The Forgotten Kyrgyz Empire (840-1206) | Historical Turkic States

As a consequence of the Göktürk's fall from grace in the 8th century, many new Turkic states were established. But while the Uyghur Empire ruled as a successor state for nearly a century, they, too, were soon overthrown by another Turkic entity: the Kyrgyz. Probably originating from the Yenisei river, these Turkic people are among the most ancient Turks we know of. They used to be part of the Tiele Federation and, by the 6th century, settled near the Altai-Sayan mountainous area. The Kyrgyz were subjugated by both the Göktürks (twice) and later the Uyghurs. But in 840 CE, their time had come to finally break free and create their own Empire.
But was the Kyrgyz Empire really an "Empire", after all? Let's find out.
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BOOK 2: [Coming Soon]
00:00-01:33 Introduction
01:34-06:41 Mysterious Origins
06:42-10:00 Rise to Power
10:01-14:08 Empire or no Empire?
14:09-16:54 Lasting Legacy

[@Reader_curiosity]

The Yenisei Kyrgyz people were not complete nomads, as they were probably semi-nomadic. And Chinese records mentioned that the Kyrgyz people practiced agriculture, and this was proven in archaeology, where archaeologists discovered agricultural tools and agricultural crops during the era of the Kyrgyz Yenisei. The book Hudud al-'Alam, The Borders of the World, mentioned that there is a city in the land of the Kyrgyz in which the Khaghan resides. He also mentioned that the Kyrgyz people trade in musk materials, lint, wood and ships. Many Kyrgyz runic inscriptions have been discovered. The historian Al-Hamdani mentioned in the book "Histories of the Mongols" that the land of the Kyrgyz is agricultural and contains some cities. Archaeologists have discovered an ancient city in the Yenisei River region dating back to the era of the Xiongnu Empire and containing a large palace. Indeed, the history of the Kyrgyz-Yenisei kingdom is ambiguous, especially since archeology studies are still backward in the lands of Mongolia and southern Siberia. It was likely that it was a local kingdom within the country of the Yenisei River in southern Siberia, or perhaps it was satisfied with the steppe lands of Mongolia with southern Siberia, and later with the expansions of the Khitan Liao kingdom, its influence retreated to the borders of the lands of the Yenisei River. The great migration of the Kyrgyz people from southern Siberia to Kyrgyzstan today seems to have occurred in the late Middle Ages or early modern era.

[@chuluunsugarragchaa6659]

@Reader_curiosity 100% nomadism doesn't exist. Even the most nomadic mongols used to have (and still have) some sort of agriculture.

[@qyrylgys_el]

thank you for the video, but unfortunately most of the video is unreliable. Firstly, you said that the Kyrgyz never built structures, but the Arab geographer Al Idrisi mentions the cities of Khirkhir, Daraid-Khirkhir, Nashran, Khakan-Khirkhir in his work. Also on the territory of Khakassia is the Kyrgyz fortress "Tarpig", in addition, in the Persian work "Hudud-al Alam" the capital of the Kyrgyz Khaganate - the city of Kemijkat is mentioned. Secondly, you said that "El" means the people, not the state. This is a misconception, since even the Turkic Khaganate had the self-name Türük El, that is, the state of the Turks. I do not blame you, but your main mistake is that you used Wikipedia as a source, the Kyrgyz made trips to China, Tibet, Tien Shan, East Turkestan, Manchuria and so on. If you used wikipedia as a source, then you could study the articles "Alp Sol Tepek" and "Yingwu Qaghan", I'm not being rude to you, but I expected more when I asked you to make a video about the Kyrgyz, sorry.

[@Ozan-qr7hu]

I don't know if what you say is true but if you are correct, then the reliability of other videos are also in question.

[@arikanmetselfactori]

trued

[@edwardsnowden8821]

there is no place called east Turkestan

[@uxaines8910]

Bro spitting facts

[@malagebide]

stupid

[@navigatorkg4006]

Alga KYRGYZ✊🏼🇰🇬⚔️

[@Kariakas]

Very informative and interesting.

[@dreamadventure8220]

Its amazing how Turkic people like Kyrgiz, Mongolian, Tibetan, Uighurs, Altai etc once a formidable force of Asia have all lost their steam at present day.

[@pugilist102]

Technology changes geographical advantage. During their height, the technology of the time, cavalry and composite bow, ensured their significance and dominance of the Silk Road. With the advent of deep water navigation and gun powder, their military power waned as did the importance of the Silk Road. Notice that the first European powers that thrived under these new technologies are Portugal and Spain, geographically located on a peninsula, giving easy access to the seas. Excerpt from The End of The World Is Just The Beginning by Peter Zehien.

