The FUTURE of PLUGINS?

[@Sven.Jeschke]

I bought it straight away this morning after trying the demo version for just 2 minutes. The ARA integration is something I've always wanted for Sonible plugins, because analysing a whole track will certainly produce better and more appropriate results than just an eight-second snippet of it. Their other plugins like pure:comp and pure:eq would certainly benefit from making use of ARA, too.

[@Harrysound]

for complex material yes but I would have thought 8 seconds (or any other amount of time you specify) would be enough for a single bass, guitar, synth portion etc.... I don't want Senile plugins to do everything for me I just want them to straighten the edges and round the corners so I can then build from that....

[@FoliaSound]

It's absolutely possible to make it all real-time and good sounding. I did the equivalent using this chain: Clarity VX, Acon Deverberate, Nuendo de-esser, SmartEQ4, Melda MAudioVolume, Pro-C2. It didn't kill my CPU, it sounded better that prime:vocal. Latest Sonible's AI denoising is eating up some speech context like breathing, laughter, it's also artifacting. Their dereverb is leaving significant tails. I checked it all out and put in my own vid. I still love Sonible people and wish the the best, I hope the can fix this tool to make it really great. Cheers!

[@jocke1972]

That’s not the point though. The reason to buy tools is often improved workflow, ease of use and consolidation of tools etc. You can probably replace 80% of plugins with a versatile eq, compressor and saturator

[@anteshell]

I mean, you can do that all infinitely better sounding by just calculating fourier transforms, but would you consider that workflow to be better, faster and more efficient? I highly doubt that. The main purpose for this kind of toolbox plugins is to make the process more efficient; getting to X-level of quality faster and easier. Getting there with this is absolutely a better choice than doing it with a graphing calculator and sine-wave oscillators even though the quality is limited unlike with fourier transforms. And the same can be argued about your specific plugin chain.

[@ruminantrecords]

Yeah that was a really good vid to see it fall apart on more field recording type of program material. The chain you used in realtime was very impressive. I think I'd argue that I want all the breathing etc gone. But it did freak out on your big sigh!

[@Windiguana]

​@@jocke1972I fail to see how a plugin chain isn't easy to use though. You can still have all the controls visible at once (at least most folks have high enough resolution monitors to do so) and once you get your chain all setup you just save it in your DAW so you can recall it all automatically for the next time you need to use it. A real workflow improvement (at least in my opinion) is what pro q4 (and a few others) did with being able to display multiple instances at once and even being able to see collisions in the spectrum. Whatever improvement this has is negated by the fact I would have to break my workflow in the DAW and export/import my audio to process it with this thing... how is that efficient? Plus people who use this kind of stuff, like folks who edit video can't use it as a standard VST3 in their video editing software either. I guess I just don't understand the point of this software or workflow improvements here.

[@ruminantrecords]

CLeaned up a female lead vocal condesner recording in my garden studio, that had some background noise but fairly dry room. Did a great job on the noise removal and compressed better than I could have dialled in. The killer feature for me though was all the lip smacking, sibiliance and plosives were gone in one click without dulling the vocal or artefacting. That's going to save hours and hours and hours of hand editing. Definitely will pay for itself in terms of time saved quite quickly and will get used. Very happy.

[@rickbarnett6061]

i was looking for a reliable , competent review for this , and yours is trusted and very appreciated.

[@thorstenbolze9386]

Thanks!

[@The_Doc_Rocks]

Just FYI - ARA does not work natively in Logic Pro on M-series Macs. It has been broken for quite some time, and there is no sign that Apple have any plans to fix it. Just to clarify - ARA and Logic work fine on Intel Macs, or on M-series Macs but in Rosetta mode, but not in native mode. This is a great PITA for those of us who use things like Melodyne, for example.

[@cutupmusic]

Yeah, ARA is going the same way ReWire did. No development and after a period of no functionality there will be some new technology replacing it.

