋💫 3:14

[@withtheangelss]

the handstand in the thumbnail is amazing.

[@gymcentric5727]

Long Jies Tsavdaridou is still one of the most beautiful pieces of gymnastics of all time!

[@Becca-oi1hq]

I miss the artistry and beautiful lines gymnastics used to have. Now I’m not even interested in watching...it’s mostly tumbling. Lacking grace.

[@שרלילה-ג6כ]

Kristie Phillips is amazing!! They're all great, but she shows so much flexibility and elegangce.

[@Marketoromagnolo]

stupid code of points, Tsavdaridou ( but was competed already in 80's by urss gymnasts) should be a F element, and The Tusek only a d????

[@withtheangelss]

the front aerial to two feet is beautiful to me. could you list the gymnasts who performed it please? also, i don’t understand why a front aerial is rated the same as a front tuck. point one, it is much harder to keep your legs straight throughout in a split position during a salto than in a tucked position. the tucked position also is better for rotation than a split leg position. point two, taking off from one foot seems harder to me, since i can do a front tuck, but would find it much harder to do it from one foot, let alone while maintaining a split position with straight legs. it is also harder to get enough rotation or power.

[@samvermeiren480]

i think it is sandra raluca izbasa (ROU)

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Sandra Izbasa from Romania during the 2006-08 quad

[@stonedleader8279]

I only saw one that looked graceful in there and it's awkward to connect things to that

[@99ilana]

I'm not a gymnast but a front tuck requires much more power to get the height for the rotation. That is why most gymnasts need a run up to do a front tuck but an aerial is done from standing

[@stonedleader8279]

@@99ilana true and they're very different other than the fact they are forward tumbling

[@leelab8307]

I love all of those elements. Sadly the Cop is s creativity and grace killer in modern gymnastics.

[@kevinjewell233]

Front walkover to two feet could be super cool if connected to a punch front or Grigoras....

[@carltonposey369]

Is Shannon Miller the only gymnast to do the Miller? I don’t I have seen anyone but Shannon do it.

[@Amilliondreams87]

I really miss the artistry, the sport has become so mechanical

[@robcrisall787]

I thought Groshkova did the back handspring like that before anyone else. I remember her doing that in 1989

[@MrMartinportnoy]

You're exactly right... I don't understand why it's named after Toussek

[@lawmanpin]

The Phillips! Definitely should make a come back!

[@Plaspos]

They should have an originality bonus where they essentially would take all 96 routines from the World all-around final + the 32 event final routines, and any skill that appeared in those 128 once or didn't appear at all would get +0.1 bonus in the next calendar year.

[@alizah8042]

Oooooh that's a great idea!!! It might be a little more skewed towards difficulty than you might want though - if they did that, Simone Biles would be even more high-scoring than she already is because no one else can do the moves she does, especially on floor. also, you might find even more uniformity happening due to many gymnasts taking advantage of the same boosted skill that's near enough to their current skills that they can perform it without worrying too much about injury. Perhaps the solution is to place a level of difficulty cap on the originality bonus -- any skill rated C (or D?? Idk) or under is eligible to get the bonus, but not anything higher.

[@Plaspos]

@@alizah8042 I think the difficulty is fine. The biles I is undervalued compared to the Silivas when everyone is doing a Silivas and biles is the only one to do the biles. Same with other difficult but undervalued skills like the Maldonado

[@gerritduplessis7122]

Wonderful!! Most excellent! Greatly Appreciated! Thank you!! Blessings!

[@TheBeverly7]

This is an excellent video!!!

[@keller109]

The code needs to work more in accommodating people’s strengths. There are acrobatic skills that can still be labeled as dance elements that are equally as difficult as a lot of this tumbling skills. Even acrobats in a circus have more grace and fluid movements than the girls competing now.

[@lemonacidrounds7293]

2:30 Both landings are very beautiful to watch!

[@gerritduplessis7122]

!!! Great Scott!!

