The Four Great Ironies of the United States' TikTok Ban*

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Last week, the House of Representative passed a bill that would force the Chinese owners of TikTok to divest themselves from the company. This video explores the logic behind such a ban, what might happen next, and the great ironies that underlie the whole situation.
0:00 TikTok Ban Irony
1:02 Military Security Concerns
3:54 Influence Operations
6:11 The Ban Passes the House
8:31 How Forced Divestment Would Work
11:42 Use-It-or-Lose-It Problem
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@jimk8520 Ай бұрын

Interesting that they stress that the data is stored in Virginia and are mostly mute as to exactly who has access to that data.

@Scarsofevil Ай бұрын

For real, they can easily open a back door for it to be accessed with complete deniability.

@beyondEV Ай бұрын

Short memory? The US government can access any data from any US company without warrant, if it's stored within its jurisdiction (They can still do it outside, but then both the company and the US government commit a cybercrime). And they still try to prosecute Wikileaks for letting the world know about it. EU vs. Facebook & Co... Eventually unfortunately the EU relented, so SM Apps now only need to ask for explizit permission to transfer user data out of EU jurisdiction. Without a provision, that users from the EU must be able to opt-out without losing access to the app. (Btw. fight was less about the US government spying on EU-citizens, more about selling it the unsavory third parties.) While China has surly a better grip on things, if they were transfering user data to china, we would likely know. Keeping a lid on things, it's much harder, if the potential whistleblowers are outside of your jurisdiction and can pretty much count on instant asylum.

@HanTheProphet Ай бұрын

It’s not just about the data. They can easily convince a general or government officials kid to download a program to their phone, circumventing so many of the steps necessary to digitally compromise the general/offical. Even if you keep your kid off TikTok as you would with drugs/alcohol, their friends will most definitely try to help them get access because this isn’t even as bad as drugs/alcohol from a teens perspective. It’s really an incredible tool for China that’s too big to fail. Even if they divest, they will maintain some control and access through TikTok employees.

@XIIchiron78 Ай бұрын

This is a misdirection. It's not really about where the data is or who has it. It's about what they are doing with it and how they are using it. If a foreign country wanted to build a nuke in Virginia, does that make it more acceptable? No?? Same thing more or less in my view.

@neurofiedyamato8763 Ай бұрын

It doesn't matter if its tiktok or not. All social media companies sell your data. And governments can get it from data brokers. Even if Tiktok never existed, CHina can buy data obtained by Facebook, Instagram, youtube etc. If congress actually cared about our privacy, they would pass a data privacy law for all internet platforms which would include Tiktok. But no, this is entirely politically motivated and one with dangerous precedents too.

@lrmry Ай бұрын

The FCC regulates foreign broadcasting, I don’t see why we shouldn’t have regulations for foreign social media.

@Emanon... Ай бұрын

Then they should probably start regulating their own media, wouldn't you say? Or is racism and Nazis on twitter worse than tweens dancing videos?

@DatPiffy Ай бұрын

The CCP chose to be adversarial especially on the cyber front, the vulnerability of the app has been expressed with evidence for awhile by the computer science community. For context byte-dance is the same company with a different name for reason. The last company had proven ties as a willing and eager partner that did all technology & software for the CCPe “security apparatus” when the CCP went cyber-punk police state on millions of Uyghurs Muslims (Chinese citizens) & facilitated an all too fast cultural genocide. The speed & efficiency was directly from “bytedance” assistance of its technology. Read the bill please, only 13-14 pages.

@ahrlj24 Ай бұрын

How is it any different from other countries banning wikipedia or facebook? Banning any application foreign or domestic is anti freedom and liberty. Peope should be able to roam any site without being restricted. If they are stealing my data so? It’s my choice not yours to decide what website I should visit.

@tuber6382 Ай бұрын

I don't see why the first amendment or any constitutional amendment is a big deal either

@dadistos4538 Ай бұрын

@@ahrlj24 There's plenty of things the app has been proven to do that are obviously direct threats to any country it's being used in. If you care enough, go read the extensive reporting done by citizenlab in the report titled "TikTok vs Douyin".

@somedood9989 Ай бұрын

I still cant believe how the congressional hearing went. There were so many good criticisms to make and instead we got "does tiktok access the wifi" and "someone said mean things to me online"

@PeterMuskrat6968 Ай бұрын

Well, it’s congress… they are professional morons for a reason. I still do agree with the potential ban. Not because of the user data… but because of the ease of which you can conduct informational warfare.

@araara4746 Ай бұрын

The world knows that the hearing was just a drama to make the US look democratic, because whatever the outcome of the hearing, they already have a decision for Tiktok.

@danielhoulihan7769 Ай бұрын

Being in the over 40 group, this is the most time I’ve spent using, thinking or caring about Tik Tok!!!!!! However, it’s ironic that my first serious involvement is about its destruction!!! 😂😂😂😂 Love your presentations!

@1steyeblind Ай бұрын

(Assuming from the way youve worded it younarent much over 40?) We kinda got screwed tech wise didnt we. Like we were too young to make the big $$ in the early days of internet with the Microsofts, Amazons, Googles etc and too old to make the big $$ from becoming a big youtuber, tik tok star etc

@simondaniel4028 Ай бұрын

We're a similar age: layoff the punctuation overload. We don't need any help embarrassing ourselves online.

@spacemanx9595 Ай бұрын

@@1steyeblind You people were in your 20s and 30s in 2009 when you could buy a house for 130k, stop crying.

