The Fundamental Mistake of Mankind - UG Krishnamurti

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[@goodearth5584]

Honestly, among all the religious teachers & teachings from dawn of civilization to date, UG is the first person who has given new perspective to life, a new way of looking at life; this is my impression & by this I don't mean any disrespect to any Religion or any spiritual teachings.

[@kayokk-]

You don't and I agree with you. UG is unique.

[@goodearth5584]

@TREX LEX Absolutely ; without thought we are pure consciousness ; thought comes out in response to stimulus or objects from out side ; thought is a reaction in relation to something external, in other words we can only react and never proact !

[@goodearth5584]

@TREX LEX Dear friend Just a clarification if you will ; objects plus conciouness is thought. Thought minus objects is Consciousness ; please reflect on this !

[@vaninagesh9092]

What UG has said is no different from JK but the way he presented the phylosophy has affected many. You will stop the way you are thinking. That's the huge change. JKs teaching is like listening to a nice music and you need to listen again and again but you will never become a good musician like JK.

[@manjunathr6902]

👍👍👍👍 absolutely his answers are the end questions and searching.

[@vidalskyociosen3326]

UG is the atomic bomb of spirituality. Don't mess with that or you'll be shattered to pieces.

[@jonber9411]

G*y

[@shivahoo]

U.G hits the nail hard ..If you listen to this carefully you are finished and absolved.

[@shivahoo]

if say yes or no then I may or may not be absolved

[@dragonskinavi]

+ShivaPrasad Ariga Yo!

[@mywonderjam]

Why are you barking?

[@AXharoth]

yet you are not rdy to akxsept ... xD

[@AXharoth]

uuuh

[@shehroonkhanz]

what a great man. bravooooooooooo he can speak truth.

[@mrl9073]

no philosophy is perfect than this ug statements and hats up for his extraordinary genius from indian telugite

[@tychecoffee4720]

You still tried to fit him into the Indian telguite situation despite listening to him.. sad

[@svc2461]

@@tychecoffee4720 Saddening..

[@shauryamahajan6844]

Ug says even his thoughts are not his own. And you're identifying UG himself as your own 😔

[@krkrishnan2683]

99.999 % of world population cannot understand UG . The rejection of all world philosophies and religion by UG is revolutionary. My so called spiritual experiences is same as UG in terms of understanding the essence of life . My initial reaction to my spiritual experiences is that it had kept me out from God and Rebirth. My mind was relieved . But small doubt persisted for 4-5 months - read Buddhist philosophy - which didn't clear my doubts as its diversified branches is similar to Hindu thought. Thanks UG . You had lot trouble in convincing others . But for me your one video was enough. Some your videos , we can see agresion - but it is to emphasis point . In future this is going to be the philosophy of the world .

[@boblittleford515]

all philosophy all theories all conclusions all beliefs all opinions all thoughts lead to despair.

[@AXharoth]

no , despair is a tendency of some people

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

@@AXharoth Take them to their end and they do. Most people don't go to the end. Unless you have lies and delusions about the afterlife. Then you can take that shortcut.

[@AXharoth]

@@daithiocinnsealach1982 BS! UG wasnt in desppair , thats proof that youre wrong

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

@@AXharoth Then you have to go beyond them. Beyond the concepts that can never answer our questions. I never said UG was in despair anyway.

[@ferdinandalexander8053]

You as you know and experience yourself are nothing more than an illusion within an illusion. If there was some sort of awakening you would have no way of knowing because that "you" would no longer be there. So no one ever wakes up.

[@mohicanmowl]

Because there is nothing to wake up from. This is all we have, why we keep pretending this life is some fancy stuff? This is it, very simple, no particular meaning except creating beliefs after beliefs.

[@ElmersWorld]

k, bro...

[@thesage90]

We're just like fish in water

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

But there would be memory. Therefore I don't think he is quite saying that. My take, and here we go, is that he is really saying nothing at all. You have one experience. I have another. That's all we can really say. I've had incredible dreams that came true. Heard voices that led me to incredible situations. But all for what? From where? For what purpose? I well and truly cannot say. And when I tell others of these experiences they seem uninterested most of the time. So I think about his "calamity". We really have no idea what happened. He can't even really explain it himself. Like with my dreams. I don't think I did anything to have them. They just happened. But they don't prove anything. I thought they did, but I see now I was deluded. Reading into them more than was warranted. And I think UG ended up feeling similarly.

[@2160Studio]

U.G me abrió los ojos a la verdadera fuente de la vida, y lo inútil que es perseguir la sombra de alguien o algo mas, de lo que ya somos ❤

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

The interviewer is asking great questions.

[@lourdesgarcia6152]

This is so true😍😍😍 he is really the only one who really "got it" and nailed it!!!"❤

[@gordonmitchell729]

Gosh, can't argue with that! 'We think therefore we' have created havoc!