[@joebidet2050]

Wait....Mongolian are turks? 😂

[@pugilist102]

@@joebidet2050 Yes. The Mongols was just the latest iteration of a Steppe Confederation...such as the Xiongnu, Huns, Gork Turks, etc. Mongol is an Altaic language, like Turkic. Mongols were the inner tribe. The outer tribes were Turks. The vast majority of the Mongol Army where Turks. At the Battle of Ain Jalut, the Mamluks defeated the Mongol vanguard. The Mamluks consisted mostly of slave soldiers, Kipchcak Turks. So where the Mongols. In fact, the ruling powers of the middle east have been Turks since the Seljuk. Seljuk, Mongol, Mamluk, Ottoman are all Turks.

[@ElBandito]

@@pugilist102 According to historians, the Mongols were related to the Rouran, the Donghu, and the Khitans. Those were not Turkic.

[@pugilist102]

@@ElBandito Mongol tribe is it's own thing. Mongol's Steppe army and empire were mostly Turks.

[@marsumars]

Unfortunately, your video left me unsatisfied. You make ancient kyrgyz people seem barbaric, like they were just some nomads, willing to destroy everything and not even rule over it. Should’ve talked more about kyrgyz smithery, complex governmental system, etc. The map online is not “rubbish” as you’ve said. It is the Kyrgyz Khaganate at it’s max extension. Kyrgyz people controled this region for not so long, but they in fact did control it all at once. It’s proven by kyrgyz rune stones in Manchuria, Central Asia, Tibet, etc. Wish you best from Kyrgyzstan🇰🇬, but unfortunately your video has left us offended.

[@kyrgyzsanjar]

Everyone was barbaric, such were the rules back then…

[@MsTrinity911]

I've just discovered your chanel. This is so amazing 😮 I ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ the history of Asia. Especially what was in middle Asia like Altey and Mongolian history. 🙏👍

[@AltynbekKalybekov]

Автор сказал лишь малое часть истории Енисейских кыргызов

[@gandhininterligi3504]

This is not mongolian history this is Turkish history.

[@Madiar99]

​@@gandhininterligi3504Turkic*

[@houston429]

Sorry but it not reliable in short. I propose to remake the video and post it again, I think many will like it. Hello from Kyrgyzstan

[@kyrgyzsanjar]

Fascinating! Thank you for teaching the history of my people!

[@sultanprimov8585]

Fake Historia

[@user-pg4uu6tu7h]

За что спасибо?!За фейк

[@CoffeeSuccubus]

I find it funny how Kyrgyzstan is like how Ghana is Both arent in the same locations Except Ghana isnt the same as the other Ghana. Kyrgyz meanwhile went to their area they are now

[@Nomad2293]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH ❤

[@user-pg4uu6tu7h]

За что спасибо? За искажение истории наших предков....?

[@Nomad2293]

@@user-pg4uu6tu7h а где здесь искажение истории?

[@khanimran7465]

Love your video's enlightening the people's an how the turkic people's played a massive role in nearly every country an into east Europe that is a great achievement THE GREAT TURKIC EMPIRES 🐎

[@sulfoaganz3795]

Selamualeykum Kahn kardeşim, Bilmiyorum beni hatırlaya bildin'mi ? Sana bir kere de bu sebeb'den yazmışdım , ve senin yaptın işinden gurur duyuyorum çünkü sen benim geçmişimi bu yoldan öğretiyorsun bu çok mühüm senin yaptın çünkü bizleri nerden gedimizi çok kişilere unuturdular yani türklerin çoğu bilmiyor bile türk kimdir ! O yüzden Kardeşim sana rica ediyorum bu konuşma dili terçüme koy da herkes dilinde anlayabilsin çünkü herks enlish bilmiyor !?Sana bir zamet bunu yap da bende ve benim gibi çok kimse anlasın ne anlatını! Axi takdirde benim icin bu üyü bir şeye yaramaz ve aboyu kapatmam gerek eder ! Sana sagılar ve devam başarılar diliyorum¡! Takipcin!

[@madinasalixova5027]

Turkics were warriors, great and indomitable. This video and many countries in history are proof of that. Greetings from the Uzbeks to the Kyrgyz!!!

[@Tilka_Kolkata]