@icosthop9998 Ай бұрын

@simondaniel4028 You do know that when you use "Talk Text," it inserts a lot of punctuation. I used to go back and proff read and make corrections. I don't bother anymore.

@1steyeblind Ай бұрын

@@spacemanx9595 not where i live In Australia but you’re right real estate is absolutely ridiculous nowadays everywhere it seems. Mainly cos of greed, like housing should be for living in not for getting rich off is my personal opinion. And yeah if you are younger thsn me i reckon you guys have it f$&kin tough. I was only joking with what I wrote originally about being youtuber etc but if it makes you less angry at me I lost my house when I had these tumour things growing in the back of my eye requiring lots and lots of surgeries which insurance weaselled out of paying for lots of. So it aint me driving house prices up 🤷🏼‍♂️

@youcanignorethis Ай бұрын

wish you'd done this video in portrait mode

@fdabelstein Ай бұрын

And in max 180 seconds?

@MorbidEel Ай бұрын

@@fdabelsteinas a bunch of shorts

@williamzabiski7653 Ай бұрын

Haha what irony, a chinese app that cannot be used in china

@HyperScorpio8688 Ай бұрын

Because it's dangerous to the GrEaT cHiNa if their citizens can share stuff online without censorship from the state. It's a thoroughbred cyberweapon.

@DmT922ha Ай бұрын

Do you think they want that degeneracy on their kids? TikTok is the most cancerous thing on planet earth, if we had any b*lls here in the West it would have been banned 3 years ago...

@john38825 Ай бұрын

Bytedance has a copy of it called douyin which started as tiktok and had to change to adhere to Chinese censorship laws. It's the same tiktok logo and interface

@mohamedabdukadir3271 Ай бұрын

It is used in china old

@narva5440 Ай бұрын

what@@mohamedabdukadir3271

@herbaceousboredom9584 Ай бұрын

"Confused? You won't be after this week's episode of...".

@fdabelstein Ай бұрын

Hi, fellow "above 40".

@herbaceousboredom9584 Ай бұрын

@@fdabelsteinYes, definitely 'above 40' lol

@crypticmrchimes Ай бұрын

@@fdabelsteinI may not be above 40 but I do have all 4 seasons. Great show!

@defective6811 Ай бұрын

With the flood of phone calls to Congress, tic tok accidentally showed that it is an interference tool as well, not just an information and influence tool.

@YouAreStillNotablaze Ай бұрын

Flood of phone calls from who?

@nromk Ай бұрын

The same thing can happen on Facebook. Remember when we all had red equal signs, or when everyone had seseam street profile photos?

@nromk Ай бұрын

So is Facebook, remember when we all had red equal signs in support of gay marriage?

@EarthForces Ай бұрын

@nromk surely, it was discussed years ago of their influence and the idea to even break up these social media giants to curb their influence but during the Trump admin did not push hard enough because it is "anti-business" right? 😅

@viysnjor4811 Ай бұрын

was that promoted by facebook itself? thats the issue here, tiktok *told* people to interfere, and used misinfo to do it

@user-qr4jf4tv2x Ай бұрын

honestly they are already too late if they want to protect people.

@RomWatt Ай бұрын

If they really wanted to protect people, they would have implemented universal healthcare.

@evank8459 Ай бұрын

The only thing that stops warfare, is losing a war. This is info war, and while it won't go like Russia, there is a little thing called karma. America doesn't care enough to exhibit the humiliation sought, even though we started it Hurt people hurt people

@cameronspence4977 Ай бұрын

Yes but better late than never. Ive been pushing for this ban ever since I learned what tiktok was. It should have been implemented the day tiktok was invented. We can at least protect all the would be new users in the future.

@Go4Broke247 Ай бұрын

More like hide tiktok from Gaza Genocide. Lol

@Fei_Ge Ай бұрын

We in the United States are free and democratic countries, and everyone can speak freely. Unlike China's dictatorship, China is autocratic.

@TheMotlias Ай бұрын

I'm less concerned about data extraction from ordinary citizens, and more concerned about cyber propoganda

@PeterMuskrat6968 Ай бұрын

Yup. That is my main concern as well. Data extraction is only really useful to the Chinese if it’s Federal/Military personnel or if it is Chinese dissidents living abroad. The ability to make a minute long short filled with misinformation being purposefully spread by bots or paid trolls and having millions upon millions of young, impressionable and lazy people view it and just believe it.

@MorbidEel Ай бұрын

@@PeterMuskrat6968 "Data extraction is only really useful to the Chinese if it’s Federal/Military personnel or if it is Chinese dissidents living abroad." it would be really stupid for those to be using any social media regardless of the company. Like someone in witness protection deciding to become a streamer ...

@icosthop9998 Ай бұрын

TY for bringing up this subject. 👍

@KdotMinistries Ай бұрын

You call it irony, I call it hypocrisy

@Em76394 Ай бұрын

Thank you for making the confusing stuff understandable!!! You’re the best!

@Fenrisson Ай бұрын

8:02 - I'm thirty eight, still use facebook and my knees will explode in pain if I try to dance for a Tik Tok video. So you're spot on, mate!

@franknelissen8041 Ай бұрын

This was just pure gold! Thanks!!! ❤

@bradherbert8855 Ай бұрын

well done sir. love you work!

@comraderedcomando Ай бұрын

Please for the love of lines on maps! Please make the Maduro video. It’s so unique that he was singled out and it is pretty important since it deals with issues the US and (more importantly regarding the man himself) Venezuelan people have in dealing with him.

