The Freemen’s Hold on the Town Moor Explained

This is part of a series of videos whereby I explore possible sites for a new stadium, should Newcastle United owners take that option.
Context:
A few weeks ago, Newcastle United supporters were invited to take part in a survey to explore the views of fans in terms of what they would like in terms of their stadium and facilities. This is a process that comes as a result of the recent Government led review which places legal obligations on club owners to put fans at the heart of club decision making; particularly for club heritage assets, including stadium location.
Basically, club owners need majority fan approval before suggesting a stadium move. At time of writing, the results of the survey are not know. These videos seek to explore possible site locations and in no way suggest that theses ideas are actually going to happen, nor do they necessarily reflect my own personal stadium preferences, or location, unless I specifically suggest it in a video.
If you have landed on this video first, please watch video #1 to establish a broad understanding of the current circumstances.

[@bobstirling6885]

The Town Moor is one of the best pieces of green space in any city. Nibbling bits away to develop a stadium or any other facility would be the start of the end of the moor.

[@bodinski100]

a temporary stadium on the moor, for a couple of years, enabling Newcastle to rebuild St James park, would not be a bad thing long term.....with counterbalances put in place contractually for NUFC to redress, restore and help conserve the area afterwards. *If the Sudi's are to be believed they are in for the long haul, so a 5 years redevelopment which leaves us with a larger stadium, and the same wilderness space we had prior, is a no brainer for me. And as for timescales of regeneration, just look how quickly the open cast mine has been filled in and landscaped at Northumberlandia.....

[@TynesideLife]

It has been getting nibbled away at for a few hundred years now Bob

[@Johnboys128]

​@TynesideLife surely the land where st james park stands would go back to green space?

[@TynesideLife]

@@Johnboys128 it’s possible but not necessarily. Sir John Halls plan was to convert St James’ Park into a smaller community stadium

[@hexusG4Z]

It's nothing but a field with next to zero biodiversity. If it actually were a great green space then the arguments against development would make more sense. Also have to wonder who it is elected these 'freemen' to decide for us how such a massive part of our city, why is it we are letting this be decided by laws from 300 years ago? Ridiculous, should be up to the council only, which while they may not be perfect they are at least accountable. I say build on it, and landscape some of it and actually add some trees and things instead of an endless field of shitty grass.

[@Flukey_1970]

Great video really enjoyed that and had no clue about it. One thing though mate, As the current St James site is part of the town moor surely they can have that land back if they were to donate a portion of unused land elsewhere on the moor that doesnt have the issues of listed buildings next to it etc. seems like a fair swap to me.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@johnmctaggart1031]

No mention of Newcastle united golf club who also contribute to the town or

[@TynesideLife]

@@johnmctaggart1031 just an oversight. Thanks for mentioning it 👍🏻

[@bugsthompson]

Weird how we value some old bricks more than ancient land

[@peterr11]

Very interesting Eddie. My question to the Freeman would be "If the moor land previously donated for St James Park was returned to the freeman and converted to park land would the freeman be open to the idea of the club being allowed to develop a new stadium on Castle Leazes using approx the same amount of land as being returned. Therefore no real loss of existing town moor acreage and new park right in the city centre is created for public use ?"

[@TynesideLife]

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[@Geordie_Peter]

As a Freeman myself I agree with the idea of building a new stadium but just north of SJP to the left of Leazes Park. SJP could be demolished and the land it sits on turned into a reshaped Leazes park. The listed buildings on Leazes Terrace would have a park view and not the back of the East stand. I believe Sir John Hall proposed a similar idea when he owned the club.

[@TynesideLife]

@@Geordie_Peter could you drop me an email Peter please. [e-mail]

[@BaronSpamedi]

​@Geordie_Peter I mentioned something similar to this idea the other week. They should demolish St James' Park and build a new stadium further up on the moor above Leazes Park, or onto the Town Moor and then just convert the land around the current stadium into a bigger, improved park, and/or moor land.

[@LeeStewart]

I suggested the same thing.

[@chrislynn8689]

Quality video!!! Well directed/produced! Defiantly need a freeman video now i know it's their cows in toon!

[@TynesideLife]

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[@user-rd3vb8wc3s]

Well done Eddie another great video.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@ne6385]

Great video buddy. This popped up on my Google feed. Love the history

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers Mark 👊🏻

[@DavidLayfield]

Thanks for the great video Eddy. Really helped clarify what’s what and where…interesting to be reminded that SJP is already built on the Town Moor, in effect. Will be interesting to see how they solve the SJP conundrum…while waiting we are so blessed to have such an exciting club to enjoy (often from behind the sofa peeping through our fingers!) 😊😂

[@TynesideLife]

Thank you David 🙏

[@bugsthompson]

It was. But to take more now would be a green light for all of it to be developed on in coming years. Our owners have the money to develop saint James. It can be done

[@ianjames9166]

Excellent stuff, Eddy. Meticulous research as always. I learnt a hell of a lot there. 👍

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers Ian 👊🏻

[@harrygray1301]

They used to have a exhibition on the Moor every year ,with trade stands, flower shows, beer tents, eats, etc. A great day out in the summer when I had a young family with no money for holidays.A RAF harrier once give a slow, hovering demonstration .. Happy memories.