[@JoaoAlvez87]

Tousek is insane, most beautiful 👏🏽👏🏽

[@juliagrund816]

The Phillips looks so amazing

[@withtheangelss]

wait is the arena at 3:25 the arena used at the 2020 friendship and solidarity competition?

[@sieghildvonheim651]

i love the philips, its rare. most gymnasts are focusing on tumbling on the beam

[@amyg4115]

You should add Shawn Johnson’s chest cartwheel on beam. I love that part of her routines

[@benjalucian1515]

I think the aerial to one foot is easier as it allows the gymnast to maintain her balance with the first foot before bringing the 2nd one down. I think it's more risky landing two feet at the same time, because if she's off, there's no saving it.

[@mikemallimo9286]

Since I first saw her do it in the mid 80’s The Phillips has always been my favorite.

[@matrix-theoriginal.7266]

At the beginning I almost expected to see some skills I have already heard of in this kind of videos but I surprised by the Garrison and Phillips that not only I had never heard of until now but now are also some of my favourite elements already.😅

[@vanessareal9826]

What are the ratings about? Is D rating mean it's difficult or easy? Don't get it.

[@kyokojohnfan]

Skills are rated A to I (currently the highest rating). A being the easiest and lowest points, I the hardest and has the highest points.

[@JSUN19]

The last one !!! Flexibility is AWSOME !!!!!

[@talialawee5997]

Can we just acknowledge how undervalued the first skill is? Like the loso mount is worth more

[@potocatepetl]

There are tumbling gymnastics and trampoline, I will never understand why ARTISTIC gymnastics has to concentrate on tumbling. There is no artistry in the current gymnastics anymore... No wonder the sport lost its fan base.

[@albertitomoon5002]

A backhanspring sideways on the beam is rated the same as a jump full turn... wtf

[@alizah8042]

Yeah honestly the skills that are analogous in the COP are just crazy and objectively wrong for many of them. It blows my mind. It's so lazy. WAG is like THE biggest and most famous part of FIG and they still do so poorly with their COP?! It makes me so mad.

[@budgiebreder]

Id love to see some of these older moves bought back.

[@herbiethekat3637]

Gymnastics is so boring now. Floor routine are men’s with music. The changes that have been made after Tokyo I think will help.

[@meh5036]

OMG THE PHILIPS ONE LOOKS LIKE A CONTORTED SLINKY ITS SO COOL

[@TheGymnast71]

iVE ALWAYS loved the phillips. I saw her live and it was aamzing.

[@sarahdon3165]

They all looked so good but number 4 was my favourite. I do wish that there was more diversity in the beam like it used to have xx

[@llddau]

Damn I love the sideways stuff! It looks so interesting and I’d like to see those things instead of the prancing and posing stuff.

[@albertitomoon5002]

Round off back flip full twist swing down beam mount IS RATED D?!

[@anikokoren3417]

I would give it at least E...

[@mr.balloffur]

Kelly Garrison was an amazing beam worker

[@jordanbaines9673]

The phillips is such an impressive and looks so beautiful. I completely blame the COD for the lack of diversity in beam routines. They don't give enough value to dance/non-acrobatic elements so people don't do them as much.

[@LUNA-sb1xf]

all these skills look difficult and elegant✨. it's a pity that not only gymnastics but also figure skating is becoming boring due to the judging system mainly valuing the number of revolutions in jumps (even if not done accurately enough), rather than the combination of artistry, creativity, athleticism, and precision.

[@johnnyli4702]

Does anyone remember the name of the skill called something like "basket drop" or something? It's like a back dive to a shoulder stand?

[@ihavegymnastics]

That last one is crazy......

[@CherryFruitSnack]

Thank you for reminding people of the tousek

[@elizabethmelas2013]

Tsavaridou represent🇬🇷

[@dylanthepickle6428]

I love the arial walkover!

[@GenivalSiqueira]

Amazing

[@danasuperstar]

It would be interesting to see a Phillips - Tousek attempted :)

[@janetmiller2980]

Tousek I would like to see return.