Thank you so much, God grant you good health

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

In the middle of the sixth century the Turkic group bearing the ethnonym Türk crushed the Ruanruan and gained control of the castern steppes for the next few hundred years. The subsequent Türk empires at times also controlled Mongolic and Para-Mongolic peoples, including the Khitan, who copied political and organizational terms from Turkic. During this period, the ancestors of the historical Mongols are likely to have been contained within the entities known by the names Otuz Tatar (Shiwei) and Toquz Tatar (Southern Shiwei), located east and southeast of Lake Baikal. West and north of the lake were the Turkic Üc Qurigan, the linguistic ancestors of the Yakut. In 742 the Türk were defeated by the likewise Turkic confederation of the Uighur, who, in turn, were pushed aside by the Ancient Kirghiz in the 840s. Some Uighur tribes took refuge with the Otuz Tatar, but most of them withdrew to the oases of Eastern Turkestan. The Uighur then never returned to the steppes, even when they were invited by the Khitan, who had overcome the Kirghiz in the 920s. In the twelfth century, part of the Khitan, subseqently known as the Black Khitan (Qara Qitay), migrated westward to Central Asia and became Turkicized. In Mongolia, the immediate linguistic ancestors of the historical Mongols spread Mongolic (Pre-Proto- Mongolic) speech to territories previously held by Turkic speaking populations. The Mongols mainly occupied the basins of the rivers Orkhon and Kerulen, but the closely related Kereit and Naiman tribes expanded further to the west. Both the Kereit and espe- cially the Naiman may have contained unassimilated Turkic elements, as is suggested by the occurrence of Turkic names and titles among them. Janhunen, J. (2011) The Mongolic languages. London: Routledge. p.406

[@armorman8737]

but Tatar Confrederation/Nine Tatar/Tokuz Tatar in Eastern Mongolia descendant of Doghu Proto Mongol Rouran Khaganate

[@armorman8737]

Genghis Khan from Mengwu Shiwei

[@edwardsnowden8821]

free Kurdistan

[@kagancapar]

Harika işler yapıyorsunuz.

[@tursuntongra6706]

Yenisei Qirghiz were a semi-nomadic group of people. "As has been indicated, it is clear from Chinese information and archaeological records that the Kyrgyz of the Yenisei region practiced an economy that included a significant agricultural element along with pastoralism. They lived in or near the region's river valleys, and their environment was suitable for the growing of dry-field grains such as millet, barley, and wheat. Chinese sources speak of sowing and reaping, and archeological excavations have unearthed ploughshares (from wooden ploughs requiring draught animals to pull them) and sickles in the area.... Kyrgyz dwellings reflected their environment and mixed economy of agriculture and pastoralism; according to the Chinese, the Kyrgyz had permanent wooden houses covered with bark for use in the winter months especially as well as tents." Michael Drompp. The Yenisei Kyrgyz from Early Times to the Mongol Conquest And because the Qirghiz were not pure nomads, they had access to heavy armored cavalry just like Uyghurs and Köktürks. Light cavalry Mongols of Genghis Khan would later use this to their advantage as they themselves were pure nomads and therefore did not have blacksmiths. Mongols used Qocho Uyghur and Yenisei Qirghiz heavy cavalry forces against the heavy cavalry contingents of their enemies like the Tanguts in the East or Khwarezmians in the West.

[@angelvee07]

Can you do an episode on the Veneti peoples?

[@shoudy2635]

to be honest, this video is a complete failure. almost everything said is not true, it is very superficial and even insulting to some extent, it was extremely difficult for me as a descendant of the yenisei kyrgyz and a person who studied their history to watch this video. your past videos about uyghurs, oghuzs and others are on a completely different level

[@tursuntongra6706]

El, Il, Ulush - given the right context these terms mean "country" in Old Turkic. Qighiz El - Country of Qirghiz, Qocho El/Ulush + other documented name On Uyghur El/Ulush - country of Qocho/Country of ten Uyghurs. "State" is modern European concept.

[@whyamihere2250]

Hello my uigher and turkic brother we r all nomads love from tibet! bhöd gyalo (victory to tibet and the fatherland's allies)

[@user-sw1ci7gd6i]

So important for me as a kyrgyz citizen 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤ keep going body

[@mustiyka5385]

🇹🇷🇹🇲🇦🇿🇺🇿🇰🇬🇰🇿 Turania

[@sultanprimov8585]

Fak* you turan.İlk karşınıza biz dikiliriz.Kırgızlar türk değil.

[@middleeastrenwarriormen1017]

Khakas Khaganate is that another name for Kyrgyz Khaganate besides Yenisei Kyrgyz ?

[@armorman8737]

yes

[@raidenbennett6360]

Great video, but you left a ton of information behind and there is some false information in there too. Keep up the work.

[@owaischgaming7200]

I Am khazar (gujjar) turk from Pakistan

[@rehan3600]

Were your ancestors Jews? I think the Khazars (at least their ruling class) was Jewish. How did they end up in what is now Pakistan?

[@KG-lc7ii]

Вы хазарейцы ,не путайте с Хазарами.

[@joebidet2050]

❤Kyrgyzstan ❤

[@NoMadMediaProductions]

Tonyukuk and Kultegin defeated an army of 80,000??😁 there was a reason why they went over the Sayan mountains in winter with a small force, and attacked the khagan’s camp at night. There were multiple failed military campaigns previously, that’s why Tonyukuk didn’t want to engage the main forces who were guarding the borders. The Kyrgyz never sought to subjugate other turks, it was a state of its own that existed since the Xiongnu era. Many troubled tribes and etc found refuge there, including even Temujin in his earlier years. All eastern steppe empires sought to gain control of or ally with the Kyrgyz because they had a skilled and well equipped army as well as a capacity to produce arms and other supplies thanks to their economy. After the events of 840’s they just marched through those lands facing little to no resistance, and simply forced the Tatars to free 70,000 Uighurs who were captured as slaves. The Karakhanids got their headstart afterwards. And last, there is no such a thing as “lesser khagan”. You can be a yabghu, tutuq, elteber or even inal, but one khagan cannot confer the title of khagan to another. They can only be recognized, either willingly or unwillingly.