[@TynesideLife]

Great times 👍🏻

[@stevenrackham5544]

Great in-site Eddy keep this channel growing

[@TynesideLife]

Thank you Steven 👊🏻👍🏻

[@robdavies82]

I found out the aprox location of the gallows, as there’s an old map with them marked. The location is “aprox” but it’s in the area where the Regimental buildings are, or just to the south lf that, but they were marked on one map around there.

[@TynesideLife]

Ahh thanks for sharing that Rob 🙏👊🏻

[@sirraider2306]

Excellent video eddy thank you keep up the good work 👌🏼

[@TynesideLife]

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[@bodinski100]

A temporary stadium on the moor, for a couple of years, enabling Newcastle to rebuild St James park, would not be a bad thing long term.....with counterbalances put in place contractually for NUFC to redress, restore and help conserve the area afterwards. *If the Sudi's are to be believed they are in for the long haul, so a 5 years redevelopment which leaves us with a larger stadium, and the same wilderness space we had prior, is a no brainer for me. And as for timescales of regeneration, just look how quickly the open cast mine has been filled in and landscaped at Northumberlandia.....

[@TynesideLife]

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[@alancollingwood7884]

Excellent video. I note from the numerous comments that you have generated a great deal of debate. I think the various comments discussing the idea of building a brand new stadium on the Moor and then giving the current site back to the Town is an excellent idea. I am looking forward to your follow up video when you explore this option. To me it would result in a win win situation for NUFC and the City.

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers Alan 👊🏻

[@tigertankdestroyer1599]

Nice to bump into Helen at the post office today, all the best Derek

[@TynesideLife]

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[@Helen-nz1xp]

You as well have a lovely Xmas👍

[@darrincooper3218]

Always super informative, another brilliant post.

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers Darren 👊🏻

[@neilnicholas4028]

Great video. Very interesting. Nice 1 Eddie

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers Neil 👍🏻

[@thejarrageordie]

Excellent coverage eddy, your learn something all the time with your videos, I hope they build a new ground, plenty of green land around for the cow's, And so right about walking near them cow's, quite scary, 👍

[@TynesideLife]

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[@grahamritchie7755]

Great video Eddie! Very interesting topic.

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers Graham 👊🏻

[@Cristi4nMax]

Great video, very educational .

[@TynesideLife]

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[@keithrn9447]

Oh a PS for Tyneside Life, I love your videos, keep up the good work!

[@TynesideLife]

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[@Rosshobson]

Very informative as always Eddy.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@jimmycburfield5997]

Brilliantly produced. Absolute quality watch. Very interesting

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers Jim 👊🏻👍🏻

[@catherinerobilliard7662]

The town moor has the annual funfair; that’s the only development it needs.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@BaronSpamedi]

Theres another good reason to put the stadium on the Town Moor and to amalgamate and redevelop the current land the stadium is on into an expanded and improved Leazes Park. It will help mitigate some of the horrendous traffic congestion, right next to the major hospital in the city, which occurs on matchdays.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@user-tw4qe7oh7m]

The Gallowgate and Town Moor hanging sites were completely different. The grandstand for the race course was at the highest piece of land close by the modern Grandstand Road. I have read that the Town Moor hanging site was also here, but.... who knows? Great channel!

[@TynesideLife]

The Gallows were next to where Fenham Bks are now 👍🏻

[@marcusoreallly]

Good episode, Eddy.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@marcusoreallly]

​@TynesideLife I think if they don't have a brilliant plan to expand. I think you went to Dortmund. That was impressive. Newcastle needs about 80k, like Dortmund.

[@ozzy6162]

I know you were keen on the Benton Park area Eddy that was to be left by the Reuben Bros moving their staff to Pilgrim's Quarter - is that still possible? Failing that I think the most likely scenario is to use Leazes Park and surrounding area for the new stadium & return the St James' area back to park land when complete.