@alexpotts6520 Ай бұрын

It is worth remembering that western governments recognise jailed opposition leader Juan Guaido as the de jure President of Venezuela.

@__redacted__ Ай бұрын

This is the most hilarious upload ever on this channel. It's a comedy of ironies. An international relations version of Seinfeld. I was waiting for the mention of how the country supporting the free flow of money and speech is looking to create barriers to speech backed by money. 😂

@pabcu2507 Ай бұрын

Also, why are they complaining about us banning TikTok when they banned American social media sites as well, double standards

@MorbidEel Ай бұрын

Are they actually banned or did those companies pull out because they didn't want to comply with regulations like what happened with Google?

@pabcu2507 Ай бұрын

@@MorbidEel naw, they banned them

@MorbidEel Ай бұрын

@@pabcu2507source? I mean actual announcements or the equivalent of an Act being passed. I just remember actual Chinese people in China giving wrong info for what should be simpler things like money transfer.

@Navigator2166 Ай бұрын

Thank you, Professor. This vid is extremely helpful. My 20-ish granddaughter, (who of course is raising the roof over this idea) and I discussed this when it first passed the House. Even though she was boiling and indignant as only smart young people can be, We both felt a true lack of actual data. Perhaps now we can have a more fulsome discussion. Much appreciation.

@brian13105 Ай бұрын

ONE DAY ! Come on William ! The C.C.P. is undoubtedly getting this info on an ongoing basis . Just because it is stored in one place does not preclude it being stored in another as well .

@icosthop9998 Ай бұрын

True

@beakerbkr Ай бұрын

Exactly.

@azlanadil3646 Ай бұрын

Yeah, and the US government does the same thing with Twitter, Instagram, KZbin, google in general, and basically every social media platform other than Tik Tok. I dislike Tik Tok, but the reason it’s being singled out is racism and sabre rattling.

@Moimus Ай бұрын

@@azlanadil3646how is sanctioning foreign powers who openly spy on their and foreign citizens, totally disregard national and personal souverenity and actively undermine international institutions racism? it's not getting banned because it's made by chinese people, it's getting banned because it's a tool for actors with bad intent.

@steveburton5825 Ай бұрын

@@azlanadil3646 It's not RACISM to not want your data to be scooped up by a foreign adversary. Does everything have to be "racism" these days? You twits overuse this term so much it has become meaningless.

@OlssonDaniel Ай бұрын

I want to know more on how Madura got on the US:s foreign adversaries-list. 😂 8:46 Great video, as always.

@jengis_i Ай бұрын

Same. Plus the question why Cuba is still on that list.

@lenno15697 Ай бұрын

Because the U.S. government recognises Guaido as the legitimate Venezuelan President. So the reasoning is that Venezuela is not a foreign adversary, but the illegitimate Maduro regime that de facto rules Venezuela is.

@keesbats5266 Ай бұрын

Uh oh, the "AI" now wants us to dance😂 Love your video's and your humor!

@awjaaa Ай бұрын

Excellent video. Succinct. Easy-to-digest. Honest. Sharable with those caught in the fog of confusion. Thank you.

@Gametheory101 Ай бұрын

I think that is the most generous donation I have ever received. Thank you so much!

@awjaaa Ай бұрын

@@Gametheory101Anti-propaganda'ing ain't cheap. Always help the helpers.

@asan1050 Ай бұрын

William Spaniel Thanks for posting this video.

@Stardust_262 Ай бұрын

The correct course of action is to ban TikTok and bring back Vine

@timexyemerald6290 Ай бұрын

Its better be be in control of poison that you consume than consuming a posion the even their rival have control over and they themselves never consume the poison itself😅

@fematrailer Ай бұрын

Looking back, vine was actually better than TikTok. It was more chaotic and genuine. TikTok by comparison is way more fake and has a lot more thirst traps and stealth ads for O F accounts. Plus, the literal brain rot of AI speech over unrelated subway surfer/soap cutting/Family Guy clips is way worse than anything you'll see in the Vine compilations that still exist on KZbin.

@superdurppig8686 Ай бұрын

Is Congress doing it for the vine?

@PherPhur Ай бұрын

@@fematrailer I think that's more to do with the age of the internet than Vine or TikTok itself. Part of it has to do with TikTok paying so much and turning content creation into a vicious business, but a lot of it has to do with the age of the internet.

@fematrailer Ай бұрын

@PherPhur People were saying Vine was cringe at the time, but a lot of the newer comments on old Vine compilations say stuff like, "This predicted [this year]'s humor in 2015!" In actuality, the internet is largely the same. It's just been segregated between the sincere and genuine user generated content and the enshitified algorithmically optimized and attention-hacking brain rot content. If you've been on the internet for a long time, you can see the things that have changed and what's stayed the same. I've kinda bought into the "dead internet theory" a bit, and believe that the amount of botting, sockpuppeting, and AI generated comments are much higher than people expect. I'm not saying that I think that TikTok videos are fake or AI or anything stupid like that, I'm just skeptical of the claims of how popular a lot of the stuff on there really is. TikTok and Twitter look more like a Potemkin village than anything else to me.

@radidov5333 Ай бұрын

this is by far the most hilarious video of you,, I couldn't stop laughing the whole time

@DifficultNerd Ай бұрын

wow - for a while I was frightened that we weren't going to get a line on a map, but William delivered :)

@Alexrocks1253 Ай бұрын

The fun part is that I don’t and will never use TikTok. Not worth my time.