[@lukas.petermann]

Okay... its time now... im going to be a Member! The thing with Sonible's prime:vocal is... Yesterday, I was as excited for today as a little kid on Christmas Eve because I was so hyped about this plugin. I often work with vocal tracks that weren’t recorded in completely dry environments. So, I was really curious about the Room Reduction feature, and it didn’t disappoint me. Sure, nothing beats properly recorded vocals from the start, but with a bit of fine-tuning, you can achieve really good results here, which can also be compressed and further processed very effectively.

[@VentureNW]

I hope they continue to improve on this one. I just don't think it's there yet, in this version. Love Sonible and use a lot of their stuff.

[@phadrus]

Yipes, it’s expensive, even on sale. Do we need this plugin? I feel like we already have these tools in other plugins.

[@vukan.mp3]

yea no point to clutter your daw and workflow with redundant plugins. if u have tools that do what prime:vocal does and you're more familiar with them there's basically no point. imo

[@Windiguana]

Yeah we absolutely do have other plugins to do all this same stuff already

[@dominicbout]

Love the visual feedback it gives on dynamics and plosives. That also shows the sheer processing-speed of this plugin. Cool!

[@ilziojimmy]

Presonus Studio One Mastering page does actually show you updated LUFS, correlation etc for the whole track

[@TLMuse]

Kind of impressive how quickly the display updates the waveform display for the *entire clip* as you adjust the dynamics controls. Seems like some pretty clever algorithm optimization was done for this (or maybe just approximation, purely for the display). Maybe part of the import time is doing some kind of pre-calculation of a range of settings. -Tom

[@jamesbennettmusic2154]

Super cool plugin, lovely job with the overview

[@DSWL_]

i love the fact Fabfilter didn't put AI in Pro-Q 4

[@mintyswirljoy]

But yeah, they should have.

[@5ammy13]

It did put AI... Artist Intelligence 😂

[@KennyGuyte]

Yes I hope they remain that way. However, they do have AI embedded into their algorithm if you understand AI and coding you would notice.

[@mintyswirljoy]

@@KennyGuyte Algorithms are NOT AI!

[@huilustudio]

I agree!

[@MFKitten]

I recognize the spectral balance profilea from Smart:EQ for sure. Vocal high and low are two different flavors.

[@pyreneanandy]

I'd love that to get rid of some of the honky cloudy verbs in a lot of the samples I use. Dry vocals are not always available. I've got RX10, I look at it, it looks at me and then we go our separate ways!

[@klinke2789]

AFAIK there is one important limitations for ARA-plugins: There can be one per track (and this must be the first plugin of the track). Which makes sense, as an ARA-plugin access the content of the audio-file. So there is no way to use e.g. Melodyne and prime:vocal at the same track (without rendering). And it would be not a good idea to create ARA plugins only because you can do it.

[@fcmas]

Melodyne can be used as a non-ARA plugin

[@pvalenti]

And thinking along those lines, you could just run Melodyne first, then move this plugin to the first spot and run it/let ARA run and do it's thing.

[@klinke2789]

@@fcmas But transfering the Audio via Playback/Recording in Melodyne is not really a useful workflow.

[@klinke2789]

@@pvalenti I can not test this in the moment, but I do not think that this will work. How should Melodyne react on the changes done in prime:vocal then? On my system i can not even insert Melodyne on another position then the first slot.

[@maailmanalku]

I think all the worlds streamers would go nuts about it if you could run it realtime inside OBS - but now you can't use it in Davinci Resolve or OBS. I still got it for my home studio - will be a game changer for vocals, especially with the room reduction and spectral balancing - but I wish there will be a live solution at some point. Even if you had lets say a 1second latency it would still be great if you could insert it into video production somehow. The fact that it runs only in ARA and takes ages to process the audio does suggest though that there is genuine AI at work, because the algorithm needs to process the entire signal to make decisions.

[@Bastanien]

You think streamers would go nuts over being able to do something that's already possible with available plugins? The vast majority of streamers aren't even monitoring their own audio for clipping.