[@TynesideLife]

No I got that one wrong Ozzy. I did an apology video three days later

[@geoffrobinson4106]

Hi Eddy, if my memory is correct the Gallows would have been where the Central Motorway is and probably the local land mark would be the Windmill on Claremont Road which was a Golf club and as for the cows they are more scared of you if you shout and make yourself look big. 😉 Cheers Geoff

[@TynesideLife]

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[@helpmehelp3009]

You can not tell me about the town moor! Thank god, you can not build on it. I did a lot of my courting on it. It's Holy ground, MAN.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@guybennett3243]

Fantastic informative vlog Eddie, thank you 🙏

[@TynesideLife]

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[@grahambell9831]

Afternoon Eddy, Very interesting topic, looking forward to those questions being answered. Apologies for being a bit quiet lately.....lots of painting and decorating and an untimely, botched bathroom refit......getting things resolved hopefully before Xmas. Looking forward to a 2 nil win against Chelsea tomorrow night 👍

[@TynesideLife]

Decorating yuk 🤢

[@clowbeck1202]

Great work again, I appreciate the research and conjecture. My pipedream, and it really is a pipedream would be for the New St James's to be built on Leezes park somehow but on the basis the land the current stadium sits on is restored to park land, so in the long run Leezes park gets a reshuffle and doesn't lose much to a new build. Then while works are taking place, if Newcastle united need to play away from st James's for a while, they could jump in the pre-upgraded Gateshead stadium. This pre-upgrade could be a community investment program funded by the PIF. So many wins here but a suspect the club will opt for a site easier to build on away from Leezes. Pipedream 😉😉

[@TynesideLife]

Thank you 🙏 👊🏻

[@cavedoguk3787]

Great video Eddie 👍🏻Maybe if the PIF submitted a world beating sustainable stadium plan, that may persuade planners and freemen to allow such a venture. Would definitely put the PIF, Stadium The Town and NUFC on the world map. Currently Tottenham Hotspur have the best in the country and are also ranked high in the top 10 sporting arenas of the world.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@paulos9900]

I go running on the Town Moore when the cattle are about. I just try and be cautious. If they are congregated on or close to the path I will sometimes go slightly into the grass to give them a wide berth. If I am going to be passing a bit closer I tend to slow down and walk past them in order not to make them nervous. Only had a slight scare once when I was passing through the area where the footbridge over the motorway leads to Claremont Road. They were congregated near the gate and I had to walk through a group of them and 1 of them was acting in a way that caused me to think it might charge.

[@TynesideLife]

After my personal bad experiences and hearing of walkers being trampled to death over the years I feel quite strongly about them having access to the public. It’s serious safety issue

[@pauldavidson2688]

The cows can be a bit skittish when they’re first put on but then get used to people pretty quickly. I’ve lived near the moor for nearly 30 years and the only problems I’ve heard of and experienced are when idiots are winding the cows up with their dogs or off-road motorbikes. I have also had a couple of occasions getting into bother with cows while walking in various parts of the Uk but in both occasions the herd had calves. I believe that is the trigger for most incidents. As much as we need a bigger stadium, I don’t think the residents covered by Newcastle City Council will support it.

[@mr.j3189]

Hello Eddie! Are there any brownfield sites that would be suitable? I always feel a little bit sad when our green and pleasant land gets dug up!

[@TynesideLife]

Hi mate, check out video #1 👍🏻

[@RushfanUK]

I still think if the club were to move as an alternative to expansion then the Arena and surrounding brownfield land would be the next best option, not easy with the current development plans but until any development starts plans can always be changed, the massive advantage of SJP is the central city location which makes the movement of fans in and out of the stadium easier and it has major financial benefit to all the pubs, restaurants and fast food outlets on a match day.

[@TynesideLife]

That video is coming up but I discussed it briefly in my previous video 👍🏻

[@SirAmnesia]

Some vid and appreciate the effort this must have taken, i've passed it on to friends. I'd love a new stadium, but feel like its the leazes, metro, or a redevelopment of the current site for me. I feel the redelopment potential of the metro arena location could be the biggest for the city and transform the area with a fair bit of land, although probably not as much as town moor or leazes. Which, with that amount of land, you could turn it into a sports complex similar to citys

[@TynesideLife]

I agree ☝️

[@jonmorris1999]

Interesting bit of history this. Thanks Jonny from Donny

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers bud 👊🏻

[@jimfell7147]

Absorbing stuff Eddie, but what else would we expect from Tyneside Life. Surely a state of the art stadium to seat 80k would be nothing but a benifit to the city and probably a lot less red tape than expansion given the graded buildings around St. James. When they release the survey results it will be an eye opener. Thanks for this and the follow ups, can't wait. How much does the city get from allowing a few cows to graze, your point about the dangers cows present not lost, my wife lost a brother to a cow and there was a story about the lass killed in Northumberland a while ago where the farmer is now on the hook for over 100k, wonder if the city would be liable if a similar event happened on the moor?