[@KhansDen]

Yeah, that's what the Göktürks claimed in the Tonyukuk inscriptions. Obviously, an exaggerated figure.

[@0830erf]

"Xiongnu" is The Huns in Chinese. Before copy from Chinese sources need to make sure what is what. Otherwise, San Francisco will be "Jiu Jin Shan" and it will l be "was part of China from ancient time".

[@sultanprimov8585]

Öyle olsa neden sustun ?​@@KhansDen

[@rednaksiii]

strange that you’re turk, but don’t know basic turk words. word “el” is not state or land, it’s people, nation

[@KhansDen]

It’s the complete opposite. The word for „people“ is BODUN, not EL. Türk BODUN = Turk people. Türk EL = Turks‘ land.

[@rednaksiii]

@@KhansDen cool, but those turks are not just some stories from past. turks of central asia use word “el” for “nation”

[@Kul-tegin]

El means state or land, budun means people, nation, more specifically tribal union. Turk El: Turk State/Empire, Turk Budun: Turk Nation.

[@rednaksiii]

@@Kul-tegin budun and el are synonyms. central asian turks still use all these words

[@Kul-tegin]

@@rednaksiii From the Kul Tegin Inscription: "Budun anca temis ellig budun ertim" The budun (people) said "We were a people with a state". Budun and el are not the same.

[@virgiljjacas1229]

Thank you for the very professional and unbiased research on the Turks. BTW, why from all the tribes only the Tatars did migrate in full to Europe.

[@WoodsLesnik]

The Huns, Avars, Cumans and Pechenegs all migrated to Europe. They just assimilated into the local Slavic, Hungarian and Romanian populations.

[@erhanozaydin853]

Original Tatars in a 13th century sense were a Mongol people (possibly remnants of the Rouran empire). They were one of the primary constituents of Cengiz khan's uls in Outer Mongolia. todays Tatars are in fact decendants of Volga Bulgar turks (or Huns, pick one).

[@erhanozaydin853]

Realised I did not answer your question, names are just semantics anyway. People prefer migrating into prosperous lands. Europe in those days was a rural, feudalistic continent. Largest cities were a few ten thousands large at best. Persia, China, India, Middle East and East Rome were better places to move/raid into.

[@kikaa1884]

For me Mongols,Arabs,Turks are mlecchas due to their conquest and violence on others 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤 they are not humans at all How can they built Empires like that shame shame shame. Peace and non violence is always best in human history😊😊😊😊 spread love not hatred

[@kikaa1884]

If one guy slaps you show another cheek that's all OK. Spread love not hatred OK.

[@Nastya_07]

About the Wikipedia map, a while ago I replaced "The greatest" with "Hypothetical" in the caption to clarify, though the map is still there.

[@KhansDen]

Ah, very well. Thanks. Didn't know you were active there. I used to be, too. But ever since the "List of Turkic dynasties and states" was deleted, I kinda lost hope. Gotta continue work on the Turkic Encyclopedia that was announced a while ago here...

[@maksaximus]

Author, please correct the video, some parts have errors, in 693 the Kagan of the Eastern Turks, Kapagan, gave his close sister in marriage to Barsbek Kagan, so as not to fight. In 709, the Kagan of the Eastern Turks, Kapagan, sent his best commander Kultegen at the head of his troops. The army against the Kyrgyz was secret and took place in winter. In winter, up to one meter of snow falls on the mountains, difficult to pass places, so they did not wait for the enemy and only guarded the important approach to the Altai Mountains, the Eastern Turks bought one of the local residents, who showed the passage was not guarded after they passed through the passage they passed through the passage they attacked at night and destroyed many yurts...

[@bakdakal]

Khakassia = Kyrgyz

[@armorman8737]

yeah Yeniseian

[@teovu5557]

especially the khakass sagai dialect speakers

[@armorman8737]

@@teovu5557 you a Khakases ?

[@KG-lc7ii]

Этноним Хакас появился 20 веке.