@Perkykurt Ай бұрын

Very thought provoking

@bovanshi6564 Ай бұрын

I was worried there for a couple of minutes that we wouldn't get any lines on maps in this video

@Khal_Rheg0 Ай бұрын

Thank you!

@GafferBob Ай бұрын

It's incredible how you can break down complex and /or confusing topics for the average person,along with a sly bit of humor.I have thanked many times the friend that introduced you to me.🍎🤔

@Count_Smackula Ай бұрын

Lines on TikTok? Inconceivable!

@Tanktaco Ай бұрын

Best 60sec coverage of the story on the internet.

@amosnider Ай бұрын

Thank you for presenting this TikTok topic in the most interesting and informative way possible.

@oleopathic Ай бұрын

I love Will's sharp mind. Its like i get to attend high-end lectures at an Ivy Leagure school for free. :)

@Weissenschenkel Ай бұрын

The concern I have with TikTok and other apps with tracking capabilities is the same in regards of Facebook and Instagram. The difference lies in the continent, since Meta would happily give all tracking data for free to the CIA, the FBI or even the DOJ. Hence why Amarican apps and sites are banned in China and Russia, forcing you to have a VPN to access those.

@elmohead Ай бұрын

Bing isn't banned there.

@0816M3RC Ай бұрын

Why are you trying to hide from the FBI?

@user-cd4bx6uq1y Ай бұрын

6:38 Good point, same thing here, the most random thing to say at that moment

@annehersey9895 Ай бұрын

Byte Dance Executives just last week were called to the main CCP complex wher😢they were compelled to apologize for something. The what isn’t important because in China, if you are told you need to apologize-you do regardless if you did the deed or not. So it’s obvious if told to hand over data, if you value your health you do what they say.

@tomsunwifi2767 Ай бұрын

Source please

@snusxtrastark1648 Ай бұрын

What about American apps? Aren't they also able to access user data from other countries?

@wnnn2268 Ай бұрын

Other countries do ban American apps...

@dpeasehead Ай бұрын

@@wnnn2268 which ones, and under what circumstances? Anything which is anti-China gets defended in the US...

@jacksondevine3870 Ай бұрын

@@dpeaseheadRussia and China both ban all of our social media. Under circumstances similar to the ones in this video but often also because they want to control. They even banned apps like LinkedIn and so that they can have more control over their workforce.

@wnnn2268 Ай бұрын

@@dpeasehead China, Iran, North Korea, Myanmar, Russia, Turkmenistan and Uganda. Have all banned facebook under the pretences of national security...

@okay.8623 Ай бұрын

The main issue is that the Chinese government can just force a Chinese company to give up data. This isn't so in the US. This is why so many nations still trust and use US apps, even US enemies like Russia. Also what prevents the right for the US to ban a foreign services? China does it all the time.

@gcard2112 Ай бұрын

Good stuff, thanks

@chronus4421 Ай бұрын

Thanks Bill!

@XIIchiron78 Ай бұрын

Without talking about the ban specifically, I think we can all agree there should be _some kind_ of line, and you shouldn't just be able to weaponize a platform to an unlimited degree under the guise of "free speech". So, the discussion needs to be about where we can draw that line, and if TikTok crosses it, and if _some of our own platforms also cross it._ Instead, the debate has devolved into a useless, binary, back and forth shouting match, like everything inevitably does because of our two party duopoly (speaking of, the game theory around vote splitting and how it influences our politics and society would be a great topic for this channel, it's hugely impactful and responsible for basically all of our problems...).

@beyondEV Ай бұрын

News Flash: You have 1 Party: The Oligarch Party. It does pretend it's two wing's are two parties... but both answer to the same people. The Donors. And all the big ones invest in both sides every election. Making sure you can't choose real change. The real perk of the pretend two-party-state: Unlike the CCP, you never ever have to take responsibility. And you always walk away without punishment, no matter the crime.

@1mol831 Ай бұрын

What do you mean

@lenno15697 Ай бұрын

The ban is content neutral with regards to speech. Specifically, it merely regulates social media's company ability to operate in the U.S. while also being beholden to foreign adversaries, so it doesn't violate 1A principles.

@TriMs1 Ай бұрын

Ironic

@ZEROmg13 Ай бұрын

to say the least......ooooooh boy.

@timhaldane7588 Ай бұрын

Don'tcha think?

@Fei_Ge Ай бұрын

No, no, no, we in the United States are free and democratic countries, and everyone can speak freely. Unlike China's dictatorship, he is authoritarian.

@jasimkhan6219 Ай бұрын

Kindly make a video on strategy and strategic studies

@AdeptAnalytic Ай бұрын

Thx William

@technologic21 Ай бұрын

"It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they tried to pull the plug." "Skynet fights back?" "Yes."

@Merrinen Ай бұрын

40 seconds in: "still with me?" The answer is no, but I will watch the rest anyway.

@PeanutsDadForever Ай бұрын

Another Amazing Video! Thank you. 🇦🇺👴🏻

@JEEPEJ Ай бұрын

That is some serious line-on-map action at 1:59

@YancoxD Ай бұрын

Lines on apps? 🤔

@centy64 Ай бұрын

This is just the strangest story. My bet would be amazon being the buyer since they lack their own short video platform but have the means and technology to buy and run it.

@elmohead Ай бұрын

China enacted a law that says all major companies will have to ask permission to sell their business.