[@TynesideLife]

Great message Jim thank you. Sorry to hear about your wife’s brother. Cows are a menace. Yeah I’ve been following events re the lady who was killed a few years ago and the criminal conviction of the farmer. I’ll be doing a separate video about the Freemen in the new year

[@geordienufc3132]

Some great info there. Thanks

[@TynesideLife]

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[@maccakormy]

What ever the owners want and dream ,I am sure it will be amazing If they make the area open as well around Natural park around would look amazing Anything our new owners do , Have my support From my own selfish FAN point of view :) Amazing video Eddie , great History Making it the REAL GALLOWGATE spooooky A Hellish story teams coming to there Demise hahahaah Great vid mate as always

[@TynesideLife]

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[@Magicalfluidprocess]

Can you do a vid on , what is a freeman ? What are the full benefits and what is the criteria’ ? Dig deep

[@TynesideLife]

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[@Magicalfluidprocess]

@@TynesideLifeit’s all very clandestine if you ask me , also as you can’t verify for yourself if climate change is real , in the interests of journalistic integrity it may be better if you said “ trees are being planted to counter act the effects of alleged climate change “ I remember when it was called global warming 😂 that’s a tough sell to the geordies 😂😂 so it was changed to climate change , yes people are payed to come up with these slogans 😂

[@TynesideLife]

@@Magicalfluidprocess kind of 👍🏻

[@DYL2020]

Would be canny to build a new academy structure their or the new training ground but we can’t believe St James’s Park

[@TynesideLife]

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[@alexandersimpson3638]

If it wasn't for the Freemans, this land would have been sold off to developers long ago. Councils have been destroying green belt land for development at an alarming rate around the UK. Councils have been shown to do just about anything for quick fix money, for instance increasing parking fines issued 5 fold in a decade in most cases. We are lucky, it is the way it is or there would be precious little greenery left today.. Sharing the land with a few cows isn't so bad, certainly not as dangerous as walking around a built up Urban environment and heavy traffic. So for me it's a minor price to pay, to keep our green belt out of the hands of our council..

[@TynesideLife]

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[@michaellupton1593]

Interesting video Eddy, well researched. I think the Town Moor could be an even better green space for the people. The cattle should go, the open space could have more trees creating glades and sheltered spaces and the money for greener development and facilities for children and families could come from, yes, a new stadium. It is highly unlikely to happen though, we are trapped by history in this country, why should an elite few Freeman decide how public land is utilised. I wouldn’t be surprised if historically it was once common land in any case.

[@TynesideLife]

We’re not trapped by history. The legislation was updated in 1988 to protect the moor, with cattle being an important part. If there were no cattle, there’d be no Freemen and with no Freemen there’d be no regular events to raise money and the council would need to sell the land to raise money, like other local authorities. The Freemen work in partnership with the council on the land management. I mention the history of the land in the video, going back a thousand years 👍🏻

[@michaellupton1593]

@@TynesideLife Eddy, the open space could be protected differently, without reference to rights to graze cattle, or a Freeman organisation to oversee. There are different models which could reach a settlement to protect and enhance the open space. How are Freeman appointed ?

[@TynesideLife]

@@michaellupton1593 I’m doing a separate video on the Freemen in the new year. Other local authorities around the UK have been forced to sell their open spaces either because they can’t afford the maintenance, or because they need the money for other services. Newcastle City Council would be no different in these difficult times. Can you add some detail as to how they could sustain the land and its protections without the grazing rights please. I can then ask them to comment when I speak to them 👍🏻

[@michaellupton1593]

@@TynesideLife Eddy, if you look at the moor it is just a windswept expanse of rough grass, basically a monoculture.. ok a few plantings of trees..and some straight footpaths. Suggestions: Stop grazing cattle. Cow shit is not good for bairns and cattle are reared with very little farmer handling nowadays so they can be flighty and aggressive toward people especially with dogs. An open space in a city should be for recreational activities. Make it into a huge park with winding paths, trees and more play spaces and facilities. It could be like Central Park or any other City park. Explore the possibility of a new stadium with the money funding the re-imagining of the moor. No doubt it is probably in the too hard box for the Council and the Freemen probably want to hold onto their antiquated rights. We spent some time in Mexico City this summer, an incredibly traffic snarled City.. the Chapultepec city park was fantastic, museum’s, cafes, beautiful greenery, market stalls, cafes, cycle track, full of families having simple fun. All we have is a large expanse of rough grass and a load of cows. The Moor could be much better. I don’t think the Freemen system has produced the best outcome. We should demand better. We are too accepting of the status quo.