[@sultanprimov8585]

​@@teovu5557Kishtim shut up.🤐

[@duyanning]

Compared to the Kyrgyz people of the Tang Dynasty, the Kyrgyz people of today look more Mongolian. The relationship with Li Ling was only a matter of clinging to each other out of political need. 跟唐代的吉尔吉斯人相比，今天的吉尔吉斯人的长相更加蒙古化了。跟李陵的关系，只是双方出于政治需要的相互攀附。

[@sultanprimov8585]

😂

[@insafahmed6164]

Please Urdu and Hindi language translation

[@sandercohen5543]

0:58 That's not how horses legs look when they walk... XD

[@imranmunsif2351]

Allah will make the Muslim Turks victorious, by His grace. Ameen. Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! La Ilaha IllAllah! La Ilaha IllAllah! La Ilaha IllAllah! La Ilaha IllAllah! La Ilaha IllAllah! La Ilaha IllAllah! La Ilaha IllAllah! La Ilaha IllAllah! La Ilaha IllAllah! La Ilaha IllAllah! AlhamduLillah! AlhamduLillah! AlhamduLillah! AlhamduLillah! AlhamduLillah! AlhamduLillah! AlhamduLillah! AlhamduLillah! AlhamduLillah! AlhamduLillah! SubhanAllah! SubhanAllah! SubhanAllah! SubhanAllah! SubhanAllah! SubhanAllah! SubhanAllah! SubhanAllah! SubhanAllah! SubhanAllah!

[@itshry]

All Turks are Tengrism.....

[@azam911ify]

Kindly make videos about mughal empire in india

[@KhansDen]

On the list.

[@smilodon1221]

Кыргызстандан салам!🇰🇬

[@bamsbeyrek4939]

Selamlar❤

[@KG-lc7ii]

А вы знали что городе Изник в Турции есть мавзолей ?это город был византийском городом столица Никея .Вот это мавзолей построен честь павшим Кыргызам при осаде Никеи.1071 году Сулейман ибн Кутулмышем.Так что Кыргызы пришли давно .А вот истории ,,Маджму таварих ,,говорится Кыргызы проживали у Ходжетских гор (хорезм)до этого они были кочевниками рума.

[@user-ur4jg1gy6r]

Кыргызы в византии это когда??? Всмысле?

[@opansofian]

I'am Indonesian Always Learn About Central Asia

[@sultanprimov8585]

Fake Historia. Kyrgyz 840-920 imperiya.

[@MsVenera2010]

You said scholars still debating about Kyrgyz empire. Do you think you’re a better historian than world scholars? The proud Kyrgyz I demand correct your language.

[@milenzakirov4891]

Kardeşim bunda alınacak birşey yok. Oguzlarıda arap tüccarlar barbar ve pis olarak tanımlamış😂 Türkiyeden selamlar🇰🇬🇹🇷👋

[@kaarlimakela3413]

Shorty?

[@baialynurgazyuulu1284]

Казахстан где ? 😮

[@kellyross4801]

Perhaps you should make your own video then, instead of complaining about someone else's efforts. Pax

[@user-oe4og1rx1o]

It looks like a more true story.

[@sultanprimov8585]

😂70%fake

[@bozkurt9568]

Значит кыркгыз это тоже не нация а название страны, я конечно знал что это не название нации но не знал от куда она исходит.

[@dr.umarjohnson2453]

Explain the difference between mongols and turks plz

[@itshry]

Currently, the similarities between Turks are only in the language family. Meanwhile, in terms of DNA, each Turk sub-tribe is different from one another. Turkis Turk Their DNA is closer to Greek, which js Caucasoid. Whereas Kazazk, Kyrgiz, Uyghur etc., are a mixture of Mongoloid and Caucasoid.

[@dreamadventure8220]

​@@itshryPresent day Turkey people are middle Eastern which arrived much later. They are not Turk at first place.

[@maksatchaki]

👍

[@malagebide]

铁勒部主力南迁，河南、湖南境内都有后裔

[@KG-lc7ii]

Сейчас у кыргызов и у алтайцев есть племена Теле.

[@thisismuezza4377]

Kırk ız the "ız" has the meaning of "we are"

[@josephbelov6212]

Do better research next time, thanks for the video.

[@osmansi1]

👋

[@hfdgvnbcg6275]

👍👍👍🇰🇬🇰🇬🇰🇬

[@dariaabdul7797]

El means “people”, not land. Land iz “yer”, or “jer “ in kyrgyz

[@MsVenera2010]

You should do research correctly and say rubbish. I don’t believe professional historians who have thousands of subscribers use that kind of language against one nation. I’m proud Kyrgyz and I don’t know where did you get your information. I’m sorry to say that your research is rubbish (did you notice, compare to you I did apologize before I used the impropriate language)

[@alpkut]

If you’d link the sources you’re referring in this video that’ll be great to check them out . Otherwise its misleading the audience and distorting history. Unfortunately, the author citing some information from Wikipedia and other not scientifically reliable sources. Thus making inadequate claims. I’d advise to use purely subjective research papers if you’d propose this kinda bold statements accordingly.

[@KhansDen]

To the contrary, if you watch more videos you'll find that I make fun of Wikipedia from time to time for its inaccuracy, hence my wish to create a new encyclopedia from scratch that focuses on writing Turkic history as it is. The basis for this video are the works by Michael R. Drompp and Peter B. Golden.