@PeterMuskrat6968 Ай бұрын

@@elmoheadGood on them… I hope the Chinese prevent a sale so we can just straight up ban it off of app stores. I don’t care about the data, I care about the hoopleheaded morons on the US who don’t do an ounce of research viewing short form videos choc full of misinformation that they will inevitably believe without doing any background research.

@SlipShodBob Ай бұрын

Would love to see a debate/colab between you and Ryan McBeth on this.

@BooleanDisorder Ай бұрын

This is ironic. But you, William, you are iconic.

@Bill-uw1oo Ай бұрын

We're reaching a Chernobyl level event of irony with this 1.

@caocaohehe Ай бұрын

Guess witch country banned that first😂

@OkarinHououinKyouma Ай бұрын

China

@scorpiom8053 Ай бұрын

so basically story goes like this, china doesn't ban their own app you cry if they do ban their own app and do the right thing where needed you still cry?

@esbenm6544 Ай бұрын

@@scorpiom8053 cope🤓

@caocaohehe Ай бұрын

@@scorpiom8053 No, where do you get this twisted logic 🤣

@scorpiom8053 Ай бұрын

@@caocaohehe Yes, that's how it is.

@UncleJoeLITE Ай бұрын

I'm surprisingly early tonight! Tuesday just tripped over an hour go. Cheers from GC Australia sir.

@fauzanritno Ай бұрын

The US Senators questioning Tiktok's CEO with racism words while the Google, Meta and IOS Apple already stored almost every human on earth private data. Every countries realizing that this 3 huge companies based in the US and never protesting 🤣

@okay.8623 Ай бұрын

This ignores how this data isn't actually taken by the US government, unlike in China, where the CCP can just force data out of domestic companies. You'd think said companies would all be banned by US enemies, yet they aren't. Cause the US isn't some tyrannical monster against all of its people like idiots wish to believe cause they're so sheltered.

@MorbidEel Ай бұрын

NSA already has everyone's info anyway. People seem to have forgotten about stuff like their Carnivore program or when they were collaborating the Danish to spy on Sweden, Norway France, and Germany. Even the target countries only seem to react with "Bad America, bad!!!" and then go right back to doing whatever they were doing before. Maybe it is just the media companies sweeping things under the rug.

@-oysterthief4444 Ай бұрын

You should write a book!!

@MrNikArt Ай бұрын

Yeah, but its not a "Ban" and should not be called that its a forced decoupling from the Chineese government, so its odd why the Chineese government is pissed, even though they claim they have nothing to do with it in the first place.

@EarthForces Ай бұрын

The CCP are data mining there for years and them being cut of their "golden goose" for that and their active measures is a net gain not just for the US but for anti-authoritarian societies in general. The US can essentially lead the way for other Western and aligned countries to throw that spy app away. As for their each country's domestic, privately owned social media (surveillance) app. (Facebook, for example) This ban might even serve as a basis to curb that type of operation as well. If you are for anti-censorship. Start with your adversary and then deal with your own internal issues. This is the very same thing China did when they banned most Western apps, but the US will be doing it in the same way but with the opposite intent.

@anotherbacklog Ай бұрын

01:56 I was wondering how the line is gonna be drawn. A truly impressive line.

@ADgamingHD Ай бұрын

At the risk of sounding stupid.... Was the "no one under 40 uses Facebook" remark satirical? 🤣🤣🤣

@PeterMuskrat6968 Ай бұрын

Half truth. Facebook is pretty much the “old person” social media app. There are definitely people under 40 that use it, like my sister who is 25… but it won’t really get flooded with new users if Tik-Tok does get banned.

@KaosNova2 Ай бұрын

Instagram shows more younger aged people on it and it’s also the same owners as Facebook so the author failed to mention that point

@beakerbkr Ай бұрын

It’s about reciprocity. They don’t let twitter, instagram or other US based apps into China

@Soras_ Ай бұрын

They ban Twitter and Instagram because they don't follow the law. You can operate but you have to follow the law. Bing is not banned

@scva-socallvillainadvocate Ай бұрын

Yeah Us call themselves democratic, yet my unpopular commentbalways been censored by ytb, ig, fb irony

@whoppersification Ай бұрын

Umm yea I get it, but I thought the US was the beacon of democracy and calls itself “Land of the Free” and frequently lectures other countries on “First Amendment Rights”, and China is the communist, the bad guy everyone hates according to the US right? But then why is the US doing the same thing China is doing? Reciprocity? Sure, then according to you, the US is as bad as China, you can't deny that. The US says it supports free market but at the same time, when the US starts losing, they start banning apps and put tariffs on certain countries. Yep, just like how the US put high tariffs on Japanese goods back in the 80's, because US companies couldn't compete. Lol. The irony. But the people in the US are not aware of this, all they know is "US good China bad" narrative. Hypocritical much.

@Soras_ Ай бұрын

@@scva-socallvillainadvocate Corporation can control speech with or without tiktok. some special interest just want more market share

@hivetech4903 Ай бұрын

@scva-socallvillainadvocate LOL no irony there, the US doesn't ban your comments, private companies do that 😂

@Keiranful Ай бұрын

The problem is that ByteDance has a dedicated office at TikTok HQ with complete access to everything and I've heard rumors of the CCP already accessing user data to identify & track dissidents for example.

@azlanadil3646 Ай бұрын

Something the US government would *never* do. Honestly, you have to feel bad for Snowden. He gave up his life to try to protect a group of people who seem to want nothing more than their own subjugation.