[@TynesideLife]

@@michaellupton1593 it’s difficult to discuss this with you bud. You carry a lot of misconceptions, assumptions and prejudices about this topic. I covered a lot of this in depth in the video. I have ideas too about how things could be improved, but it comes with a deep understanding of history, heritage, local culture and biodiversity. Thanks for watching the video 👍🏻

[@jonathonblacker299]

Hi Eddy, I recommend as your a Newcastle Fan Journalist news looking for new stories, Castore and the online NUFC have basically done a runner with lots of Fans money and not sent out any of the purchases, lots of Christmas presents, including me, these guys order back in November and Castore have gone to ground and ignoring fans emails etc, online trust pilot reviews have been destroyed, if and when they do refund, it looks like they are keeping the money for shipping that's not been shipped, its really bad. just a heads up story for you.

[@TynesideLife]

Thanks for letting me know 👍🏻

[@FUNFAIRRIDES360]

As long as the hoppings is unaffected maybe have it on the fenced off field next to the land

[@TynesideLife]

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[@blip2012Toon]

A good start to your new vlog direction… I think most people would be in agreement with an ‘independent body’ keeping this area free from urban developers and council politicians. There have been compromises since the 1800s - you underlined some of them quite clearly. It’s a complicated issue and complicated for a reason, a reason some may not agree with. Quite who the Freeman are, their history, the legal ownership and what the future holds for their grip on this green space is not going to be decided by the problem of upgrading or building a new stadium for Newcastle United. As an aside… they did build temporary stadiums in Qatar.

[@TynesideLife]

A breath of fresh air thank you 🙏

[@markmartin541]

The Qatar World Cup had a 60,000 seater studium made of shipping containers, it was a temporary stadium ! Could we build that on town Moore while we redevelop SJP - expensive but we are very wealthy ?

[@ChrisInToon]

That is an interesting suggestion.

[@TynesideLife]

I discussed this in my previous video and will be exploring it in more depth in a separate video. It’s my view that a temporary stadium on the Town Moor would need infrastructure that would be permanent in nature. That would be access roads, car parks, drainage, water pipes etc. without this, the land would be vulnerable to significant damage.

[@markmartin541]

@@TynesideLife your probably right Eddie but the Saudis are fully versed in construction and I’m sure they could restore Moore to original state - lots of routes forward, let’s see where we go 👍

[@annagrigor8717]

It is a gem in Newcastle that encourages local people to keep fit and active on . If this is built on and taken away Newcastle loses precious space and becomes a built up over crowded and polluted city with next to no access to outdoor space. As a local it isn’t an unattractive space it is a lung in a city that is highly congested with cars and pollution. I agree making it more vibrant by adding trees and plants would be beneficial but l for one would not want the area to be sold off for thousands of pounds to benefit the football culture that already is a multi million industry. This land is for the population of Newcastle that values open green space and wildlife and animals not a concrete jungle with yet more congestion in an already over congested city. I hope the freeman’s protect this land and are not stupid enough to be swayed by more greedy money making enterprises. The town moor is so important!!

[@TynesideLife]

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[@joppadoni]

I'd love to know if they'd be interested in reclaiming St James Park land if the club were to build a new stadium somewhere on the town moor.

[@TynesideLife]

Possibly. I’m mentioning this in video #3 released tomorrow 👍🏻

[@stevenredmond7455]

Yes you can build a new stadium but St James Park should be returned to the Freemen & restored to moorlands. Too many City Green spaces are being built on. Don’t blame the cattle for humans failings.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@malfromthetoon6705]

You’re a good narrator, new job for you .

[@TynesideLife]

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[@skateboardscott]

I’m ok with this. If they build it big enough you’ll still be able to see it from a distance like a cathedral on the hill.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@bobthomson3500]

Eddie, you said "technically" the land is owned by the council, but the Freemen donated land (rented) to the RVI and St James'. How does that work? If the council own it, how can the Freemen donate/rent it.

[@TynesideLife]

It’s complicated Bob and I discuss it a bit more in the Town Moor video. Neither the council nor the Freeman can do anything with the land without the others consent. The council ‘own’ the land but the Freemen have grazing rights, established through an act of parliament 👍🏻

[@bobthomson3500]

@TynesideLifeNews Watched them all, twice 🤣 Was just trying to get my head around it. As the Council and Freemen are tightly interlinked and reliant on each other to agree any proposal, I would assume (my take on it) the land rent is split equally. Any changes to land use requiring the Council to initially agree to a 3rd party proposal and the Freemen rubber stamping it (or not).

[@TynesideLife]

It’s difficult to say Bob but a freedom of information request to the council may reveal the finer details. Thanks for taking a balanced interest Bob 👍🏻

[@bobthomson3500]

@TynesideLifeNews After a bit of investigation Eddie. Hope im not bothering you. NUFC last accounts show they paid Newcastle Council £690k land rent. The Freemen, who are basically 12 trustees, did not receive any financial benefit, according to their accounts, from club, RVI etc. The lease to NUFC on the land is in perpetuity and unbreakable (I assume to protect the club and Freemen). Does this affect any relocation? Could do.