[@alpkut]

Thanks for the prompt response. Unfortunately, the issue is that very few western scientists held its researches and been far from archeological sites thus very far away from the reality. The studies which are mostly been held by Soviet scientists and most truthful of them been punished and prosecuted accordingly. Majority of sources either in Russian or Chinese languages. You might take a look at the works of Vasily Bartold. He studied Turkic history visiting the local ethnicities, archeological sites back in old days when it’s remained a bit untouched.

[@proudbacteria1373]

@@alpkut Bartold was a Russian propagandist working for Russian military.

[@user-oh4vn4qg7s]

Туура эмес маалымат. Недостоверная инфа.

[@thisismuezza4377]

Kyrgyz el the "el" means "people"

[@baialynurgazyuulu1284]

Yensei Kyrgyz Kazakh

[@LuisAldamiz]

Uyghurs are, rather famously, largely descendants from non-Turkic (Indoeuropean) Tocharians, something still apparent in their physiognomy and genetics. This togather with the descriptions you mention re. ancient Kyrgiz people, would suggest that they were also partly descendant from either Tocharians or other Indoeuropeans from the region (Scythians). We know from ancient DNA that patrilineal transference of Eastern Asian genetics (Turkic or otherwise Altaic) to Central Asia (understood in the narrow sense of West of the Altai Mts.) happened only in the Iron Age, i.e. more or less coincident with the Hunnic-Turkic expansion, and that previously, the two regions were genetically distinct in terms patrilineal (Y-DNA) but had already (in the Bronze Age, not earlier) began admixture in terms matrilineal (mtDNA). Earlier the Central and Western steppes were strictly West Eurasian in terms genetic or ancestral and only the Taiga (forest) area was actually conductive to East Asian migration, first in the Paleolithic with the Uralic peoples, then in the Bronze Age probably implying another Altaic population: the Tungus.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

It would be wrong to say largely, historical Uyghurs who established Uyghur Khaganate were more numerous than Tokharian peoples. In addition, the Tocharian peoples generally became Persianized and took the name Tajik. Tajik was the general name for the non-Turkic and non-Semitic peoples of Central Asia, regardless of which language was spoken.

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@papazataklaattiranimam - Not really: Uyghur genetics show a very strong Western (i.e. Indoeuropean, Tocharian) inheritance. It topples anything Altaic or East Asian by a lot, especially on the decisive side of patrilineages. Kazakhs, which I think of as archetypal Turkics, are c. 80% East Asian (74% in Kazakhstan, 85% in Altai) by patrilineage but Uyghurs are only 36% instead, being dominated by Western R instead (mostly a specific branch of R1b, which is probably quite old in the region), with also important presence of J and South/West Asian L. Altaians, who are also purported to be of partly Tocharian roots (or at least very old Indoeuropean ones) have very high frequencies of R1a (documented locally since the Afanasevo culture, allegedly at the root of Tocharians). It's not about names or beliefs, it's about facts.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@LuisAldamiz However, unlike haplogroup J, R(and Q) was originally from eastern Eurasia, not western. It would be a big mistake to attribute the entire haplogroup, which is approximately 25,000 years old, to Indo-Europeans. There are dozens of people, such as the Basques, Iberians, Chadians and Etruscans, who carry the R haplogroup even though they are not Indo-European. On the other hand, there are Greeks, Vlachs, Persians, Ossetians, Albanians, South Slavs and northern Germanic people who are Indo-European but have less R. The story for E, J, G, N or other haplogroups is similar too.

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@papazataklaattiranimam R and Q are very clearly from West Eurasia, from West Asia to be specific. Their precursor P (and its precursor K2) were from SE Asia but P1 migrated westward through North India and both R and Q are very clearly rooted in West Asia (Iran or nearby areas like Upper Mesopotamia). Anyway all this is Paleolithic prehistory and what we're addressing is much more recent prehistory and even full history. R remains for all purposes West Eurasian even in ancient DNA (no R whatsoever in Neolithic China, even if we do find abundant Q in the North) and I treated Q as East Asian in my previous comment. Overall both N and Q are the most difficult to gauge lineages in this East/West divide of Eurasia, because both have been in Siberia and nearby areas since very ancient times, with Q migrating from West to East (proto-Amerinds) first and N from East to West later (Uralics). But, to be on the safe side, in this discussion I treated both as Eastern. What I cannot accept is any claim that R is East Asian in any way: it is not, it was never documented east of Altain Mts. before the Iron Age or later.

[@proudbacteria1373]

@@LuisAldamiz Nobody found DNA of ancient Turks because Turkic people most likely burned their dead. Turks didn’t have Kurgan culture were dead bodies were buried. But Kultegin statue looks like a typical and pure Mongol face.