[@Windiguana]

There are live solutions just not from sonible

[@deckling823]

I know the fight between Mac and PC. But my PC didn't struggle at all. Even with large files. I could jump from different sections in the file. And all smoothly. Just saying... This is why I don't rely much on macs with audio stuff. I have a laptop with Intel Ultra 9 185H. The CPU was at 60% while analyzing the file and even when analyzing I could still play the analyzed parts and edit and it was really fast and smooth.

[@TheKule1]

ARA has been around for awhile, it's at version 2. Steinberg was the first to adapt that technology in their Daws. Yes correct, I don't understand why other developers are not using it.

[@The_Doc_Rocks]

ARA works just fine in DAWs like PreSonus Studio One, Cubase, etc, but NOT in Logic Pro when running in native mode on M-series Macs. ARA works on Intel Macs (now obsolete) and on M-series Macs if using Rosetta mode (which many don't want to do), but ARA in Logic Pro has been broken for quite some time now, and Apple have shown no signs of fixing it.

[@jameswhitaker4357]

@@The_Doc_RocksI was just researching this!.. yup.

[@Cefshah]

Good review!! I agree with your summary of this plugin. 🙂

[@Wizardofvoz2]

I love the Sonible stuff. I will be getting this one, too.

[@nagual2335]

Wytse some of us here are passionate about audio mixing for video, so if you would consider testing some of these plugins on a dialogue as well that’ll be great. 🙌

[@Windiguana]

You are using Reaper, you absolutely can calculate the LUFS of whatever you want instantly using SWS Extensions.

[@Windiguana]

Not to mention just use the dry run feature in the render window and you'll see a whole graph with LUFS and everything mapped out for you.

[@davidord2934]

If you want to know how good this is - put the final mix through it! who needs other vocal separators.

[@xrabbz2010]

why am I just learning about this. amazing.

[@FrancoAmorto]

it's now time to switch to the new M4 Pro Mac Mini my friend ! (and don't forget to put the "automatic mode" ON in energy param !)

[@Kepa_pl_music]

That ARA integration is really great. If it was present in more plugins, You could create things not possible today, or possible, but fuckingly long to do with normal automation

[@kennyparker8644]

What different between this and waves clarity?

[@docdistortion]

I wounder why they didnt do a breath control into that tool. very intressting plugin

[@paulgilbody]

Wytse - Reaper 7.28 - View / Peaks Display Settings / Display Mode - choose LUFS-S graph Also RX waveform stats - no render needed...

[@fight_the_dawn]

I will definitely get this cause I love their plugins, but I'm once again asking for breath control on these types of plugins as well

[@gietube]

How about cleaning up a live vocal with lot’s of cymbal spill etc?

[@snubdawg1386]

i know there are plugins for de-ess, de-plosiv, and removing mouth noises but is there a plugin that does de-whistle on vocals?

[@GTSongwriter]

Can it clean up a vocal that has been striped from a master that I produced and own via Acon Digital Acoustica Remix? Cause there's some artifacts I would love it too remove. iZotope RX Rebalance sucks compared to Acon Digital Acoustica Remix!

[@MFKitten]

I looooove ARA. Vocalign getting ARA was huge too.

[@mayzter8765]

And, I can't wait for this one.

[@ErreGamer]

2:07 Smart deeeeeeez... nuts! 😂

[@KreativeDevices]

Straight 🔥!

[@Rhuggins]

Check out the GML plugins! Massenburg design works DRC (compressor)! Its insane, and very unique. And Arturia just made a J37 tape emulation that apparently has a glowing testimonial from Michael Beinhorn

[@lateanonymous474]

what's the difference between this and RX? what would be worth the buck for someone owning izotope rx with the same features?

[@mayzter8765]

My mixes have been much much better since I used their Balance plugin. Not perfect, but way better than muy second guessing. And their limiter is top-notch. Sonible is top tier.

[@N8_Bit_official]

Unfortunately it doesn't work as a plug-in in my main DAWs, so I'd have to record a vocal, open it in stand-alone, adjust with no context, export it, import it back into my project to audition it, take notes, go back to the stand alone, refine the processing, export again, import to the project again, and hope that it works in context and that future mixing decisions will not change the context, this requiring the whole dance again. I have the trial and it's really good, but that workflow for in-daw achievable result is a hard pass for the price for the likes of me. Doh!