[@TynesideLife]

@@bobthomson3500 great digging Bob. The Freemen are a registered charity, so I wonder if they receive a cut of the rent from the council. I’d say that anything is possible in terms of relocation. If you go back to the 97’ plan, the club got the green light from the council and Freemen but were halted by protests.

[@dustymillar7026]

It starts with a nibble and doesn't stop. In my home town in my lifetime we lost almost the the whole of a local park, and an entire piece of foreshore, both of which were donated/designated for public leisure use, and you will not be able to stop it! Political People will see to that for their own ends!!!

[@TynesideLife]

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[@RaseYourProbs]

Cant we just extend st James's park? Im sure the half unbuilt parts can be renovated on?

[@TynesideLife]

You need to watch vide #1 to understand the context bud 👍🏻

[@RaseYourProbs]

@TynesideLife alright will do.. its just that this video was prompted before the 1st 🤣

[@TynesideLife]

KZbin eh 🙄😂 The video numbers are at the bottom of the thumbnail picture 👍🏻

[@RaseYourProbs]

@TynesideLife thanks, will catch them... love your channel

[@pauljames77777]

Great Video Eddie, cant see it happening , wish it could , I think too much Blue tape invovled to even get a chance to move forward But its never over to the fat lady sings , look forward to your part 2 of this subject Eddie Keep the videos Comming mate

[@TynesideLife]

I agree. Cheers Paul 👊🏻👍🏻

[@GRAYZOGRAY]

every bit of green belt should be left alone, dont disturb this beautiful area of nature. i propose the old ministry land benton park veiw. just off the coast road already built on, huge area and protential, ideal access for fans and away teams to get to problem solved 😁

[@TynesideLife]

There definitely won’t be a stadium built outside of the city centre bud. That needs majority fan approval 👍🏻

[@paulwardropper9579]

do what boro did with riverside stadium and rebuild near or on land where arena is and move that to where st james is now as there would be better transport routes for concert goer's

[@TynesideLife]

I’m doing a video on this 👍🏻

[@OLDDREW]

Could they build an new stadium and make the existing St JAMES PARK park land again

[@TynesideLife]

Possibly 👍🏻

[@Bru88425]

You didn’t answer the question

[@TynesideLife]

I did

[@Bru88425]

@@TynesideLife can we build a new ground on it then?

[@TynesideLife]

@@Bru88425 I answered the question near the end of the video 👍🏻

[@Bru88425]

@@TynesideLife 😂 I’ll give it another watch! Pay more attention 😂

[@TynesideLife]

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[@kevin4havis]

Very interesting Eddy. In my view it should not be developed in any way. It is a part of Newcastle history.

[@TynesideLife]

That’s kind of the point Kev. It has been developed several times already in recent history 👍🏻

[@antdb4]

Another time invested incredibly interesting video, thanks! It now makes sense why the biggest hospital in Newcastle is called The Freeman😮and wow did not know that officially SJP is already on a part of the Town Moor....my Q would be if the Town Moor is there for the people of Newcastle, why dont the Freeman ask us would be want a new SJP built on a 'part' of the Moor. as it would most definitely benefit the city and the people to have a giant 80,000 seater stadium, a no-brainer in my opinion and as the Town Moor is sooo big it surely wouldn't take away the awesome space? This would be a one off, not a precedent. Ta 👍

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers Ant 👍🏻 asking them if they consult with the public is one of my questions 👍🏻

[@philburke3652]

Great video Eddie. Love how we have the Town Moor with cows on it in summer. How many other cities have that? But i also have thought about the dangers of having these large animals in such a public place and whether there have been any incidents. Couple of times I've had to shoo them away from the gates on the edge of the moor and it is a bit tricky to say the least..

[@TynesideLife]

Great message cheers Phil 👊🏻👍🏻

[@IanEckert1977]

Go On Eddie Hope Son... ...I Wasn't Taught This In School My Good-Man... ...Just The Tories Having A Good Fucking Time Out Of Our Bottoms Son...

[@TynesideLife]

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[@IanEckert1977]

​@@TynesideLifeHo Ho Ho Ho...Merry Christmas Everyone...

[@tonyjefferson3502]

surely it could be built in another part of the town moor and give st james land back to the freemen. They could then decide to remove ( part of the deal) or possible reduce and rent to the Womens team or Rugby etc

[@TynesideLife]

This video is part of a series looking at land in Newcastle. Check out my previous video for context 👍🏻

[@funfairsthemeparksu.k8970]

eddie as a fair enthusiast if it did happen our showmen would have a lot to say about it

[@TynesideLife]

Oh I think a lot of people would have a lot to say about it 👍🏻

[@sambog2635]

hope we can find way to increase seats but stay in the city

[@TynesideLife]

Have you watched # 3 yet?