@beyondEV Ай бұрын

Well according to those reliable rumours, the chinese filled their SOLID boosters with water, the 3 gorges dam has shifted so much 20 times that is collapse is imminent. Still it's somehow standing and i have yet to figure out, how the chinese managed to keep the water in the solid boosters frozen. And i doubt, that any chinese dissident uses tik-tok. That would be like Wikileaks using Facebook for getting data from american whistleblowers. I would be far more worried if i were a chinese dissident, about the fact, the western tracking tech (military grade) has been found on the phone of a murdered journalist critical of a certain middle eastern kingdoms human rights abuses. it certainly came with strings attached, so china can't simply buy in. but those rely on zero day exploits, and using them instead of reporting them..., means others like the chinese will find them too. But very useful to keep hunting those pesky whistleblower that reported your war crimes to the world.

@Moimus Ай бұрын

why wouldn't they? intelligence agencies don't care about the law or even basic human rights.

@nick.v.g Ай бұрын

@@azlanadil3646 indeed Europe should make meta twitter and such sell there Europe parts to European companies because we know the us is doing the same

@VILExBLOOD Ай бұрын

@@azlanadil3646 I know right? exiled to Russia, the bastion of anonymity and freedom of the press, that being said American spying on its citizens doesn't make China's spying on American citizens ok, I agree people are way too eager to give up their anonymity and the US intelligence apparatus is also reprehensible but two wrongs don't make a right and no need to run defense for the Chinese government unless you're a wumao and in that case get a real job lol

@mattiasmartens9972 Ай бұрын

we need more acts like the "No TikTok on Government Devices Act", by which i mean, acts that say what they do

@MorbidEel Ай бұрын

Why the hell are the controls on those devices so lax to begin with? From a security perspective the default should be 'deny all' then individuals should request individual apps if it is required for their work. Also to perform a thorough job the Act should also ban people from bringing their own devices or co-mingling their devices with government devices. Too many potential wireless attack vectors.

@jakeaurod Ай бұрын

Best dance moves? Hmm. If I master the "Triple Jerk" does that mean I could be President?

@thetawaves247 Ай бұрын

The time has come for Tiktok to return to Ke$ha's control

@lrmry Ай бұрын

Hell yeah

@1steyeblind Ай бұрын

Usually your voice has an amsr vibe. That very first part of this video was anything but though!

@grnarsch5287 Ай бұрын

As someone from EU its weard. If we did make such laws tiktok Facebook instagram WhatsApp KZbin... would have to get banned

@phatbman Ай бұрын

Except that the EU isn't hostile to the United States. The EU isn't hostile to the United States right?

@EarthForces Ай бұрын

Get divested from the CCP or get banned. Why is this context not stated? The EU would actually be in favour of this approach if you ask me.

@grnarsch5287 Ай бұрын

@@EarthForces the EU isnt in favour of this. There are reasons. Its protectionism there are always consequences china would make up new taxes. Its just bad for the market. Its the same as with the USA they do the same stuff as the CCP they use there companys to spy on and influence people in the EU. But the EU isnt as radical and made regulations instead of banning something without real reason

@dallysinghson5569 Ай бұрын

Ownership via hostile powers.

@beyondEV Ай бұрын

@@EarthForces Almost all US companies have been caught red handed violating european consumer data protection laws. We in Europeans consider selling our data to third parties, from where they leak into the dark net as bad. And while the US government may not exactly be considered hostile..., i did spy illegally on Eu citizens by means of forcing data handovers from US companies. And kidnapped a Italian Muslim outright in a illegal operation of the streets of italy. Without due process. 4 years held be Mubarak, since the US had at this point abandoned torturing suspected terrorist themselves. But what do you have those bloody dictators only payroll for, if not so you can outsource your war crimes? So the US has already shown, both stealing data and commit crimes against citizens on Eu soil in the name of national security. I don't know of any current evidence (real one, like: police reports, court documents, Ex-CIA-Agents arrested by police and put in prison) that china has conducted such operations in EU soil. Rumors = Propaganda by someone always, but those generally don't hold up under scrutiny.

@dogamusprime1123 Ай бұрын

The way the company handled the news basically guaranteed that they'll eventually be forced to divest. Whether through this current legislation or extreme pressure in the future. I wish our government did a better job of illustrating to people the differences in US private entities vs Chinese 'private' entities. Pretty much all aspects of the Chinese economy are centrally controlled. This is not the case in the US, and you can not treat their companies the same. You have to treat ALL Chinese businesses as direct appendages of the CCP, because that's basically what they are. At least insofar as the threat they represent to security. There will NEVER be an actual independent corporation in 'Communist' China.

@EarthForces Ай бұрын

If only most Americans can grasp that concept if it is relayed to them that clearly. I even find it so silly, that some on the Right think Chinese private companies is playing capitalism on the same sense as the American ones, while those on the Left think the issue of "privacy" matters that much to Chinese company that is compelled to give data for the CCP for their national security purposes. Data privacy is irrelevant when your olforeugn adversary is already gathering data regardless of your domestic concerns about it AOC. 👎

@or8977 Ай бұрын

I'd rather the CCP look at my data over the CIA. Atleast China doesnt kill millions in foreign forever wars

@Benw8888 Ай бұрын

I think you should've mention Tiktok's proposed "Project Texas", cause it actually feels like it'd solve most of the complaints against Tiktok without needing to deal with the potential moral, legal, and practical downsides. At least, that's my current impression, and I want to learn more about alternatives (instead of just "divestment" and "no change")

@user-ps2nn5pj4g Ай бұрын

Ah, but then, you'd deprive Mnuchin of the algo he craves. "That technology should be ours", he recently stated.