[@Mojito99]

Straight Fire. Complete wisdom to the point where he did not care about higher states or samadhi blah blah.

[@muhammadakram3373]

Amazing,the reality is totally different than what the traditional teachers have been expounding day in and day out in their Ashrams

[@ubuntuber1619]

He looks likes a lead guitarist of some 60s band.

[@blackarrow9072]

Probably an old hippie.

[@yungblade7]

🔥🔥

[@boblittleford515]

what a relief finally

[@guichard8109]

Pure genius

[@boblittleford515]

i only suffer when i think that is my experience.

[@marcpelletier1366]

What makes you call it suffering?

[@null.och.nix7743]

me too haha :p

[@sayerslayer1854]

@@marcpelletier1366 the knowledge duh!

[@kayokk-]

UG the ultimate catalyst..

[@lifechoices6643]

U.G had the famed 'calamity' experience subsequent to which he was transformed.Yet he himself admitted that he doesn't know how this experience happened.So humanity is left bereft of the methodology of generating such an experience.So we have no option but to rely on teachers who claim to reveal steps towards transformation

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

"I don't mean I am questioning the existence of God. I am not impressed by the theologians discussing everlastingly, trying to impress upon us through their dialectical thinking, their cosmological, ontological, teleological arguments for the existence of God. I am not concerned with that at all."

[@Annamaria1943]

Thank you dear Jay Krish.

[@aksharma4304]

UG, don't blame the Thoughts only. Blame the Consciousness, if to blame. Thoughts are also the part of unitary proocess of Consciousness, my dear UG. You know also well. Happy Thoughts....

[@joseolivs7069]

If you like UG, I highly recommend Clint Richardson. Clint Richardson's Wagging The Dog Documentary is a must watch.

[@sharmilapenmetsa7249]

UG reached the total negation it is a total blast

[@aryankakkar8769]

living vedanta

[@BPSchauhan]

MIND created all kinds of misery. GOD is the single word which created so much discrimination in society.

[@boblittleford515]

fear of death is fear of loosing my accumulated knowledge and memory

[@AXharoth]

but memory is shitty anyway you lose it even before death ; do you remember everything that ever happened to you?

[@ElmersWorld]

shut up bob, you don't even know how to fucking spell

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

And the hope of future pleasure.

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

@@ElmersWorld Shut up Elmer, you don't even know how to be fucking respectful.

[@onlytoday1552]

DON'T CONTAMINATE YOUR WORTHLESSNESS.

[@zatoichiable]

Mistakes are fundamental in ones social evolution.

[@mohanlalrampersad490]

If you were around today you would have heard another term for spirituality, realization, enlightenment is INNER ENGINEERING.

[@parmardipak6099]

Ug is like modern aghori

[@azadyash]

Spread this please ☀️

[@JupiterMoonTune]

Yes unlocks a door. The mind stops questioning or loses interest in what is already seen or known. If you do it properly ;-)

[@JupiterMoonTune]

***** It does not but the observer of the mind notices/realises that it is just phenomena like the weather and moves from the clearer perspective prethought. Thinking reduces much!!!! Lesser time spent in what is not happening.

[@JupiterMoonTune]

***** Thinking does carry on. It does what it has evolved to do. Symbols and concepts are just that. The internal dialogue is habit nothing more. Awareness is not a thought.

[@abhiramconstructions1666]

great insight..

[@Dogquack]

without the dream state there is nothing

[@koul09876]

I am hungry,,I have no food,,,I am in dream state!!! everything or nothing

[@sayerslayer1854]

Very interesting statement Dog

[@santelang]

He condemn Jesus, Buddha and other saints. But his motive should be understood by me as belows. J krishnamurti and Ug both were liberated beings no doubt about it. It's the JK who started his philosophy of truth as pathless land. And why he started is very interesting. After he liberated, he thinks, all the hovocs around the world by claimant of saint or saviour or false gurus, who started deluding people's with their intention is personal gain. These guru started sanyasa by outward robes, yogi who immersed in meditation and told the other people without realizing the truth of liberation. J krishmurti got very angry and taken a sword against them. That's why his teaching he said no teacher, no authority. But he does believe in sharing with others to cross over. But while saying truth is pathless land, his saying also a kind of path. So ultimately path is there and is bound to be there for bound men to get free. One cannot deny that. UG walking into the step of J Krishnamuryi stepped further, to disregard the path and truth altogether. But at least he was honest saying that he brought into natural state by some unknown lightening of wisdom. Verily although denying the path and truth he called in unknown striking and natural state. That natural state is freedom from suffering and the path is of virtue and wisdom. Buddha called it Eightfold path or path of purity and Jesus called it faith towards the Father in heaven which is rightousness.They are the true leaders of the masses. But I don't hate UG and JK as both were liberated beings, has motive to free people from blind gurus, from soul, from their so called God. One can say they are actually told the wisdom. Because wisdom is like it no soul, no I, no God. Both are now freed and now it's our responsibility to free ourselves.