[@msajawal]

No thank you we need some green space and we need the hoppings

[@TynesideLife]

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[@keithsaint8829]

I think the town moor is a waste of time pursuing It would be a great location but it’s just going to hit one problem after another. I only see one option and that’s a new stadium that can help create the revenue it’s going to take to compete at the highest level I would be very surprised if permission was granted here It’s going to take some serious back handers 😉

[@TynesideLife]

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[@johnprosser5035]

Why would you build a new stadium which could cost close to a Billion pounds for a club with little to none fan base outside of Newcastle? That's not an insult.... The fans are incredible and deserve some silverware.... But don't see Newcastle getting the Global fan base to grow Revenues

[@TynesideLife]

See video #1 👍🏻

[@sellingtowinselling3876]

How do i become a freeman??

[@TynesideLife]

There are hundreds of Freemen and the name of the vice chair was in the video. I’ll be doing a separate video on the Freemen 👍🏻

[@keithrn9447]

Moving the stadium from the heart of the city would not get my vote. St James's is an integral part of that heart. A move into the moor would make it a bit of a hike from all the pubs, transport hubs, parking. 75,000 fans making their way into and out of a new site, roads , paths and infrastructure would take up a large part of the moor. You can hear the crowd of St James's in Northumberland Street when the team score. Why not pull down the Metro Centre and build it There? Move it out of town? never! I am sure clever architects will be able to work magic and squeeze another 10,000 people in. Abolish some of the seating ? In 1936 the OLD St James 's packed in 68000+ to see Hughie Gallagher return with Chelsea. What could the current stadium hold with partial standing? Yes I know that wouldn't fly as Health and Safety is here to coddle and protect us all from danger, even though supporters managed for decades enjoying standing shoulder to shoulder for two hours to see the Magpies play.

[@TynesideLife]

This is video #2 Keith in a series that’s looking at the possible outcomes of the recent fan survey. 👍🏻

[@wheyaye07]

I'd be against a stadium built on the moor. Ridiculous idea.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@Prinz87]

What I really want to know is when does taking down Leazes Terrace become accepted as the logical solution. Talk about exceptional, historical importance, there is only 50 years between the history of Leazes Terrace and Football at St James Park. Which would be the bigger loss to the city as a whole now? Is there a reason they couldnt just leave up the far side and take down the part closest to St James Park? I dont have a season ticket, I want one, but id rather stay in a 52,000 stadium than move.

[@Prinz87]

Dont even have to take them down, just use the stadium facing side as a hotel, make money and I assume would reduce the requirements for access to light. Allowing the stadium to come out further and go up higher?

[@TynesideLife]

I’m not sure where you’re getting this from bud? Leazes Terrace isn’t going anywhere taking it down isn’t the logical solution to those of us who understand these things. They won’t be taking down the near side either

[@garryirons7203]

1000 acres of green space keep it for the people, if the stadium is built how long before massive housing estates are built , big brown envelopes stuffed with cash will be passed around

[@TynesideLife]

What did you think of the information provided in the video?

[@user-fo9bv2mm1g]

Given the status of the Moor, I cannot see it happening.

[@TynesideLife]

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[@cannyscott]

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[@TynesideLife]

Oh I forgot to mention your birthday Scott! 😩 Happy Birthday bud 🎉

[@cannyscott]

@TynesideLife lol its ok Eddy mate! I was looking for you on Saturday but couldn't find you

[@TynesideLife]

@@cannyscott ahh I was in the Percy having some beers 👍🏻

[@Kharding745]

I want to stay at st james park

[@TynesideLife]

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[@paulchollerton]

So its the freeman that own the land that st james park sits on? The mackems always say its the council

[@TynesideLife]

It’s jointly owned

[@johnpostlethwaite6086]

Never gonna happen, been tried before, failed miserably and will continue to do so.😊

[@TynesideLife]

Would you like to explain to the viewer what happened and where? 👍🏻

[@johnpostlethwaite6086]

@TynesideLife During the John Hall years, he made moves to build a stadium on the town Moor but was turned down by the freemen of the city who manage and look after the town Moor. As far as I understand, it is not theirs to sell and there are other provisions in their charter that prevent it. I'm sure the Westwood board looked into it as well.

[@The-Ex-Golfer]

Exactly, this was tried and got knocked back, seems a lot of folks have short memories @@johnpostlethwaite6086

[@Tom-jg2ss]

Slipperly slope, at the end of the day the club can try and spin it as growth, and redevelopment but it's just about commercial financial gain. Bigger stadium = bigger revenue and profits and adds to the value of the club, ensuring a healthy profit if the Saudis sell up in the future.