[@darrylrutledge6719]

I'm surprised " the Okino" and " the Teza" weren't mentioned. American Betty Okino and Elvire Teza of France had risky moves named after them. The wolf turn is close to the Okino but the Teza was always terrifying to watch, I doubt anyone will ever try it.

[@lisafink98]

I think the code has ruined artistic creativity & originality, forcing gymnasts to focus on the highest rated skills and consequently all the routines look alike.

[@barryscott6222]

Biles is the epitome of playing to the rules here - and her routines are completely boring as a result. We can only wish that at some point, the rule makers decide to change direction, and start rewarding taking a risk creatively. Except - that is not how bureaucrats think, is it...

[@Mick_Ts_Chick]

That would make too much sense. We can't be having any of THAT can we? 🤣

[@clairemercier3969]

The Philipps. So stunning!

[@dsantamaria713]

Shame they don't let these kids do what they do best.. They were all just great! ♥️

[@PaigeIrene15]

I hope we do go back to some of the strengthen and flexibility elements. it does showcase a little bit more diversity between gymnasts adn their abilities. would just open up a wider range of routines that can also score well

[@krista2216]

Ah, the Phillips is beautiful! Problem is, I doubt there are many who could do this...

[@coriner1475]

In level nine doing high to low bar skills (Overshoot and PAC) you don’t get any bonus but in level ten you do which is weird

[@amarapaul7982]

The Front aerial to two feet is technically a front toss

[@bunnyXdoll]

Happy Thanksgiving! (If you celebrate it!)

[@khelisiesalvatore8173]

I really liked all of them and there is no reason for gymnasts not y o use any of these skills. Maybe the coaches need to stop being formulaic and get creative. I can understand if you don't have an extremely flexible back like Phillips it looked like things I've seen in Cirque du Soleil which would be perfect for the Chinese who usually have that kind of flexibility to use. The Garisson was nice as a dance element touching the beam I don't know what values in the current COP would be higher than B or if there's anything that could get you a connection bonus with 2 dance elements touching the beam in a row. The rest of them and their variations should be used everyone in the past hated doing compulsories so why make your routine look, like everyone else's? It pretty much adds to the same thing. Shawn Johnson used to do a move from the side position I think it might have been a turn, for variety's sake I'd like to see that side facing move get used. All these D rated elements not being used... smh.

[@georgeroyce3459]

Can you do high bar?

[@Rog5446]

My favourite was the backward double ruptured Honolulu split.

[@bagelized]

Idk why, but I don’t really like the Garrison.

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Tbh I would’ve mistaken it for choreography if I didn’t know better, it looks smooth somehow

[@shanzheny8721]

@@gymnasticsmasterclass sme

[@tilmanrotationalinvariant2257]

looks easy, but seems quite hard, when you think closely about it

[@rainneyfabrayrfcool6288]

The worley is always forgotten but its one of my faves

[@virginiastirnweis.6496]

The last one was amazing. Looked like her back would snap

[@claudiamarzi9396]

Phillips wonderful!!!

[@digitalscribbler68]

"The reasons for lack of variety are diverse." Kinda invites the viewer to continue watching.

[@larab.8765]

The last one is so beautiful

[@reallyseriously7020]

I've been a gymnastics fan since 1980 and have never heard the term flick-flack.

[@gymnasticsmasterclass]

Have you ever read the Code of Points?

[@demonica4012]

I miss seeing the strength aspects on beam

[@stefanweber9084]

Wo was the female gymnast betwenn 3,41 min and 3.43 min ? Fantastic Plange on the Balance Beam !!

[@SchroderCat]

Geez, I thought the purpose of the beam was to showcase strength and flexibility. These news rules are stultifying what used to be a sport.

[@mst3kanita]

I didn’t know there were two garrison skills!

[@sallydaniel1023]

I've always like the Garrison for its uniqueness 👍

[@kimwilliford6303]

The walkover aereal

[@ginagogeanfan4791]

Ok, but how is the Tsavdaridou a D??