[@yokeboonfong4565]

Buddha means fully awake. He not only see the emptiness of things. He not only see that past, present and future cannot be separated. He also see the 4 Noble Truth at play, and understand that he is already out from the cycle of samsara. UG also out from this cycle but thrown out without knowing the 4 Noble Truth at play. So UG is just awake, not fully yet.

[@farrider3339]

@Sandeep Telang : Setting up rules and guideline for *right conduct* is creating the failed ones ( write-offs ). Setting up laws is creating thieves and gangsters. Jesus talking his words makes him responsible for the sepeartion among men , women and children. Tribes and Nations all waving their flags maintaining Right on their side . Institutionalizing mans most intimate and "private" relation to the world is *THE WORST* that ever could have happen.•°

[@santelang]

@Nathulal Dubey : Quite so. I use liberated beings synonym to the free men. As far as UG's case, 'He didn't know what he lands onto!'. He once said, 'In that vision something is aware of something else'. What a fool if the truth is being stands before your eyes, you see it not. He says, it is unknowable. But, the Buddha's and many saints says, close your eye on that place and see the real. They know truth as it is. The 4 noble truth. What stooped you when truth appears before the man he see it not? Ego. See the case of Ug.

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

More opinions about the past.

[@sayerslayer1854]

77 comments... Everyone here is a philosophy just words words words

[@pranabgemini]

Hahahahahah

[@lodalasan7618]

And words

[@adx5293]

He wanted bang for the buck, and I think he got it 😂

[@aksharma4304]

Happy Thoughts....

[@mattnorman4292]

On Fucking Point! Done!

[@VenusLover17]

Great

[@kellymcdonough4609]

There is no spoon

[@farrider3339]

kelly mcdonough : *You hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability. It is the sound of your death. Goodbye, Mr. Anderson* 🌬️🕉️🎆

[@10HW]

there are chopsticks though

[@ferdinandalexander8053]

Mankind made no mistake. What we call human thinking has gone off the rails due to a genetic mutation that resulted in a neurological disorder. The consequences are seen in the kind of world we have today.

[@sayerslayer1854]

I liked your first comment much better Xander

[@slavomirakrasna2111]

Spot on. In my case it was a neurological disaster🖤

[@schmolywar]

Then what ISNT a neurological disorder? Do we even know what that is? See what I did there?

[@slavomirakrasna2111]

Yes I do. You asked whether my comment does exist, instead of reading its content🙄

[@schmolywar]

@@slavomirakrasna2111 If every human has a neurological disorder, then what is normal? ;-)

[@xdfckt2564]

I wish there was an fMRI to measure all this.. Just for posttttttteritae

[@farrider3339]

Tink 💭 is Logic - aLL the time .•°

[@alainmaitre2069]

Ok

[@farrider3339]

@@alainmaitre2069 : yeP - muchO oK 👌. "This is the instrument 🎸🎺🎹🎻🎷 you're using and there is nO other instrument 🚫🎷🎺🎸🎹🎻🚫" (☝️ooG)

[@nickharrison3748]

the closest to UG today is Eckhart Tolle..his 'power of now'

[@raghurachamalla2075]

🙏

[@slavomirakrasna2111]

02.08.2020 Fascism is on its rise again, despite/due our knowledge of the history. Yet it won’t prevail. The Nature is a confirmation of the mentioned. For the thought is dead. Yet Love, even though with her eyes shut, keeps still breathing, dreaming the world of no limits...

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

You are an animal.

[@celestialteapot3310]

Dawin said precisely the opposite

[@arjavjain25]

Looney tunes and merry melodies

[@santelang]

He is saying the truth. Everything is in flux. Like a mixer grinder. one can't call it me, my thoughts. He is saying the same thing what Buddha said, no-self. Everything in flux. Eternal self is latter addition by Hinduism to attack Buddhism to delude people and created Upanishada, purana, the bhagvatgita, manusmrit. Adisankara was a bastard. Hail to UG. Also Jesus a retarded individual who deluded by deluding himself in father of heaven.The God, soul, permanence is utter illusion. Its no I here which you call it yours. Perhaps UG don't know that Buddha never said the eternal self or such entity exist and also rejected God. If he know it, then his statement and those of Buddha's are similar

[@pranavm.d457]

Dude, Shankara is not a bastard.. Understand Shankara intriguing logic everything will be known

[@aksharma4304]

You are talking only philosophical. You are talking like a Buddhist only. You have no experience of No Self or Nothingness or Nirvana or Void or the Clarity of mind. Without the experience of inexperienced reality all the talks of inferring the one religion and superioring the Buddha is useless. Experience the truth by the grace of Truth or by Chance and be Happy like UG with Happy Thoughts....