[@TynesideLife]

Who do you support?

[@ashingtonjet]

The Toon Mooah

[@michaelculyer3110]

Last thing Newcastle needs is another football stadium

[@TynesideLife]

There’d only be one stadium if there was a relocation.

[@ChrisInToon]

Sorry not on that piece of moor. I think what could be done is the piece of Moor just by Leazes Park, also NUFC could buy the old Uni accommodation block. Declaring an interest I live right there next to where Hopping's are held every year, tooo close. Theory of Man Made Climate Change is silly, obviously habitat is important and Freemen do ok, could do better. Come on you make out like our Bovine friends are dangerous creatures like a crocodile, I go across the Town Moor all the time and the Cows only down side is Pats on the path but other than they are a Totemic feature in my life, maybe you have a fear energy that spooks Cows, walk through they are very chilled out beasts as they are very familiar with all different types of humans regularly passing through, I have never heard of anyone being maimed by a Cow.

[@TynesideLife]

3-4000 people are injured every year by cows. 30 have been killed in the just four years and its increasing. That’s according to the UK HSE. They are concerned at the rise. Too right I have a fear. I can speak from experience and they can clearly be unpredictable. This video is one in a series looking at areas of land around Newcastle in light of the recent fan survey. I mention Castle Leazes in the previous one and I’m going a whole video on it very soon Thanks for watching 👍🏻

[@bugsthompson]

100% against this. I dont want that land eaten up by developer's for our selfish viewing pleasure 😢 saint james can be inproved. No need to move!

[@TynesideLife]

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[@conradrichards3363]

Mercedes USa 2.o incoming

[@alien4422]

🐄🐄🐄🐄 Moo!

[@TynesideLife]

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[@michaelairley2015]

Put some trees, bushes, nature there instead. Don't ruin it with a stadium.

[@TynesideLife]

You can always tell when someone hasn’t watched the video 😅

[@michaelairley2015]

@@TynesideLife I watched it.

[@TynesideLife]

@@michaelairley2015 I discuss in the video about the biodiversity work going on in the video, including the planting of trees, bushes etc. sorry, your comment suggested an idea that hadn’t been thought of. Thanks for watching 👍🏻

[@michaelairley2015]

@@TynesideLife It was more a statement. I was going to write more. But I'm at work and they beat me if I don't meet my deadlines.

[@TynesideLife]

@@michaelairley2015 😂 get back to work

[@ian_r125]

A nice big shiny stadium full of tourists. RIP our club

[@TynesideLife]

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[@audreyhall8644]

Town moor is a non starter. Leazes park is a possible IMO.

[@TynesideLife]

I agree about the Town Moor but There definitely won’t be a stadium built purely on Leazes Park.

[@captainohcaptain9588]

Temporary stadium then flog it to the falcons or the womens team

[@TynesideLife]

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[@bobatwell7505]

Love Newcastle Utd , but for heavens sake leave the town moor alone . Your maybe assuming United will be a leading club in the Premier league , if they go through a bad patch their support will dwindle maybe therefore state of the art stadium will be a white elephant..just my take on it..

[@TynesideLife]

Hi Bob, could I ask you to watch video # 1 please as you’ve taken this video out of context 👍🏻

[@michaels09]

Absolute waste of good land right next to the city

[@TynesideLife]

What is your view on the the many land uses discussed in the video?

[@zulu3621]

No

[@TynesideLife]

I’d love to hear you elaborate on this based on the history and complexities of the land 👍🏻

[@Sandhoeflyerhome]

Its not the town Mooah... Sub titles please

[@TynesideLife]

You’re watching a Geordie channel mate 🤷🏻‍♂️😅

[@Sandhoeflyerhome]

I know , and I am Geordie winding you up .. as we do .. ha ha ... Nice to hear such a broad accent occasionally, Happy Christmas !@@TynesideLife

[@TynesideLife]

@@Sandhoeflyerhome 👊🏻👍🏻

[@craig1278]

Excellent video pal. I hadn’t really considered that land an option but after what you have said it totally makes sense. One thing that I don’t understand is who are the Freeman and how do they get that title/position? However if they give up some of that land it will one million percent benefit the city massively, especially if that is what their objective is. Whenever in the past or future has this level of investment potentially been available? Keep up with the amazing work wor kid 🖤🤍

[@TynesideLife]

Cheers Craig. I’ll be releasing a video on the Freemen next month 👍🏻

[@garyley4270]

Fantastic video Eddy, your channel is top quality, very informative.

[@TynesideLife]

Thank you Gary 👊🏻👍🏻