[@Al__Quds]

киргизи уйгури одделный народ киргизи енесейски турки ещо они Из-за кыргызов уйгуры были вынуждены строить государство на чужой земле, это два разных народа

[@rashidavilak2829]

И достаточно прекрасная была это земля. Высокий уровень цивилизации, влияние даже эллинизма, прекрасные фрески , малая скульптура, памятники письма 5-14 вв... В их числе и древнеуйгурские рукописи и книги, выполненные уйгурским письмом. В одном из двух новых уйгурских идыкутств, т.е..в Турфане , треть населения( простой народ) была грамотной. Это установили историки, изучая перечни мужских имен в уйгурских юридических документах 9-14 вв. Данные документы -- это договоры, тексты торговых сделок, о дарении, усыновлении и завещания. А также реестры общинного землепользования, налоговые и фискальные документы. Да какое ещё из тюркоязычных государств именно в 9-10 вв. имело подобный аппарат госуправления? К тому.же не были оазисы для уйгуров "чужими". Предки уйгуры имели отношение к древним государствам в оазисах -- к государствам Крорана ( Лоулань) и Чэши.( Гаочан) З-6 вв. Тогда часть уйгуров населяла таримские оазисы, и это доказали китайский историк Гу Бао и советский историк А.Н.Бернштам. С 800 г.почти все оазисы Таримского бассейна были под протекторатом Уйгурского каганата. Поэтому, переселившись и к своим соплеменникам, уйгуры из каганата отлично влились в древнюю культурную среду городов - государств, которые кроме тюрков, населяли также потомки древних переселенцев из Северной Индии, согдийцы из торговых колоний, а также абсолютные европеоиды. Это был народ -- носитель языка кучане,очень ошибочно вначале названный тохарами. И все эти этносы с достойным запасом интеллектуального богатства к 13-14вв стали одним из пластов в этногенезе уйгурского народа.

[@user-cg2tw8pw7j]

​@@rashidavilak2829The Uighur tribe was very intelligent, but they were mixed with the indigenous people

[@armorman8737]

last Turkic Khaganate in Mongolia

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Not last. Naiman Khanate was last one.

[@Red6Games]

Yeah but Khanate =/= Khaganate, so armor man is technically correct

[@armorman8737]

@@papazataklaattiranimam bro Naiman tribe was origin Western Mongolic and speak Mongolic,Naiman in Turkinization or Turko-Mongol durring Naiman migration to Central Asia

[@middleeastrenwarriormen1017]

indeed bro😁

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@armorman8737 Naimans were Mongolized Sekiz Oghuz people, they spoke a Siberian Turkic language before Mongolization and Kipchakization

[@user-wm6ck4to5x]

Автор вы во многом неправы

[@buckaroobonzai9847]

Why is this called historical Turkic States, that is completely false. The Huns and Magyars have their true history, the Arvisura passed directly down through the Millennia from the Taltos, everything is explained in there. As a direct descendant of Huns from Hungary we are not Turkic, we are Hun/Magyar/Uyghur/Avar, thanks, please correct this.

[@alpkut]

That’s a good point which we re debating on since when everything in steppe getting called “Turkic” As an example. The Fui Kyrgyz, like the Kyrgyz of the Tien Shan, Altai, China, Yenisei, Pamir, Tibet, Van and Bashkortstan, etc., have never been Turks by blood (haplogroup R1a1). The same situation with the brothers Uighurs! Consequently, they were never Turkic-speaking, since their Siberian Kyrgyz ancestors with their own language still lived as an independent state almost 1000 years ago, before the emergence of the Turkic Khaganate, consisting of nomadic tribes, which Ashina united. After the defeat of the Turkic Khaganate in 744 by the Uighurs and Karluks, having existed for no more than 200 years, in the 8th century all these tribes scattered across the steppe, taking their common language with them. Nobody knows yet about what language they all spoke before Ashina came to them and during the 200 years when they lived together? And the Kyrgyz at that time, as before, lived on their own in Siberia, nearby, without touching anyone. After the collapse of the Khaganate of these ethnic groups, history scattered throughout Central Asia. Therefore, even today Uzbeks (20-25%), Kazakhs (10-15%), Bashkirs (5-10%) and others have Kyrgyz clans, who also have R1a, who are also mistakenly considered "Turkic-speaking". And genetically all of them are also from the Kyrgyz clan. Therefore, we address them to all Turks, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Bashkyrs, our so called brothers ", although many have different genes. So, just on the basis of the fact that for 200 years they all lived together, all of them, scientists arbitrarily and without evidence called, they call, and today We silently agree (even linguists, historians, ethnographers, etc.) Turks, Turkic-speaking.

[@UlanB]

Kyrgyz tribes = Prototurks.