[@aksharma4304]

@@pranavm.d457 Shankara, UG and even Buddha's talk about oneness only at the core. No Self of Buddha, (as per my information and knowledge) is actually NONDUAL Self... Happy Thoughts...

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

Hard to know what Buddha really said. You have definite dates for his genuine writings?

[@concars1234]

I cringe when he talks about Darwinism tbh

[@daithiocinnsealach1982]

Why?

[@understandingyourself]

From 23:18 is really revelatory.

[@gordonmitchell729]

Gosh, can't argue with that! 'We think therefore we' have created havoc!

[@robinpayneguitar]

+Gordon Mitchell I think therefore I'm fucked.

[@gordonmitchell729]

Not really. Thinking is ego. When you are busy thinking, you miss the fact that you are! When you are not thinking, you can be! Now is all there is. No past, no future, just now! Now is all there is...

[@robinpayneguitar]

Gordon Mitchell "Now" isn't a thought? If you don't think, are you there? That was UG's response to Descartes' infamous axiom. And it's a question worth meditating on. If there is no thought then there is no experience. Therefore one cannot experience the "now" without the ego, assuming ego and thought are synonymous as you suggested. If there is an experience then there is ego there. There is an experiencer. You are telling me to exist in something without experiencing it. Temporarily disregarding the fact that the "something" in question (the now) is itself just a thought, how do I do that? More importantly why would I? To stop thinking altogether is to cease to be. Woosh, the fire blows out. Nothing. No mind. Not an experience of no mind, there can be no such thing. It's a lie. "When you are busy thinking, you miss the fact that you are" The fact that you are can be translated to the knowledge that you are, which can be translated to the THOUGHT that you are, which is what being is. It is thought. So if ego and thought are synonymous, then ego and being are synonymous. Being implies non-being just as self implies other.

[@gordonmitchell729]

When you are not aware of the 'thinking', awareness of the 'now' becomes reality, and although not a thought, you are! You don't cease to be. You transcend into awareness of self. The inner self, the source of self, and the oneness of the self is all that there is. That oneness is with the whole that there is. If you say 'I think therefore I am' you are saying that without thought you can not be. But if you say (as I did) that 'I am therefore I think', you are then awareness 'all that there is' and the mind 'ego', the wanting thoughts, the striving thoughts, the 'I am happy or unhappy' thoughts that fill our minds, hide the 'now' from you, and you then rely on whatever you think to function. If you are aware of the 'now' you are! and therefore can chose to think, and be as awake to all that exists, the now! There is is no time. All is now. Time is an ego invention, that allows for control by those who benefit from it.

[@robinpayneguitar]

Gordon Mitchell You're still promoting an experience, while at the same time demonizing the experiential structure (mind) by equating it with ego. How can there be awareness without thought? Awareness is an experience. There is no such thing as thoughtless experience. The thought of the experiencer must be present. Do this, don't do that, be aware of this, lose your awareness of that...and you will transcend into a higher state of awareness....big deal! The desire to evolve spiritually is a rejection of your current state of being! Even the desire for peace of mind precludes your mind from being at peace in this moment, because it defines your current state as being not at peace. I can't stand it when people refer to the fundamental "self" as such. Higher self, inner self, divine self....that is simply and blatantly a projection of egoic attributes onto the pure thoughtless life force that flows through all of us. "You", that is, the thinker/experiencer, do not beat your heart, and to refer to the force that does as your true "self" is an egoic perversion of a divine phenomenon. There's nothing "selfish" about the fundamental energetic essence of life. UG sometimes insists that no such essence exists. He is playing with words. This light that I am speaking of is real, and you can see it during meditation. It is the soul, and it is all one. Sole soul. Both of these words are derived from the latin "sol" meaning light. Fundamentally all is one, it's true, but this oneness cannot experience (or be aware of) itself, because it is thoughtless and timeless. This is not to say you can't have an earth-shattering experience of boundary dissolution in which you feel your implicit connection to everything, but this is still a thought-induced experience. It's beautiful, but as it comes so does it go. And the higher you get, the harder you fall. You may as well take LSD and save yourself all the hassle if that's all you're after. All these stories of holy men do nothing but piss me off. If there are yogis who have achieved states of perpetual orgasm, or acquired the power to materialize things out of thin air (such as Sai Baba shooting flowers out of his palms into the crowd), then why aren't these benevolent sorcerers conjuring up plates of food for the thousands of starving children in the third world country they're living in? A spiritual state that involves perpetual sexual orgasm? Are you f*cking kidding me? How SELF indulgent can it get? UG has a chip on his shoulder for good reason.