@snow5570 Ай бұрын

It sounds good on paper but tiktok has already been caught lying about no American user data being stored in china, it actually turned out that user data from American tiktokers who were part of the creator fund (it's how u get paid on tiktok basically) had a ton of data stored on Chinese servers

@technokicksyourass Ай бұрын

Project Texas is just a morality virtue signal bill, that doesn't solve the actual problem. Who has root access to the servers, and who is securing the data is what ultimately matters.

@user-ps2nn5pj4g Ай бұрын

@@technokicksyourassIn a sane world, maybe. But in this through-the-looking-glass world, what ultimately matters is that a rival has something highly profitable that the US wants. And it'll use any means, fair, foul or downright illegal and morally reprehensible to take it.

@VVayVVard Ай бұрын

The problem is that the algorithm can still be influenced by the CCP, via ByteDance. And based on the content that gets the most engagement currently, we have reasons to suspect that it may have been purposefully designed to hurt US interests. In which case forcing ByteDance to sell it to a company in a non-adversarial country makes more sense as a solution.

@gatonegro187 Ай бұрын

Tiktok ddossed the senate phones lol 😂😂😂

@whtiequillBj Ай бұрын

Commonwealth of Virginia? Not State of Virginia? Is there a video coming up on this?

@SianaGearz Ай бұрын

"Banned in China" is a bit of a stretch. It just operates in China under a different name and with separate content.

@user-pj6ch6cc4d Ай бұрын

No, it's true. TikTok and 抖音 are literally two different apps.

@coyotepeyote Ай бұрын

Douyin is a separate app, it shares many similarities but the TikTok app that exists in the US is in fact banned in China, along with all the US based social media sites, you can illegally use a VPN to access them but unless you work for the CCP as a wumao propagandist posting anything is ill advised.

@user-ps2nn5pj4g Ай бұрын

@@user-pj6ch6cc4dWith the same format, the same icon/logo, and the same parent company.

@user-eg3fq1ov7g Ай бұрын

他们本质是一样的@@user-pj6ch6cc4d

@jetli740 Ай бұрын

@@user-pj6ch6cc4d it the same app cater for region

@JSDudeca Ай бұрын

How many drives to take all the data? Seriously, CCP already has it all. It’s just too easy to get and obfuscate the process of getting it.

@scorpiom8053 Ай бұрын

no they don't, where you get the idea CPC even cares about your clown data

@scorpiom8053 Ай бұрын

see see pee doesn't care about random data of some random person

@JSDudeca Ай бұрын

@@scorpiom8053Don't spend your 25 cents all in one place.

@CedarHunt Ай бұрын

We've had reports that the domestic servers for tiktok are empty anyway. There were engineers subpoenaed back when they were first investigating the company, who pretty much told everyone that all they do is transfer data to China and then route data back into the country.

@PherPhur Ай бұрын

Of course they do, it's AI training data. This is an AI arms race, you people see AI doomer shit all over the internet for how long now and you don't understand what's going on, for real?

@eranhaim9913 Ай бұрын

The Venn diagram of TikTok and Instagram is quite similar to a circle

@gamersunite7968 Ай бұрын

I work in the data centers in Virginia, lol. So I’m a little freaked about how the divestiture will affect my job. I’m an American citizen working with Oracle and not a bytedance employee.

@TexasJoe1985 Ай бұрын

The under 40 not using Facebook and over 40 not using TikTok is accurate. I am 39 and use neither.

@4clover689 Ай бұрын

While there isn’t an overlap between Facebook and tik tok users, young people certainly use Instagram, which is also owned by meta. Reels would gain a lot of traction if tik tok dried up

@SkywarpG1X Ай бұрын

And don't forget KZbin shorts. Many tik tok Creators would flood to KZbin.

@TheBritalianJob Ай бұрын

Almost clicked away when you said the video wouldn’t be starting with a dance

@Abradrake2 Ай бұрын

6:36 Care to elaborate on the "Bizarre circle"theory of politics? Seems like way too interesting of a topic to leave in a throwaway line.

@JokerFace090 Ай бұрын

As far as I can tell, it is a talking point for far right violent terrorists to say the other side is just as bad.

@chaos5104 Ай бұрын

It odd China banned TikTok but when US going to banned or take over the app China mad!

@icosthop9998 Ай бұрын

Not odd, #CCP_CHINA Does gather information about the people who use that platform.

@brianliew5901 Ай бұрын

So Uncle Sam is the new copy cat on the block. 😂

@beyondEV Ай бұрын

@@brianliew5901 Ever heard of Wikileaks? The CCP is the copy-cat. If they actually do it. Likely they don't risk it, as it would not only close the US market. All the 5G / Wireless / etc. techexport from all Chinese Companies would be threatened. China thinks long term. It's the US that devolved to always eat the candy now, like a kind.

@Dave05J Ай бұрын

@@brianliew5901 Uncle Sam has the right to defend itself!!!

@brianliew5901 Ай бұрын

@@Dave05J Those who genocides have no whatsoever rights.

@cpt_nordbart Ай бұрын

That will be a bad day for those Americans that actually make money with tiktok. KZbin shorts is getting pushed as everyone here has noticed already. We'll see what happens next.