[@user-iy6gn2tg3s]

Kyrgyz pastoralists roamed from the Yenisei in the 20th century. The Kyrgyz have no culture

[@sultanprimov8585]

Not

[@user-pg4uu6tu7h]

Это искажение истории про кыргызов

[@user-pz9de8gt6t]

Eastern Göktürk=Yenisei Kyrgyz

[@cabdulahiyuusuf7220]

So , I thought krgz and hazara are remnant of Mongolians

[@Chel-0-vek]

author, if you cannot correctly express your thoughts, then you should not remove the topic about history, in many places you contradicted yourself, you yourself took sources from Western scientists who did not conduct full investigations, and in many cases you did not add the opinion of Soviet scientists, you will ask why Soviet? because it was Soviet scientists who studied 80% of the history of TBRKs and they probably knew more, you also took a lot of unreliable information, this video was just an insult to the history of my nation, you, if you are so omniscient, then don’t forget that you are a Turk, you are not a Turk, you and your nation those are not the Seljuk Turks, you are 99% Greek, the Seljuk Turks have disappeared, you are impostors!!!

[@KhansDen]

I am a Oghuz Turk. But if you are starting to doubt my identity, this discussion is over.

[@Chel-0-vek]

@@KhansDen you are not an Oghuz Turk, they disappeared from the Oguz a long time ago in the time of Suleiman, all you have left is your tongue, since you call yourself an Oguz, then where are your Uski eyes? where is your yurt? where is your flat face? no, you're Greek

[@myveritasforever]

I didn't like your conclusion about Kyrgyz . Indeed Kyrgyz did great defeating Uyghur Kaganate Because they forget about Tengri and Break All the Laws of Nomadic people . Besides Kyrgyz hunted Uighur even to Central Asia ( territory of nowdays Uyghur state ), which is Now Modern Kyrgyz Republic . Destroying Uyghur betrayers Kyrgyz Bring back Nomadic way of life to all Region . This Video only offends Us .

[@0830erf]

This video is more or less copy from Chinese books.

[@KG-lc7ii]

Кыргызы арабских и персидских источниках проживали центральной азии .В Енисее жили только половина народа.

[@milenzakirov4891]

Kardeşim burada alınacak birşey yok. Arap seyyahlarda oğuzları barbar ve pis olarak yazmış😂 Türkiyeden selamlar🇰🇬🇹🇷👋

[@sultanprimov8585]

​@@milenzakirov4891Çin kaynaklarında Uygurlardan çok Kırgızlar kaynakları var Arap Fars kaynakların çıkaralım .Bu bir Oğuzdun görüşü dilimizde değil bu ama halkların aklın bulayıyor

[@timur7394]

Автор если не знаешь нашу историю на 100%, лучше не болтай всякую чушь, кыргызы львы средней азии, поэтому не шути с нами ☝

[@alexwander7579]

So much bullshit, this is what happens when you relay too much on information from Wikipedia 😂

[@robertomassa731]

GökTürks and Yenissey Kirghyz had Wusun and Saka origins... But they were mixed hordes... Türks and Türkic are cultural terms and not ethnical or genetic...

[@middleeastrenwarriormen1017]

Gokturk invasion to Sayan Mountain of Khakas Yenisei Kyrgyz Gokturk vs Kyrgyzes war 😁

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

👽

[@robertomassa731]

@@middleeastrenwarriormen1017 Actually it was everyone against everyone until the Mongol conquests...

[@robertomassa731]

@@papazataklaattiranimam 🐺 Scythians called themselves Wolves of Ares!

[@armorman8737]

@@robertomassa731 Mongol : Kumo Xi/Tatabi,Nirun,Doghu,Wei,Mengwu Shiwei bro 😄

[@teovu5557]

reported you for using square enix's finally fantasy 7 music

[@KhansDen]

Do you work for square enix? I think they know and they are fine with it :-)

[@teovu5557]

@@KhansDen yes i do, konishiwa! i command you to pay or remove your un-arthur-rise use of our music! or you will be giving a hi five and a hug!

[@muratguc9902]

Kyrgyz = Tungus / Manchus Probably not Turkic origin but in time Turkification

[@chuluunsugarragchaa6659]

@muratguc9902 Don't bullshit mankurt kazakh.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Lol

[@KG-lc7ii]

У тунгусов и маньчжуров гаплогруппа C3, у кыргызов R1a до 70%

[@zullkhagvasuren7896]

Khyrgyz culture is deeply influenced by the Mongols and some even argue that they’re a Mongolic nation that speaks a Turkic language. Your ambitions to attach all nomads into turks are absurd!

[@aidasuyundueva7924]

You need to get your facts straight otherwise you misinform your audience

[@user-iy6gn2tg3s]

What is the culture of the Turkish ethnic groups? The Turks do not have NATIONS and all "Turkish speakers who do not understand each other" consist of minor ethnic groups that do not have their own national culture!

[@KANJO2]

there never been a kyrgiz dynesty😂😂😂

[@KG-lc7ii]

Как это не было ?выжывает силнейший у нас есть государство. Чем некоторые народы.