[@JustinNathanielAdams]

Do you still have a Patreon page? Or did you switch to just doing KZbin Membership?

[@manojfernand]

Ara not working. With cubase 12.😮give me a solution if you know something about that

[@deckling823]

Where can I buy that hoodie?

[@andres77fj]

I love sonible but this one is not needed. Melodyne can't be toped for mix purposes.

[@andres77fj]

Complemented with RX 11 :p

[@shoaibmateen]

Can it remove car noises and all surrounding voice? Cuz i stay in urban City of India unfortunately. Please answer me 😭

[@stink-a-lynx6571]

needed someone to shout their review at me so i came here

[@FnFFoxFace]

Have you seen the news about RME Digicheck?

[@RealHomeRecording]

what about it?

[@FnFFoxFace]

@@RealHomeRecording It's neat that a reliable company continues to release tools for their users?

[@RealHomeRecording]

@@FnFFoxFace cool... I thought rme did something bad and was concerned!

[@BartekEVH]

Do you know if it will also be in aax format?

[@redbigapplefloppa302]

I don't know sry

[@redbigapplefloppa302]

I can't help you with this

[@TimTheTomato]

Don’t think so

[@ThomasHeien]

I really don't know bro

[@DanLiveOnUTube]

Saw a side by side comparison against Hush, prime vocal was so bad it was unthinkable.

[@pigknickers2975]

Knew I shouldn't have bought the UAD CSuite 2 years ago.

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

I would really like to see a non ARA version of the plugin. For one, some DAWs don't support ARA so they are cutting off a big part of the market. For example, I have to run Logic in Rosetta to use ARA and that's not something I ever really do, for many reasons. I would be fine waiting for the audio to "record" into the plugin, like Melodyne. Secondly, I don't think this product was quite ready for market. It works well on some material but not all. I downloaded the demo and 2 of the sources I tried it on it did not do a very a good job. Waves Clarity line and RX did a better job in both instances. I totally applaud the idea and really hope the plugin gets improved and a non ARA version added but for now, I'm going to pass. I love Sonible! I own and regularly use almost ever plugin they make (besides the simple "one knob" ones). So I'm not a hater. I just don't think it's ready for the professional market yet.

[@eMotionFlowing]

Have this plugin latency on live streaming?

[@amusik7]

It doesn't in real time because it's ARA plugin (not supported by OBS)

[@eMotionFlowing]

@ Thanks - I’m trying it out...I’m using it in Audio Hijack or Caster by Gingeraudio

[@slash196]

Interesting concept but Ableton still doesn't have Ara and this still has that "sonible sound" which I don't vibe with at all.

[@therearenoruleshere]

Yeah it sounds bad

[@williamfletcher5760]

merry Christmas all

[@bartgroot3672]

Finally someone makes the (correct) comparison to RX.. and let's be honost; this is not a threat in ANY way to RX..

[@Alan.Musical.Freak.Show.]

Wavelab Pro can calculate the entire LUFS with and without processing 🙃

[@fireblood9]

now i can record my vox from my untreated room

[@Sputz3]

It’s plugins that do that already.

[@Duskydog419]

Wa productions vocal shaper is really good as well BUT you only get 3 activations wit wa plugins but they are still sooo good

[@ewanbristow]

You should cover plugdata

[@Lychegsye-nc6td]

rx is stupid for not jumpin on ARA. i mean they slept on ARA for foo long.

[@Rasenschneider]

Rx was using ara for the stem splitter plugin

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

Some RX modules do use ARA but not all of them. Agreed it would be smart but you can transfer the audio from your DAW to the standalone app with one click. So no need for ARA in that case.

[@who_is_dis]

Anyone compared it to C Suite?

[@Taco67_99Fender]

They keep making them, I don’t need ‘em

[@jrettetsohyt1]

Do other plug-in companies simply lack the skills and/or imagination and/or courage? Try your best!