@dontcomply3976 Ай бұрын

Oh no Anyway....

@JokerFace090 Ай бұрын

OMFG what will happen to the world as we know it if Vine shuts down???? Talentless hacks and demagogues will move on to the next platform that allows them to bombard an audience with shortform content that doesn't ask them to think.

@tommohsien888 Ай бұрын

Which is the greatest Chinese import to the US. 1. Covid 2. Fentanyl 3. TiKTok 4. Temu ? Feel free to add to the list.

@petermaunsell4575 Ай бұрын

Looking forward to the Maduro vid. :)

@averagewhiteguy2 Ай бұрын

Wait, on that list of foreign adversaries, why is Belarus not on that list? It seems like it would be. I wonder why it isn't.

@maxfmfdm Ай бұрын

Lol i was just telling my coworker how I don't use tiktok cause it's a tool for the ccp

@attackman4458 Ай бұрын

I’ve been to China and the irony is that they’ve banned all the western apps and won’t even allow VPNs but get upset when America bans an app which is a security threat😂 another great irony

@hwg5039 Ай бұрын

Ok but I'm reading this comment in China with a VPN.

@elmohead Ай бұрын

Zero irony, actually. China never claim to champion free speech. USA, however...

@user-ps2nn5pj4g Ай бұрын

Apples and oranges. China didn't mandate that FB sell its China market to China. US mandates the sale/divestment of the technology. Furthermore, China dinged US platforms for non-compliance with their laws. NOT because it wanted to steal the technology. And you're wrong about VPNs, too. Everyone I know in China has one.

@nightowl7261 Ай бұрын

Everyone knows China has censorship and China doesn't ever claim to be the leader of free speech. The USA and the rest of the West, though, does. So it's ironic when the US wants to ban this and that but still goes around claiming to be the leader of free speech. Lmao

@zenastronomy Ай бұрын

2 issues with your argument. 1) china did not ban any western apps, they allow them to operate in china so long as they follow Chinese law such as spying on their public. American companies left as they said they didn't want to follow Chinese law. 2) china never said it was a champion of freespeech, freemarket capitalism and liberty, that's the west. the west can easily admit to the world, we don't believe in freespeech, free markets or liberty etc. And ban tiktok. but west doesn't want to admit that. as they use their good guy image as PR to make china and russia and iran the bogeyman. how does it look to the world, seeing usa behave like china, russia, north Korea 😂😂😂

@fabovondestory Ай бұрын

Strong 💪

@phineascampbell3103 Ай бұрын

I feel a short dance routine to begin would've really helped sell your analysis, myself, but fiiine

@alihasanabdullah7586 Ай бұрын

Either my data goes to NSA, or the CCP. I don't see how that makes much of a difference.

@dallysinghson5569 Ай бұрын

Find out where you'd rather live first. The US, or China.

@user-pj6ch6cc4d Ай бұрын

Then maybe you should educate yourself on the differences between the two.

@Emars118 Ай бұрын

⁠@@dallysinghson5569black or white fallacy. Should we be spied on by a foreign government that can directly harm us through influencing dissenting opinions, and hacking infrastructure? Or would you rather be spied on by a domestic government that can directly harm us by trampling on our rights, and feeding us propaganda? It doesn’t have to be this way. If you ask me, it shouldn’t be this way.

@PeterMuskrat6968 Ай бұрын

Chances are the US isn’t going to target you unless you do something high profile enough to warrant it. The Chinese will literally hunt you don’t for any reason. I don’t even care about user data… and the people that focus on that are idiots. Tik-Tok is the world’s most dangerous cyberweapon. Being able to make some fake ass account, post 60 second long “content” that is nothing but misinformation and then have the algorithm send that video far and wide, thereby spreading misinformation on a scale never before seen in the internet age.

@alihasanabdullah7586 Ай бұрын

@dallysinghson5569 I'd rather live in the US because it treats its populace better than China. But the thing is, I don't. And US foreign policy is a lot worse than China's. Even historically when China was a powerhouse, their preferred method of subjugation has been vassalization and tributary formation. All things considered, I'd rather my nation be subjugated by the Chinese than the Americans. And that is IF. They'll have to go through us to conquer our land. And we don't plan on making it easy. Meanwhile, CCP gets my data.

@user-assoul_ Ай бұрын

TikTok and Temu should’ve never been allowed to be used in this country. I would personally ban any products from China, Russia and Iran indefinitely.

@lrmry Ай бұрын

👏 👏

@PherPhur Ай бұрын

Temu are selective scammers, they won't last too long, or they shouldn't anyways. IDK, people are stupid and they get 10x stupid with low prices and a spinning wheel of deals.

@Adam-wg2rf Ай бұрын

Temu ?

@cynthiaherbst3909 Ай бұрын

@@Adam-wg2rfit's like Ali Express, but somehow more sh*t

@user-assoul_ Ай бұрын

@@Adam-wg2rf yes, look it up. They are spying on you too. Temu is a Chinese based app as well.

@cahdoge Ай бұрын

2:43 I love how Biden just has a whole magazine of pens laying on his desk. ^^

@xeanderman6688 Ай бұрын

@@Neil-zu2rx They use one per bill, right?

@Trome1200 Ай бұрын

All these ironies make you really think: What exactly do they know that they aren't telling us?

@0xCAFEF00D Ай бұрын

Why do people like tiktok enough to call their representatives? It's just the people on it that's important. Literally move to shorts and you've lost nothing except Chinese meddling.