[@this_is_jmdub]

Interesting! I would love if people just made better recordings… Does it support ARA?

[@this_is_jmdub]

Nevermind

[@HiLoMusic]

I was JUST looking for a plugin like this 😂

[@1masterfader]

Now if they had a tuner with it it would blow other plugins out.

[@Azfurita]

119$ intro price - 179 after

[@garbaggo6353]

Very expensive... but looks fun. Can only hope some generous matey has this in their sights! Yargh.

[@fcmas]

Ive seen several real-world stress test, and Pure Vocal fails badly against others competitors. I really wanted to like this, but the excitement just isnt there

[@lofimat3856]

The future uf Pluginzz is NO Plugginnz. We will talk about this in 2 Yearzs or so!

[@frequency_sequencer]

this is for voice talents not engineers

[@LasCosasComoSean]

IF ONLY it was actually a plugin... 😂😂😂😂

[@yeezythabest]

That's what i don't understand. Theyr'e alienating so may customers

[@LasCosasComoSean]

@@yeezythabest I just tried the app. Pretty disappointed with the results. Sonible make great plugins (I use many of them EVERYDAY), but this thing is garbage IMHO

[@jspacone]

The AI might be smarter, but we’re the ones with the ears and taste.

[@yanizle]

Does anyone else hearing some Fiona Apple vibes w her voice?

[@thetransposedheads]

This does not look like AI at all. What I see here is typical compression behavior when using the dynamics knob. If this "AI" cannot operate in a manner similar to how Raddix Drumleveler handles drums, then it’s a waste of money. What I expect from an AI is the ability to analyze the signal, reduce peak levels, boost quiet parts, and bring down overly loud sections. Looking at the graph, the movement appears completely random. Peaks remain unaddressed, and even some balanced parts have been compressed without any apparent logic. It performs poorly, much like almost every Sonnible plugin.

[@cubexBeats]

Sad Ableton-User here, who cant get the ARA advantage :( 😂

[@Airic]

ARA plugins like Vocalign etc. are useable on Ableton...

[@cubexBeats]

@@Airic they are, but ARA is still not integrated, so you don have the benefit of ARA-Technology.

[@cubexBeats]

@@Airic for example: If I use melodyne / vocalign and I change the timing of an already scanned performance, it doesn't notice this change in melodyne / vocalign :)

[@Airic]

@@cubexBeats ah ok gotcha, didnt know that

[@cubexBeats]

@@Airic your welcome. That's also a reason why im thinking to buy reaper (it's so cheap). Producing in Ableton and Mixing, Mastering and Vocal editing in Reaper. :)

[@guitarz99]

The future is A. I

[@roberteismann1929]

It is dreadfully slow as ARA and no AAX? Get outa here. Also super CPU hungry.

[@tombuur]

I have most of the Sonible plugins. Never use them. I dont like sound their socalled AI produces.

[@JohnnieButtersonline]

ai requires GPU power which these macs lack lol

[@drucartier2164]

Not my mac

[@rt5u]

Smart Deez Nutz

[@Mohim_Mohim]

Sonable Prime Vocal Useless... Not Support Many DAW Plugin and Standalone App is Very Slow and Not Perfectly Work.... Useless

[@beehype46and2]

Comment for da algorithm Streak count: 293

[@Mossbotmusic]

WHETHER IM IN A WOMANNN, WAAANT IT OR YA GOOOT IT !

[@sooxvi]

serpent oil

[@hellofx]

bs

[@Maitch3000]

I am a bit disappointed by this video. You should have gotten some terrible vocals to try out. We don't need singing. You could just have recorded some dialogue in a toilet or something.

[@balisaani]

This video is meant for intelligent people who don't need dumbed down illustrations and everything pre-chewed for them. I've got the gist of it - a quick overview - and whatever questions I may have, I'll find out and answer myself with the demo.

[@Maitch3000]

@balisaani I don't consider it to be intelligent to spend time on it with ideal settings